Zone1 Do you trust radiocarbon dating?

[onefour1]

Then maybe you should follow these people in other but similar threads where they routinely argue it is.

Here are my thoughts from the thread, "How Old is the Earth in your opinion":

All we know from scripture is that "in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth". The earth already existed prior to the seven days of creation spoken of in Genesis, Moses, Abraham, etc. So there is no indication of time in scripture of when the earth was created other than in the beginning.

Genesis 1:1-2
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Moses 2:1-2
1 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto Moses, saying: Behold, I reveal unto you concerning this heaven, and this earth; write the words which I speak. I am the Beginning and the End, the Almighty God; by mine Only Begotten I created these things; yea, in the beginning I created the heaven, and the earth upon which thou standest.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and I caused darkness to come up upon the face of the deep; and my Spirit moved upon the face of the water; for I am God.

Abraham 4:1-2
1 And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth.
2 And the earth, after it was formed, was empty and desolate, because they had not formed anything but the earth; and darkness reigned upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of the Gods was brooding upon the face of the waters.

There is however, scriptural evidence that the seven days of creation are 1000 years each. The earth already existed prior to the seven days of creation so this does not include the creation of the earth.

In the Bible we read:

2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

God told Adam that in the day that he eats of the forbidden fruit that he would surely die. According to our time of reckoning, Adam lived to be 930 years old (see Genesis 5:5). If one day to the Lord was 1000 years of our time, then Adam would have died in the very day of the Lord that he partook of the fruit.



Abraham 3:4
4 And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.

Abraham 5:12-13
12 And the Gods commanded the man, saying: Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat,
13 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the time that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die. Now I, Abraham, saw that it was after the Lord’s time, which was after the time of Kolob; for as yet the Gods had not appointed unto Adam his reckoning.

According to these verses, Adam had not been given his time of reckoning all the way up to the time he was placed into the Garden of Eden. Abraham verifies that it was after the time of Kolob which was after the Lord's time which was a thousand of our years being equivalent to 1 day according to the Lord's time. From all this scriptural evidence, the seven days of creation (which did not include the creation of the earth) was seven thousand years of our time.

I've never stated that the earth is 6000 years old. Since the fall of Adam I believe there has been approximately 6000 years, but I believe the 7 days of creation were 1000 years each for a total of 7000 years. That would take us back at least 13000 years. But the earth itself was created before light was introduced onto the earth and 7000 years of the creation days were reckoned after light was introduced onto the earth. So all we know of the earth creation was that it was in the beginning before light was even introduced onto the earth and the 7 days of creation had started. Read Genesis 1 for a confirmation of this belief.

 

[fncceo]

Do you trust radiocarbon dating?​

Not since I got totally catfished on Radio Carbon Dating Site.

 

[toobfreak]

I've never stated that the earth is 6000 years old. Since the fall of Adam I believe there has been approximately 6000 years, but I believe the 7 days of creation were 1000 years each for a total of 7000 years. That would take us back at least 13000 years. But the earth itself was created before light was introduced onto the earth and 7000 years of the creation days were reckoned after light was introduced onto the earth. So all we know of the earth creation was that it was in the beginning before light was even introduced onto the earth and the 7 days of creation had started.

Well, God created the heaven and Earth in 6 days, the 7th he rested, thus the 6,000 years. And it has been suggested that the Earth was created first or at the beginning, so, it all sounds like 6,000 or 7,000 years. But let's add on another 6,000 years serially as you say, that still barely gets us back to the time of the last ice age when man was crossing the Siberian land bridge over into Alaska to begin the population of the Americas.

Meanwhile, I can take you to basalts along the New Brunswick or Labrador coast where the rock still measures around 3.5 billion years old, and the iridium laid down in the extinction of the dinosaurs along the P-K boundary measures about 66 million years down in the stratigrafic record.

Science has come at this issue from 114 different directions and they all agree and NONE of them agree with the Bible.

 

[Quantrill]

Wow, dude, I did not even say that. I was speaking of man's historical thinking, not the Bible's creation. No wonder arguing with you is like in a vacuum.

The Bible is clearly wrong yet stuck in this conundrum now of not agreeing with scientific fact, whereas any variables in RC dating is of hot interest and being hotly researched and if any dating need to be significantly updated now due to continually improving methods, we will be the first to know.

But there is absolutely no test nor measurement ever done anywhere that suggests that all archeological dating is totally way wrong and that of all fossils ever discovered, none of them date back farther than 6,000 years.

Oh yes, you said that. You said that is pure medieval, 16th century bull shit. Post #(49) Which caused me to inform you that the Bible goes much farther back then that.

You don't know that the Bible is wrong. You assume the Bible is wrong. You 'believe' the Bible is wrong. Why? Because your faith is in 'science' not the 'Word of God'.

You trust your carbon dating, though I have told you that is based on the assumption that things are now as they have always been. Which you of course mocked. But I showed you in the Bible where things have not always been as they are now which removes the accuracy of your carbon dating.

But of course you don't believe it. So, I ask you...is the universe, as it is now, eternal? Has the universe always existed, without any beginning? In other words, there has never been 'nothing'. Only 'something' for eternity. No beginning, as it has always existed. Eternal. Does your science believe that?

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[Quantrill]

Well, God created the heaven and Earth in 6 days, the 7th he rested, thus the 6,000 years. And it has been suggested that the Earth was created first or at the beginning, so, it all sounds like 6,000 or 7,000 years. But let's add on another 6,000 years serially as you say, that still barely gets us back to the time of the last ice age when man was crossing the Siberian land bridge over into Alaska to begin the population of the Americas.

Meanwhile, I can take you to basalts along the New Brunswick or Labrador coast where the rock still measures around 3.5 billion years old, and the iridium laid down in the extinction of the dinosaurs along the P-K boundary measures about 66 million years down in the stratigrafic record.

Science has come at this issue from 114 different directions and they all agree and NONE of them agree with the Bible.

Horseshit.

(Gen. 1:1) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Nothing there about 6 or 7 thousand years.

Your dating is full of shit as I have showed. A billion here, a billion there...whatever it takes to agree with science and disagree with God.

Oh gee, all scientists agree that they are right. What a revelation that is. As I said, concerning origins, science finds and believes what it wants to.

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[toobfreak]

Oh yes, you said that. You said that is pure medieval, 16th century bull shit.

I was referring to the 16th century when the church was burning people alive for doubting the church's claim Earth was the center of everything. Other than that, you offer nothing but the usual blather over and over. The Torah's suggestion that the universe was all created in 6 days is preposterous. Basically, your whole argument is that you'll believe the Bible no matter what is shown or proven.

 

[Quantrill]

I was referring to the 16th century when the church was burning people alive for doubting the church's claim Earth was the center of everything. Other than that, you offer nothing but the usual blather over and over. The Torah's suggestion that the universe was all created in 6 days is preposterous. Basically, your whole argument is that you'll believe the Bible no matter what is shown or proven.

The 'restoration' of the earth took only 6 days. We are not told how long it took God to create the whole universe. Could have been only one day. He is God.

Please answer my questions in post #(64).

You trust your carbon dating, though I have told you that is based on the assumption that things are now as they have always been. Which you of course mocked. But I showed you in the Bible where things have not always been as they are now which removes the accuracy of your carbon dating.

But of course you don't believe it. So, I ask you...is the universe, as it is now, eternal? Has the universe always existed, without any beginning? In other words, there has never been 'nothing'. Only 'something' for eternity. No beginning, as it has always existed. Eternal. Does your science believe that?

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[toobfreak]

The 'restoration' of the earth took only 6 days.

Whatever that means. The Bible says God created the Heaven and the Earth on the first day.

We are not told how long it took God to create the whole universe. Could have been only one day. He is God.

The Bibles says it created the Heaven and the Earth on the first day. Heaven is everything "out there" above the Earth not OF the Earth. So the Bible says God created everything on the first day.

Then the Bible says it created the Sun and Moon and the stars, all part of and in heaven on the forth day, so right away, it contradicts itself through vagarity.

Finally, it says God created vegetation and land animals first then life in the ocean, when life occurred in the opposite order.

 

[Quantrill]

Whatever that means. The Bible says God created the Heaven and the Earth on the first day.


The Bibles says it created the Heaven and the Earth on the first day. Heaven is everything "out there" above the Earth not OF the Earth. So the Bible says God created everything on the first day.

Then the Bible says it created the Sun and Moon and the stars, all part of and in heaven on the forth day, so right away, it contradicts itself through vagarity.

Finally, it says God created vegetation and land animals first then life in the ocean, when life occurred in the opposite order.

It means what it says. The restoration of the earth took 6 days. No, (Gen. 1:1) says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." That is the original creation. We don't know the time it took God to create the heaven and earth. We only know it was in the beginning. As I said, it may have just been immediately, by His spoken Word. He is God.

In (Gen. 1:2) the earth had become a chaotic condition submerged in the waters of judgement. On the first day of restoration, God brought back the light. No contradiction with light on the first day. That light was the light of God. He removed His light due to the rebellion of the angels. On the fourth day He created the substitute lights of the Sun, Moon, and Stars. (Gen. 1:3-6) And so on, and so on, for the next few days of restoration.

Why don't you answer my questions in post #(64).

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[toobfreak]

The restoration of the earth took 6 days.

Restoration of what?

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. That is the original creation.

So there was more than one creation.

We don't know the time it took God to create the heaven and earth. In (Gen. 1:2) the earth had become a chaotic condition submerged in the waters of judgement.

It no longer says anything like that in the New International Version. Whose word is that then, the Publisher's?

On the first day of restoration, God brought back the light. No contradiction with light on the first day. That light was the light of God. He removed His light due to the rebellion of the angels.

Bible doesn't say that. All the Bible says is that God created light and the light was good. That the Light separated the day from night and thus created light and darkness upon the Earth. Well, the only light on the Earth is the Sun.

On the fourth day He created the substitute lights of the Sun, Moon, and Stars.

The Bible says nothing about any substitutions. I have 6 Bibles including one over 100 years old and none say that. The Moon is only a lesser light to rule the night by reflecting sunlight back on us, and unless you go to the Atacama Desert or some such place, starlight is too feeble to even be seen nor cast any shadow.

While science is constantly checking itself and self-correcting--- as soon as any mistakes or errors are found, they attempt to correct or adjust for them, who is correcting all of these mistakes from Moses or whomever really concocted up Genesis?

 

[Quantrill]

Restoration of what?


So there was more than one creation.


It no longer says anything like that in the New International Version. Whose word is that then, the Publisher's?


Bible doesn't say that. All the Bible says is that God created light and the light was good. That the Light separated the day from night and thus created light and darkness upon the Earth. Well, the only light on the Earth is the Sun.


The Bible says nothing about any substitutions. I have 6 Bibles including one over 100 years old and none say that. The Moon is only a lesser light to rule the night by reflecting sunlight back on us, and unless you go to the Atacama Desert or some such place, starlight is too feeble to even be seen nor cast any shadow.

While science is constantly checking itself and self-correcting--- as soon as any mistakes or errors are found, they attempt to correct or adjust for them, who is correcting all of these mistakes from Moses or whomever really concocted up Genesis?

I already told you. Please pay attention.

No, the 'original' creation. And the 'restoration'. It's not that difficult. Please pay attention.

Really, then tell me what the 'international version' says. Then tell me if you believe it.

No, (Gen. 1:3) says, "And God said, Let there be light, and there was light." (Gen. 1:3) says nothing about the 'creation' of light. Again, please pay attention. No, God is light. And before the rebellion of Satan, His was the only light. The Sun, and Moon and Stars are a substitute light because God removes His light. Just like in the end, the substitute lights will be removed. (Rev. 21:23) "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light of it."

Big shit. You have 6 Bibles. And you don't believe any of them. Your purpose is to discredit the Bible. Yet you have shown you don't know shit from shinola.

There are no mistakes or errors in (Genesis). Science is full of shit.

Now, why do you run from my questions in post #(64)? Scared? You talk big, but when it comes time to ante up, you run and hide. Typical theist.

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[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You mean 'years of careful study' based on the assumption that everything is always as it has been.

The earth and universe were not in the same condition when originally created. The rebellion of Satan changed everything. The earth itself submerged in water and the light removed. (Gen. 1:2) The Garden in Eden was totally different before Satan's fall. (Ezekiel 28:13-15) One where precious stones dominated its character instead of vegetation.

Before the flood, the earth was basically a terrarium, enclosed by the 'firmament above' which protected the earth from the direct rays of the sun. (Gen. 1:7) When that was removed at the 'Flood of Noah' the atmosphere of the earth changed drastically. Whereas people lived up to a thousand years before, now would be reduced to around 70. (Gen. 7:11) (Gen. 4:6-32)

Thus you see the terrible assumption made that carbon dating is credible in dating 'millions of years'. Things have not always been the same.

Quantrill

The laws of physics are pretty consistent, don't you think?

 

[Quantrill]

The laws of physics are pretty consistent, don't you think?

Read again post #(31) that you laugh it.

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[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Read again post #(31) that you laugh it.

Quantrill

I don't read propaganda.

 

[Quantrill]

I don't read propaganda.

What, no cartoons from the childish section?

Yet you expect me to respond to bullshit. Typical atheist.

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[pknopp]

The earth is clearly millions and likely billions of years old.

Do I trust scientific dating is always correct? No.

 

[Leo123]

Radiocarbon dating does not work for rocks.

 

[toobfreak]

I already told you. Please pay attention.

Wrong.

No, the 'original' creation. And the 'restoration'. It's not that difficult. Please pay attention.

Wrong.

No, God is light. And before the rebellion of Satan, His was the only light. The Sun, and Moon and Stars are a substitute light because God removes His light.

Rationalization. Light is light. The Bible says God created light on the forth day, then created the Sun and stars as separate events.

Big shit. You have 6 Bibles. And you don't believe any of them.

I knew them before you did and better, just that I need more answers out of life than the Bible provides. Even you cannot give a straight rational answer.

Your purpose is to discredit the Bible.

Nope. You discredit it with your circuitous replies. I am merely asking the questions that any thinking, educated person should ask in the 21st century of some claims made in the story of "creation."

Yet you have shown you don't know shit from shinola.

Attack the messenger because you cannot attack the message, eh?

There are no mistakes or errors in (Genesis). Science is full of shit.

If that is the best you have, then you have no credibility.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What, no cartoons from the childish section?

Yet you expect me to respond to bullshit. Typical atheist.

Quantrill

Not an atheist by any stretch of the imagination but yours seems to have run away with you.

 

[Quantrill]

Wrong.


Wrong.


Rationalization. Light is light. The Bible says God created light on the forth day, then created the Sun and stars as separate events.


I knew them before you did and better, just that I need more answers out of life than the Bible provides. Even you cannot give a straight rational answer.


Nope. You discredit it with your circuitous replies. I am merely asking the questions that any thinking, educated person should ask in the 21st century of some claims made in the story of "creation."


Attack the messenger because you cannot attack the message, eh?


If that is the best you have, then you have no credibility.

No, the Bible says concerning the fourth day, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven". (Gen. 1:3) On the first day God said, "Let there be light: and there was light." (Gen. 1:1) Why did you ignore (Rev. 21:23)? You see? No amount of Bibles do an atheist any good when you don't believe any of them. What bullshit you spread.

I have answered your questions. The Bible answers your questions. You just reject them.

When the messenger is full of shit, I point it out. When the messenger is a coward and can't /won't answer my questions, I point that out. So why don't you answer my questions in post #(64)? Scared?

And I asked you in post #(71) to tell me what your international version says, and do you believe it? And you sull up like a possum. Scared?

Typical scientist atheist bullshit.

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