Do You Support The "Gun Show Loophole?"

[Dubya]

It's only illegal to knowingly sell to someone who shouldn't have a gun. That's why these occasional sellers at gun shows advertise: No paperwork, no ID required, no waiting period, no background check, and no questions asked.

of all the gun shows I have been too I have never seen anyone with those kind of signs.

If there are people with those signs they are probably cops trying to trap people.

It takes more than making shit up to cover up the abuse. That UC Davis study went to many gun shows and reported on the ATF who weren't much involved with gun shows.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Exactly how do you close something that doesn't exist. There is no such thing as a gun show loop hole. Dealers at gun shows MUST perform the same exact background checks at a gun show as they do at their shops. Some private sales between individuals are not covered by the same laws as sales by licensed dealers, but that has absolutely nothing to do with gun shows, that applies to sales between individuals anywhere at any time so it's not any gun show "loophole", it's state laws.

In other words, children like to play games claiming something doesn't exist, if they ignore the obvious description of something that does exist.

One third of the guns sold at a gun show are from people called occasional sellers who are not licensed gun dealers running background checks. Signs at gun shows advertise no background checks, no forms, no waiting periods and no ID required. The NRA gun nutters want that to continue and 92% of Americans don't. Those Americans want universal background checks, which means background checks on private purchases or anyone calling themselves an occasional seller at a gun show. Your numbers are bs.

Seventeen states regulate at least some sales by private parties.

More than 85% of recovered crime guns have gone through at least one private party transaction following their initial sale by a licensed retailer.

Perhaps two-thirds of sales at gun shows are made by licensed retailers.

Current evidence suggests that gun shows account for 4% to 9% of all gun sales.

The best available data on gun shows as a source of crime guns come from investigations of illegal gun trafficking by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Of 1,530 such investigations during the late 1990s, 212 (13.9%) involved gun shows and flea markets. These cases accounted for 25,862 guns—30.7% of all the guns in the study.

Results of trafficking investigations suggest that two thirds of crime guns obtained at gun shows are sold by licensed retailers. Among gun dealers, those who sell at gun shows are more likely to have crime guns traced to them than are those who do not.

Gun shows are studded with “Private Sale” signs that convey to all this message: No paperwork, no background check, no waiting period, no recordkeeping.

Neo-Confederacy groups rent table space and recruit new members. Ku Klux Klan merchandise was observed several times. New Nazi materials (as distinct from memorabilia) are very common; one regular seller at shows in Arizona is a nationally-recognized promoter of neo-Nazism. The Turner Diaries is everywhere, and Mein Kampf can be found next to More Guns, Less Crime.

In 2008, 83% of self-reported gun owners and 87% of the general public supported a requirement that all gun sales, not just those at gun shows, be subject to background checks.

Source: http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/vprp/pdf/IGS/IGScoverprefweb.pdf

Now 92% of the American people in a recent poll want universal background checks and the increase is because of the recent public awareness about gun violence. You see it doesn't make a difference what you want to call something at a gun show and what you want doesn't make a difference to the American people. You've had your chance to go on the internet and claim things like Sandy Hook didn't involve an assault weapon, but what you don't realize is that song only sounds good to you Ted Nugent, NRA gun nutter types, who don't need convincing. People like you and Ted are just going to have to put up or shut up, because the people of America don't give a shit about your threats and again, they don't give a shit what you want.

Lol. Not ONE number or percentage you listed is accurate or truthful. Take your leftist/communist propoganda and place it in your vertical file right beside your head.

If 92% of the American people wanted to murder all the black people in the US, he'd support that as well - it is, after all, what the people want.

 

[Dubya]

Exactly how do you close something that doesn't exist. There is no such thing as a gun show loop hole. Dealers at gun shows MUST perform the same exact background checks at a gun show as they do at their shops. Some private sales between individuals are not covered by the same laws as sales by licensed dealers, but that has absolutely nothing to do with gun shows, that applies to sales between individuals anywhere at any time so it's not any gun show "loophole", it's state laws.

In other words, children like to play games claiming something doesn't exist, if they ignore the obvious description of something that does exist.

One third of the guns sold at a gun show are from people called occasional sellers who are not licensed gun dealers running background checks. Signs at gun shows advertise no background checks, no forms, no waiting periods and no ID required. The NRA gun nutters want that to continue and 92% of Americans don't. Those Americans want universal background checks, which means background checks on private purchases or anyone calling themselves an occasional seller at a gun show. Your numbers are bs.

Seventeen states regulate at least some sales by private parties.

More than 85% of recovered crime guns have gone through at least one private party transaction following their initial sale by a licensed retailer.

Perhaps two-thirds of sales at gun shows are made by licensed retailers.

Current evidence suggests that gun shows account for 4% to 9% of all gun sales.

The best available data on gun shows as a source of crime guns come from investigations of illegal gun trafficking by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Of 1,530 such investigations during the late 1990s, 212 (13.9%) involved gun shows and flea markets. These cases accounted for 25,862 guns—30.7% of all the guns in the study.

Results of trafficking investigations suggest that two thirds of crime guns obtained at gun shows are sold by licensed retailers. Among gun dealers, those who sell at gun shows are more likely to have crime guns traced to them than are those who do not.

Gun shows are studded with “Private Sale” signs that convey to all this message: No paperwork, no background check, no waiting period, no recordkeeping.

Neo-Confederacy groups rent table space and recruit new members. Ku Klux Klan merchandise was observed several times. New Nazi materials (as distinct from memorabilia) are very common; one regular seller at shows in Arizona is a nationally-recognized promoter of neo-Nazism. The Turner Diaries is everywhere, and Mein Kampf can be found next to More Guns, Less Crime.

In 2008, 83% of self-reported gun owners and 87% of the general public supported a requirement that all gun sales, not just those at gun shows, be subject to background checks.

Source: http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/vprp/pdf/IGS/IGScoverprefweb.pdf

Now 92% of the American people in a recent poll want universal background checks and the increase is because of the recent public awareness about gun violence. You see it doesn't make a difference what you want to call something at a gun show and what you want doesn't make a difference to the American people. You've had your chance to go on the internet and claim things like Sandy Hook didn't involve an assault weapon, but what you don't realize is that song only sounds good to you Ted Nugent, NRA gun nutter types, who don't need convincing. People like you and Ted are just going to have to put up or shut up, because the people of America don't give a shit about your threats and again, they don't give a shit what you want.

Lol. Not ONE number or percentage you listed is accurate or truthful. Take your leftist/communist propoganda and place it in your vertical file right beside your head.

To you the figures can't be accurate, because the world is suppose to be the way you want to say it is, but to the people who went to the gun shows and used the official stats, that's the numbers they came up with to reflect reality.

Your NRA gun nutter, Ted Nugent pant's shitting, moronic position is doomed by it's success of making America an open market for guns. Since gun and ammo sales have increased then the chances of another Aurora or Sandy Hook have also increased. I would say your chances of getting to the next mid-term election without another disaster are null. What's to stop it, you heros aren't out there preventing all that crime whether highly armed or not?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

of all the gun shows I have been too I have never seen anyone with those kind of signs.

If there are people with those signs they are probably cops trying to trap people.

It takes more than making shit up to cover up the abuse. That UC Davis study went to many gun shows and reported on the ATF who weren't much involved with gun shows.

Words of a admitted fraud.^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Quantum Windbag]

of all the gun shows I have been too I have never seen anyone with those kind of signs.

If there are people with those signs they are probably cops trying to trap people.

It takes more than making shit up to cover up the abuse. That UC Davis study went to many gun shows and reported on the ATF who weren't much involved with gun shows.

The same study that you dismissed because it pointed out that only 2% of people who are incarcerated for gun violence used guns that went through a gun show at some point in the past?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

In other words, children like to play games claiming something doesn't exist, if they ignore the obvious description of something that does exist.

One third of the guns sold at a gun show are from people called occasional sellers who are not licensed gun dealers running background checks. Signs at gun shows advertise no background checks, no forms, no waiting periods and no ID required. The NRA gun nutters want that to continue and 92% of Americans don't. Those Americans want universal background checks, which means background checks on private purchases or anyone calling themselves an occasional seller at a gun show. Your numbers are bs.

Source: http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/vprp/pdf/IGS/IGScoverprefweb.pdf

Now 92% of the American people in a recent poll want universal background checks and the increase is because of the recent public awareness about gun violence. You see it doesn't make a difference what you want to call something at a gun show and what you want doesn't make a difference to the American people. You've had your chance to go on the internet and claim things like Sandy Hook didn't involve an assault weapon, but what you don't realize is that song only sounds good to you Ted Nugent, NRA gun nutter types, who don't need convincing. People like you and Ted are just going to have to put up or shut up, because the people of America don't give a shit about your threats and again, they don't give a shit what you want.

Lol. Not ONE number or percentage you listed is accurate or truthful. Take your leftist/communist propoganda and place it in your vertical file right beside your head.

To you the figures can't be accurate, because the world is suppose to be the way you want to say it is, but to the people who went to the gun shows and used the official stats, that's the numbers they came up with to reflect reality.

Your NRA gun nutter, Ted Nugent pant's shitting, moronic position is doomed by it's success of making America an open market for guns. Since gun and ammo sales have increased then the chances of another Aurora or Sandy Hook have also increased. I would say your chances of getting to the next mid-term election without another disaster are null. What's to stop it, you heros aren't out there preventing all that crime whether highly armed or not?

Did you ever get back to me about the gun violence increase in England after they imposed universal gun registration?

Didn't think so.

 

[Dubya]

Lol. Not ONE number or percentage you listed is accurate or truthful. Take your leftist/communist propoganda and place it in your vertical file right beside your head.

To you the figures can't be accurate, because the world is suppose to be the way you want to say it is, but to the people who went to the gun shows and used the official stats, that's the numbers they came up with to reflect reality.

Your NRA gun nutter, Ted Nugent pant's shitting, moronic position is doomed by it's success of making America an open market for guns. Since gun and ammo sales have increased then the chances of another Aurora or Sandy Hook have also increased. I would say your chances of getting to the next mid-term election without another disaster are null. What's to stop it, you heros aren't out there preventing all that crime whether highly armed or not?

Did you ever get back to me about the gun violence increase in England after they imposed universal gun registration?

Didn't think so.

Yes, I pointed out what is called a violation of the gun law isn't violence. There were only around 35 homicides by gun, so there couldn't be the amount of gun violence you claimed. Why don't you do some research on what you post and stop hiding behind generalities and confusion to deceive?

You don't ever have to say didn't think so, because we know you don't think.

 

[Dubya]

If there are people with those signs they are probably cops trying to trap people.

It takes more than making shit up to cover up the abuse. That UC Davis study went to many gun shows and reported on the ATF who weren't much involved with gun shows.

The same study that you dismissed because it pointed out that only 2% of people who are incarcerated for gun violence used guns that went through a gun show at some point in the past?

Your problem Windbag is you are inherently dishonest, which is a nice way of calling you a pathological liar.

The UC Davis study says:

But less than 2% of felons incarcerated for crimes involving guns acquired those guns themselves at gun shows.

Source: http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/vprp/pdf/IGS/IGScoverprefweb.pdf

....and you change it to:

Quote: Originally Posted by Quantum Windbag
....it pointed out that only 2% of people who are incarcerated for gun violence used guns that went through a gun show at some point in the past?

....so you change:

....less than 2% of felons incarcerated for crimes to 2% of people who are incarcerated for gun violence

....and:

....acquired those guns themselves at gun shows to used guns that went through a gun show at some point in the past

Now, why do you make those types of changes and why were you so stupid that you thought you could get away with it?

Did you notice I just quote the words of the study and allow others to read them? I don't change it and you do.

 

[The Rabbi]

So you're saying that most guns used by felons were not acquired at gun shows. So why are we worrying about this to begin with??

 

[Dubya]

So you're saying that most guns used by felons were not acquired at gun shows. So why are we worrying about this to begin with??

Do you have reading problems too?

The study talked about incarcerated felons for crimes involving guns personally obtaining the guns at gun shows. The study also mentioned gun shows amount to from 5% to 9% of gun sales. The data only says what it says. It could mean the felon told the authorities where he purchased the gun, or there were records because he could pass a background check, among other possible scenarios of how cops could trace it there.

It doesn't say a person couldn't pass a background check, buy a gun at a gun show even from a licensed dealer and later be incarcerated as a felon for a crime involving guns. A person acquiring a gun at a gun show either personally or otherwise could acquire it from an occasional seller and never leave a record. For that matter, someone could say they purchased a gun at a gun show from an occasional seller when they actually didn't.

The number is sort of meaningless, because it could easily reflect that they only know a small percentage of how someone who is now serving a sentence as a convicted felon for a crime involving guns obtained their gun or guns. What if they only know the source of the guns in 35% of such cases, does that mean gun shows aren't good places to obtain a gun and commit a felony with it and living up to their percentage of the market or more?

You have to analyze a report for what it's saying and get beyond the figures saying more than they say.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So you're saying that most guns used by felons were not acquired at gun shows. So why are we worrying about this to begin with??

Do you have reading problems too?

The study talked about incarcerated felons for crimes involving guns personally obtaining the guns at gun shows. The study also mentioned gun shows amount to from 5% to 9% of gun sales. The data only says what it says. It could mean the felon told the authorities where he purchased the gun, or there were records because he could pass a background check, among other possible scenarios of how cops could trace it there.

It doesn't say a person couldn't pass a background check, buy a gun at a gun show even from a licensed dealer and later be incarcerated as a felon for a crime involving guns. A person acquiring a gun at a gun show either personally or otherwise could acquire it from an occasional seller and never leave a record. For that matter, someone could say they purchased a gun at a gun show from an occasional seller when they actually didn't.

The number is sort of meaningless, because it could easily reflect that they only know a small percentage of how someone who is now serving a sentence as a convicted felon for a crime involving guns obtained their gun or guns. What if they only know the source of the guns in 35% of such cases, does that mean gun shows aren't good places to obtain a gun and commit a felony with it and living up to their percentage of the market or more?

You have to analyze a report for what it's saying and get beyond the figures saying more than they say.

lying sack of shit.

• 0.7% of criminals purchased a gun at a gun show

Read more: Where criminals get their guns | The Daily Caller

 

[Quantum Windbag]

To you the figures can't be accurate, because the world is suppose to be the way you want to say it is, but to the people who went to the gun shows and used the official stats, that's the numbers they came up with to reflect reality.

Your NRA gun nutter, Ted Nugent pant's shitting, moronic position is doomed by it's success of making America an open market for guns. Since gun and ammo sales have increased then the chances of another Aurora or Sandy Hook have also increased. I would say your chances of getting to the next mid-term election without another disaster are null. What's to stop it, you heros aren't out there preventing all that crime whether highly armed or not?

Did you ever get back to me about the gun violence increase in England after they imposed universal gun registration?

Didn't think so.

Yes, I pointed out what is called a violation of the gun law isn't violence. There were only around 35 homicides by gun, so there couldn't be the amount of gun violence you claimed. Why don't you do some research on what you post and stop hiding behind generalities and confusion to deceive?

You don't ever have to say didn't think so, because we know you don't think.

You declared that the numbers you didn't look at were wrong, and then made up different numbers about something else to prove you are right? Do you really think that is going to work?

Tell me something, how is someone using a gun to commit a robbery not gun violence? Does it only count if someone dies?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It takes more than making shit up to cover up the abuse. That UC Davis study went to many gun shows and reported on the ATF who weren't much involved with gun shows.

The same study that you dismissed because it pointed out that only 2% of people who are incarcerated for gun violence used guns that went through a gun show at some point in the past?

Your problem Windbag is you are inherently dishonest, which is a nice way of calling you a pathological liar.

The UC Davis study says:

But less than 2% of felons incarcerated for crimes involving guns acquired those guns themselves at gun shows.

Source: http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/vprp/pdf/IGS/IGScoverprefweb.pdf

....and you change it to:

Quote: Originally Posted by Quantum Windbag
....it pointed out that only 2% of people who are incarcerated for gun violence used guns that went through a gun show at some point in the past?

....so you change:

....less than 2% of felons incarcerated for crimes to 2% of people who are incarcerated for gun violence

....and:

....acquired those guns themselves at gun shows to used guns that went through a gun show at some point in the past

Now, why do you make those types of changes and why were you so stupid that you thought you could get away with it?

Did you notice I just quote the words of the study and allow others to read them? I don't change it and you do.

Let me see if you can handle something you have never done yourself.

I fucked up by relying on memory instead of going back and reading the study again.

None the less, you are still wrong when you claim that criminals buy guns at gun shows.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So you're saying that most guns used by felons were not acquired at gun shows. So why are we worrying about this to begin with??

Do you have reading problems too?

The study talked about incarcerated felons for crimes involving guns personally obtaining the guns at gun shows. The study also mentioned gun shows amount to from 5% to 9% of gun sales. The data only says what it says. It could mean the felon told the authorities where he purchased the gun, or there were records because he could pass a background check, among other possible scenarios of how cops could trace it there.

It doesn't say a person couldn't pass a background check, buy a gun at a gun show even from a licensed dealer and later be incarcerated as a felon for a crime involving guns. A person acquiring a gun at a gun show either personally or otherwise could acquire it from an occasional seller and never leave a record. For that matter, someone could say they purchased a gun at a gun show from an occasional seller when they actually didn't.

The number is sort of meaningless, because it could easily reflect that they only know a small percentage of how someone who is now serving a sentence as a convicted felon for a crime involving guns obtained their gun or guns. What if they only know the source of the guns in 35% of such cases, does that mean gun shows aren't good places to obtain a gun and commit a felony with it and living up to their percentage of the market or more?

You have to analyze a report for what it's saying and get beyond the figures saying more than they say.

Yet you dismissed the study earlier when I used it to destroy your position that 40% of gun sales occur without background checks.

Interesting.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So you're saying that most guns used by felons were not acquired at gun shows. So why are we worrying about this to begin with??

Do you have reading problems too?

The study talked about incarcerated felons for crimes involving guns personally obtaining the guns at gun shows. The study also mentioned gun shows amount to from 5% to 9% of gun sales. The data only says what it says. It could mean the felon told the authorities where he purchased the gun, or there were records because he could pass a background check, among other possible scenarios of how cops could trace it there.

It doesn't say a person couldn't pass a background check, buy a gun at a gun show even from a licensed dealer and later be incarcerated as a felon for a crime involving guns. A person acquiring a gun at a gun show either personally or otherwise could acquire it from an occasional seller and never leave a record. For that matter, someone could say they purchased a gun at a gun show from an occasional seller when they actually didn't.

The number is sort of meaningless, because it could easily reflect that they only know a small percentage of how someone who is now serving a sentence as a convicted felon for a crime involving guns obtained their gun or guns. What if they only know the source of the guns in 35% of such cases, does that mean gun shows aren't good places to obtain a gun and commit a felony with it and living up to their percentage of the market or more?

You have to analyze a report for what it's saying and get beyond the figures saying more than they say.

lying sack of shit.

• 0.7% of criminals purchased a gun at a gun show

Read more: Where criminals get their guns | The Daily Caller

I am willing to bet that over 90% of the people who end up breaking the law after buying a gun at a gun show passed a background check when they bought those guns.

 

[Dubya]

Did you ever get back to me about the gun violence increase in England after they imposed universal gun registration?

Didn't think so.

Yes, I pointed out what is called a violation of the gun law isn't violence. There were only around 35 homicides by gun, so there couldn't be the amount of gun violence you claimed. Why don't you do some research on what you post and stop hiding behind generalities and confusion to deceive?

You don't ever have to say didn't think so, because we know you don't think.

You declared that the numbers you didn't look at were wrong, and then made up different numbers about something else to prove you are right? Do you really think that is going to work?

Tell me something, how is someone using a gun to commit a robbery not gun violence? Does it only count if someone dies?

They had around 35 homicides by gun and we had over 11,000 that year. You made your typical lying claims and it's obvious there weren't 11,000 violent incidences involving guns in the UK.

Post a report from the UK with definitions and don't say you did!

What difference does your bullshit make? You've already lost and the more you go on making these wild claims, the more you will lose.

 

[Dubya]

The same study that you dismissed because it pointed out that only 2% of people who are incarcerated for gun violence used guns that went through a gun show at some point in the past?

Your problem Windbag is you are inherently dishonest, which is a nice way of calling you a pathological liar.

The UC Davis study says:

Source: http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/vprp/pdf/IGS/IGScoverprefweb.pdf

....and you change it to:

Quote: Originally Posted by Quantum Windbag
....it pointed out that only 2% of people who are incarcerated for gun violence used guns that went through a gun show at some point in the past?

....so you change:

....less than 2% of felons incarcerated for crimes to 2% of people who are incarcerated for gun violence

....and:

....acquired those guns themselves at gun shows to used guns that went through a gun show at some point in the past

Now, why do you make those types of changes and why were you so stupid that you thought you could get away with it?

Did you notice I just quote the words of the study and allow others to read them? I don't change it and you do.

Let me see if you can handle something you have never done yourself.

I fucked up by relying on memory instead of going back and reading the study again.

None the less, you are still wrong when you claim that criminals buy guns at gun shows.

What is to prevent a criminal, even a felon, from buying a gun at a gun show, when one third of the sales are private sales by occasional sellers and don't require paperwork, ID, background checks, waiting periods or even a conversation? You can't spot a felon by looking at them. Are all felons just too dumb to go there?

 

[Dubya]

So you're saying that most guns used by felons were not acquired at gun shows. So why are we worrying about this to begin with??

Do you have reading problems too?

The study talked about incarcerated felons for crimes involving guns personally obtaining the guns at gun shows. The study also mentioned gun shows amount to from 5% to 9% of gun sales. The data only says what it says. It could mean the felon told the authorities where he purchased the gun, or there were records because he could pass a background check, among other possible scenarios of how cops could trace it there.

It doesn't say a person couldn't pass a background check, buy a gun at a gun show even from a licensed dealer and later be incarcerated as a felon for a crime involving guns. A person acquiring a gun at a gun show either personally or otherwise could acquire it from an occasional seller and never leave a record. For that matter, someone could say they purchased a gun at a gun show from an occasional seller when they actually didn't.

The number is sort of meaningless, because it could easily reflect that they only know a small percentage of how someone who is now serving a sentence as a convicted felon for a crime involving guns obtained their gun or guns. What if they only know the source of the guns in 35% of such cases, does that mean gun shows aren't good places to obtain a gun and commit a felony with it and living up to their percentage of the market or more?

You have to analyze a report for what it's saying and get beyond the figures saying more than they say.

Yet you dismissed the study earlier when I used it to destroy your position that 40% of gun sales occur without background checks.

Interesting.

I didn't see it, didn't dismiss it.

 

[Dubya]

Do you have reading problems too?

The study talked about incarcerated felons for crimes involving guns personally obtaining the guns at gun shows. The study also mentioned gun shows amount to from 5% to 9% of gun sales. The data only says what it says. It could mean the felon told the authorities where he purchased the gun, or there were records because he could pass a background check, among other possible scenarios of how cops could trace it there.

It doesn't say a person couldn't pass a background check, buy a gun at a gun show even from a licensed dealer and later be incarcerated as a felon for a crime involving guns. A person acquiring a gun at a gun show either personally or otherwise could acquire it from an occasional seller and never leave a record. For that matter, someone could say they purchased a gun at a gun show from an occasional seller when they actually didn't.

The number is sort of meaningless, because it could easily reflect that they only know a small percentage of how someone who is now serving a sentence as a convicted felon for a crime involving guns obtained their gun or guns. What if they only know the source of the guns in 35% of such cases, does that mean gun shows aren't good places to obtain a gun and commit a felony with it and living up to their percentage of the market or more?

You have to analyze a report for what it's saying and get beyond the figures saying more than they say.

lying sack of shit.

• 0.7% of criminals purchased a gun at a gun show

Read more: Where criminals get their guns | The Daily Caller

I am willing to bet that over 90% of the people who end up breaking the law after buying a gun at a gun show passed a background check when they bought those guns.

It's very doubtful it could be 90%, because only about two-thirds of the guns purchased at gun shows are from licensed dealers requiring background checks.

More than 85% of recovered crime guns have gone through at least one private party transaction following their initial sale by a licensed retailer.

Source: http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/vprp/pdf/IGS/IGScoverprefweb.pdf

I don't think they have good stats on where a criminal purchased their gun, even when the gun is newly purchased. I think the stats are only based on the gun origins they know about and they don't try to trace the history of every gun involved in a crime.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Do you have reading problems too?

The study talked about incarcerated felons for crimes involving guns personally obtaining the guns at gun shows. The study also mentioned gun shows amount to from 5% to 9% of gun sales. The data only says what it says. It could mean the felon told the authorities where he purchased the gun, or there were records because he could pass a background check, among other possible scenarios of how cops could trace it there.

It doesn't say a person couldn't pass a background check, buy a gun at a gun show even from a licensed dealer and later be incarcerated as a felon for a crime involving guns. A person acquiring a gun at a gun show either personally or otherwise could acquire it from an occasional seller and never leave a record. For that matter, someone could say they purchased a gun at a gun show from an occasional seller when they actually didn't.

The number is sort of meaningless, because it could easily reflect that they only know a small percentage of how someone who is now serving a sentence as a convicted felon for a crime involving guns obtained their gun or guns. What if they only know the source of the guns in 35% of such cases, does that mean gun shows aren't good places to obtain a gun and commit a felony with it and living up to their percentage of the market or more?

You have to analyze a report for what it's saying and get beyond the figures saying more than they say.

lying sack of shit.

• 0.7% of criminals purchased a gun at a gun show

Read more: Where criminals get their guns | The Daily Caller

I am willing to bet that over 90% of the people who end up breaking the law after buying a gun at a gun show passed a background check when they bought those guns.

What I think dip shit is doing is, insinuating that those who can't buy a gun else where go to a gun show and buy one.