Do you support Muslims emigrating to the U.S.?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Islam doesn't benefit the greater American community. I support bringing Afghan translators, etc., but the practice of admitting Muslims en masse is a hard no from me.

That's great, but do you mind if we follow the First Amendment?

 

[Unkotare]

I am not for Muslim immigration because it is the goal of Islam and Muslims to place the country wherein they live under Shariah Law.

It doesn't matter how nice they may be, or how good a citizen they may be. Once they reach certain numbers they start pushing the government they are under to allow them to govern themselves, set up their own courts, due to their particular faith. Shariah Law. Then as they grow in numbers still, they start pushing for Shariah zones where they control whats going on by Shariah Law.

Islam is not just a religious faith, it is a political body with a religious faith. And, it's goal is to create Islamic States wherever the Muslim lives.

Don't be fooled by how nice they may act toward you now. They do it now to obtain that goal.

Quantrill

You've never so much as had a cup of coffee with a Muslim person, have you?

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

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How does DHS address the rantings of a mentally disturbed transexual who is dead?

 

[BothWings]

Many years ago, in the days of 800 and 900 Mhz cordless phones with those clunky retractable antennas, I also need something

How observant are they? Do they demand time off to pray five times a day? Do they protest Christians and Jews eating non-halal foods? Do they protest the female employees wearing immodest clothes? Do they protest the other employees eating in their presence during Ramadan? Those are all things that Muslims demand when they become a large enough percentage of the group.

I have no problem with Muslims who keep their religion private, just as I have no problem with Christians who don't try to enlist me in their version of Christianity and won't take no for an answer.

The Muslims I work with steal a lot less company time with their 5min prayer breaks than the vast majority of the loud gossipy locals who also work there. They take more 5-10min "breaks" than the Muslims do for their prayers. The Muslims are nice enough to tell me when it's prayer time too. These other MF'ers don't give a crap if they leave you to cover their ass while they go off to who knows where without telling you. So there's that.

No, they don't protest or bother us about any food issues whatsoever...AND WE WORK IN A HIGH END GROCERY STORE.

And here's the kicker: ANY large group which has special interests tries to dominate and get the most they can from society. Religion is just one of those things that falls under that umbrella. In my area it's sports. They don't care if youre not interested and even explicitly tell them so, but they will still talk to you about it anyway and/or treat you like youre fkd up if you rebuff them. Some people won't take no for an answer. Sometimes guys come running the bathroom together to take a leak while you're going #2...and they'll literally be screaming about football stats and speculation. LOUD. And don't me started about the perfect strangers who run up to you out of the blue, and get right in your face asking, "What's the score? Do you know the score?? Did we do a field goal??? " And it's like holy SHIT, eff off and get out of my face.

Working around people like these local Muslims is actually a relief. People who actually mind their own business, believe in the sanctity of marriage and in families sticking together and have conservative values, fairly ethical behavior and are mostly not flirtatious and are often calm and gentlemanly or ladylike with the opposite sex, compared to the trashy risque white and black American city slickers from around here. Actually, occasionally some of the Muslim conservativism is a little over the top, IMO. Like the policy to not have face to face conversations with the opposite sex (other than their own family) in public,even make much eye contact. Once a Muslim girl I work with expressed to me in our department that her son was 4 and not talking much at all. She was worried something was very wrong. She knows my son is autistic and started asking me for advice. A few days later we ran into each other in a secluded hallway. She wouldn't talk to me there! Just kept going! Wouldn't make eye contact either. But later on in the department, in "public", she was comfortable talking again. I've never asked her about that.

I used to live in NY.
The Jewish capital of the U.S..
There was a whole Hasidic Jewish village near me with several thousand of them living there. They continuously tried for years to get their tap water for free from the township, while trying to claim religious exemption for their taxes! (OMFG, really? )And there were other things too, always trying to get their way with something and not go along with the same policies and rules that everybody else has to follow. And this whole business went back to at least the early '80s and had many ups and downs depending who was in charge of their community and also the township.

And the only other group that I saw try to do that was, alas, a Buddhist retreat. I say "Alas" because I actually really dig Buddhism and have turned to that more than any other organized faith or philosophy for direction, wisdom and release. Actually, I think it was their property manager who was trying get them exempt somehow. She was not a Buddhist, and was probably just hoping for a piece of the pie as their site manager. But it bothers me that they let her carry on like that at their organization.

It's not so much the religion which does that as it is just basic corruption, really no different than corruption in government except that the expression a d interpretation of the religion becomes corrupt, maybe while still trying to hard to portray itself as Gospel and Canon and Orthodox. And I'll admit some religions may be more susceptible to that than others, maybe more because of the succession of their leadership and morphing interpretation of their scriptures, rituals, beliefs and customs. But history shows that ALL these groups have had their dark corners and dark moments.

 

[BackAgain]

Islam doesn't benefit the greater American community. I support bringing Afghan translators, etc., but the practice of admitting Muslims en masse is a hard no from me.

So, you have in mind something like “the Chinese Exclusion Act?”

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

Only 27 votes in this thread is disappointing. This seems like a good political forum that apparently tolerates freedom of expression very well. I'm curious why there aren't more people participating.

 

[WelfareQueen]

This is a secular country.

No. We have religious freedom but we were founded under God and have inalienable rights endowed by our Creator. The Founders were not secularists. In fact, the exact opposite. Our credo and founding principles have not changed.

 

[Quantrill]

Conversely, in some countries where Muslims make up more than 90% of the population, relatively few want their government to codify Islamic law; this is the case in Tajikistan (27%), Turkey (12%) and Azerbaijan (8%)

It is an on-going and constant move of Islam. Turkey under Erdogan is slowly implementing Shariah law. Just because they don't get all they want today, does not stop them from their goal.

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[Quantrill]

The Sheep and the Goats
…34Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’…

OK, and what is that supposed to mean? Why do you not give the Book, Chapter, with the verses?

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[Quantrill]

The Beatitudes
…4Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. 5Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. 6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.…
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Cross References
Psalm 37:11
But the meek will inherit the land and delight in abundant prosperity

Again, this is part of the Sermon on the Mount. It is the Law of the future Kingdom on earth, the Millennial reign of Christ after He returns. It is full of good blessings, but it is for the Millennial reign. It is not a law unto the Church.

Look at it this way: (Law of Moses)---(Church)---(Future Millennial Kingdom law)

The Sermon on the Mount involves Israel and it's earthly inheiritance. The Church's inheiritance is heavenly.

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[Quantrill]

Change the Constitution. Require elected officials be Christians. see if you can get that done and maybe then you will be happy. The Constitution must be changed to limit Muslims from entry. That is why the so-called "Muslim ban" was pure fiction by the left. Citizenship in a foreign country can be restricted from immigration, but religion cannot. Libs didn't know that.

As I said, Islam is a political body with a religion. It is not just a religion. It come into other countries using religious tolerance. It then goes about it's political goals. It is an enemy in the country it lives in.

I don't need to change the Constitution. Every President and Congressman, even the military, are required to take the 'Oath of Office'. "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all ememies, foreign and domestic"

When you allow Islam into your country, you let the enemy in.

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[Quantrill]

You've never so much as had a cup of coffee with a Muslim person, have you?

And what would that change, one way or the other?

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[FoghornLeghorn]

 

[toobfreak]

If so, why? An inordinate number of Muslim immigrants do NOT assimilate to western societies. Additionally, an inordinate number of them commit horrific crimes, terrorism, monolithic fraud, and then demand that their host communities change their cultures to accommodate them. Not to mention that the American taxpayer has to pay through the nose to support them. I certainly don't support this. If you do, why?

Look, let's state this plainly:

1. FACT ONE: Islam's Sharia Law is fundamentally incompatible with western law. Muslims are not about race or even culture as much as to import Sharia Law here and have it supersede our own.
2. FACT TWO: The oft-stated intent by muslims willing to speak frankly is not to immigrate here to become Americans, attracted to our way of life, but to expand and bring THEIR culture HERE.

So, when speaking of immigration, one must look at it both openly and realistically.

 

[buttercup]

You've never so much as had a cup of coffee with a Muslim person, have you?

It's easy to tell that most of these folks have probably never been to the Middle East. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have never been outside the US. But they're sure good parrots of everything they've been brainwashed to believe by the establishment.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

You've never so much as had a cup of coffee with a Muslim person, have you?

I was offered sheep eyes at a Muzzy dinner. I declined

 

[Polishprince]

If so, why? An inordinate number of Muslim immigrants do NOT assimilate to western societies. Additionally, an inordinate number of them commit horrific crimes, terrorism, monolithic fraud, and then demand that their host communities change their cultures to accommodate them. Not to mention that the American taxpayer has to pay through the nose to support them. I certainly don't support this. If you do, why?

There are screwballs in all religions, not just the muslim religion.

Further, there are a lot of devout muslims born in America already, from the tremendous Dr. Oz to Muslim prelate Calypso Louie Farrakhann. President Trump has stated, that Islam is a tremendous religion.

The OP is right in one sense. Immigrants who want to move to the USA need to be vetted before they are allowed in, but that should go regardless of what religion or lack there of they belong to.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Further, there are a lot of devout muslims born in America already, from the tremendous Dr. Oz to Muslim prelate Calypso Louie Farrakhann. President Trump has stated, that Islam is a tremendous religion

Islam is a tremendously evil religion. Evil roots bear evil fruit