CDZ Do You Support Gun Control?

[Pogo]

The plain truth is that gun control laws make those writing and passing the laws feel that they’ve done something meaningful, never mind the fact that they don’t deter crime by firearm.

Fully agree.

For liberals, the gun control debate isn’t actually about guns. It’s about suppressing power. To be more specific, it’s about whether power should lie with the people or with the government. Liberals, of course, side with government.

Fully disagree.

Liberals don't do "gun control". Know that Second Amendment? We wrote it.

Liberals don't do "gun control".

Yeah, sure they don't.

Liberals have pushed for gun control and more of it because it increases the dependency of voters on government for protection.

Bolshoi. Liberalism has no interest in making voters "dependent on government". And it doesn't "push for gun control".
See the first part of the original quote --- that I fully agreed with.

The political effect of gun control is to shift voters leftward, and hence the primary supporters of gun control are the liberal media and leftist politicians.

"Gun control", depending on what you might mean by that, might be proffered BY leftists... but that's got nothing to do with "Liberal". And in any case the end result of passing a law is not attracting voters to the side that passed it. That's absurd, and a non sequitur.

I know, you think you are clever by lying about the modern meaning of the word "liberal." The modern meaning of the word "liberal" is a lover of a central state authority with control over almost all aspects of life.....

The true definition of the word "liberal" today is the modern American Conservative, the real liberals.....

The fact that you can't distinguish between them and misuse the term doesn't morph the definition into its own opposite.

Running with the Rust Limpjob/Joe McCarthy dictionary is gonna take you right where you are now -- in a hole. Not a wise course. One of them can't distinguish between the noun "Democrat" and the proper adjective "DemocratIC" -- the other, the only book he ever read in his life was Mein Kampf.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[sealybobo]

How about less murders? We have that to offer. You want to carry a CCW? We don't want to stop you. We want to regulate the flow of guns that we all know wind up in criminals hands. We can stop it.

You don't have that to offer.

You can tell me that if I give up any of my rights, that you will somehow magically cause fewer guns to wind up in the hand of criminals, and fewer murders to occur, but you and I both know that that promise is a flat-out lie, on which you have no intention of delivering, and on which you could not deliver even if you intended to.

Who do you think you're fooling?

Australia did it.

Im not a gun but or a gun grabber. You can't take either of you seriously.

There are things we can do to lower the number of shootings but gun nuts won't budge an inch.

 

[2aguy]

How about less murders? We have that to offer. You want to carry a CCW? We don't want to stop you. We want to regulate the flow of guns that we all know wind up in criminals hands. We can stop it.

You don't have that to offer.

You can tell me that if I give up any of my rights, that you will somehow magically cause fewer guns to wind up in the hand of criminals, and fewer murders to occur, but you and I both know that that promise is a flat-out lie, on which you have no intention of delivering, and on which you could not deliver even if you intended to.

Who do you think you're fooling?

Australia did it.

Im not a gun but or a gun grabber. You can't take either of you seriously.

There are things we can do to lower the number of shootings but gun nuts won't budge an inch.

You do realize the only thing that has kept Australia from having a mass shooting, since they have had at least 3 since the confiscation...is none of their nuts have decided to do it...since they all have access to guns.....and the fact is that the level of guns is back to where it was before the gun confiscation.....and now they have gun crime increasing...look up the Australian press...the American press won't report it.

 

[2aguy]

How about less murders? We have that to offer. You want to carry a CCW? We don't want to stop you. We want to regulate the flow of guns that we all know wind up in criminals hands. We can stop it.

You don't have that to offer.

You can tell me that if I give up any of my rights, that you will somehow magically cause fewer guns to wind up in the hand of criminals, and fewer murders to occur, but you and I both know that that promise is a flat-out lie, on which you have no intention of delivering, and on which you could not deliver even if you intended to.

Who do you think you're fooling?

Australia did it.

Im not a gun but or a gun grabber. You can't take either of you seriously.

There are things we can do to lower the number of shootings but gun nuts won't budge an inch.

yeah...name one...and actually explain how it stops mass shootings...just saying the words doesn't do anything....

 

[2aguy]

How about less murders? We have that to offer. You want to carry a CCW? We don't want to stop you. We want to regulate the flow of guns that we all know wind up in criminals hands. We can stop it.

You don't have that to offer.

You can tell me that if I give up any of my rights, that you will somehow magically cause fewer guns to wind up in the hand of criminals, and fewer murders to occur, but you and I both know that that promise is a flat-out lie, on which you have no intention of delivering, and on which you could not deliver even if you intended to.

Who do you think you're fooling?

Australia did it.

Im not a gun but or a gun grabber. You can't take either of you seriously.

There are things we can do to lower the number of shootings but gun nuts won't budge an inch.

I posted this to show another moron that gun crime is still a problem in Australia, even after the confiscation...and notice the highlighted shootings either were mass shootings or could easily have been mass shootings if the shooter had targeted more people...

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• 16 January 1998 to 15 June 2009 – Melbourne gangland killings – A series of 35 murders of crime figures and their associates that began with the slaying of Alphonse Gangitano in his home, most likely by Jason Moran, the latest victim being Des Moran who was murdered in Ascot Vale on 15 June 2009.

• 25 January 1996 – Hillcrest murders – Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]

• 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.

• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

• 13 March 2000 – Millewa State Forest Murders – Barbara and Stephen Brooks and Stacie Willoughby were found dead, all three having been shot execution style and left in the forest.[60][61]

• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
• • 14 October 2002 – Dr. Margret Tobin, the South Australian head of Mental Health Services, was shot dead by Jean Eric Gassy as she walked out of a lift in her office building.
  • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
  • 25 October 2003 – Greenacre double murder – A man and a woman are shot dead in a house in the suburb of Greenacre, Sydney which was the result of a feud between two Middle Eastern crime families, 24-year-old Ziad Abdulrazak was shot 10 times in the chest and head and 22-year-old Mervat Hamka was shot twice in the neck while she slept in her bedroom, up to 100 shots were fired into the house from four men who were later arrested and convicted of the murders.
  • 26 July 2004 – Security guard Karen Brown shot dead armed robber William Aquilina in a Sydney carpark after he violently bashed her and stole the hotel's takings. Brown was charged with murder but acquitted on the grounds of self-defence.[66][67]

• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]

• 10 April 2010 – Rajesh Osborne shot and killed his three children, 12 year-old Asia, 10-year-old Jarius and 7-year-old Grace before killing himself in Roxburgh, Victoria.[citation needed]

• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.
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• 29 January 2012 – Giovanni Focarelli, son of Comancheros gang member Vincenzo Focarelli, was shot dead whilst Vincenzo survived the fourth attempt on his life.[79]

• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]

• 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]

• 15 December 2012 – Aaron Carlino murdered drug dealer Stephen Cookson in his East Perth home by shooting him twice in the head and then he cut up and dismembered his body. He buried his arms legs and torso in the backyard of his house and he wrapped his head in a plastic bag and dumped it on Rottnest Island. The head of Cookson was later found washed up on Rottnest Island by an 11-year-old girl. Carlino was convicted of the murder and was sentenced to life in prison.[citation needed]
• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
• 29 July 2013 – Two bikie gang associates, Vasko Boskovski and Bassil Hijazi were shot dead in two separate shooting incidents minutes apart in South West Sydney. The previous week Bassil Hijazi had survived a previous attempt against his life after he was shot inside his car.[citation needed]

• 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]

• 22 October 2014 – Wedderburn shootings – Ian Jamieson shot dead Peter Lockhart, Peter's wife Mary and Mary's son Greg Holmes on two farm properties in Wedderburn, Victoria over a property dispute. Jamieson surrendered to police after a three-and-a-half hour siege.[citation needed]
• 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed]

• 12 November 2014 – Jamie Edwards and Joelene Joyce a married couple who were drug dealers are found shot dead in a car on a highway in the town of Moama, New South Wales.[86]

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

• 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.
• 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.

 

[sealybobo]

We will never be able to stop it but we could lower the number of times it happens.

 

[2aguy]

We will never be able to stop it but we could lower the number of times it happens.

How?

 

[sealybobo]

We will never be able to stop it but we could lower the number of times it happens.

How?

Register every gun and bullet.

 

[airplanemechanic]

I absolutely support gun control. You should have to shoot a 3" group at 100 yards in order to be able to own a gun. 3" group at 15 yards to own a pistol.

 

[2aguy]

We will never be able to stop it but we could lower the number of times it happens.

How?

Register every gun and bullet.

And now please explain how that stops crime or mass shootings...just saying those words means nothing....actually less than nothing..

Allow me.....

The oregon shooter...he passed several mandatory federal background checks, and if they had had registration of guns...he would have registered all 13 of his guns...then taken those registered guns and murdered those people....

so registration is stupid and doesn't stop mass murderers.

Criminal steals a gun....it is not registered to him but to the person he stole it from..thereby making registering that gun stupid and useless.

Criminal gets friend or relative to buy the gun since they have a clean record...they report the gun lost or stolen after selling it to the criminal or giving it to him......thereby making registration stupid and useless....

Criminal buys a gun from an illegl seller who either stole the gun, or bought the gun through a straw purchaser...thereby making registration stupid and useless.


However, when the democrats finally hit the mother load and get the political power to ban some or all guns, the registry will be what they use to make people comply.....

 

[sealybobo]

We will never be able to stop it but we could lower the number of times it happens.

How?

Register every gun and bullet.

And now please explain how that stops crime or mass shootings...just saying those words means nothing....actually less than nothing..

Allow me.....

The oregon shooter...he passed several mandatory federal background checks, and if they had had registration of guns...he would have registered all 13 of his guns...then taken those registered guns and murdered those people....

so registration is stupid and doesn't stop mass murderers.

Criminal steals a gun....it is not registered to him but to the person he stole it from..thereby making registering that gun stupid and useless.

Criminal gets friend or relative to buy the gun since they have a clean record...they report the gun lost or stolen after selling it to the criminal or giving it to him......thereby making registration stupid and useless....

Criminal buys a gun from an illegl seller who either stole the gun, or bought the gun through a straw purchaser...thereby making registration stupid and useless.


However, when the democrats finally hit the mother load and get the political power to ban some or all guns, the registry will be what they use to make people comply.....

If all guns are registered less guns will end up on the black market.

We can't stop guys like the Oregon shooter true.

 

[M14 Shooter]

We will never be able to stop it but we could lower the number of times it happens.

How?

Register every gun and bullet.

Nonsense.

 

[M14 Shooter]

We will never be able to stop it but we could lower the number of times it happens.

How?

Register every gun and bullet.

And now please explain how that stops crime or mass shootings...just saying those words means nothing....actually less than nothing..

Allow me.....

The oregon shooter...he passed several mandatory federal background checks, and if they had had registration of guns...he would have registered all 13 of his guns...then taken those registered guns and murdered those people....

so registration is stupid and doesn't stop mass murderers.

Criminal steals a gun....it is not registered to him but to the person he stole it from..thereby making registering that gun stupid and useless.

Criminal gets friend or relative to buy the gun since they have a clean record...they report the gun lost or stolen after selling it to the criminal or giving it to him......thereby making registration stupid and useless....

Criminal buys a gun from an illegl seller who either stole the gun, or bought the gun through a straw purchaser...thereby making registration stupid and useless.


However, when the democrats finally hit the mother load and get the political power to ban some or all guns, the registry will be what they use to make people comply.....

If all guns are registered less guns will end up on the black market.

Except those stolen or sold illegally. - like now.

 

[2aguy]

We will never be able to stop it but we could lower the number of times it happens.

How?

Register every gun and bullet.

And now please explain how that stops crime or mass shootings...just saying those words means nothing....actually less than nothing..

Allow me.....

The oregon shooter...he passed several mandatory federal background checks, and if they had had registration of guns...he would have registered all 13 of his guns...then taken those registered guns and murdered those people....

so registration is stupid and doesn't stop mass murderers.

Criminal steals a gun....it is not registered to him but to the person he stole it from..thereby making registering that gun stupid and useless.

Criminal gets friend or relative to buy the gun since they have a clean record...they report the gun lost or stolen after selling it to the criminal or giving it to him......thereby making registration stupid and useless....

Criminal buys a gun from an illegl seller who either stole the gun, or bought the gun through a straw purchaser...thereby making registration stupid and useless.


However, when the democrats finally hit the mother load and get the political power to ban some or all guns, the registry will be what they use to make people comply.....

If all guns are registered less guns will end up on the black market.

We can't stop guys like the Oregon shooter true.

We will never be able to stop it but we could lower the number of times it happens.

How?

Register every gun and bullet.

And now please explain how that stops crime or mass shootings...just saying those words means nothing....actually less than nothing..

Allow me.....

The oregon shooter...he passed several mandatory federal background checks, and if they had had registration of guns...he would have registered all 13 of his guns...then taken those registered guns and murdered those people....

so registration is stupid and doesn't stop mass murderers.

Criminal steals a gun....it is not registered to him but to the person he stole it from..thereby making registering that gun stupid and useless.

Criminal gets friend or relative to buy the gun since they have a clean record...they report the gun lost or stolen after selling it to the criminal or giving it to him......thereby making registration stupid and useless....

Criminal buys a gun from an illegl seller who either stole the gun, or bought the gun through a straw purchaser...thereby making registration stupid and useless.


However, when the democrats finally hit the mother load and get the political power to ban some or all guns, the registry will be what they use to make people comply.....

If all guns are registered less guns will end up on the black market.

We can't stop guys like the Oregon shooter true.

You do realize that "black market" guns are guns that are stolen, purchased by straw buyers and sold or given to criminals..right....so you can register guns all you want......once they are stolen or bought by straw purchasers....registration is useless.....

Why can't you anti gun extremists see that?

 

[M14 Shooter]

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Why can't you anti gun extremists see that?

They don't care -- they just want universal registration of guns, as evident by the fact that every gun control law they want to impose on the la abiding is useless w/o universal registration of guns.

Anyone want to guess why they want universal registration of guns?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Do You Support Gun Control?"

That depends on what is meant by 'gun control.'

We know that the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment are not absolute, and subject to reasonable restrictions by government, as the Heller Court explained:

“Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

Consequently, whether or not one 'believes' in 'gun control' is irrelevant, as in fact government is authorized to place restrictions, limits, and regulatory measures on the acquisition and possession of firearms.

The question then becomes not 'if' regulatory measures are warranted, but what measures are reasonable and Constitutional and what measures are not.

 

[the_human_being]

"Do You Support Gun Control?"

That depends on what is meant by 'gun control.'

We know that the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment are not absolute, and subject to reasonable restrictions by government, as the Heller Court explained:

“Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

Consequently, whether or not one 'believes' in 'gun control' is irrelevant, as in fact government is authorized to place restrictions, limits, and regulatory measures on the acquisition and possession of firearms.

The question then becomes not 'if' regulatory measures are warranted, but what measures are reasonable and Constitutional and what measures are not.

I'm all for Obama and Hillary supporting it. In the last week alone, Obama and Hillary have done their best to alienate hunters, gun enthusiasts, collectors, and gun owners in general from voting Democrat. That's an awful lot of votes they have lost.

 

[sealybobo]

We will never be able to stop it but we could lower the number of times it happens.

How?

Register every gun and bullet.

And now please explain how that stops crime or mass shootings...just saying those words means nothing....actually less than nothing..

Allow me.....

The oregon shooter...he passed several mandatory federal background checks, and if they had had registration of guns...he would have registered all 13 of his guns...then taken those registered guns and murdered those people....

so registration is stupid and doesn't stop mass murderers.

Criminal steals a gun....it is not registered to him but to the person he stole it from..thereby making registering that gun stupid and useless.

Criminal gets friend or relative to buy the gun since they have a clean record...they report the gun lost or stolen after selling it to the criminal or giving it to him......thereby making registration stupid and useless....

Criminal buys a gun from an illegl seller who either stole the gun, or bought the gun through a straw purchaser...thereby making registration stupid and useless.


However, when the democrats finally hit the mother load and get the political power to ban some or all guns, the registry will be what they use to make people comply.....

If all guns are registered less guns will end up on the black market.

We can't stop guys like the Oregon shooter true.

We will never be able to stop it but we could lower the number of times it happens.

How?

Register every gun and bullet.

And now please explain how that stops crime or mass shootings...just saying those words means nothing....actually less than nothing..

Allow me.....

The oregon shooter...he passed several mandatory federal background checks, and if they had had registration of guns...he would have registered all 13 of his guns...then taken those registered guns and murdered those people....

so registration is stupid and doesn't stop mass murderers.

Criminal steals a gun....it is not registered to him but to the person he stole it from..thereby making registering that gun stupid and useless.

Criminal gets friend or relative to buy the gun since they have a clean record...they report the gun lost or stolen after selling it to the criminal or giving it to him......thereby making registration stupid and useless....

Criminal buys a gun from an illegl seller who either stole the gun, or bought the gun through a straw purchaser...thereby making registration stupid and useless.


However, when the democrats finally hit the mother load and get the political power to ban some or all guns, the registry will be what they use to make people comply.....

If all guns are registered less guns will end up on the black market.

We can't stop guys like the Oregon shooter true.

You do realize that "black market" guns are guns that are stolen, purchased by straw buyers and sold or given to criminals..right....so you can register guns all you want......once they are stolen or bought by straw purchasers....registration is useless.....

Why can't you anti gun extremists see that?

Not now I'm hunting new piece of property.

 

[sealybobo]

We will never be able to stop it but we could lower the number of times it happens.

How?

Register every gun and bullet.

And now please explain how that stops crime or mass shootings...just saying those words means nothing....actually less than nothing..

Allow me.....

The oregon shooter...he passed several mandatory federal background checks, and if they had had registration of guns...he would have registered all 13 of his guns...then taken those registered guns and murdered those people....

so registration is stupid and doesn't stop mass murderers.

Criminal steals a gun....it is not registered to him but to the person he stole it from..thereby making registering that gun stupid and useless.

Criminal gets friend or relative to buy the gun since they have a clean record...they report the gun lost or stolen after selling it to the criminal or giving it to him......thereby making registration stupid and useless....

Criminal buys a gun from an illegl seller who either stole the gun, or bought the gun through a straw purchaser...thereby making registration stupid and useless.


However, when the democrats finally hit the mother load and get the political power to ban some or all guns, the registry will be what they use to make people comply.....

Badger guns found guilty for selling a gun to a guy who bought it for a criminal who ended up shooting two cops with it.

1800 guns from badger guns end up in criminals hands.

You're telling me that store should be allowed to continue doing business as usual? No loopholes need closing?