Do you honestly believe that Trump will be able to solve the border crisis?

[Captain Caveman]

Until we find out how much it cost.

It LOOKS good but Trump is a master con artist and we are being conned.

Go on, for once in your life be honest with yourself, Biden conned you on his border security lies.

 

[Mashmont]

Do you honestly believe that Trump will be able to solve the border crisis? If you do, you have no clue as to what is involved and how much it will cost you out of your own pocketbook, year after year after year.

Let me begin by asking YOU a question "If you and your family were starving, facing a bleak future where things could not get better and there was a solution to the problem (migrating to a better country), is there ANYTHING that could stop you from trying?

They will continue coming and due to the fact that overpopulation continues to occur, it will get worse (not better)

One other thing you do need to know and understand.

1) how much will it cost the American taxpayer to deport all illegal aliens and keep deporting them as they come

Trump wants a mass deportation. How much could it cost?​

One report estimates it could cost tens, or hundreds, of billions a year.

2) what is the cost of building the wall and keeping the border patrol in effect

The Cost of Immigration Enforcement and Border Security​

• Since 1994, when the current strategy of concentrated border enforcement was first rolled out along the U.S.-Mexico border, the annual budget of the U.S. Border Patrol has increased nearly 20-fold, rising from $400 million to over $7.3 billion in FY 2024 (Figure 1). Even when adjusted for inflation, that is an increase of over 765 percent.

President Trump spent roughly $15 billion on border barriers during his four years in office. He built a total of 458 miles. The border with Mexico alone is 1,933 miles. If the entire border built a wall, that would mean an additional $45 billion, and that is only the border with Mexico. A lot of illegal immigration is coming through Canada,

Keep in mind that all of these costs are coming out of OUR pocket (you and me)

To finish it off, someone said that no more than 1,000 illegals would come every year? That is hilariously misinformed.

People will continue to come in masses as it is big business for the Coyotes that bring them in. Neither is going to stop. Money generates innovation and miracles. There are hundreds of ways to come in and hundreds of reasons to do it. Illegal immigration will ameliorate but only to a small degree, As such, you will keep paying and paying and paying to keep the out.

Here is a meme that will give you some idea of what is involved in keeping (actually NOT keeping) the border secure

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He solved it the first time.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

wrong!

Here is the "bottom line" to what Trump is doing and the yearly cost thereafter

How Much Will Mass Deportations Cost?​

The pro-immigration American Immigration Council estimates a one-time push to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants would cost $315 billion, while deporting one million people a year would cost $88 million annually. The operation could also have economic impacts, the group notes, including lost tax revenue, less consumer spending and labor shortages—especially in industries like agriculture and construction. Trump has defended the costs, saying there is "no price tag" for his mass deportation plans and "we have no choice."

and from AI as to the overall damage caused by this kind of an expense

According to estimates from the American Immigration Council, a one-time cost of $315 billion to deport undocumented immigrants, followed by an annual cost of $88 billion, would represent a significant economic impact, potentially causing disruptions in labor markets, impacting industries reliant on undocumented workers, and putting substantial strain on government budgets, potentially leading to reduced spending in other areas.

Key points about the potential economic damage:

• Large initial cost:
  The immediate $315 billion cost would represent a substantial drain on government funds, which could lead to increased borrowing or cuts to other programs.
  
  
• Ongoing strain:
  The annual $88 billion cost would further strain the budget over time, potentially impacting economic growth and public services.
  
  
• Labor market disruption:
  Mass deportation could lead to significant labor shortages in industries heavily reliant on undocumented workers, potentially causing price increases and business disruptions.
  
  
• Economic impact on communities:
  Communities with large undocumented populations could experience significant economic decline due to reduced spending power and business closures.

Considering how much illegals cost, those figures are cheap.

 

[Luckyone]

Go on, for once in your life be honest with yourself, Biden conned you on his border security lies.

You keep on making assumptions that are based on YOUR bias. You are not communicating and debating, you orating your feelings and they are full of hate and lack of actual information.

You truly are not worth communicating with. Who ever wants to communicate with someone that will always debase and insult and is so blind-by-choice that no knowledge will ever be gained by either party.

Biden conned me? That is hilarious given than I have NEVER been conned in my entire life. In fact, in the years between 1977 and 1979, I did all the conning. I worked for a company that sold a product that was worth $90 and we were selling it for $1600 and I was either the #1 or #2 salesman in the company, bringing in over $5 million dollars a year (at 1977 prices).

I was a master con artist until I realized that wasn't what I wanted to do with my life (con people) and I left to join another company that was selling the same product for the $90 that it was worth.

I know all about cons and NO ONE cons me.

You didn't know that, so you made a ridiculous accusation that was plain stupid and misinformed on your part.

Why would ANYONE want to talk to you. Not me anymore.

 

[g5000]

One of the more interesting facts is a significant number of the refugees are from Venezuela.

You'd think Trump and his cult would be welcoming them with open arms. They could invite them onto Fox News and OANN and Newsmax to tell the world what a disaster socialism is.

 

[g5000]

Go on, for once in your life be honest with yourself, Biden conned you on his border security lies.

Yeah. That bastard promised to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.

Oh wait...

 

[EvilCat Breath]

All extremes are bad. We need a middle point that comes with a compromise between the parties, the costs involved, and the way to do it. Even then, the problem will not go away, only be somewhat controlled.

The ONLY thing that will solve the crisis is a world catastrophe where everyone has to work together to accomplish survival.

Trump will not solve the crisis, only delay it for a few months. It will come back.

We do not compromise with crime.

 

[g5000]

Our Southern neighbor migrants are hardworking, doing the jobs Americans won't do at any wage. They are literally putting food on our table!

They are family-oriented, which is their primary motive for coming here.

They are deeply religious Christians.

No wonder Trump and his followers hate them!

 

[Contumacious]

One of the more interesting facts is a significant number of the refugees are from Venezuela.

You'd think Trump and his cult would be welcoming them with open arms. They could invite them onto Fox News and OANN and Newsmax to tell the world what a disaster socialism is.

Socialist Scumbag Nicolas Maduro emptied Venezuela's Jails and Nuthouses as evidenced by the heinous crime involving Laken Riley.

 

[g5000]

Our birth rate has been below the replacement rate for a long time. Tucker Carlson believes the cure is shining a red light on your balls.

But the reality is we are going to reform our immigration laws and allow more migrants to come here to mitigate our pending population crises which several Asian nations are currently suffering.

This is going to be very bad for our economy if we don't do something smart, and soon.

 

[g5000]

Socialist Scumbag Nicolas Maduro emptied Venezuela's Jails and Nuthouses as evidenced by the heinous crime involving Laken Riley.

Yes, I understand your confirmation bias was the precise purpose behind the hyping of a cute white girl's murder by a brown man.

But what your sources are not telling you is that the rate of violent crime by illegals is half the violent crime rate of people like you, and one quarter the rate of property crimes.

Nor did they tell you this:

Crime Drop in Venezuela Does Not Prove Trump’s Claim the Country Is Sending Criminals to U.S.​

​

 

[Contumacious]

Our birth rate has been below the replacement rate for a long time. Tucker Carlson believes the cure is shining a red light on your balls.

But the reality is we are going to reform our immigration laws and allow more migrants to come here to mitigate our pending population crises which several Asian nations are currently suffering.

This is going to be very bad for our economy if we don't do something smart, and soon.

Yo Dingle Berry , in the past the US has needed farmworkers.

Mexico and the US set up diplomatic programs known as the Bracero Program.

NOTHING prevented the Joe BuyThem Administration to set up such a program if one was truly needed.


An executive order called the Mexican Farm Labor Program established the Bracero Program in 1942. This series of diplomatic accords between Mexico and the United States permitted millions of Mexican men to work legally in the United States on short-term labor contracts.

Research Guides: A Latinx Resource Guide: Civil Rights Cases and Events in the United States: 1942: Bracero Program

This Hispanic Reading Room research guide focuses on 20th and 21st century American court cases, legislation, and events that had important impacts on civil rights in Chicana/o/x, Hispanic, Latina/o/x, Mexican-American and Puerto Rican communities

guides.loc.gov

 

[g5000]

 

[DukeU]

wrong!

Here is the "bottom line" to what Trump is doing and the yearly cost thereafter

How Much Will Mass Deportations Cost?​

The pro-immigration American Immigration Council estimates a one-time push to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants would cost $315 billion, while deporting one million people a year would cost $88 million annually. The operation could also have economic impacts, the group notes, including lost tax revenue, less consumer spending and labor shortages—especially in industries like agriculture and construction. Trump has defended the costs, saying there is "no price tag" for his mass deportation plans and "we have no choice."

and from AI as to the overall damage caused by this kind of an expense

According to estimates from the American Immigration Council, a one-time cost of $315 billion to deport undocumented immigrants, followed by an annual cost of $88 billion, would represent a significant economic impact, potentially causing disruptions in labor markets, impacting industries reliant on undocumented workers, and putting substantial strain on government budgets, potentially leading to reduced spending in other areas.

Key points about the potential economic damage:

• Large initial cost:
  The immediate $315 billion cost would represent a substantial drain on government funds, which could lead to increased borrowing or cuts to other programs.
  
  
• Ongoing strain:
  The annual $88 billion cost would further strain the budget over time, potentially impacting economic growth and public services.
  
  
• Labor market disruption:
  Mass deportation could lead to significant labor shortages in industries heavily reliant on undocumented workers, potentially causing price increases and business disruptions.
  
  
• Economic impact on communities:
  Communities with large undocumented populations could experience significant economic decline due to reduced spending power and business closures.

I see a lot of woulda, coulda, shouldas in there.

Border Patrol, ICE being 'forced' by Biden admin to not do their job ...​

What to know about Texas’ clash with the Biden administration​

Biden was using the border patrol to bus illegal immigrants into the country.

 

[DukeU]

You keep on making assumptions that are based on YOUR bias. You are not communicating and debating, you orating your feelings and they are full of hate and lack of actual information.

You truly are not worth communicating with. Who ever wants to communicate with someone that will always debase and insult and is so blind-by-choice that no knowledge will ever be gained by either party.

Biden conned me? That is hilarious given than I have NEVER been conned in my entire life. In fact, in the years between 1977 and 1979, I did all the conning. I worked for a company that sold a product that was worth $90 and we were selling it for $1600 and I was either the #1 or #2 salesman in the company, bringing in over $5 million dollars a year (at 1977 prices).

I was a master con artist until I realized that wasn't what I wanted to do with my life (con people) and I left to join another company that was selling the same product for the $90 that it was worth.

I know all about cons and NO ONE cons me.

You didn't know that, so you made a ridiculous accusation that was plain stupid and misinformed on your part.

Why would ANYONE want to talk to you. Not me anymore.

In other words, you have no grounds to call someone else a con artist.

You made yours and got out.

Thanks for the admission.

 

[Luckyone]

Considering how much illegals cost, those figures are cheap.

Trump is saying illegal aliens are costing us about $275 billion per year, but that is a lie

the reality is this:

New FAIR Cost Study: Illegal Immigration Now Costs American Taxpayers At Least $151 Billion a Year​

But then, this (AI generated info) has to be factored in as well:

According to recent studies, undocumented immigrants contributed nearly $100 billion in taxes in 2024, with the majority of this amount going towards federal taxes, while a significant portion also contributed to state and local taxes through sales, property, and income taxes; this highlights their substantial economic impact despite their immigration status.

This all means that illegal aliens cost us about $50 billion a year. Considering that getting rid of all of them will cost $315 billion and $88 billion per year thereafter, getting rid of all of them does not make sense.

 

[g5000]

Yo Dingle Berry , in the past the US has needed farmworkers.

Mexico and the US set up diplomatic programs known as the Bracero Program.

NOTHING prevented the Joe BuyThem Administration to set up such a program if ine was truly needed.


An executive order called the Mexican Farm Labor Program established the Bracero Program in 1942. This series of diplomatic accords between Mexico and the United States permitted millions of Mexican men to work legally in the United States on short-term labor contracts.

Research Guides: A Latinx Resource Guide: Civil Rights Cases and Events in the United States: 1942: Bracero Program

This Hispanic Reading Room research guide focuses on 20th and 21st century American court cases, legislation, and events that had important impacts on civil rights in Chicana/o/x, Hispanic, Latina/o/x, Mexican-American and Puerto Rican communities

guides.loc.gov

The Bracero Program ended way the **** back in 1964.

Ever since Bush, every single time a reform bill came before Congress, far right Republicans killed it.

When House Republican Minority Whip Eric Cantor put one on the table in 2014, he was primaried out of office over it.

Biden? He also put an immigration bill on the table, and Republicans murdered it.

So you are speaking out of your ass.

Somewhere around 80 percent of Americans, including a majority of Republicans, are in favor of a path to citizenship or legal residence for illegal immigrants.

But as we all know, the Republican party does not listen to the will of the people when it comes to a lot of issues.

 

[DukeU]

Our birth rate has been below the replacement rate for a long time. Tucker Carlson believes the cure is shining a red light on your balls.

But the reality is we are going to reform our immigration laws and allow more migrants to come here to mitigate our pending population crises which several Asian nations are currently suffering.

This is going to be very bad for our economy if we don't do something smart, and soon.

We don't need any advice on birth rates from the group who encourage kids to mutilate their genitals.

 

[g5000]

Immigration

In your view, should immigration be kept at its present level, increased or decreased? On the whole, do you think immigration is a good thing or a bad thing for this country today?

news.gallup.com

 

[Luckyone]

We do not compromise with crime.

Yes we do. Statistics show that only 96% of convicted criminals end up serving jail sentences. That means that 4% don't. We compromised with that 4%, which were the exceptions.