Do you feel we should end Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid?

[Charles_Main]

Do you feel we should end Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid?

Absolutely not, and not one Republican Politician has proposed any thing of the sort. Reform is not the Same as Getting Rid of.

I can tell you one thing for sure, if we do nothing at all, Eventually these programs will Be gone all on their own, along with the Government as a whole.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

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Good grief. Has there every been a more shallow, simplistic string of responses to a post?

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so ignore the Ryan plan proposal......

 

[DontBeStupid]

Quoted because it is one of the best, most well thought out answers I've seen in a long time on this board. I wish I could give rep more than once.

Well, I just couldn't agree more!



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"medicare for all"......? ....just another name for socialized medicine....

Yup. So?

 

[Oddball]

My four-part approach is above. If you can refrain from the standard partisan rhetoric, read it, think about it and respond to its points like a mature, rational, clear-thinking adult, go ahead.

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Yeah...A mature, rational, clear-thinking adult moocher, who wants everyone else to pay for serviced rendered to him.

You ain't nothing new.

As expected. Perhaps the paragraph to which I refer was a bit complicated. I understand.

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You can't polish a turd, dude.

The problem is that we haven't had anything resembling a free market in medical services in more than 50 years....The entire sector has been overrun by moochers who expect that their insurance is a defacto pre-paid medical plan, that covers any and every contact with anyone who wears a lab coat.

Your contributions to this thread have revealed you to be one of those people...What reaction do you expect to get?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Well, I just couldn't agree more!



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"medicare for all"......? ....just another name for socialized medicine....

Yup. So?

so the idiot says he wants to "end" medicare, medicaid, ss.....and then he proposes a plan for "medicare for all".......does that make sense to you.....?

it's just the same thing wrapped up in a different package...except it'd now include EVERYBODY....

 

[onecut39]

How stupid do you have to be to think that reform = ending?

Why you'd have to think that a bankruptcy filing would have closed GM, that's how stupid!

Where do you think the money to keep GM running would have come from? A large part of our economic problem is simply that banks are not lending. It was worse then than it is now.

GM would have been sold off in bits and pieces. Probably by Bain Capital.

 

[Avorysuds]

An opt out system needs to be in place.

 

[onecut39]

My four-part approach is above. If you can refrain from the standard partisan rhetoric, read it, think about it and respond to its points like a mature, rational, clear-thinking adult, go ahead.

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Yeah...A mature, rational, clear-thinking adult moocher, who wants everyone else to pay for serviced rendered to him.

You ain't nothing new.

As expected. Perhaps the paragraph to which I refer was a bit complicated. I understand.

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Way to go Mac!! Worth a rep and a couple of atta boys.

 

[DontBeStupid]

An opt out system needs to be in place.

An opt out system would destroy the system.

 

[onecut39]

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Yes, we should end Medicare and Medicaid. They should be replaced with (1) a Medicare-For-All health care delivery chassis that provides low-cost or no-cost preventive and diagnostic services to keep the populace healthier and therefore dramatically reduce the overall cost of health care delivery in America, (2) a robust and competitive free market-based insurance supplement menu based roughly on the current Medicare Supplement and Medicare Advantage systems, opening up a massive 300 million-plus market to the insurance companies at lower operating costs due to (1), (3) the creation and utilization of other obvious cost-cutting measures such as tort reform, national supplemental plans, Value-Based Insurance Design and global, coast to coast electronic records, and (4) low income subsidies for (2) above which will keep costs down in the long run due to decreased utilization by the demographic that historically is significantly less healthy.

Yeah, so get rid of Medicare and Medicaid and replace them.

No, we should not end Social Security. And anyone who thinks we should is so completely blinded by simplistic partisan ideology that they simply cannot see the damage it would do, top to bottom, across the country. Eliminating or significantly increasing the current Social Security income cap for payroll deductions (currently around $110,000) would create a de facto means testing apparatus and make Social Security solvent for a very long time.

Easiest freakin' question I'll answer all day.

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Worth a rep and a couple of attaboys. (too bad I responded to the wrong post earlier)

 

[Oddball]

An opt out system needs to be in place.

An opt out system would destroy the system.

If that's not proof of how totally fucked the system is, what would be?

 

[WillowTree]

HealtCare for EVERYONE won't work unless EVERYONE pays FEDERAL INCOME TAXEs.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

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Yes, we should end Medicare and Medicaid. They should be replaced with (1) a Medicare-For-All health care delivery chassis that provides low-cost or no-cost preventive and diagnostic services to keep the populace healthier and therefore dramatically reduce the overall cost of health care delivery in America, (2) a robust and competitive free market-based insurance supplement menu based roughly on the current Medicare Supplement and Medicare Advantage systems, opening up a massive 300 million-plus market to the insurance companies at lower operating costs due to (1), (3) the creation and utilization of other obvious cost-cutting measures such as tort reform, national supplemental plans, Value-Based Insurance Design and global, coast to coast electronic records, and (4) low income subsidies for (2) above which will keep costs down in the long run due to decreased utilization by the demographic that historically is significantly less healthy.

Yeah, so get rid of Medicare and Medicaid and replace them.

No, we should not end Social Security. And anyone who thinks we should is so completely blinded by simplistic partisan ideology that they simply cannot see the damage it would do, top to bottom, across the country. Eliminating or significantly increasing the current Social Security income cap for payroll deductions (currently around $110,000) would create a de facto means testing apparatus and make Social Security solvent for a very long time.

Easiest freakin' question I'll answer all day.

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Worth a rep and a couple of attaboys. (too bad I responded to the wrong post earlier)

....another Bernie Sanders (socialist) supporter i see.....

There have been few steadier Congressional hands throughout he debate over healthcare reform than that of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders. Principled in his support for the real reform of “Medicare for All,” yet pragmatic in his advocacy for Affordable Care Act provisions that expand public health programs and allow states to experiment with single-payer options, Sanders has been in the thick of every fight over President Obama’s signature reform. And the ensuing legislative and legal battles over its implementation.

Bernie Sanders, Nurses: We Still Need 'Medicare for All' | The Nation

 

[DontBeStupid]

HealtCare for EVERYONE won't work unless EVERYONE pays FEDERAL INCOME TAXEs.

Wow. I mean ... wow.

Damn, you are uninformed.

Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[MikeK]

Just give everyone a one time choice to opt in or out of these programs.

Ok, but again, how do you address a generation of retirees who have their retirement accounts wiped out in a stock market crash?

Moronic people like you should not be allowed to even discuss it, you embarrass yourself

It's a valid, relevant, and serious question. Your ad hominem response to it is moronic.

 

[Truthmatters]

the right just lies some more about a type of program that many other countries can make work fine.

why do they think the USA cant do what other countries have made successful?

 

[Greenbeard]

Right...Because they have absolutely gutted reimbursements.

Medicare reimbursements have gone up, chief.

Absolutely not, and not one Republican Politician has proposed any thing of the sort. Reform is not the Same as Getting Rid of.

Not so. The FY12 budget the House passed last year (with virtually every Republican voting for it, as well as virtually every Republican in the Senate) ended Medicare, instead offering seniors a coupon for an Aetna or Blue Cross plan.

The big fanfare around their FY13 budget earlier this year is that--huzzah!--Medicare got to continue existing in that one. Turns out there was some pushback last year on their radical FY12 budget ending Medicare.

 

[Full-Auto]

Ok, but again, how do you address a generation of retirees who have their retirement accounts wiped out in a stock market crash?

Moronic people like you should not be allowed to even discuss it, you embarrass yourself

It's a valid, relevant, and serious question. Your ad hominem response to it is moronic.

So you want a hypothetical answered while ignoring the very real sitcom with SS.

But you want to be taken seriously...

Why should we?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

An opt out system needs to be in place.

An opt out system would destroy the system.

how about an "opt in" system.....?

if the rules were changed not many would ever "opt in".....

 

[MikeK]

The federal programs cannot be ended quickly enough to suit me.

If the states want to pick up the functions that these programs coverm that's up to them - I would personally oppose any such initiative in my state.

You, and no one else, are responsible for you; expecting others to take care of you is the most hideous excample of self-important narcissism I can think of.

Do you have parents? Grandparents? Please tell us why they have no need for either Social Security or Medicare.