Do you consider this text anti-semitic?

Mortimer

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Or just Christian Theology, and theologians and philosophers argue with eatch other? What do Christian Zionists make of this? Or people who call themselves Judeo-Christians how they view this early Theology?

John Chrysostom, Against the Jews. Homily 1
But do not be surprised that I called the Jews pitiable. They really are pitiable and miserable. When so many blessings from heaven came into their hands, they thrust them aside and were at great pains to reject them. The morning Sun of Justice arose for them, but they thrust aside its rays and still sit in darkness. We, who were nurtured by darkness, drew the light to ourselves and were freed from the gloom of their error. They were the branches of that holy root, but those branches were broken. We had no share in the root, but we did reap the fruit of godliness. From their childhood they read the prophets, but they crucified him whom the prophets had foretold. We did not hear the divine prophecies but we did worship him of whom they prophesied. And so they are pitiful because they rejected the blessings which were sent to them, while others seized hold of these blessing and drew them to themselves. Although those Jews had been called to the adoption of sons, they fell to kinship with dogs; we who were dogs received the strength, through God's grace, to put aside the irrational nature which was ours and to rise to the honor of sons. How do I prove this? Christ said: "It is no fair to take the children's bread and to cast it to the dogs". Christ was speaking to the Canaanite woman when He called the Jews children and the Gentiles dogs.

But see how thereafter the order was changed about: they became dogs, and we became the children. Paul said of the Jews: "Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the mutilation. For we are the circumcision". Do you see how those who at first were children became dogs? Do you wish to find out how we, who at first were dogs, became children? "But to as many as received him, he gave the power of becoming sons of God".
 
Or just Christian Theology, and theologians and philosophers argue with eatch other? What do Christian Zionists make of this? Or people who call themselves Judeo-Christians how they view this early Theology?

John Chrysostom, Against the Jews. Homily 1
But do not be surprised that I called the Jews pitiable. They really are pitiable and miserable. When so many blessings from heaven came into their hands, they thrust them aside and were at great pains to reject them. The morning Sun of Justice arose for them, but they thrust aside its rays and still sit in darkness. We, who were nurtured by darkness, drew the light to ourselves and were freed from the gloom of their error. They were the branches of that holy root, but those branches were broken. We had no share in the root, but we did reap the fruit of godliness. From their childhood they read the prophets, but they crucified him whom the prophets had foretold. We did not hear the divine prophecies but we did worship him of whom they prophesied. And so they are pitiful because they rejected the blessings which were sent to them, while others seized hold of these blessing and drew them to themselves. Although those Jews had been called to the adoption of sons, they fell to kinship with dogs; we who were dogs received the strength, through God's grace, to put aside the irrational nature which was ours and to rise to the honor of sons. How do I prove this? Christ said: "It is no fair to take the children's bread and to cast it to the dogs". Christ was speaking to the Canaanite woman when He called the Jews children and the Gentiles dogs.

But see how thereafter the order was changed about: they became dogs, and we became the children. Paul said of the Jews: "Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the mutilation. For we are the circumcision". Do you see how those who at first were children became dogs? Do you wish to find out how we, who at first were dogs, became children? "But to as many as received him, he gave the power of becoming sons of God".
There were many Christians in that era, and for a thousand years who hated Jews on the premise it was they who actually put Christ on the cross.

Horribly flawed logic since Christ was a Jew, a Rabbi in fact, and supported Judaism in it's purest form throughout his life.

More importantly, Christ was born with one final purpose, to fee us from sin by taking them upon himself which had to end with him dying on the cross.

Without the Crucifixion, there is no Christianity.

Judas has been refiled for his part on that and again, as Christ new that night without his betrayal, the prophecy would not be fulfilled, he was no the devil he was made to be, he was part of God's plan all along.

Again, without his action, no crucifixion, no Christianity.

How does a Pro Zionist Christian square all of this? Logically and with a knowledge of scripture and the biblical stories of the New Testament.
 
I would if anyone gave a fetid dingo's kidney what this a-hole thought about anything ... including Jews.
Kinda hard to get too worked up about a guy who was all but forgotten nearly 2,000 years ago no matter what he thought of Jews... . at least for me.
 

Do you consider this text anti-semitic?​


Yes.

And in general: Gid had neiotbene an anti-Jew! Who is able to love Jesus, mother Mary and Joseph, the disciples and most others in the bible who had been Jews? Jesus did not found a new religion - because of him was founded a new religion. Often called: "the releiguioen if love". Who hates Jews, Mortimer, how is such a man able to love Jesus? And how is the Jew Jesus able to love him? So what for heavens sake is going on in your brain, Mortimer?
 
Or just Christian Theology
What strikes me, is that if the word "Jews" if replaced by the word "Christians", his assessment would be equally true. Same if the word was replaced by "people of faith" (meaning any/all faiths).

Not all Jews ever behaved or fit that description. Neither would all Christians/people of faith. Hyperbole.
 
Or just Christian Theology, and theologians and philosophers argue with eatch other? What do Christian Zionists make of this? Or people who call themselves Judeo-Christians how they view this early Theology?

John Chrysostom, Against the Jews. Homily 1
But do not be surprised that I called the Jews pitiable. They really are pitiable and miserable. When so many blessings from heaven came into their hands, they thrust them aside and were at great pains to reject them. The morning Sun of Justice arose for them, but they thrust aside its rays and still sit in darkness. We, who were nurtured by darkness, drew the light to ourselves and were freed from the gloom of their error. They were the branches of that holy root, but those branches were broken. We had no share in the root, but we did reap the fruit of godliness. From their childhood they read the prophets, but they crucified him whom the prophets had foretold. We did not hear the divine prophecies but we did worship him of whom they prophesied. And so they are pitiful because they rejected the blessings which were sent to them, while others seized hold of these blessing and drew them to themselves. Although those Jews had been called to the adoption of sons, they fell to kinship with dogs; we who were dogs received the strength, through God's grace, to put aside the irrational nature which was ours and to rise to the honor of sons. How do I prove this? Christ said: "It is no fair to take the children's bread and to cast it to the dogs". Christ was speaking to the Canaanite woman when He called the Jews children and the Gentiles dogs.

But see how thereafter the order was changed about: they became dogs, and we became the children. Paul said of the Jews: "Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the mutilation. For we are the circumcision". Do you see how those who at first were children became dogs? Do you wish to find out how we, who at first were dogs, became children? "But to as many as received him, he gave the power of becoming sons of God".
it is BS which was written, specifically, to libel jews
and as effective in fostering massive genocides against jews to an extent similar to the scribblings of Josef Goebbels
 

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