Do voters understand that GOP economics is a catastrophe in the making?

[Toddsterpatriot]

Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.

How can one possibly justify GOP policy?

Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics.

Supply side, works every time it's tried.

Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers.

Make it easier for corporations to produce.....and they will. More employment will follow.

Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy.

So was Venezuela.......how's their consumption of food and toilet paper? DURR.

when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it.

Keep it? Like in the corporate safe?

Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class?

Reagan, George W Bush, Trump......all gave across the board tax cuts.
Better than the tax hikes Dems gave.

Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.

Obama's been out of office for 3+ years, stop bringing up his weak economy and crappy wages.

 

[theHawk]

Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.

How can one possibly justify GOP policy?

How do the Republicans “do nothing” for the middle class? We keep jobs here in the US, whereas Dems want to ship them to China or Mexico. We keep wages good, where Dems favor open borders and unlimited immigration which always drives wages down.

Republicans at least try to keep businesses going, where Dems hate privately owned business and try to tax them to death. Businesses give the middle class jobs. Maybe that’s why Dems hate them so much, they think only the government should give people jobs.

 

[pknopp]

Who, exactly, wants “open borders?” That’s just some non sense you say because someone tells you how stupid the wall idea is.

For Christ sake, you need to pay attention.
2020 Democrats all have the same immigration position: Open borders

So just so we are clear, you think that democrats want to end border security altogether? That’s just stupid lol. No democrat is saying that.

I see, so apparently clicking on the link is too much work. They may not be "saying" it but Democrats never put forth any policy that would prevent the hundreds of thousands of unknown people streaming into the U.S.

If they aren’t saying it, why would I bother with the link of some rightwing bullshit blog? Migration from Mexico has been declining since 2008. In fact, just as many Mexicans have LEFT the US. Just because illegal immigration still happens, it doesn’t mean it is some crisis you need to shit your pants about.

Illegal immigration from Mexico did decline during the recession but it increased again once the recession passed. In 2013, Chuck Schumer sponsored Senate bill S. 744, which would have built a border fence at the cost of $40 billion dollars and every Democrat in the Senate voted in favor of it. Hillary Clinton in her 2015 book, Hard Choices, lamented that that border fence had not been built, but as soon as Trump said he favored it, all the Democrats said it was the worst idea they ever heard. Democrats support open borders, as you have just acknowledged, but only because President Trump supports it.

That bill was hardly just about the wall. If you believe it a good bill why not push Trump to back it again and get is passed?

 

[toomuchtime_]

For Christ sake, you need to pay attention.
2020 Democrats all have the same immigration position: Open borders

So just so we are clear, you think that democrats want to end border security altogether? That’s just stupid lol. No democrat is saying that.

I see, so apparently clicking on the link is too much work. They may not be "saying" it but Democrats never put forth any policy that would prevent the hundreds of thousands of unknown people streaming into the U.S.

If they aren’t saying it, why would I bother with the link of some rightwing bullshit blog? Migration from Mexico has been declining since 2008. In fact, just as many Mexicans have LEFT the US. Just because illegal immigration still happens, it doesn’t mean it is some crisis you need to shit your pants about.

Illegal immigration from Mexico did decline during the recession but it increased again once the recession passed. In 2013, Chuck Schumer sponsored Senate bill S. 744, which would have built a border fence at the cost of $40 billion dollars and every Democrat in the Senate voted in favor of it. Hillary Clinton in her 2015 book, Hard Choices, lamented that that border fence had not been built, but as soon as Trump said he favored it, all the Democrats said it was the worst idea they ever heard. Democrats support open borders, as you have just acknowledged, but only because President Trump supports it.

That bill was hardly just about the wall. If you believe it a good bill why not push Trump to back it again and get is passed?

You heard Nancy Pelosi say building the wall is immoral, so it's a dead issue now, right?

 

[blackhawk]

Seriously dude come up with some new material you have been rewording and posting that talking point for years now take a couple of months off and try and come up with someting orginal.

 

[SAYIT]

Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.

How can one possibly justify GOP policy?

Progressive economics: "unemployment stimulates the economy"

Can you defend GOP economics? No you cannot.

Yanno, we are doing so poorly economically that Obama felt compelled this week to come out and take credit for it:

Steve Scalise Had a Comeback for Obama After He Tried to Take Credit for the Economy
President Obama tweeted out a message on Monday to remind Americans that's it's thanks to him we are in such an economic upswing.

 

[Billy000]

Who, exactly, wants “open borders?” That’s just some non sense you say because someone tells you how stupid the wall idea is.

For Christ sake, you need to pay attention.
2020 Democrats all have the same immigration position: Open borders

So just so we are clear, you think that democrats want to end border security altogether? That’s just stupid lol. No democrat is saying that.

lol No, they're not saying they want to end border security, they're just opposed to anything that might provide border security.

Because it’s not needed. Migration from Mexico - legal or illegal - has been declining since 2008.

Border security is needed. The CBP numbers are way higher than the source you're quoting.

Uh you do know that detainments are up because of Trump’s cruel and pointless policy of detaining kids here INDEFINITELY right?

 

[Markle]

Republicans do nothing for the middle class but Democrats will tax the shit out of them. How is that helping them.

Why lie? Who has done more for the lower and middle class than President Donald Trump?

Trump signs bill restoring funding for black colleges
By Collin Binkley - Associated Press - Thursday, December 19, 2019

President Donald Trump on Thursday signed a bipartisan bill that will permanently provide more than $250 million a year to the nation’s historically black colleges and universities, along with dozens of other institutions that serve large shares of minority students.

In signing the bill, Trump said historically black schools have “never had better champions in the White House.”

“When I took office, I promised to fight for HBCUs, and my administration continues to deliver,” Trump said. “A few months ago, funding for HBCUs was in jeopardy. But the White House and Congress came together and reached a historic agreement.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/19/donald-trump-signs-hbcu-funding-bill/

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The November hiring surge pushed incomes for Americans higher last month.
by JOHN CARNEY
20 Dec 2019

Incomes rose by half a percentage point in November, above economists’ forecasts and much better than the soft readings in September and October. This was the strongest gain since July, according to data from the Commerce Department on Friday.

Consumer spending rose at a 0.4 percent annual rate last month, led by a jump in spending on big-ticket durable goods like autos and appliances.

The higher spending is not due to rising prices. Inflation, as measured by the Federal Reserve’s preferred price indicator, is still running well below the Fed’s 2 percent target. It came in at just 1.5 percent for November compared with a year ago.

And despite the rise in consumer spending, Americans are saving more. The saving rate edged up to 7.9 percent of after-tax income in November.

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2019/12/20/christmas-cheer-incomes-jumps-higher-consumer-spending-soars/

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US-China phase 1 trade deal: Beijing agrees to buy $200 billion in US products
By Michelle Toh, CNN Business
11 hrs ago [Jan 16. 2020]

China has agreed to buy hundreds of billions of dollars worth of products from the United States as part of their "phase one" trade deal.

The agreement signed Wednesday will have Beijing purchase an additional $200 billion of US goods and services over the next two years.

The increase in purchases will be compared to 2017, before the trade war started. China imported over $185 billion in total US goods and services that year.

In exchange, Washington has agreed to reduce tariffs on $120 billion in Chinese products from 15% to 7.5%.

Taken together, the phased purchases by China would result in a dramatic surge in US exports. Total exports to China would increase to over $260 billion in 2020, and roughly $310 billion in 2021 if the deal holds

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-china-phase-1-trade-deal-beijing-agrees-to-buy-dollar200-billion-in-us-goods/ar-BBZ17m3

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Manufacturing Surveys Indicate Growth Returning to U.S. Factories
JOHN CARNEY
16 Jan 2020

The U.S. manufacturing sector appears to be regaining its footing, suggesting the beaten-down sector may once again be expanding.

The Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia’s survey-based index of manufacturing activity soared to 17 in January, up from the weak 0.3 reading in December and well-above forecasts for a reading of 3.0.

Manufacturing Surveys Indicate Growth Returning to U.S. Factories

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HAH! President Trump Invited Minnesota Hog Farmers to USMCA Signing Ceremony — But NOT Nancy Pelosi
by Jim Hoft January 29, 2020
President Trump signed the historic USMCA Trade Agreement on Wednesday at the White House.

The trade agreement replaces the disastrous NAFTA agreement signed into law during the Clinton years.

President Trump invited Minnesota Republicans and Minnesota hog farmers to the White House for the signing ceremony today.

HAH! President Trump Invited Minnesota Hog Farmers to USMCA Signing Ceremony -- But NOT Nancy Pelosi

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More MAGA Winning: Gallup Poll Has NEVER Recorded This Level Of Economic Optimism
Written by K. Walker on February 6, 2020

[...]

Americans feel better about their personal financial situation than they did under Obama, Clinton, or even Reagan. This year-to-year number has been rising since 2018 and has hit a 44-year record high according to Gallup’s “Mood of the Nation” economic survey. Gallup reports that 59% of Americans — nearly six in 10 — say that they are better off financially than they were a year ago, which is up from 50% last year.

[...]

There has also been a sharp decline in the percentage of people who say that they are financially worse off than a year ago. Only 20% of Americans are stating that as their financial reality, and that is a record low.

[...]

More MAGA Winning: Gallup Poll Has NEVER Recorded This Level Of Economic Optimism

More?

 

[pknopp]

So just so we are clear, you think that democrats want to end border security altogether? That’s just stupid lol. No democrat is saying that.

I see, so apparently clicking on the link is too much work. They may not be "saying" it but Democrats never put forth any policy that would prevent the hundreds of thousands of unknown people streaming into the U.S.

If they aren’t saying it, why would I bother with the link of some rightwing bullshit blog? Migration from Mexico has been declining since 2008. In fact, just as many Mexicans have LEFT the US. Just because illegal immigration still happens, it doesn’t mean it is some crisis you need to shit your pants about.

Illegal immigration from Mexico did decline during the recession but it increased again once the recession passed. In 2013, Chuck Schumer sponsored Senate bill S. 744, which would have built a border fence at the cost of $40 billion dollars and every Democrat in the Senate voted in favor of it. Hillary Clinton in her 2015 book, Hard Choices, lamented that that border fence had not been built, but as soon as Trump said he favored it, all the Democrats said it was the worst idea they ever heard. Democrats support open borders, as you have just acknowledged, but only because President Trump supports it.

That bill was hardly just about the wall. If you believe it a good bill why not push Trump to back it again and get is passed?

You heard Nancy Pelosi say building the wall is immoral, so it's a dead issue now, right?

I asked you what you thought.

 

[Billy000]

So just so we are clear, you think that democrats want to end border security altogether? That’s just stupid lol. No democrat is saying that.

lol No, they're not saying they want to end border security, they're just opposed to anything that might provide border security.

Because it’s not needed. Migration from Mexico - legal or illegal - has been declining since 2008.

Yet migration from all the third world countries south of Mexico have been increasing. Dumbass, you need to save your bs doubletalk for those two friends you have that are still believing it.

Right and what is Trump’s solution? Detaining the kids indefinitely on the tax payer’s dime. It’s a stupid and cruel policy and you morons support it. It’s impossible to take you seriously lol

By law, children cannot be deported, so when their parents are deported and they don't have relatives to take charge of them, they must be detained. It's not a policy, it's the law.

That is so fucking stupid. That is not at all how it worked before Trump. Kids were only detained in the RARE rare case their parents committed separate crimes. Otherwise, they were deported WITH their parents. Oh and guess what? Seeking asylum was completely LEGAL before Trump.

 

[Thinker101]

For Christ sake, you need to pay attention.
2020 Democrats all have the same immigration position: Open borders

So just so we are clear, you think that democrats want to end border security altogether? That’s just stupid lol. No democrat is saying that.

lol No, they're not saying they want to end border security, they're just opposed to anything that might provide border security.

Because it’s not needed. Migration from Mexico - legal or illegal - has been declining since 2008.

Border security is needed. The CBP numbers are way higher than the source you're quoting.

Uh you do know that detainments are up because of Trump’s cruel and pointless policy of detaining kids here INDEFINITELY right?

Yep, pretty sure it's not INDEFINITELY. Nevertheless, what do you suggest, letting the kids go?

 

[toomuchtime_]

I see, so apparently clicking on the link is too much work. They may not be "saying" it but Democrats never put forth any policy that would prevent the hundreds of thousands of unknown people streaming into the U.S.

If they aren’t saying it, why would I bother with the link of some rightwing bullshit blog? Migration from Mexico has been declining since 2008. In fact, just as many Mexicans have LEFT the US. Just because illegal immigration still happens, it doesn’t mean it is some crisis you need to shit your pants about.

Illegal immigration from Mexico did decline during the recession but it increased again once the recession passed. In 2013, Chuck Schumer sponsored Senate bill S. 744, which would have built a border fence at the cost of $40 billion dollars and every Democrat in the Senate voted in favor of it. Hillary Clinton in her 2015 book, Hard Choices, lamented that that border fence had not been built, but as soon as Trump said he favored it, all the Democrats said it was the worst idea they ever heard. Democrats support open borders, as you have just acknowledged, but only because President Trump supports it.

That bill was hardly just about the wall. If you believe it a good bill why not push Trump to back it again and get is passed?

You heard Nancy Pelosi say building the wall is immoral, so it's a dead issue now, right?

I asked you what you thought.

I think with some modifications, it is a good idea and President Trump detailed those modifications in his 2018 SOTU address/

 

[Billy000]

Republicans do nothing for the middle class but Democrats will tax the shit out of them. How is that helping them.

Why lie? Who has done more for the lower and middle class than President Donald Trump?

Trump signs bill restoring funding for black colleges
By Collin Binkley - Associated Press - Thursday, December 19, 2019

President Donald Trump on Thursday signed a bipartisan bill that will permanently provide more than $250 million a year to the nation’s historically black colleges and universities, along with dozens of other institutions that serve large shares of minority students.

In signing the bill, Trump said historically black schools have “never had better champions in the White House.”

“When I took office, I promised to fight for HBCUs, and my administration continues to deliver,” Trump said. “A few months ago, funding for HBCUs was in jeopardy. But the White House and Congress came together and reached a historic agreement.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/19/donald-trump-signs-hbcu-funding-bill/

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The November hiring surge pushed incomes for Americans higher last month.
by JOHN CARNEY
20 Dec 2019

Incomes rose by half a percentage point in November, above economists’ forecasts and much better than the soft readings in September and October. This was the strongest gain since July, according to data from the Commerce Department on Friday.

Consumer spending rose at a 0.4 percent annual rate last month, led by a jump in spending on big-ticket durable goods like autos and appliances.

The higher spending is not due to rising prices. Inflation, as measured by the Federal Reserve’s preferred price indicator, is still running well below the Fed’s 2 percent target. It came in at just 1.5 percent for November compared with a year ago.

And despite the rise in consumer spending, Americans are saving more. The saving rate edged up to 7.9 percent of after-tax income in November.

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2019/12/20/christmas-cheer-incomes-jumps-higher-consumer-spending-soars/

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US-China phase 1 trade deal: Beijing agrees to buy $200 billion in US products
By Michelle Toh, CNN Business
11 hrs ago [Jan 16. 2020]

China has agreed to buy hundreds of billions of dollars worth of products from the United States as part of their "phase one" trade deal.

The agreement signed Wednesday will have Beijing purchase an additional $200 billion of US goods and services over the next two years.

The increase in purchases will be compared to 2017, before the trade war started. China imported over $185 billion in total US goods and services that year.

In exchange, Washington has agreed to reduce tariffs on $120 billion in Chinese products from 15% to 7.5%.

Taken together, the phased purchases by China would result in a dramatic surge in US exports. Total exports to China would increase to over $260 billion in 2020, and roughly $310 billion in 2021 if the deal holds

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-china-phase-1-trade-deal-beijing-agrees-to-buy-dollar200-billion-in-us-goods/ar-BBZ17m3

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Manufacturing Surveys Indicate Growth Returning to U.S. Factories
JOHN CARNEY
16 Jan 2020

The U.S. manufacturing sector appears to be regaining its footing, suggesting the beaten-down sector may once again be expanding.

The Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia’s survey-based index of manufacturing activity soared to 17 in January, up from the weak 0.3 reading in December and well-above forecasts for a reading of 3.0.

Manufacturing Surveys Indicate Growth Returning to U.S. Factories

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HAH! President Trump Invited Minnesota Hog Farmers to USMCA Signing Ceremony — But NOT Nancy Pelosi
by Jim Hoft January 29, 2020
President Trump signed the historic USMCA Trade Agreement on Wednesday at the White House.

The trade agreement replaces the disastrous NAFTA agreement signed into law during the Clinton years.

President Trump invited Minnesota Republicans and Minnesota hog farmers to the White House for the signing ceremony today.

HAH! President Trump Invited Minnesota Hog Farmers to USMCA Signing Ceremony -- But NOT Nancy Pelosi

###

More MAGA Winning: Gallup Poll Has NEVER Recorded This Level Of Economic Optimism
Written by K. Walker on February 6, 2020

[...]

Americans feel better about their personal financial situation than they did under Obama, Clinton, or even Reagan. This year-to-year number has been rising since 2018 and has hit a 44-year record high according to Gallup’s “Mood of the Nation” economic survey. Gallup reports that 59% of Americans — nearly six in 10 — say that they are better off financially than they were a year ago, which is up from 50% last year.

[...]

There has also been a sharp decline in the percentage of people who say that they are financially worse off than a year ago. Only 20% of Americans are stating that as their financial reality, and that is a record low.

[...]

More MAGA Winning: Gallup Poll Has NEVER Recorded This Level Of Economic Optimism

More?

Oh gee how spectacular! Meanwhile, our poverty rate is at an all time high and wages are way behind on the rate of inflation.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

For Christ sake, you need to pay attention.
2020 Democrats all have the same immigration position: Open borders

So just so we are clear, you think that democrats want to end border security altogether? That’s just stupid lol. No democrat is saying that.

lol No, they're not saying they want to end border security, they're just opposed to anything that might provide border security.

Because it’s not needed. Migration from Mexico - legal or illegal - has been declining since 2008.

Border security is needed. The CBP numbers are way higher than the source you're quoting.

Uh you do know that detainments are up because of Trump’s cruel and pointless policy of detaining kids here INDEFINITELY right?

It's awful!

We need to deport those kids, quickly.
48 hours in custody is too long.
Send them home!!!

 

[Thinker101]

lol No, they're not saying they want to end border security, they're just opposed to anything that might provide border security.

Because it’s not needed. Migration from Mexico - legal or illegal - has been declining since 2008.

Yet migration from all the third world countries south of Mexico have been increasing. Dumbass, you need to save your bs doubletalk for those two friends you have that are still believing it.

Right and what is Trump’s solution? Detaining the kids indefinitely on the tax payer’s dime. It’s a stupid and cruel policy and you morons support it. It’s impossible to take you seriously lol

By law, children cannot be deported, so when their parents are deported and they don't have relatives to take charge of them, they must be detained. It's not a policy, it's the law.

That is so fucking stupid. That is not at all how it worked before Trump. Kids were only detained in the RARE rare case their parents committed separate crimes. Otherwise, they were deported WITH their parents. Oh and guess what? Seeking asylum was completely LEGAL before Trump.

Seeking asylum still is LEGAL, you fricken idiots just decided to abuse it.

 

[Billy000]

So just so we are clear, you think that democrats want to end border security altogether? That’s just stupid lol. No democrat is saying that.

lol No, they're not saying they want to end border security, they're just opposed to anything that might provide border security.

Because it’s not needed. Migration from Mexico - legal or illegal - has been declining since 2008.

Border security is needed. The CBP numbers are way higher than the source you're quoting.

Uh you do know that detainments are up because of Trump’s cruel and pointless policy of detaining kids here INDEFINITELY right?

Yep, pretty sure it's not INDEFINITELY. Nevertheless, what do you suggest, letting the kids go?

It’s not indefinite huh? So where’s the plan to release them? You notice how it doesn’t exist? It’s because Trump is too much of a selfish, incompetent moron to care about it.

 

[Billy000]

Because it’s not needed. Migration from Mexico - legal or illegal - has been declining since 2008.

Yet migration from all the third world countries south of Mexico have been increasing. Dumbass, you need to save your bs doubletalk for those two friends you have that are still believing it.

Right and what is Trump’s solution? Detaining the kids indefinitely on the tax payer’s dime. It’s a stupid and cruel policy and you morons support it. It’s impossible to take you seriously lol

By law, children cannot be deported, so when their parents are deported and they don't have relatives to take charge of them, they must be detained. It's not a policy, it's the law.

That is so fucking stupid. That is not at all how it worked before Trump. Kids were only detained in the RARE rare case their parents committed separate crimes. Otherwise, they were deported WITH their parents. Oh and guess what? Seeking asylum was completely LEGAL before Trump.

Seeking asylum still is LEGAL, you fricken idiots just decided to abuse it.

Lol oh really? How did we “abuse it”?

 

[Billy000]

So just so we are clear, you think that democrats want to end border security altogether? That’s just stupid lol. No democrat is saying that.

lol No, they're not saying they want to end border security, they're just opposed to anything that might provide border security.

Because it’s not needed. Migration from Mexico - legal or illegal - has been declining since 2008.

Border security is needed. The CBP numbers are way higher than the source you're quoting.

Uh you do know that detainments are up because of Trump’s cruel and pointless policy of detaining kids here INDEFINITELY right?

It's awful!

We need to deport those kids, quickly.
48 hours in custody is too long.
Send them home!!!

So why hasn’t he?

 

[pknopp]

If they aren’t saying it, why would I bother with the link of some rightwing bullshit blog? Migration from Mexico has been declining since 2008. In fact, just as many Mexicans have LEFT the US. Just because illegal immigration still happens, it doesn’t mean it is some crisis you need to shit your pants about.

Illegal immigration from Mexico did decline during the recession but it increased again once the recession passed. In 2013, Chuck Schumer sponsored Senate bill S. 744, which would have built a border fence at the cost of $40 billion dollars and every Democrat in the Senate voted in favor of it. Hillary Clinton in her 2015 book, Hard Choices, lamented that that border fence had not been built, but as soon as Trump said he favored it, all the Democrats said it was the worst idea they ever heard. Democrats support open borders, as you have just acknowledged, but only because President Trump supports it.

That bill was hardly just about the wall. If you believe it a good bill why not push Trump to back it again and get is passed?

You heard Nancy Pelosi say building the wall is immoral, so it's a dead issue now, right?

I asked you what you thought.

I think with some modifications, it is a good idea and President Trump detailed those modifications in his 2018 SOTU address/

I don't recall a path to citizenship.

 

[Thinker101]

Yet migration from all the third world countries south of Mexico have been increasing. Dumbass, you need to save your bs doubletalk for those two friends you have that are still believing it.

Right and what is Trump’s solution? Detaining the kids indefinitely on the tax payer’s dime. It’s a stupid and cruel policy and you morons support it. It’s impossible to take you seriously lol

By law, children cannot be deported, so when their parents are deported and they don't have relatives to take charge of them, they must be detained. It's not a policy, it's the law.

That is so fucking stupid. That is not at all how it worked before Trump. Kids were only detained in the RARE rare case their parents committed separate crimes. Otherwise, they were deported WITH their parents. Oh and guess what? Seeking asylum was completely LEGAL before Trump.

Seeking asylum still is LEGAL, you fricken idiots just decided to abuse it.

Lol oh really? How did we “abuse it”?

Are you really that stupid? 90% of illegals are now seeking asylum.