Do voters understand that GOP economics is a catastrophe in the making?

[Billy000]

You’re a moron if you think illegal immigration can be eliminated completely. It’s been declining for over a decade. It’s not some crisis just because it still happens and Trump told you to shit your pants over it.

Not looking for it to be eliminated completely dumbass, I'd be fine with cutting it by 80%.

Let’s say we miraculously did that. Then what? How would that better the country? Be specific.

You've got to be kidding, you can't figure that one out?

Lol um okay then state it if it is so obvious.

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

 

[Thinker101]

Not looking for it to be eliminated completely dumbass, I'd be fine with cutting it by 80%.

Let’s say we miraculously did that. Then what? How would that better the country? Be specific.

You've got to be kidding, you can't figure that one out?

Lol um okay then state it if it is so obvious.

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Yep, I know this is a tough one for you. We were talking about ILLEGAL immigrants there champ. Fricken pay attention.

 

[Billy000]

Let’s say we miraculously did that. Then what? How would that better the country? Be specific.

You've got to be kidding, you can't figure that one out?

Lol um okay then state it if it is so obvious.

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Yep, I know this is a tough one for you. We were talking about ILLEGAL immigrants there champ. Fricken pay attention.

Ah you’re too easy. From the same article:


“In general, more people working means more taxes — and that's true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.”

 

[Thinker101]

You've got to be kidding, you can't figure that one out?

Lol um okay then state it if it is so obvious.

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Yep, I know this is a tough one for you. We were talking about ILLEGAL immigrants there champ. Fricken pay attention.

Ah you’re too easy. From the same article:


“In general, more people working means more taxes — and that's true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.”

Great, that's about half of what it costs California alone. I see math is not your strong suit.

 

[Billy000]

Lol um okay then state it if it is so obvious.

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Yep, I know this is a tough one for you. We were talking about ILLEGAL immigrants there champ. Fricken pay attention.

Ah you’re too easy. From the same article:


“In general, more people working means more taxes — and that's true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.”

Great, that's about half of what it costs California alone. I see math is not your strong suit.

And yours isn’t logic lol. This entire article I gave you included BOTH illegal and legal.

Heree more because I know you will choose to ignore anything I don’t quote:


“17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they're taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims.

"Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages," Peri, the UC Davis professor, said.

The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans' for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers.

Wendy Estrada, a 30-year-old Honduran immigrant training to become a certified nursing assistant listens to Center at Park West resident Maria Ruvalcaba sing. Immigrants make up a large share of health care aides in the U.S. Photo by Barbara Davidson/Los Angeles Times via Getty Images

On a farm, for example, owners, managers and salespeople are often born in America. Immigrants tend to work as field hands. Neither group could do their job without the other.

Immigrants who work as child care providers give Americans, specifically women, more opportunity to join the labor force. And immigrants are playing an increasingly critical role in taking care of the elderly as baby boomers retire. Census data shows that immigrants accounted for 24 percent of nursing, psychiatric and home care aides in 2015.

WATCH: What happened when this struggling city opened its arms to refugees

A study from the bipartisan research organization New American Economy found immigrants were 15 percent more likely to work unusual hours than similar U.S.-born workers. They are also more likely to be employed in dangerous jobs, according to data from the American Community Survey and Bureau of Statistics.

In addition, the latest jobs report shows the U.S. economy performing strongly enough that it can absorb large numbers of workers, including immigrants.

Immigrants fill those roles in part because they are on average less educated than native-born Americans. About 26 percent have less than a high school degree, compared to 5 percent of native-born workers, according to the Urban Institute. But one in three immigrant workers have a college or advanced degree, a rate on par with Americans born here. Unauthorized immigrants tend to have slightly lower education levels; about 13 percent have college degrees.

Myth #3: The U.S. economy does not need immigrants

Fact: Immigrants are key to offsetting a falling birth rate

The U.S. birth rate is 1.8 births per woman, down from 3.65 in 1960, according to the World Bank. Demographers consider 2.1 births per woman as the rate needed to replace the existing population.

According to the Pew Research Center, if not for immigrants, the U.S. workforce would be shrinking. That would create a host of problems for the federal government.

as it has in Japan, a country where the population is shrinking and does not attract many immigrants.

Automation can buttress economic growth for a while, but investment in new technology only goes so far, said Betsey Stevenson, an associate professor of economics at the University of Michigan.

Plus, immigrants increase demand for goods and services, which further boosts economic growth, she added.

Myth #4: It would be better for the economy if immigrants' children were not citizens

Fact: Children with citizenship are more productive workers

At his rally Thursday night in Columbia, Missouri, Trump criticized the 14th Amendment, which was ratified after the Civil War and guaranteed citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States," including people who were formerly enslaved.

Trump said the idea was "a crazy, lunatic policy" supported by Democrats that today allows "hundreds of thousands of children born to illegal immigrants" to become citizens each year.”

 

[Yarddog]

Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.

How can one possibly justify GOP policy?

Just because there are poor people does not mean the system isnt working. Not everyone remains in the middle class, they also move up, but it doesn't always happen in one generation. A family does reasonably well, is able to have their three kids go to college perhaps and do much better than the parents. Thats sort of the American Dream, but now you get these Communists like Sanders who wants to promise everything right now, to everybody. And all you have to do is take it from the RICH!

Oh my where have we seen this before?

The so called experts said the U.S. economy was going to tank as soon as Trump took office, so now we are supposed to believe you?......and,

"Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. "

Your over simplifying the whole Selling Products thing. maybe in the process of "selling" products, that translates into creating more jobs or services .. or involving other vendors who can also create more jobs.

You don't think when Walgreens opens another store, that a team of Architects gets paid? you don't think there may be staff in their office who have jobs? You don't think civil engineers work on the project? you don't think the guy who drives the cement truck gets paid? you don't think the guy who drops off the rebar gets paid? You don't think plumbers and electricians get paid?
You don't think that a real estate broker and his staff don't get paid? you don't think real estate attorneys and their staff get paid? Surveyors, labs who do soil testing don'y get paid? Carpenters, Masons, Glass installers, carpet layers, painters.... NONE of them get paid?

You don't think when they all get money in their pockets they don't go out and spend it? If you tax the hell out of all corporations do you really think THAT is going to make them hire more people and open more stores? i don't think so.

 

[Thinker101]

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Yep, I know this is a tough one for you. We were talking about ILLEGAL immigrants there champ. Fricken pay attention.

Ah you’re too easy. From the same article:


“In general, more people working means more taxes — and that's true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.”

Great, that's about half of what it costs California alone. I see math is not your strong suit.

And yours isn’t logic lol. This entire article I gave you included BOTH illegal and legal.

Heree more because I know you will choose to ignore anything I don’t quote:


“17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they're taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims.

"Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages," Peri, the UC Davis professor, said.

The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans' for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers.

Wendy Estrada, a 30-year-old Honduran immigrant training to become a certified nursing assistant listens to Center at Park West resident Maria Ruvalcaba sing. Immigrants make up a large share of health care aides in the U.S. Photo by Barbara Davidson/Los Angeles Times via Getty Images

On a farm, for example, owners, managers and salespeople are often born in America. Immigrants tend to work as field hands. Neither group could do their job without the other.

Immigrants who work as child care providers give Americans, specifically women, more opportunity to join the labor force. And immigrants are playing an increasingly critical role in taking care of the elderly as baby boomers retire. Census data shows that immigrants accounted for 24 percent of nursing, psychiatric and home care aides in 2015.

WATCH: What happened when this struggling city opened its arms to refugees

A study from the bipartisan research organization New American Economy found immigrants were 15 percent more likely to work unusual hours than similar U.S.-born workers. They are also more likely to be employed in dangerous jobs, according to data from the American Community Survey and Bureau of Statistics.

In addition, the latest jobs report shows the U.S. economy performing strongly enough that it can absorb large numbers of workers, including immigrants.

Immigrants fill those roles in part because they are on average less educated than native-born Americans. About 26 percent have less than a high school degree, compared to 5 percent of native-born workers, according to the Urban Institute. But one in three immigrant workers have a college or advanced degree, a rate on par with Americans born here. Unauthorized immigrants tend to have slightly lower education levels; about 13 percent have college degrees.

Myth #3: The U.S. economy does not need immigrants

Fact: Immigrants are key to offsetting a falling birth rate

The U.S. birth rate is 1.8 births per woman, down from 3.65 in 1960, according to the World Bank. Demographers consider 2.1 births per woman as the rate needed to replace the existing population.

According to the Pew Research Center, if not for immigrants, the U.S. workforce would be shrinking. That would create a host of problems for the federal government.

as it has in Japan, a country where the population is shrinking and does not attract many immigrants.

Automation can buttress economic growth for a while, but investment in new technology only goes so far, said Betsey Stevenson, an associate professor of economics at the University of Michigan.

Plus, immigrants increase demand for goods and services, which further boosts economic growth, she added.

Myth #4: It would be better for the economy if immigrants' children were not citizens

Fact: Children with citizenship are more productive workers

At his rally Thursday night in Columbia, Missouri, Trump criticized the 14th Amendment, which was ratified after the Civil War and guaranteed citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States," including people who were formerly enslaved.

Trump said the idea was "a crazy, lunatic policy" supported by Democrats that today allows "hundreds of thousands of children born to illegal immigrants" to become citizens each year.”

So you've moved right past the cost factor and moved into the need for illegals...do us both a favor and give up.

 

[Billy000]

Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.

How can one possibly justify GOP policy?

Just because there are poor people does not mean the system isnt working. Not everyone remains in the middle class, they also move up, but it doesn't always happen in one generation. A family does reasonably well, is able to have their three kids go to college perhaps and do much better than the parents. Thats sort of the American Dream, but now you get these Communists like Sanders who wants to promise everything right now, to everybody. And all you have to do is take it from the RICH!

Oh my where have we seen this before?

The so called experts said the U.S. economy was going to tank as soon as Trump took office, so now we are supposed to believe you?......and,

"Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. "

Your over simplifying the whole Selling Products thing. maybe in the process of "selling" products, that translates into creating more jobs or services .. or involving other vendors who can also create more jobs.

You don't think when Walgreens opens another store, that a team of Architects gets paid? you don't think there may be staff in their office who have jobs? You don't think civil engineers work on the project? you don't think the guy who drives the cement truck gets paid? you don't think the guy who drops off the rebar gets paid? You don't think plumbers and electricians get paid?
You don't think that a real estate broker and his staff don't get paid? you don't think real estate attorneys and their staff get paid? Surveyors, labs who do soil testing don'y get paid? Carpenters, Masons, Glass installers, carpet layers, painters.... NONE of them get paid?

You don't think when they all get money in their pockets they don't go out and spend it? If you tax the hell out of all corporations do you really think THAT is going to make them hire more people and open more stores? i don't think so.

Lol Christ Wal-Greens is going to open up a new store regardless of whether or not they get a tax cut. Obviously their profits are high enough. A cost-benefit analysis makes that determination. Again, there isn’t an issue of supply. These corporations are wealthier than ever before. They aren’t short on cash when it comes to opening up shop. Now if you were talking about small businesses maybe you’d have a point, but the GOP doesn’t do jack shit for them.

 

[Billy000]

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Yep, I know this is a tough one for you. We were talking about ILLEGAL immigrants there champ. Fricken pay attention.

Ah you’re too easy. From the same article:


“In general, more people working means more taxes — and that's true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.”

Great, that's about half of what it costs California alone. I see math is not your strong suit.

And yours isn’t logic lol. This entire article I gave you included BOTH illegal and legal.

Heree more because I know you will choose to ignore anything I don’t quote:


“17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they're taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims.

"Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages," Peri, the UC Davis professor, said.

The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans' for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers.

Wendy Estrada, a 30-year-old Honduran immigrant training to become a certified nursing assistant listens to Center at Park West resident Maria Ruvalcaba sing. Immigrants make up a large share of health care aides in the U.S. Photo by Barbara Davidson/Los Angeles Times via Getty Images

On a farm, for example, owners, managers and salespeople are often born in America. Immigrants tend to work as field hands. Neither group could do their job without the other.

Immigrants who work as child care providers give Americans, specifically women, more opportunity to join the labor force. And immigrants are playing an increasingly critical role in taking care of the elderly as baby boomers retire. Census data shows that immigrants accounted for 24 percent of nursing, psychiatric and home care aides in 2015.

WATCH: What happened when this struggling city opened its arms to refugees

A study from the bipartisan research organization New American Economy found immigrants were 15 percent more likely to work unusual hours than similar U.S.-born workers. They are also more likely to be employed in dangerous jobs, according to data from the American Community Survey and Bureau of Statistics.

In addition, the latest jobs report shows the U.S. economy performing strongly enough that it can absorb large numbers of workers, including immigrants.

Immigrants fill those roles in part because they are on average less educated than native-born Americans. About 26 percent have less than a high school degree, compared to 5 percent of native-born workers, according to the Urban Institute. But one in three immigrant workers have a college or advanced degree, a rate on par with Americans born here. Unauthorized immigrants tend to have slightly lower education levels; about 13 percent have college degrees.

Myth #3: The U.S. economy does not need immigrants

Fact: Immigrants are key to offsetting a falling birth rate

The U.S. birth rate is 1.8 births per woman, down from 3.65 in 1960, according to the World Bank. Demographers consider 2.1 births per woman as the rate needed to replace the existing population.

According to the Pew Research Center, if not for immigrants, the U.S. workforce would be shrinking. That would create a host of problems for the federal government.

as it has in Japan, a country where the population is shrinking and does not attract many immigrants.

Automation can buttress economic growth for a while, but investment in new technology only goes so far, said Betsey Stevenson, an associate professor of economics at the University of Michigan.

Plus, immigrants increase demand for goods and services, which further boosts economic growth, she added.

Myth #4: It would be better for the economy if immigrants' children were not citizens

Fact: Children with citizenship are more productive workers

At his rally Thursday night in Columbia, Missouri, Trump criticized the 14th Amendment, which was ratified after the Civil War and guaranteed citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States," including people who were formerly enslaved.

Trump said the idea was "a crazy, lunatic policy" supported by Democrats that today allows "hundreds of thousands of children born to illegal immigrants" to become citizens each year.”

So you've moved right past the cost factor and moved into the need for illegals...do us both a favor and give up.

Lol do us a favor and read the entire article.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Not looking for it to be eliminated completely dumbass, I'd be fine with cutting it by 80%.

Let’s say we miraculously did that. Then what? How would that better the country? Be specific.

You've got to be kidding, you can't figure that one out?

Lol um okay then state it if it is so obvious.

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

They do. And illegal aliens are even worse.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually.

See, your source agrees.

But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found.

Meh.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You've got to be kidding, you can't figure that one out?

Lol um okay then state it if it is so obvious.

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Yep, I know this is a tough one for you. We were talking about ILLEGAL immigrants there champ. Fricken pay attention.

Ah you’re too easy. From the same article:


“In general, more people working means more taxes — and that's true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.”

“In general, more people working means more taxes — and that's true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.”

While consuming ten times that in government spending. Boot the illegal leeches.

 

[Billy000]

Let’s say we miraculously did that. Then what? How would that better the country? Be specific.

You've got to be kidding, you can't figure that one out?

Lol um okay then state it if it is so obvious.

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

They do. And illegal aliens are even worse.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually.

See, your source agrees.

But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found.

Meh.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare and they contribute 11 billion in tax revenue. This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

 

[Billy000]

Lol um okay then state it if it is so obvious.

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Yep, I know this is a tough one for you. We were talking about ILLEGAL immigrants there champ. Fricken pay attention.

Ah you’re too easy. From the same article:


“In general, more people working means more taxes — and that's true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.”

“In general, more people working means more taxes — and that's true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.”

While consuming ten times that in government spending. Boot the illegal leeches.

That’s just you making shit up. More importantly, you are conveniently ignoring the entire article that shows the overall economic harm by illegals is outweighed by the economic benefit.

 

[bluzman61]

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Yep, I know this is a tough one for you. We were talking about ILLEGAL immigrants there champ. Fricken pay attention.

Ah you’re too easy. From the same article:


“In general, more people working means more taxes — and that's true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.”

“In general, more people working means more taxes — and that's true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.”

While consuming ten times that in government spending. Boot the illegal leeches.

That’s just you making shit up. More importantly, you are conveniently ignoring the entire article that shows the overall economic harm by illegals is outweighed by the economic benefit.

..........????????????????<<<<<<<<<<<<<<?????????????

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You've got to be kidding, you can't figure that one out?

Lol um okay then state it if it is so obvious.

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

They do. And illegal aliens are even worse.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually.

See, your source agrees.

But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found.

Meh.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare and they contribute 11 billion in tax revenue. This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare

They consume $10s of billions in healthcare dollars, education dollars and criminal justice dollars.
The sales tax they pay on their purchases doesn't even come close to the costs they impose on us.

Boot the ******* illegal leeches

This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

Yes, the dishonesty the article exhibits by mixing the expensive legal immigrants with the much more expensive illegal aliens was obvious.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Yep, I know this is a tough one for you. We were talking about ILLEGAL immigrants there champ. Fricken pay attention.

Ah you’re too easy. From the same article:


“In general, more people working means more taxes — and that's true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.”

“In general, more people working means more taxes — and that's true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.”

While consuming ten times that in government spending. Boot the illegal leeches.

That’s just you making shit up. More importantly, you are conveniently ignoring the entire article that shows the overall economic harm by illegals is outweighed by the economic benefit.

That’s just you making shit up.

Here in Chicago we spend about $15,000 for each kid in the public schools.
You think the sales tax an illegal alien contributes pays for the schooling for his kids? LOL!
Not to mention the money we spend to arrest and jail the illegals when they commit more obvious crimes.

you are conveniently ignoring the entire article that shows the overall economic harm by illegals is outweighed by the economic benefit.

Benefit? Is that why the shitholes they come from are such economic powerhouses?

 

[Billy000]

Lol um okay then state it if it is so obvious.

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

They do. And illegal aliens are even worse.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually.

See, your source agrees.

But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found.

Meh.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare and they contribute 11 billion in tax revenue. This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare

They consume $10s of billions in healthcare dollars, education dollars and criminal justice dollars.
The sales tax they pay on their purchases doesn't even come close to the costs they impose on us.

Boot the ******* illegal leeches

This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

Yes, the dishonesty the article exhibits by mixing the expensive legal immigrants with the much more expensive illegal aliens was obvious.

Actually the result is that it really doesn’t matter they are here and your crybaby ass wants to pretend otherwise. Right I get it. All the stuff you didn’t like in the article was all bullshit and the stuff you did was your lame as “ah ha!”. Typical. You people reason like children.

Let’s pretend, though, that we got rid all the illegals tomorrow. Then what? What the **** do you even think would happen? Wages are just going to magically skyrocket because more white people would have jobs? Are you that stupid?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

They do. And illegal aliens are even worse.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually.

See, your source agrees.

But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found.

Meh.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare and they contribute 11 billion in tax revenue. This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare

They consume $10s of billions in healthcare dollars, education dollars and criminal justice dollars.
The sales tax they pay on their purchases doesn't even come close to the costs they impose on us.

Boot the ******* illegal leeches

This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

Yes, the dishonesty the article exhibits by mixing the expensive legal immigrants with the much more expensive illegal aliens was obvious.

Actually the result is that it really doesn’t matter they are here and your crybaby ass wants to pretend otherwise. Right I get it. All the stuff you didn’t like in the article was all bullshit and the stuff you did was your lame as “ah ha!”. Typical. You people reason like children.

Let’s pretend, though, that we got rid all the illegals tomorrow. Then what? What the **** do you even think would happen? Wages are just going to magically skyrocket because more white people would have jobs? Are you that stupid?

I really hope you understand that drunken posting does not constitute critical thinking.

But in this case, if it tightens the labor market....wages will go up. That isn't magic...that is economics.

You know, the thing you pretend to know.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

They do. And illegal aliens are even worse.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually.

See, your source agrees.

But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found.

Meh.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare and they contribute 11 billion in tax revenue. This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare

They consume $10s of billions in healthcare dollars, education dollars and criminal justice dollars.
The sales tax they pay on their purchases doesn't even come close to the costs they impose on us.

Boot the ******* illegal leeches

This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

Yes, the dishonesty the article exhibits by mixing the expensive legal immigrants with the much more expensive illegal aliens was obvious.

Actually the result is that it really doesn’t matter they are here and your crybaby ass wants to pretend otherwise. Right I get it. All the stuff you didn’t like in the article was all bullshit and the stuff you did was your lame as “ah ha!”. Typical. You people reason like children.

Let’s pretend, though, that we got rid all the illegals tomorrow. Then what? What the **** do you even think would happen? Wages are just going to magically skyrocket because more white people would have jobs? Are you that stupid?

Let’s pretend, though, that we got rid all the illegals tomorrow. Then what?

Low-skilled American workers would make more money.
Crime would drop. Chicago would save billions currently spent on illegal aliens.
Maybe we could even improve the Chicago Public Schools for the actual citizens.

Wages are just going to magically skyrocket

I know that economics isn't your strong suit...or math...or logic.

 

[Billy000]

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

They do. And illegal aliens are even worse.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually.

See, your source agrees.

But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found.

Meh.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare and they contribute 11 billion in tax revenue. This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare

They consume $10s of billions in healthcare dollars, education dollars and criminal justice dollars.
The sales tax they pay on their purchases doesn't even come close to the costs they impose on us.

Boot the ******* illegal leeches

This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

Yes, the dishonesty the article exhibits by mixing the expensive legal immigrants with the much more expensive illegal aliens was obvious.

Actually the result is that it really doesn’t matter they are here and your crybaby ass wants to pretend otherwise. Right I get it. All the stuff you didn’t like in the article was all bullshit and the stuff you did was your lame as “ah ha!”. Typical. You people reason like children.

Let’s pretend, though, that we got rid all the illegals tomorrow. Then what? What the **** do you even think would happen? Wages are just going to magically skyrocket because more white people would have jobs? Are you that stupid?

Let’s pretend, though, that we got rid all the illegals tomorrow. Then what?

Low-skilled American workers would make more money.
Crime would drop. Chicago would save billions currently spent on illegal aliens.
Maybe we could even improve the Chicago Public Schools for the actual citizens.

Wages are just going to magically skyrocket

I know that economics isn't your strong suit...or math...or logic.

Lol crime would barely drop. It’s already been dropping either way. And yeah, wages don’t magically skyrocket. I hope to break it to you.