Do True Believer's Still Cure Leprosy By The Laying On Of Hands?

[waltky]

Irish Ram wrote: Christians aren't under the law.

Granny says, "Dat's right...

... dat's `cause we's under Grace...

... but dat don't mean we's ain't under the 10 Commandments.

 

[The Irish Ram]

That is exactly what it means walt. If you put yourself under the law, then you are obligated to keep all 600+ laws. You are either under the law period, or under grace period. We don't get to pick and choose which of those laws we'll be bound by and which we can overlook. Our salvation does not rest on how well we keep rule #4 or #8 or #18. It rests on how well Christ kept them. We received His righteousness, and He received our sin. That was the exchange that took place on the cross.

 

[hobelim]

That is exactly what it means walt. If you put yourself under the law, then you are obligated to keep all 600+ laws. You are either under the law period, or under grace period. We don't get to pick and choose which of those laws we'll be bound by and which we can overlook. Our salvation does not rest on how well we keep rule #4 or #8 or #18. It rests on how well Christ kept them.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever sets aside even the least of the laws demands and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-20

Jesus came to teach and demonstrate the only right way to understand and comply with the divine commands that results in the promise of life fulfilled for all those who receive his teaching and do it.

If you do not accept this teaching about the figurative nature and hidden subjects of the law, and conform to it accordingly, eat his flesh and drink his blood, you cannot have the life promised for obedience to the law in you and cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Even if Jesus received that teaching from God and fulfilled it, you cannot have the life promised for obedience to the law in you unless you do it..

"I have set an example for you to follow." John 13:15


To understand what Jesus meant by saying, 'anyone who sets aside even the least of the laws demands and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven', see Genesis 3:14

 

[The Irish Ram]

He fulfilled the law and left us with a new covenant. Here are His new rules: Love your Father and each other. Do that and you have fulfilled the law.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

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[aris2chat]

That is exactly what it means walt. If you put yourself under the law, then you are obligated to keep all 600+ laws. You are either under the law period, or under grace period. We don't get to pick and choose which of those laws we'll be bound by and which we can overlook. Our salvation does not rest on how well we keep rule #4 or #8 or #18. It rests on how well Christ kept them. We received His righteousness, and He received our sin. That was the exchange that took place on the cross.

Many of those no longer apply since they were related to the temple. They are 613 mitzvots not laws. At least twenty of them have to do with food. Many others have to do with courts and justice proceeding.

 

[The Irish Ram]

There are moral laws, civic laws, dietary laws... and no where in the Bible does it say that the Jews get a pass if the Temple is destroyed. That is their problem. Not God's.

End time prophesy predicts that the Temple will be rebuilt and the Jews will return to sacrificing. Here is the thing. Those laws were given to a particular group of people for a particular time. If God wanted to be our judge he would have given those commandments to Adam, then sat in judgement. Instead, He is our loving Father who forgives us WHILE we are in the act of sinning. Unless you WANT to put your self under the Law. Then He has no choice but to put on His judgment robe. Christ is our sacrifice for sin, God already judged our sins at the cross. That act enabled God to be our loving Abba again, having already forgiven those who accept the work Christ did on our behalf. It's a gift.

The exodus is a perfect example of God vs. Judge. God didn't want to judge the Jews. He was their Father, forgiving them while they whined and supply their needs while they bemoaned. Not one was judged during the beginning of that trip. Not one died. Right up to the second they told Him they could keep any law He had. Before they were even given the first one, they were breaking the first one. And as is still the case, with Law comes the Court of Law. God put His robe on, and those same Jews started dropping like flies.