CDZ Do Sanctions Actually Work?

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Do sanctions actually work?

In my personal opinion I do not believe they work. Sanctions against countries like North Korea or Iran have never really worked because of the fact that countries like China and Russia never work with the world community to enforce those sanctions and poorer countries ignore the sanctions too to do business with countries like Iran for their natural resources.

Also with countries like Russia sanctions don't work because of the fact countries like China, North Korea, Iran and poorer nations will ignore the sanctions.

So what do you have to say?

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[The Great Goose]

They are too incite the people to overthrow the ruler.

in North Korea, they wouldnt even know there is a sanction, so it wont hapen there. For all they know, the rest of the world is far more hellish.

 

[320 Years of History]

What outcome do you perceive be the aim of sanctions? Is that outcome in line with what they are in fact intended to do?

It's been shown that the point of sanctions is to serve as an intermediate step, rather than armed conflict, in the process of arriving at a diplomatic solution, a tool used to avert war. To that end, they appear to work.

• Sanctions in International Relations
• Effectiveness Of Economic Sanctions: Empirical Research Revisited

Sanctions have also been evaluated on a comparative basis in examining the effectiveness of U.S. sanctions and those of EU countries. The U.S. sanctions were found to be effective. The concessions obtained from the Iranian leadership after the tightening of autonomous US and EU sanctions since 2010 testified to the effectiveness of sanctions affecting trade and especially the financial sector. Moreover, the studies noted above, as have others, found that when and where sanctions are used, along with their extent, has a material impact on whether they are effective.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

They are too incite the people to overthrow the ruler.

in North Korea, they wouldnt even know there is a sanction, so it wont hapen there. For all they know, the rest of the world is far more hellish.

Alright, take Cuba and it make me wonder how well did those sanctions work?

USSR backing the government of Cuba until it collapse so out sanctions did little to overthrow the Castro Regime.

Iran...

Like you pointed out North Korea...

Syria...

Or even Russia...

So what is the real point in doing sanctions?

 

[The Great Goose]

They are too incite the people to overthrow the ruler.

in North Korea, they wouldnt even know there is a sanction, so it wont hapen there. For all they know, the rest of the world is far more hellish.

Alright, take Cuba and it make me wonder how well did those sanctions work?

USSR backing the government of Cuba until it collapse so out sanctions did little to overthrow the Castro Regime.

Iran...

Like you pointed out North Korea...

Syria...

Or even Russia...

So what is the real point in doing sanctions?

None that i can see right now. Maybe it can bankrupt the regime? Its pretty much a seige but its too big and loose so the besieged scrape by indefinately.

 

[Muhammed]

Yes. economic and military sanctions are effective. There's really no doubt about that in my opinion.

However, what effect they have is a two-edged sword.

 

[Dale Smith]

This may not win me many friends but I have to say this....USA.INC doesn't have ANY moral high ground on which to stand. USA.INC has been a conduit using the unsuspecting patriot American to push an agenda that has destroyed the sovereignty and duly elected governments of a butt load of countries that served their geo-political interests. They have used our military might to make certain problem countries 'compliant" that had resources that they coveted. America spreads "democracy"?? Seriously? First off, democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what's for dinner....#2 USA.INC has installed some of the most oppressive despots on earth in regions that "played ball". #3 USA.INC is the guiltiest of things that they have accused other countries or factions of doing...like terrorist false flag attacks...don't believe me? Google "Operation Gladio".

 

[Muhammed]

Would Japan have attacked Pearl Harbor if the US did not hit Japan with economic sanctions while at the same time arming China via the Lend-Lease act?

 

[Dale Smith]

Would Japan have attacked Pearl Harbor if the US did not hit Japan with economic sanctions while at the same time arming China via the Lend-Lease act?

BINGO! And then they stopped supporting China's government and were complicit in helping Mao Tse Tung's rise to power......un-friggin-real.

 

[The Great Goose]

The US government is slimey.

 

[Muhammed]

Economic sanctions are employed to weaken a country as a prelude to military war.

 

[Muhammed]

The US government is slimey.

Correction

The US Democratic party is slimey.

 

[320 Years of History]

They are too incite the people to overthrow the ruler.

in North Korea, they wouldnt even know there is a sanction, so it wont hapen there. For all they know, the rest of the world is far more hellish.

Alright, take Cuba and it make me wonder how well did those sanctions work?

USSR backing the government of Cuba until it collapse so out sanctions did little to overthrow the Castro Regime.

Iran...

Like you pointed out North Korea...

Syria...

Or even Russia...

So what is the real point in doing sanctions?

Red:
Believe it or not, though many Americans will threaten revolt upon losing access to what to they are necessities, to the rest of the world, those things are rightly recognized as conveniences and losing them as a consequence of foreign sanctions, though not pleasant, hardly inspires domestic revolt.

How well Cuban sanctions worked depends on what those sanctions were intended to achieve. Clearly behavioral modifications as extreme as effecting the popular overthrow of an entrenched government isn't among the things sanctions are likely to do. That was well understood before anyone ever levied sanctions in modern times. Why would anyone with half a brain impose sanctions with that as the goal? If a nation sanctioned the U.S., would that make you more or less committed to the existing U.S. policy paradigm?

Studies show that sanctions don't weaken public support for their governments enough to effect regime change. So, if someone actually thinks the point of sanctions is to effect regime change, when regime change doesn't occur, the problem is that individual's flawed/overwrought expectations, not the sanctions' failure effect regime change. The same misguided lines of thought occurs among the general public as go most things economic.

The blame for that lies in two places:

• The political leaders who propose and advertize sanctions as tools for effecting regime change -- The fault lies here because those leaders, even if they didn't understand it on their own, have on their staffs people who do, yet those leaders nonetheless used their popularity, political capital, etc. to convince the general public that the sanctions might achieve something they simply cannot.
• The general public -- The fault lies here because far too few people actually have any formal education in even the basics of economics (what appears today as collegiate level micro, macro, and two other course to supplement the content of those two survey classes...note the same content can and is also taught in high schools), never mind how many of them actually master the topic by doing well in it and/or taking advanced economics classes that address in gory detail the nuances beyond the basics. As a consequence of their lack of formal instruction, and that much that has been predicted and proven by economics theory doesn't lend itself to "common sense," people are easily misled by politicians who are less than forthright in their depictions of matters pertaining to economics, quite simply because they don't know any better.
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[Elvis Obama]

If the major powers could agree about anything, if they could conceive of a world order in which their interests were mutually served, then sanctions would be pretty effective. As long as there's a haven for rogue countries, people who are willing to take advantage of the opportunities a lawless state presents for making profit, then even an ISIS can plug themselves into the black market and make ends meet, for a time, anyway.

Never underestimate the willingness of despots to pass suffering along to their own people. Far too few sanctions are targeted at the "elite" of a society.

 

[FA_Q2]

Economic sanctions are employed to weaken a country as a prelude to military war.

And here is the essence of how they work.

Sanctions weaken an enemy drastically. In that sense they work quite well. The nation in question either modifies behavior to something that is more in line with our mutual national interests or it suffers and weakens. Both routs that the nation in question takes are essentially are good for the US - either in having weaker enemies or friendly nations that cooperate with our interests on the international stage.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Sanctions don't work if the country in question has a mad man in charge. Said person will always find a way to beat the sanction enough to provide for him and his protectors, and they don't give a shit about the rest of the population so making them do without is no threat to him//her.

This has been proven time and time again.

 

[Sunni Man]

Sanctions brought down the apartheid South African government. ......

 

[TNHarley]

Good point. Lets drop the UN and NATO and quit fighting for their globalism and enriching the rich.

 

[320 Years of History]

I'm not sure where this discussion is actually supposed to go....sanctions work as well or as poorly as do laws, corporate policies, household rules, etc. and penalties that apply to individuals. Sanctions are nothing other than rules and punitive measures applied to nation states rather than persons. In the presence of laws and rules various motivated characters will connive and/or collude to circumvent them just as countries will, but most (hopefully) will not. To the extent most heed the proscriptions, the sanctions work.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

I'm not sure where this discussion is actually supposed to go....sanctions work as well or as poorly as do laws, corporate policies, household rules, etc. and penalties that apply to individuals. Sanctions are nothing other than rules and punitive measures applied to nation states rather than persons. In the presence of laws and rules various motivated characters will connive and/or collude to circumvent them just as countries will, but most (hopefully) will not. To the extent most heed the proscriptions, the sanctions work.

Not QUITE the same, in fact let's compare sanctions to being on probation. About the same difference. If you violate probation the likelyhood is you're going to be sent to jail. That's some incentive not to further violate the law. If you violate sanctions, what happens? Oh that's right, more sanctions. If you weren't worried about the first sanctions, it is doubtful you'll be worried about the second, or 12th sanctions.

Sanctions are like telling your child that if misbehaves one more time you're going to spank him, then never following up.

Now, if occasionally when we caught a nation violating sanctions we randomly bombed one of their military facilities or something, then yes sanctions might work, but our policy of "don't violate these sanctions, or there will be more sanctions" doesn't work.