Do republican voters even have a solution to healthcare?

[Billy000]

It bewilders me why you think private industry should be in charge of our healthcare. It makes our system a for profit motive.

Stopped reading there. The agricultural system is also private industry. By this guy's logic everything should be government owned. No surprises there, he's a communist... and don't we all know how that works out?

Ticket to Venezuela would be a great gift... to this country.

No, actually. I just think private industry should not run certain government services. I don't all advocate for getting rid of the free market

So, then by your own admission you have a terrible argument, first thing we have come to an agreement about yet.

No, you're just not smart enough to see a nuanced perspective.

By nuanced you must mean illogical, stupid perspective.

USA is 20 trillions in debt and has a other 120 trillions in unfunded liabilities, your idea is a fairy-tale either way. We can't even pay for the old government free shit stupidity, let alone for any new "brilliant ideas". There is some "nuance" for you.

If you wonder how well this government system would work, you need to do no more than look at how the old programs are run. A disaster in every front. Free market voluntary solutions guarantee the best outcomes, frothing for free shit at everyone else's expense gets no one anywhere.

Read my last reply to Pumpkin and you'll realize how dumb you'll feel for putting so much blind faith in the free market.

 

[Norman]

Stopped reading there. The agricultural system is also private industry. By this guy's logic everything should be government owned. No surprises there, he's a communist... and don't we all know how that works out?

Ticket to Venezuela would be a great gift... to this country.

No, actually. I just think private industry should not run certain government services. I don't all advocate for getting rid of the free market

So, then by your own admission you have a terrible argument, first thing we have come to an agreement about yet.

No, you're just not smart enough to see a nuanced perspective.

By nuanced you must mean illogical, stupid perspective.

USA is 20 trillions in debt and has a other 120 trillions in unfunded liabilities, your idea is a fairy-tale either way. We can't even pay for the old government free shit stupidity, let alone for any new "brilliant ideas". There is some "nuance" for you.

If you wonder how well this government system would work, you need to do no more than look at how the old programs are run. A disaster in every front. Free market voluntary solutions guarantee the best outcomes, frothing for free shit at everyone else's expense gets no one anywhere.

Read my last reply to Pumpkin and you'll realize how dumb you'll feel for putting so much blind faith in the free market.

Actually I read only about your endless yearning for free shit, taken from the hard working. Voluntary/free markets are the solution, not government coercion... but only to those who don't need to steal.

 

[Billy000]

No, actually. I just think private industry should not run certain government services. I don't all advocate for getting rid of the free market

So, then by your own admission you have a terrible argument, first thing we have come to an agreement about yet.

No, you're just not smart enough to see a nuanced perspective.

By nuanced you must mean illogical, stupid perspective.

USA is 20 trillions in debt and has a other 120 trillions in unfunded liabilities, your idea is a fairy-tale either way. We can't even pay for the old government free shit stupidity, let alone for any new "brilliant ideas". There is some "nuance" for you.

If you wonder how well this government system would work, you need to do no more than look at how the old programs are run. A disaster in every front. Free market voluntary solutions guarantee the best outcomes, frothing for free shit at everyone else's expense gets no one anywhere.

Read my last reply to Pumpkin and you'll realize how dumb you'll feel for putting so much blind faith in the free market.

Actually I read only about your endless yearning for free shit, taken from the hard working. Voluntary/free markets are the solution, not government coercion... but only to those who don't need to steal.

So you missed the part about how terrible the private industry is at running our healthcare system?

 

[Norman]

So, then by your own admission you have a terrible argument, first thing we have come to an agreement about yet.

No, you're just not smart enough to see a nuanced perspective.

By nuanced you must mean illogical, stupid perspective.

USA is 20 trillions in debt and has a other 120 trillions in unfunded liabilities, your idea is a fairy-tale either way. We can't even pay for the old government free shit stupidity, let alone for any new "brilliant ideas". There is some "nuance" for you.

If you wonder how well this government system would work, you need to do no more than look at how the old programs are run. A disaster in every front. Free market voluntary solutions guarantee the best outcomes, frothing for free shit at everyone else's expense gets no one anywhere.

Read my last reply to Pumpkin and you'll realize how dumb you'll feel for putting so much blind faith in the free market.

Actually I read only about your endless yearning for free shit, taken from the hard working. Voluntary/free markets are the solution, not government coercion... but only to those who don't need to steal.

So you missed the part about how terrible the private industry is at running our healthcare system?

According to you anyone/anything that doesn't provide you with an endless fountain of free shit is terrible.

The current system is bad not because of the free voluntary market, but because the government coercion. In fact, it's as good as it is (the best care in the world), because of the free market.

 

[Billy000]

No, you're just not smart enough to see a nuanced perspective.

By nuanced you must mean illogical, stupid perspective.

USA is 20 trillions in debt and has a other 120 trillions in unfunded liabilities, your idea is a fairy-tale either way. We can't even pay for the old government free shit stupidity, let alone for any new "brilliant ideas". There is some "nuance" for you.

If you wonder how well this government system would work, you need to do no more than look at how the old programs are run. A disaster in every front. Free market voluntary solutions guarantee the best outcomes, frothing for free shit at everyone else's expense gets no one anywhere.

Read my last reply to Pumpkin and you'll realize how dumb you'll feel for putting so much blind faith in the free market.

Actually I read only about your endless yearning for free shit, taken from the hard working. Voluntary/free markets are the solution, not government coercion... but only to those who don't need to steal.

So you missed the part about how terrible the private industry is at running our healthcare system?

According to you anyone/anything that doesn't provide you with an endless fountain of free shit is terrible.

The current system is bad not because of the free voluntary market, but because the government coercion. In fact, it's as good as it is (the best care in the world), because of the free market.

No, see you're just falling back on the "liberals just want free shit" line because 1) it makes you feel superior/manly and 2) because you don't actually know how to argue with a liberal. We go way over your head. As you can see, the actual content of my post is about how terrible the private industry is at running our healthcare system. Your blind faith in it will not allow you to see it for what it is. I'm not even talking about "free shit" when I am explaining to you how terrible our current healthcare system is.

So no, there is no objective data that supports your tired assumption our healthcare system is the best in the world.

 

[Norman]

By nuanced you must mean illogical, stupid perspective.

USA is 20 trillions in debt and has a other 120 trillions in unfunded liabilities, your idea is a fairy-tale either way. We can't even pay for the old government free shit stupidity, let alone for any new "brilliant ideas". There is some "nuance" for you.

If you wonder how well this government system would work, you need to do no more than look at how the old programs are run. A disaster in every front. Free market voluntary solutions guarantee the best outcomes, frothing for free shit at everyone else's expense gets no one anywhere.

Read my last reply to Pumpkin and you'll realize how dumb you'll feel for putting so much blind faith in the free market.

Actually I read only about your endless yearning for free shit, taken from the hard working. Voluntary/free markets are the solution, not government coercion... but only to those who don't need to steal.

So you missed the part about how terrible the private industry is at running our healthcare system?

According to you anyone/anything that doesn't provide you with an endless fountain of free shit is terrible.

The current system is bad not because of the free voluntary market, but because the government coercion. In fact, it's as good as it is (the best care in the world), because of the free market.

No, see you're just falling back on the "liberals just want free shit" line because 1) it makes you feel superior/manly and 2) because you don't actually know how to argue with a liberal. We go way over your head. As you can see, the actual content of my post is about how terrible the private industry is at running our healthcare system. Your blind faith in it will not allow you to see it for what it is. I'm not even talking about "free shit" when I am explaining to you how terrible our current healthcare system is.

So no, there is no objective data that supports your tired assumption our healthcare system is the best in the world.

It does go a bit over my head how someone manages to be this STUPID. Also me not wanting to forcibly take or "redistribute" the work of others, absolutely makes me superior and more manly. (Only a girly wimp would want that).

Anyway, nothing in what you said refutes anything what I said. Free market is superior in running everything, including health care. Of course, the liberals have destroyed the free market in health care, which is why it's as bad as it is (although, America has the best care in the world).

Once again, the only reason you oppose the great free market, is because you want free shit taken from other people. There is zero evidence that you have any clue on how to provide efficient anything to anyone. That would be all.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Infrastructure, that's a false parallel you're drawing. The government typically takes care of infrastructure, which healthcare is not. Food Stamps also is not infrastructure, the difference here is that what the government is doing when implementing these programs is redistributing people's wealth to others, who it decided need it more.

I'd like you to show me evidence of children being the majority on Food Stamps.

Can you explain to me how not having a thing, entitles a person to someone else's money paying for that thing? What do you think entitles a person to another's hard earned money?

Also, hey Billy, it's really nice to see you<3

It's not a false parallel as to the point I was trying to make. Conservatives don't want to pay for other people's healthcare, but they are already beneficiaries of other people's tax revenue. The socialist aspect of single payer wouid be no different than the broad government programs we already have such as infrastructure.

What I said about children being the most on food stamps was inaccurate. What i meant to say is that most people on food stamps are dependents.

This article breaks it down:

Who Uses Food Stamps? Millions of Children - NBC News

45% of those on food stamps are children.
An additional 20% are those who are disabled and those over 60 years old.

And it's good to hear from you too Pumpkin!

I suppose I should rephrase my first point. Infrastructure is the physical and organizational structures needed for society. In other words, roads, courthouses, military, etc. What you're mentioning as 'the right' being okay with using are defined as infrastructure. These are not things that are used by individuals, but by absolutely everyone. Defining healthcare or food stamps as the same thing because tax dollars would fund them is drawing a false parallel, because those are things people buy for themselves, and are not considered infrastructure, because they are neither a physical or organizational structure needed for society.

Thank you for linking a source.

You also didn't answer my question, so I'll try phrasing it another way. When do you think one person is entitled to another's money?

Yes, not everyone benefits from food stamps, but everyone would benefit from single payer. I was defending food stamps as a separate issue because of most of the people who benefit from it. I was drawing a connection between single payer to infrastructure because if we had a single payer system, everyone would benefit from it like we do with our infrastructure system. Our infrastructure system is no less socialist than a would-be single payer system.

I'm not sure how to answer your question. I'm guessing you are using food stamps as an example. My answer would simply be my own philosophical opinion which is that we as a so ciety should help those who are most vulnerable. Vulnerable as in they cannot help themselves. Now sure, a decent chunk of people who are on food stamps are able bodid working people. I justify giving them food stamps because of the economy we live in. It's currently impossible for EVERY working adult to find a decent paying job that they can support themselves on. I know it sounds possible, but because low wage jobs greatly outnumber higher wage jobs, it is literally impossible.

Not everyone would benefit from Single Payer, in fact, nobody would benefit from Single Payer. It turns the Healthcare industry into a monopoly, and the government is always proven to be less efficient with money usage. For example, our current debt. Taxes would go up, our debt would go up, and our coverage would go down, because unlike with businesses, our only choice is the government, and even if other options were allowed, everyone would always be paying for it.

Actually, infrastructure is not Socialist. I think we've had that discussion before. For a system to be Socialist, the means of production must be Socially controlled, and infrastructure is not a means of production.

I'm not referring to food stamps, I'm talking in general. Food Stamps would be an example, but that's only one form of Federal Aid that steals from people to give to those who the Government views as more deserving, or in greater need. Sure, a person should willingly help someone in need, but but if the government is using their tax money to help someone else, that's not willing. That's why I worded it as "Entitled". When is one person entitled to another person's money?

It bewilders me why you think private industry should be in charge of our healthcare. It makes our system a for profit motive. Let me give you an example: drug prices in the US are astronomical. Why? It isn't because of government red tape as Fox News wouid tell you, it's because greedy mofos make a profit off of drugs people have no choice but to buy. How do I know it isn't because of government red tape? Because those same drugs are sold in other countries by the same companies yet they are a fraction of the price. This is because those governments make it a condition that those drugs have price caps if those companies sell them to their citizens. This makes them accessible to the consumers in those countries. The US spends more per capita on healthcare than any other nation on earth because of that corporate greed.

Take another example of health insurance premiums and deductibles. People pay hundreds of dollars a month for their plan. Where is the incentive for the insurance company to not charge them a high deductible? Or deny certain services like pre-existing conditions? Limiting that stuff results in huge proits for the health insurance company.

Now would a single payer system be perfect? Hell no, but at least it would still be adequate in many ways in comparison to greedy corporations calling all the shots.

Any government program paid for by tax revenue is an example of socialism. It's that simple. Socialism is defined by public ownership. The public pays for these services therefore they own them.

And yes, my personal philosophy is that people must be forced to help those who can't help themselves.

Because profit is the most honest motive. To make a profit, you need consumers. To have consumers, you need an attractive product at an attractive price, ones that are more attractive than your competitors. Naturally, however, government involvement has prevented our market from being free for decades, rendering competition near-nonexistent. A perfect example would be the system we had before Obamacare, and the system we have now, both of which are considered less than optimal due to the lack of competition. With the government in control of that industry, it would be close to the same, but even worse, it would make the government a monopoly, which forces the consumers to pay even if they don't use the product.

Of course it's because of corporate greed. Corporate greed using the government's power to strangle out competition SO the prices can be jacked up to astronomical prices. Of course, if the government had no power, that power could not be bought.

Limiting consumers results in huge profits? Last I checked, you need customers to get money from said customers. If they don't want their customers, their competition certainly does. Of course, in our previous system, regulations prevented much competition, making it little better than what we have now.

It wouldn't be adequate, it would be a system that made the government a monopoly that can force you to pay without even buying or using the product. Not only does everyone pay for those who do need it, but they would pay for those who don't, continuously, through their entire lives, and the government would STILL go even further into debt.

It's not, because to be Socialist, it requires Social control of the means of production. Without that, it's simply expanded government power. It's called Socialism because it's defined by that Social control, and without it, it's simply a pretender, if even that. By your logic, even if a government existed and had no power over anything but creating the basic laws, and was still funded by taxes, it would be Socialist. Hell, any government would be inherently Socialist, even if it did nothing. You're way oversimplifying that concept, yet overcomplicating it at well.

In that case, in your ideal world, the government would decide who gives their money to who, and would not need a reason. The government would be free to decide who could and could not help themselves, and free will would be taken out of the equation completely. Joseph Stalin had that kind of power. Would you feel comfortable with Donald Trump being able to make that decision? How much power over Healthcare would you like him to have?

 

[francoHFW]

No, actually. I just think private industry should not run certain government services. I don't all advocate for getting rid of the free market

So, then by your own admission you have a terrible argument, first thing we have come to an agreement about yet.

No, you're just not smart enough to see a nuanced perspective.

By nuanced you must mean illogical, stupid perspective.

USA is 20 trillions in debt and has a other 120 trillions in unfunded liabilities, your idea is a fairy-tale either way. We can't even pay for the old government free shit stupidity, let alone for any new "brilliant ideas". There is some "nuance" for you.

If you wonder how well this government system would work, you need to do no more than look at how the old programs are run. A disaster in every front. Free market voluntary solutions guarantee the best outcomes, frothing for free shit at everyone else's expense gets no one anywhere.

Read my last reply to Pumpkin and you'll realize how dumb you'll feel for putting so much blind faith in the free

Read my last reply to Pumpkin and you'll realize how dumb you'll feel for putting so much blind faith in the free market.

Actually I read only about your endless yearning for free shit, taken from the hard working. Voluntary/free markets are the solution, not government coercion... but only to those who don't need to steal.

So you missed the part about how terrible the private industry is at running our healthcare system?

According to you anyone/anything that doesn't provide you with an endless fountain of free shit is terrible.

The current system is bad not because of the free voluntary market, but because the government coercion. In fact, it's as good as it is (the best care in the world), because of the free market.

No, see you're just falling back on the "liberals just want free shit" line because 1) it makes you feel superior/manly and 2) because you don't actually know how to argue with a liberal. We go way over your head. As you can see, the actual content of my post is about how terrible the private industry is at running our healthcare system. Your blind faith in it will not allow you to see it for what it is. I'm not even talking about "free shit" when I am explaining to you how terrible our current healthcare system is.

So no, there is no objective data that supports your tired assumption our healthcare system is the best in the world.

It does go a bit over my head how someone manages to be this STUPID. Also me not wanting to forcibly take or "redistribute" the work of others, absolutely makes me superior and more manly. (Only a girly wimp would want that).

Anyway, nothing in what you said refutes anything what I said. Free market is superior in running everything, including health care. Of course, the liberals have destroyed the free market in health care, which is why it's as bad as it is (although, America has the best care in the world).

Once again, the only reason you oppose the great free market, is because you want free shit taken from other people. There is zero evidence that you have any clue on how to provide efficient anything to anyone. That would be all.

.

The free market is what we had before ACA- ridiculous costs, scams, cutoffs and 45k dying of no insurance a year..

 

[Spare_change]

We know they hate ACA and the idea of single payer. Does that mean they think our healthcare system was decent before ACA? Are they that stupid? It was definitely a complete joke prior to ACA. It's not like they could point to any objective facts to say otherwise. It makes me wonder what their philosophy is.

Frankly, I don't think they are smart enough to understand healthcare policy, but it would be adorable if they think they have an idea of what's best.

You've heard it 100 times, and have ignored it each time .. if you were told another 100 times, you would still ignore it and pretend there was nothing.

I can see no reason to expend the energy on an idiot.

 

[Norman]

So, then by your own admission you have a terrible argument, first thing we have come to an agreement about yet.

No, you're just not smart enough to see a nuanced perspective.

By nuanced you must mean illogical, stupid perspective.

USA is 20 trillions in debt and has a other 120 trillions in unfunded liabilities, your idea is a fairy-tale either way. We can't even pay for the old government free shit stupidity, let alone for any new "brilliant ideas". There is some "nuance" for you.

If you wonder how well this government system would work, you need to do no more than look at how the old programs are run. A disaster in every front. Free market voluntary solutions guarantee the best outcomes, frothing for free shit at everyone else's expense gets no one anywhere.

Read my last reply to Pumpkin and you'll realize how dumb you'll feel for putting so much blind faith in the free

According to you anyone/anything that doesn't provide you with an endless fountain of free shit is terrible.

The current system is bad not because of the free voluntary market, but because the government coercion. In fact, it's as good as it is (the best care in the world), because of the free market.

No, see you're just falling back on the "liberals just want free shit" line because 1) it makes you feel superior/manly and 2) because you don't actually know how to argue with a liberal. We go way over your head. As you can see, the actual content of my post is about how terrible the private industry is at running our healthcare system. Your blind faith in it will not allow you to see it for what it is. I'm not even talking about "free shit" when I am explaining to you how terrible our current healthcare system is.

So no, there is no objective data that supports your tired assumption our healthcare system is the best in the world.

It does go a bit over my head how someone manages to be this STUPID. Also me not wanting to forcibly take or "redistribute" the work of others, absolutely makes me superior and more manly. (Only a girly wimp would want that).

Anyway, nothing in what you said refutes anything what I said. Free market is superior in running everything, including health care. Of course, the liberals have destroyed the free market in health care, which is why it's as bad as it is (although, America has the best care in the world).

Once again, the only reason you oppose the great free market, is because you want free shit taken from other people. There is zero evidence that you have any clue on how to provide efficient anything to anyone. That would be all.

.

The free market is what we had before ACA- ridiculous costs, scams, cutoffs and 45k dying of no insurance a year..

We didn't... but yet still it was far better than the obamacare disaster - and now we are wasting even more tax payer money, too!

Maybe don't let these guys craft any more "solutions"?

 

[Ame®icano]

So, then by your own admission you have a terrible argument, first thing we have come to an agreement about yet.

No, you're just not smart enough to see a nuanced perspective.

By nuanced you must mean illogical, stupid perspective.

USA is 20 trillions in debt and has a other 120 trillions in unfunded liabilities, your idea is a fairy-tale either way. We can't even pay for the old government free shit stupidity, let alone for any new "brilliant ideas". There is some "nuance" for you.

If you wonder how well this government system would work, you need to do no more than look at how the old programs are run. A disaster in every front. Free market voluntary solutions guarantee the best outcomes, frothing for free shit at everyone else's expense gets no one anywhere.

Read my last reply to Pumpkin and you'll realize how dumb you'll feel for putting so much blind faith in the free

According to you anyone/anything that doesn't provide you with an endless fountain of free shit is terrible.

The current system is bad not because of the free voluntary market, but because the government coercion. In fact, it's as good as it is (the best care in the world), because of the free market.

No, see you're just falling back on the "liberals just want free shit" line because 1) it makes you feel superior/manly and 2) because you don't actually know how to argue with a liberal. We go way over your head. As you can see, the actual content of my post is about how terrible the private industry is at running our healthcare system. Your blind faith in it will not allow you to see it for what it is. I'm not even talking about "free shit" when I am explaining to you how terrible our current healthcare system is.

So no, there is no objective data that supports your tired assumption our healthcare system is the best in the world.

It does go a bit over my head how someone manages to be this STUPID. Also me not wanting to forcibly take or "redistribute" the work of others, absolutely makes me superior and more manly. (Only a girly wimp would want that).

Anyway, nothing in what you said refutes anything what I said. Free market is superior in running everything, including health care. Of course, the liberals have destroyed the free market in health care, which is why it's as bad as it is (although, America has the best care in the world).

Once again, the only reason you oppose the great free market, is because you want free shit taken from other people. There is zero evidence that you have any clue on how to provide efficient anything to anyone. That would be all.

.

The free market is what we had before ACA- ridiculous costs, scams, cutoffs and 45k dying of no insurance a year..

That's taking point data from 2009 aimed to push for CommieCare.

What data shows today, now that everyone is forced to have a healthcare insurance?

 

[francoHFW]

No, you're just not smart enough to see a nuanced perspective.

By nuanced you must mean illogical, stupid perspective.

USA is 20 trillions in debt and has a other 120 trillions in unfunded liabilities, your idea is a fairy-tale either way. We can't even pay for the old government free shit stupidity, let alone for any new "brilliant ideas". There is some "nuance" for you.

If you wonder how well this government system would work, you need to do no more than look at how the old programs are run. A disaster in every front. Free market voluntary solutions guarantee the best outcomes, frothing for free shit at everyone else's expense gets no one anywhere.

Read my last reply to Pumpkin and you'll realize how dumb you'll feel for putting so much blind faith in the free

No, see you're just falling back on the "liberals just want free shit" line because 1) it makes you feel superior/manly and 2) because you don't actually know how to argue with a liberal. We go way over your head. As you can see, the actual content of my post is about how terrible the private industry is at running our healthcare system. Your blind faith in it will not allow you to see it for what it is. I'm not even talking about "free shit" when I am explaining to you how terrible our current healthcare system is.

So no, there is no objective data that supports your tired assumption our healthcare system is the best in the world.

It does go a bit over my head how someone manages to be this STUPID. Also me not wanting to forcibly take or "redistribute" the work of others, absolutely makes me superior and more manly. (Only a girly wimp would want that).

Anyway, nothing in what you said refutes anything what I said. Free market is superior in running everything, including health care. Of course, the liberals have destroyed the free market in health care, which is why it's as bad as it is (although, America has the best care in the world).

Once again, the only reason you oppose the great free market, is because you want free shit taken from other people. There is zero evidence that you have any clue on how to provide efficient anything to anyone. That would be all.

.

The free market is what we had before ACA- ridiculous costs, scams, cutoffs and 45k dying of no insurance a year..

We didn't... but yet still it was far better than the obamacare disaster - and now we are wasting even more tax payer money, too!

Maybe don't let these guys craft any more "solutions"?

That's was how we got to these ridiculous costs that you now see in truth, because the scams are gone, and not covering those with pre-conditions.

 

[francoHFW]

No, you're just not smart enough to see a nuanced perspective.

By nuanced you must mean illogical, stupid perspective.

USA is 20 trillions in debt and has a other 120 trillions in unfunded liabilities, your idea is a fairy-tale either way. We can't even pay for the old government free shit stupidity, let alone for any new "brilliant ideas". There is some "nuance" for you.

If you wonder how well this government system would work, you need to do no more than look at how the old programs are run. A disaster in every front. Free market voluntary solutions guarantee the best outcomes, frothing for free shit at everyone else's expense gets no one anywhere.

Read my last reply to Pumpkin and you'll realize how dumb you'll feel for putting so much blind faith in the free

No, see you're just falling back on the "liberals just want free shit" line because 1) it makes you feel superior/manly and 2) because you don't actually know how to argue with a liberal. We go way over your head. As you can see, the actual content of my post is about how terrible the private industry is at running our healthcare system. Your blind faith in it will not allow you to see it for what it is. I'm not even talking about "free shit" when I am explaining to you how terrible our current healthcare system is.

So no, there is no objective data that supports your tired assumption our healthcare system is the best in the world.

It does go a bit over my head how someone manages to be this STUPID. Also me not wanting to forcibly take or "redistribute" the work of others, absolutely makes me superior and more manly. (Only a girly wimp would want that).

Anyway, nothing in what you said refutes anything what I said. Free market is superior in running everything, including health care. Of course, the liberals have destroyed the free market in health care, which is why it's as bad as it is (although, America has the best care in the world).

Once again, the only reason you oppose the great free market, is because you want free shit taken from other people. There is zero evidence that you have any clue on how to provide efficient anything to anyone. That would be all.

.

The free market is what we had before ACA- ridiculous costs, scams, cutoffs and 45k dying of no insurance a year..

That's taking point data from 2009 aimed to push for CommieCare.

What data shows today, now that everyone is forced to have a healthcare insurance?

That's over, btw, no more mandate. Data shows improvement, despite sabotage. A start.

 

[Conservative65]

We know they hate ACA and the idea of single payer. Does that mean they think our healthcare system was decent before ACA? Are they that stupid? It was definitely a complete joke prior to ACA. It's not like they could point to any objective facts to say otherwise. It makes me wonder what their philosophy is.

Frankly, I don't think they are smart enough to understand healthcare policy, but it would be adorable if they think they have an idea of what's best.

It was fine for ME before Obamacare.

I have an idea of what's best. I'll provide mine and you can provide it for yourself and any other person of your choosing with your money. If you can't do for yourself or for the others in that situation, tough shit. It's not anyone else's responsibility to take care of your or them. It's your, theirs, or those who choose to do it for them.

 

[Conservative65]

No, but libertarians do.


1. end the mandate to buy overpriced monopoly health insurance
2. expand medical savings account
3 repeal W's socialization of Senior Drugs
4. Dramatically cut/hack/gut MediCare and MedicAid
5. make individuals accountable for their own health
6. cover only catastrophic injury for uninsured
7 force the medical profession to respond to a FREE MARKET by CUTTING PRICES on BASIC SERVICES or lose business/money
8. new law - anyone busted for filing a deliberately false health care claim to Uncle Sam gets the firing squad and total asset forfeiture

lol and how would any of those ideas guarantee the consumer affordable healthcare? Seriously....how?

Why the **** is it anyone else's responsibility to guarantee you or anyone else anything? Why isn't is your place to do for you and others to do for themselves?

 

[dblack]

By nuanced you must mean illogical, stupid perspective.

USA is 20 trillions in debt and has a other 120 trillions in unfunded liabilities, your idea is a fairy-tale either way. We can't even pay for the old government free shit stupidity, let alone for any new "brilliant ideas". There is some "nuance" for you.

If you wonder how well this government system would work, you need to do no more than look at how the old programs are run. A disaster in every front. Free market voluntary solutions guarantee the best outcomes, frothing for free shit at everyone else's expense gets no one anywhere.

Read my last reply to Pumpkin and you'll realize how dumb you'll feel for putting so much blind faith in the free

It does go a bit over my head how someone manages to be this STUPID. Also me not wanting to forcibly take or "redistribute" the work of others, absolutely makes me superior and more manly. (Only a girly wimp would want that).

Anyway, nothing in what you said refutes anything what I said. Free market is superior in running everything, including health care. Of course, the liberals have destroyed the free market in health care, which is why it's as bad as it is (although, America has the best care in the world).

Once again, the only reason you oppose the great free market, is because you want free shit taken from other people. There is zero evidence that you have any clue on how to provide efficient anything to anyone. That would be all.

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The free market is what we had before ACA- ridiculous costs, scams, cutoffs and 45k dying of no insurance a year..

That's taking point data from 2009 aimed to push for CommieCare.

What data shows today, now that everyone is forced to have a healthcare insurance?

That's over, btw, no more mandate. Data shows improvement, despite sabotage. A start.

A foot in the door, or a boot up the ass?

 

[dblack]

No, but libertarians do.


1. end the mandate to buy overpriced monopoly health insurance
2. expand medical savings account
3 repeal W's socialization of Senior Drugs
4. Dramatically cut/hack/gut MediCare and MedicAid
5. make individuals accountable for their own health
6. cover only catastrophic injury for uninsured
7 force the medical profession to respond to a FREE MARKET by CUTTING PRICES on BASIC SERVICES or lose business/money
8. new law - anyone busted for filing a deliberately false health care claim to Uncle Sam gets the firing squad and total asset forfeiture

lol and how would any of those ideas guarantee the consumer affordable healthcare? Seriously....how?

Why the **** is it anyone else's responsibility to guarantee you or anyone else anything? Why isn't is your place to do for you and others to do for themselves?

Because the purpose of government is to make other people do what you want them to do, right?

 

[dblack]

So, then by your own admission you have a terrible argument, first thing we have come to an agreement about yet.

No, you're just not smart enough to see a nuanced perspective.

By nuanced you must mean illogical, stupid perspective.

USA is 20 trillions in debt and has a other 120 trillions in unfunded liabilities, your idea is a fairy-tale either way. We can't even pay for the old government free shit stupidity, let alone for any new "brilliant ideas". There is some "nuance" for you.

If you wonder how well this government system would work, you need to do no more than look at how the old programs are run. A disaster in every front. Free market voluntary solutions guarantee the best outcomes, frothing for free shit at everyone else's expense gets no one anywhere.

Read my last reply to Pumpkin and you'll realize how dumb you'll feel for putting so much blind faith in the free

According to you anyone/anything that doesn't provide you with an endless fountain of free shit is terrible.

The current system is bad not because of the free voluntary market, but because the government coercion. In fact, it's as good as it is (the best care in the world), because of the free market.

No, see you're just falling back on the "liberals just want free shit" line because 1) it makes you feel superior/manly and 2) because you don't actually know how to argue with a liberal. We go way over your head. As you can see, the actual content of my post is about how terrible the private industry is at running our healthcare system. Your blind faith in it will not allow you to see it for what it is. I'm not even talking about "free shit" when I am explaining to you how terrible our current healthcare system is.

So no, there is no objective data that supports your tired assumption our healthcare system is the best in the world.

It does go a bit over my head how someone manages to be this STUPID. Also me not wanting to forcibly take or "redistribute" the work of others, absolutely makes me superior and more manly. (Only a girly wimp would want that).

Anyway, nothing in what you said refutes anything what I said. Free market is superior in running everything, including health care. Of course, the liberals have destroyed the free market in health care, which is why it's as bad as it is (although, America has the best care in the world).

Once again, the only reason you oppose the great free market, is because you want free shit taken from other people. There is zero evidence that you have any clue on how to provide efficient anything to anyone. That would be all.

.

The free market is what we had before ACA- ridiculous costs, scams, cutoffs and 45k dying of no insurance a year..

The primary driver of health care inflation has been "group" insurance. It's never been viable and only lasted as long as it did because it was subsidized by government.

 

[RealDave]

Do republican voters even have a solution to healthcare?

Pay for your own healthcare and stop mooching off me. I'm also not interested in paying for your food, your housing, your toilet paper, toothpaste, booze, drugs, your electric bill, or any of your other bills. Get a job, get two jobs, don't be a sponge.

Other people already pay for your public roads, emergency services, and the people who fight your wars for you. Under single payer, everyone would pay for taxes for it like any other government service.

Think about how many government services you already take advantage for. Your tax contribution alone is a tiny fraction of what's spent per year on those programs. This amounts to trillions per year. Meanwhile, you complain about a program like food stamps that costs 60 billion per year. By the way, the large majority of people on food stamps are children. The disabled and veterans also benefit from that program. Should we just say "**** you" to all those people?

Infrastructure, that's a false parallel you're drawing. The government typically takes care of infrastructure, which healthcare is not. Food Stamps also is not infrastructure, the difference here is that what the government is doing when implementing these programs is redistributing people's wealth to others, who it decided need it more.

I'd like you to show me evidence of children being the majority on Food Stamps.

Can you explain to me how not having a thing, entitles a person to someone else's money paying for that thing? What do you think entitles a person to another's hard earned money?

Also, hey Billy, it's really nice to see you<3

It's not a false parallel as to the point I was trying to make. Conservatives don't want to pay for other people's healthcare, but they are already beneficiaries of other people's tax revenue. The socialist aspect of single payer wouid be no different than the broad government programs we already have such as infrastructure.

What I said about children being the most on food stamps was inaccurate. What i meant to say is that most people on food stamps are dependents.

This article breaks it down:

Who Uses Food Stamps? Millions of Children - NBC News

45% of those on food stamps are children.
An additional 20% are those who are disabled and those over 60 years old.

And it's good to hear from you too Pumpkin!

This is so painfully dumb... My eyes bleed when I read it.

Why not just accept the fact that you made a really stupid analogy? Roads are mostly and sometimes more than paid by gas taxes and taxes that only those who own cars pay. In fact, those who own cars will usually pay more than their share of taxes, which usually end up being funneled to all the usual regressive causes.

Even if this wasn't so I have no idea what you are getting at? Privatize the roads? I have no problem with that, but it's completely outside the topic which was HEALTH CARE, moron.

Government programs are always inefficient as hell.

Medicare is much more efficient than private health insurance.

 

[Flash]

It is not a Republican solution because at the end of the day they are Democrat Light but the only real solution is to get the filthy ass government out of the business of regulating health care. No regulations and no health care subsidies is the only sane course.