Hmm... Okay. So what?The stuff about preserving freedom. Objectively, the law is about bringing to bear collective force.
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Hmm... Okay. So what?The stuff about preserving freedom. Objectively, the law is about bringing to bear collective force.
I get that you don't care that you can't form coherent arguments around property and force but I find it amusing.Hmm... Okay. So what?
I don't care about your vague trolling, that's for sure.I get that you don't care that you can't form coherent arguments around property and force but I find it amusing.![]()
You also don't care about making coherent arguments as your arguments regarding property show.I don't care about your vague trolling, that's for sure.
MkayYou also don't care about making coherent arguments as your arguments regarding property show.
It's right there for everyone to see.Mkay![]()
It's an Elitist Manifesto That Took Away the Common People's Right to Self-DeterminationThe US Constitution was the most progressive document in history. Too bad it means nothing now.
ie "Eat the rich!"It's an Elitist Manifesto That Took Away the Common People's Right to Self-Determination
Slavery Was Punishment. Savages Needed to Be Tamed.Slavery next to murder is about the absolute objectively worse way to preserve freedom and liberty. Do the Founders the decency of not fantasizing about what they wanted and let's simply speak the objective truth of their actions which was liberty for themselves and advantage over others.
There Is No Natural Right to Inheritance. The OP Didn't Dare Say There Was.ie "Eat the rich!"
Do Natural Rights Actually Exist? If they do not then it's all intellectual bs. If they do, what are they? Can and do people who believe natural rights actually exist, agree on them -- what they are and are not?
I often see things similar to this Wikipedia entry:
Natural rights are those that are not dependent on the laws or customs of any particular culture or government, and so are universal, fundamental and inalienable (they cannot be repealed by human laws, though one can forfeit their enjoyment through one's actions, such as by violating someone else's rights).
Do natural rights trump laws? If so...
I would amend that to say that natural rights are not dependent on ordinances or statutes of any governmental body. In other words, statutes are different from law.Do Natural Rights Actually Exist? If they do not then it's all intellectual bs. If they do, what are they? Can and do people who believe natural rights actually exist, agree on them -- what they are and are not?
I often see things similar to this Wikipedia entry:
Natural rights are those that are not dependent on the laws or customs of any particular culture or government, and so are universal, fundamental and inalienable (they cannot be repealed by human laws, though one can forfeit their enjoyment through one's actions, such as by violating someone else's rights).
Do natural rights trump laws? If so...
They exist because we recognize they exist.They "exist" because we say they exist. Nothing more. If humans die, these rights die.
They exist because we have volition.They exist because we recognize they exist.
'Natural rights"Do Natural Rights Actually Exist? If they do not then it's all intellectual bs. If they do, what are they? Can and do people who believe natural rights actually exist, agree on them -- what they are and are not?
I often see things similar to this Wikipedia entry:
Natural rights are those that are not dependent on the laws or customs of any particular culture or government, and so are universal, fundamental and inalienable (they cannot be repealed by human laws, though one can forfeit their enjoyment through one's actions, such as by violating someone else's rights).
Do natural rights trump laws? If so...
Do natural rights trump laws? If so...
Exactly. And the job of government, according to Declaration of Independence, is to secure those rights when there's more than on person on the island.Yes, they are all the rights you would have if you were living on a island in the middle of nowhere all by yourself.
Exactly. And the job of government, according to Declaration of Independence, is to secure those rights when there's more than on person on the island.