Do Federal/State/Local Governments Create Jobs?

[RKMBrown]

Noaa, nws, jpl, nasa, fda, cda, usgs, and nhc are all high paid jobs that do better work than most of the private sector. They're very good jobs.

I am not putting down all the other government jobs that do what we people wish. I am also pro private sector but it has its place.

Sick and tired of hearing your attacks on science and public jobs.

Really? How is their work better than most of the private sector? You do realize that there are private sector think tanks, right?

 

[rightwinger]

Word nit. The government "is" not us. It is from us, funded by some of us, elected by some of us, and staffed by some of us. Big difference. I know exactly what you mean but, the term "is" means the definition of the term follows.

It is not correct to say government creates jobs as if government is separate from "us" which is the implication proffered by some of the folks in the left. For example, the president saying you didn't build that... He implied government built that, not the taxpayers. Maybe he meant you didn't build that by yourself. But that's not how he said it, nor is it how it was taken.

However, you could say we create jobs with our money. We create some great works and some not so great works with out money. That works. Or you could say we create government jobs with our money. That works too.

If you want to say the government doesn't create jobs, We the People create jobs......go for it

Doesn't negate the fact that the government takes money from We the People to provide services. Those services create jobs

It's a government of the People.

If the government doesn't create jobs, then the government doesn't create taxes either.

The government doesn't "create" taxes. Government employees "collect" taxes. Government representatives of the people draft bills that include new types of taxes, and changes of percentage to existing taxes. But that is not creating a tax. It's creating a bill, that includes taxes, the bills when passed are converted to law, which is enforced by different government employees. Again these, representatives and other government employees all work for "us."

Who has ever claimed they don't work for us?

We're talking about taxes. I'm just repeating what we already agreed to, as a description to help carbineer understand why the phrase "government creates taxes" is wrong. It's wrong for the same reason the phrase "the government creates jobs" is wrong. It's wrong because it ignores the part about the taxpayer being the active component.

The government is the representative of the taxpayers. They provide services for the people. Those services create jobs

 

[RKMBrown]

If you want to say the government doesn't create jobs, We the People create jobs......go for it

Doesn't negate the fact that the government takes money from We the People to provide services. Those services create jobs

It's a government of the People.

If the government doesn't create jobs, then the government doesn't create taxes either.

The government doesn't "create" taxes. Government employees "collect" taxes. Government representatives of the people draft bills that include new types of taxes, and changes of percentage to existing taxes. But that is not creating a tax. It's creating a bill, that includes taxes, the bills when passed are converted to law, which is enforced by different government employees. Again these, representatives and other government employees all work for "us."

Who has ever claimed they don't work for us?

We're talking about taxes. I'm just repeating what we already agreed to, as a description to help carbineer understand why the phrase "government creates taxes" is wrong. It's wrong for the same reason the phrase "the government creates jobs" is wrong. It's wrong because it ignores the part about the taxpayer being the active component.

The government is the representative of the taxpayers. They provide services for the people. Those services create jobs

Minor nits and additional detail:

The government includes a group of representatives of the taxpayers. These representatives provide services for the people. Some of those services are associated with creating private sector jobs. For example, one service is to provide a judicial system to arbitrate financial disputes. Without this service the buying and selling of products and services is hindered because the buyers and sellers can be harmed by others.

 

[bripat9643]

The Government is solely "We the People." If the Government "creates jobs" it is with our money. And yes, those Government drones work solely for "We the People."

If they feel they are working for a political party they should be fired immediately.

They are
Government employees are forbidden to represent a political party as per the Hatch Act

That didn't seem to be an obstruction for Lois Lerner.

 

[RKMBrown]

The Government is solely "We the People." If the Government "creates jobs" it is with our money. And yes, those Government drones work solely for "We the People."

If they feel they are working for a political party they should be fired immediately.

They are
Government employees are forbidden to represent a political party as per the Hatch Act

That didn't seem to be an obstruction for Lois Lerner.

Which is why even most democrats we're taken aback by the brazen actions taken by Lois for and/or by her boss. I don't think many democrats are trying to defend Lois and/or Obama using the IRS to attack political opponents. So why did the republicans let this happen?

 

[Lakhota]

Lois Lerner is rich and retired. Go Lois! She made her money more honestly than most preachers.

 

[bripat9643]

Lois Lerner is rich and retired. Go Lois! She made her money more honestly than most preachers.

We're not surprised that you would root for a criminal who helped Obama's tyranny.

 

[Lakhota]

The poll shows that the retards are losing.

 

[rightwinger]

Government funded research has created the Internet, GPS, the microcircuit, Google, medical breakthroughs

Millions upon millions of jobs

 

[bripat9643]

Government funded research has created the Internet, GPS, the microcircuit, Google, medical breakthroughs

Millions upon millions of jobs

The government did not create Google or the microcircuit, and it only played a small part in creating the internet. Most medical breakthroughs have been privately funded.

 

[Redfish]

Government funded research has created the Internet, GPS, the microcircuit, Google, medical breakthroughs

Millions upon millions of jobs

yes, it has. So what? Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Steve Jobs, Warren Buffet. Those 6 guys created more jobs than all the governments in the world.

 

[Camp]

Lois Lerner is rich and retired. Go Lois! She made her money more honestly than most preachers.

We're not surprised that you would root for a criminal who helped Obama's tyranny.

We're? How many delusional little boogers of you are there? Are you speaking for the voices in your head?

 

[bripat9643]

Lois Lerner is rich and retired. Go Lois! She made her money more honestly than most preachers.

We're not surprised that you would root for a criminal who helped Obama's tyranny.

We're? How many delusional little boogers of you are there? Are you speaking for the voices in your head?

I'm speaking for the rational people in this forum who aren't kewl with the IRS terrorizing American citizens.

 

[Camp]

Lois Lerner is rich and retired. Go Lois! She made her money more honestly than most preachers.

We're not surprised that you would root for a criminal who helped Obama's tyranny.

We're? How many delusional little boogers of you are there? Are you speaking for the voices in your head?

I'm speaking for the rational people in this forum who aren't kewl with the IRS terrorizing American citizens.

Lets hope ISIS and al Qaeda don't learn about the terrorist tactic of investigating tax loophole applications. That would shake the country and cause panic and cause all kinds of grief. It would be as you call it, "terrorizing American citizens".

 

[NYcarbineer]

Government funded research has created the Internet, GPS, the microcircuit, Google, medical breakthroughs

Millions upon millions of jobs

yes, it has. So what? Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Steve Jobs, Warren Buffet. Those 6 guys created more jobs than all the governments in the world.

Really?

More people have worked at Ford motors in the last 100 years than have served in the US military?

Are you sure about that?

 

[kaz]

I've heard many GOPers say they don't. However, I feel strongly that they do. All one has to do is think about it for a minute and the answer should become obvious. However, the biggest job creators are consumers with money to spend.

That's what's wrong, you "think about it for a minute" and go with the obvious and wrong answer. Liberalism in a nutshell, not thinking things through. An ideology which is well intentioned and poorly conceived.

What is evident if you actually think it through rather than cut off thinking in one minute is that all money spent by government was removed from the economy. That means every job created destroyed one and no job was created.

Then if you continue to think about it, you realize that government creates nothing. You took the money to fund the job from someone who used it to create a profit and grow the economy. Now you realize that every government job created destroyed more than one job.

And the best thing a government employee can do economically is nothing. But they don't, they create more red tape and bureaucracy for job creators. So now they are destroying even more than that.

So, you can think for one minute and believe the obvious, which is wrong. Or you can think it through and realize we need to reduce government jobs to create more jobs.

The government doesn't create anything?
Roads,bridges, parks, schools, water systems, a military, airports.....

Creates millions of jobs

It doesn't create anything that wouldn't have been created by the private sector at a lower cost.

Government hasn't built any roads or bridges that I'm aware of. They bought them. It's like saying you created a dishwasher when you upgraded your kitchen. No, you bought one and installed it. Government took money from the private sector and bought roads and bridges from the private sector. I'm fine with that, but to say they created them is not so. They bought them.

Liberals are so economically challenged they don't grasp step 1, which is value creation. A dishwasher company buys parts from vendors like steel from steel mills and electrical components and assembles them to be more value than the sum of the parts that went into it. That is value creation. With roads and bridges, government took land from the private sector, took money from the private sector, then bought roads and bridges to put on them. But they added zero value to the process.

They created nothing. And ergo, any job they "created" killed at least one job because they took the money from value creators. And the reality is government wastes so much along the way, they kill more than one job for every one created because the money they waste comes from value creators as well.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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Government hasn't built any roads or bridges that I'm aware of. They bought them..

Goddam that's funny.

 

[candycorn]

Anyone wish we had a private sector military? How would that work? Would the Constitution allow it?

Read the link I posted, moron.

Which link?

The link he's too chicken shit to quote directly.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I've heard many GOPers say they don't. However, I feel strongly that they do. All one has to do is think about it for a minute and the answer should become obvious. However, the biggest job creators are consumers with money to spend.

That's what's wrong, you "think about it for a minute" and go with the obvious and wrong answer. Liberalism in a nutshell, not thinking things through. An ideology which is well intentioned and poorly conceived.

What is evident if you actually think it through rather than cut off thinking in one minute is that all money spent by government was removed from the economy. That means every job created destroyed one and no job was created.

Then if you continue to think about it, you realize that government creates nothing. You took the money to fund the job from someone who used it to create a profit and grow the economy. Now you realize that every government job created destroyed more than one job.

And the best thing a government employee can do economically is nothing. But they don't, they create more red tape and bureaucracy for job creators. So now they are destroying even more than that.

So, you can think for one minute and believe the obvious, which is wrong. Or you can think it through and realize we need to reduce government jobs to create more jobs.

The government doesn't create anything?
Roads,bridges, parks, schools, water systems, a military, airports.....

Creates millions of jobs

It doesn't create anything that wouldn't have been created by the private sector at a lower cost.

Government hasn't built any roads or bridges that I'm aware of. They bought them. It's like saying you created a dishwasher when you upgraded your kitchen. No, you bought one and installed it. Government took money from the private sector and bought roads and bridges from the private sector. I'm fine with that, but to say they created them is not so. They bought them.

Liberals are so economically challenged they don't grasp step 1, which is value creation. A dishwasher company buys parts from vendors like steel from steel mills and electrical components and assembles them to be more value than the sum of the parts that went into it. That is value creation. With roads and bridges, government took land from the private sector, took money from the private sector, then bought roads and bridges to put on them. But they added zero value to the process. They created nothing.

It's of no value to have bridges? lol, Goddam that's even funnier.

 

[kaz]

I always thought our soldiers, sailors, and airmen got paid. I didn't know they volunteered.

That doesn't mean government to them. They are only outraged about helping poor people

When did conservatives ever refuse to help anyone? You're just throwing crap against the wall when you say that.

The problem is that conservatives give by choice, liberals want giving to be done with force

I invite anyone to show us how a government would function if all taxation were voluntary.

Well, the massive welfare state you defend certainly couldn't exist. That's the whole point of it.

Don't you see Bripat? If we want roads and bridges, we have to accept Marxism. Liberals are idiots, when forced to justify government, they defend the tiny part of it that even small government libertarians support. Their logic is if they can defend one thing government does, then it's all justified. No, it isn't...