Do Democrats Seek out the "80/20" Issues and seemingly deliberately get on the losing side of them?

[otto105]

• Vaccine and mask mandates, lockdowns, and forced business closures
• Defund the police
• Open the borders
• Free stuff for illegals
• Men in women's sports
• DEI racism, sexism, and discrimination
• EV mandates
• Stop cutting wasteful spending
• Grumpy faces for little Black boys with cancer who want to be cops

• Cod Liver as measles cure, more karens screaming constitutional right to cough on salad station
• Defund FBI, ATF, CIA and local police unless they get the brown out.
• Close the borders to everything
• Free stuff for the wealthy
• Transphobia
• White empowerment and going back to discrimination of the past
• Global warming
• Redirect spending to chosen oligarchs
• Smiley faces for little black kids with terminal illness as doge cuts funding on research

 

[Seymour Flops]

Immigration

In your view, should immigration be kept at its present level, increased or decreased? On the whole, do you think immigration is a good thing or a bad thing for this country today?

news.gallup.com

Fox News Poll: 83 percent support pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants

Large majority of Americans want undocumented immigrants in US to be granted legal status: poll

The majority of Americans still favor a path to legal status for undocumented immigrants, poll shows


A supermajority of Americans want a path to legal status and/or citizenship for illegal immigrants. A FACT the GOP has been ignoring for a very long time.


Reagan's own words:

"Illegal immigrants in considerable numbers have become productive members of our society and are a basic part of our work force. Those who have established equities in the United States should be recognized and accorded legal status."


Just one more example of how far off the conservative reservation Donald Trump has led his cult.

Sure. Read the words of the question:

The questions asks "if they meet certain requirements over a period of time." So every person answering would imagine their own idea of the requirements. Therefore, almost by definition, they would say yes. Their requirement may be "they have to go back to their home country and apply for a visa first." But is that what Democrats have in mind?

You are conflating accepting that with accepting the Joe Biden policy of allowing anyone who snuck in and/or claimed assylum to become citizens as soon as possible. Ask it that way, and see if you get that 80/20 result.

You should look at the other questions in the poll, especiallly about whether immigration rates should increase or decrease.

 

[g5000]

Sure. Read the words of the question:

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The questions asks "if they meet certain requirements over a period of time." So every person answering would imagine their own idea of the requirements. Therefore, almost by definition, they would say yes. Their requirement may be "they have to go back to their home country and apply for a visa first." But is that what Democrats have in mind?

You are conflating accepting that with accepting the Joe Biden policy of allowing anyone who snuck in and/or claimed assylum to become citizens as soon as possible. Ask it that way, and see if you get that 80/20 result.

You should look at the other questions in the poll, especiallly about whether immigration rates should increase or decrease.

No matter how the question is asked, a supermajority of Americans believe they should be allowed to get legal status/citizeship.

Something the racists in the GOP refuse to accept.

 

[Seymour Flops]

g5000 your side lost a lot of the sympathy Americans may have had for illegals when you cheered the Biden administration for allowing aliens to flood our border with "la invitacion," and then tried to sell us on a 5,000 assylum seeker per day "limit." Assylum was never meant to be what Team Biden made it. Namely a way to legalize illegal immigration, by granting "temporary" assylum and never enforcing the requirement to appear for hearings, or setting hearings for years in the future.

The country could not have taken another four years of that. Not without becoming a third world hellhole ourselves, as many of our major cities are well on the way to.

 

[Seymour Flops]

No matter how the question is asked, a supermajority of Americans believe they should be allowed to get legal status/citizeship.

Something the racists in the GOP refuse to accept.

Then show me an example where it is asked the way I described and got that big a majority of "yes."

 

[g5000]

g5000 your side lost a lot of the sympathy Americans may have had for illegals when you cheered the Biden administration for allowing aliens to flood our border with "la invitacion," and then tried to sell us on a 5,000 assylum seeker per day "limit." Assylum was never meant to be what Team Biden made it. Namely a way to legalize illegal immigration, by granting "temporary" assylum and never enforcing the requirement to appear for hearings, or setting hearings for years in the future.

The country could not have taken another four years of that. Not without becoming a third world hellhole ourselves, as many of our major cities are well on the way to.

I am not a Bidenista. I am a Never Trumper. An actual conservative. Something the Trump cult knows nothing about.

 

[BrokeLoser]

No matter how the question is asked, a supermajority of Americans believe they should be allowed to get legal status/citizeship.

Something the racists in the GOP refuse to accept.

hahahaha…the ole’ “those who understand the importance of America’s sovereignty are RACISTS” bit huh?
Such a mantra didn’t work well for Mexicrats last November did it?

 

[g5000]

hahahaha…the ole’ “those who understand the importance of America’s sovereignty are RACISTS” bit huh?
Such a mantra didn’t work well for Mexicrats last November did it?

And right on cue, an anti immigration reform racist shows up!

 

[g5000]

We have a negative birth rate. Anyone who opposes immigration reform is in a death cult.

 

[Rumpole]

"80/20" issues are issues in which the overwhelming majority of Americans take one side or the other. Not a fairly even split as we have on most controversial issues, but a very lopsided divide, so lopsided that it is political poison to take the unpopular side.

Donald Trump and Replicans are exploited these issues against the Democrats.

CNN's Scott Jennings comments on Donald Trump's ability to get Democrats to make unpopular stands against him:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/02/06/jennings_trumps_superpower_is_getting_democrats_to_oppose_him_on_80-20_issues.html

A few comments of my own:

First, this is not new, nor Trump-specific. Having Trump lead the Republican Party has exacerbated this phenomena, but I noticed it long before I ever heard of Donald Trump, except as a Billionaire who liked to self-promote. I observed years ago on other forums that liberals seem to be more contrarians than ideologues. They never know which side to take on an issue until they see which side the majority of typical Americans take, and then they take the opposite side.

Witness their embrace of Islam in the aftermath of 9/11, and their sore loser attitude at the end of the Cold War, and their insistence of zero restrictions on abortion, even in the 9th month, for examples.

There is a narrow demographic that is with the Democrats on these things for ideological reasons, mostly college women, not all of whom are even old enough to vote. There is a narrow democraphic that agrees with them on those issues because they are true followers of the Democratic Party. The rest of Democrat voters do not really believe in their side of those issues.

So, why do Democrats embrace those issues? I have a theory, but I'd like to hear from others before I state it.

We're talking about transexuals? In my entire 74 years, I have met about 3 of them. see, thisn't isn't really a big problem, and it's like, not even a problem. But, of course, Repubs are going to milk this for every last vote they can garner with it.

But from this article, you've projected it far beyond the one issue, so, as you have thus insinuated, what are the other 80 20 issues you think Dems are on the wrong side of?

I assure you, much of the 'wrong side' can be linked to disingenuously written survey questions.

For example, if you framed a question this way:

Do you support cutting bloated government expenses? Most would say yes. Even most dems would say yes.

But, if you framed it this way:

Do you support cutting funding for child cancer research?

Most would say no.

So, when you tell me it's an '80 20 issue, show me how the question is worded, and then we can have an honest, serious, adult conversation on this.

 

[BrokeLoser]

We have a negative birth rate. Anyone who opposes immigration reform is in a death cult.

We have a negative birth rate because good real core Americans don’t want their children growing up with Mexico’s people. If we wanted to live among filth we would have all bought giants homes on the beaches of Mexico for $50k a long time ago.

 

[g5000]

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

No matter how the question is asked, a supermajority of Americans believe they should be allowed to get legal status/citizeship.

Really?

 

[g5000]

We have a negative birth rate because good real core Americans don’t want their children growing up with Mexico’s people.

You are an idiot pulling shit out of your ass.

We are not the only country with a declining birth rate, you dumb racist asshole.

See post 52.

 

[BrokeLoser]

You are an idiot pulling shit out of your ass.

We are not the only country with a declining birth rate, you dumb racist asshole.

See post 52.

Tell us Humberto…if we recruit a bunch of Mexicans to replace us and they all end up with a ZERO effective tax rate, they all birth more of their unproductive same, they overflow our jails and prisons, maim, rape and murder our daughters at a clip comparable to blacks, flood our social services, take welfare from blacks and drive up rents for our degenerates how are we gaining ground?

 

[g5000]

Really?

Like you said earlier, it depends on the wording of the question.

That particular poll question did not use the word "all". The graphic is incorrect.

The polls framed the issue in slightly different ways: “mass deportation of undocumented immigrants,” “deporting all immigrants who are here illegally,” “deporting immigrants who are in the country illegally,” “deporting all immigrants living in the United States illegally,” and so on.

• Two of these polls produced results similar to Gallup’s findings from last summer, with support for and opposition to deportation about evenly split.
• Three polls showed a six- to 13-percentage-point margin in favor of deportation.
• The sixth poll, a clear outlier, found a significantly larger 34-point margin of support, with 66% in favor and 32% opposed.

[snip]

1. When we are faced with variations in survey results measuring the same issue, one of the first things to look at is question wording. For example, the poll showing the highest level of support for deportation (66%) asked about “deporting immigrants who are in the country illegally.” This question did not use modifiers such as “all,” “mass” or “millions,” which were included in other polls. This wording could have elicited more support because it did not refer to the scope of such an operation for respondents.

[snip]

• Support for deportation reaches high majority levels when the question specifies that those being deported have criminal records.
• Support drops to its lowest levels when the question specifies that deportation would separate individuals from their children and families, or would involve immigrants who came to the country illegally as children or immigrants who have been here a long time with jobs and no criminal record.

The Complex Landscape of Public Opinion on Deportation

Americans' views on deporting immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally are complex, reflecting the complexity of the issue itself.

news.gallup.com

 

[Seymour Flops]

I am not a Bidenista. I am a Never Trumper. An actual conservative. Something the Trump cult knows nothing about.

Please describe what you believe the policy should be on illegal immigration, securing the border, and amnesty/citizenship for existing illegals.

I'm a libertarian backing Trump for non-ideological reasons. Haven't been conservative in decades, so I've lost track of how they think.

 

[Seymour Flops]

As for the current mass deportations, Democrats brought that on themselves. Trump ran explicitely and loudly on "mass deportations." "like you've never seen."

He got a strong majority of the popular vote, and a near landlide in the electoral vote.

Because the country is worse off with the millions of illegals that Biden very deliberately allowed in. Much worse, and even many Democrats in Blue cities saw it.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

Like you said earlier, it depends on the wording of the question.

That particular poll question did not use the word "all". The graphic is incorrect.

What are you talking about???

Source (page 8)

 

[martybegan]

Immigration

In your view, should immigration be kept at its present level, increased or decreased? On the whole, do you think immigration is a good thing or a bad thing for this country today?

news.gallup.com

Fox News Poll: 83 percent support pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants

Large majority of Americans want undocumented immigrants in US to be granted legal status: poll

The majority of Americans still favor a path to legal status for undocumented immigrants, poll shows


A supermajority of Americans want a path to legal status and/or citizenship for illegal immigrants. A FACT the GOP has been ignoring for a very long time.


Reagan's own words:

"Illegal immigrants in considerable numbers have become productive members of our society and are a basic part of our work force. Those who have established equities in the United States should be recognized and accorded legal status."


Just one more example of how far off the conservative reservation Donald Trump has led his cult.

And yet they want them all gone at the same time....

Methinks some people are manipulating the polls.