Do Democrats Seek out the "80/20" Issues and seemingly deliberately get on the losing side of them?

[g5000]

Please describe what you believe the policy should be on illegal immigration, securing the border, and amnesty/citizenship for existing illegals.

I'm a libertarian backing Trump for non-ideological reasons. Haven't been conservative in decades, so I've lost track of how they think.

I believe a wall is completely useless. A populist gimmick. Trump's MacGuffin.

Part of me wants to see the billions wasted on completing the wall just so I can laugh my ass off when it has zero impact on illegal immigration or the economy.

That's why Trump didn't build it in his first term. He knows its a hoax that tickles his followers' balls, and he doesn't want to give the game away.

Besides, the majority of illegals are visa overstays. No wall is going to fix that.

As I have said in this topic already, we need immigration reform. We are a melting pot. Immigrants are our lifeblood.

If you were an actual Libertarian, as you claim, you would be in favor of unrestricted immigration. That is the official Libertarian position.

You know what is so bizarre about Trump and his cult? Both legal and illegal immigrants are hardworking, family-oriented, deeply religious people.

Reagan understood that. That's why he granted them amnesty.


Reagan's own words:

"Illegal immigrants in considerable numbers have become productive members of our society and are a basic part of our work force. Those who have established equities in the United States should be recognized and accorded legal status."

Yet, how do the racists in the GOP and MAGA media portray immigrants? How does Trump portray them?

As rapists and thieves. Everything Trump is.

The MAGA media feeds this bias by airing every incident involving an illegal immigrant, blowing everything out of proportion when the simple undeniable fact is illegal immigrants' violent crime rate is half, and property crime rate is one quarter, of the American citizen crime rate..

That kind of bullshit propaganda is naked racism.


As for amnesty, sure. It's only 11 million people. Reagan granted amnesty and our economy boomed. No one accused Reagan of not being a conservative. Plus, the man won 49 states. Trump tries to convince his cult he won in a landslide when he didn't even achieve 50 percent of the vote.

If you have lost touch with what conservatives believe, you are making my exact point that Trump has led his cult way, way, way off the conservative reservation. A Trumpist doesn't know a conservative principle if it kicks them in the balls.

Tariffs, for example. Those are far left protectionism.

Russia. Reagan is rolling in his grave over Trump's subservience to a KGB mass murdering thug.

Reagan would be playing hardball, not giving an inch. "Peace through strength."

Trump and his cult whine about WWIII when it is suggested we show strength. This is exactly the same limp-wristed faggot whining we heard from the far left during Reagan's presidency when he bared his teeth toward Russia and called them an "evil empire".

Have you ever heard Trump say a critical word about Putin?

Me, neither.

Trump will rage tweet for weeks about a minor celebrity who hurts his precious toddler feelings, but never a harsh word about a mass murderer. In fact, the only times Trump has even spoken about Putin was to compliment him.

Again, Reagan is rolling in his grave.

I said in 2016 that Trump was going to lead his cult into the far left cave. He has succeeded. Pro-adultery. Pro-theft. Pro-false witness. Anti free trade. They even supported the first attempted coup to overthrow our democracy.

On other issues, I am an extreme fiscal hawk. Trumpists remained silent as the grave as Trump doubled the deficit BEFORE Covid, and submitted the largest government spending bill in US history BEFORE Covid. During Covid he asked for larger stimulus spending than even the Democrats wanted!

I have provided very simple solutions to our deficits and our debt. Eliminate all tax expenditures and raise the retirement age to 70, indexed to 9 percent of the population. This would not only balance the budget, it would provide a surplus which could be used to pay down our debt.

Eliminating tax expenditures is as libertarian/conservative as it gets, yet Trumpists howl like the welfare queens they are every time I mention it.

Speaking of tax expenditures, Ronald Reagan eliminated a large number of them. Including the auto loan interest deduction.

Guess who talked about bringing that deduction back during his address to Congress this week?

Yeah. Trump.

Again, Reagan is rolling in his grave.

Abortion? I'm pro-life. I have pointed out time and again that a supermajority of Americans are opposed to abortions after the first trimester. This means even some people who call themselves "pro-choice" are opposed to the guidelines behind Roe V. Wade which allowed for unrestricted abortions through the second trimester.

This means most pro-life and pro-choice people can find common ground to advocate and promote birth control. But we have allowed the extremists to control the conversation, resulting in a deadlock for half a century. With very little change in the number of abortions.

Speaking of the number of abortions, I have also been saying for more than a decade that repealing Roe V. Wade will have no impact on the number of abortions in America. And this is now being borne out.

The solution is birth control. Half of all abortions are the result of no birth control being used during sex. Another fifth are the result of inconsistent or improper use of birth control.

We could easily cut the abortion rate in half with birth control education. Then abortions would be so rare as to be stigmatized.


Now you can have a good laugh the next time you see someone call me a Democrat or a liberal.

I'm a Never Trumper who left my lifetime membership in the GOP when Trump was elected the first time.

The only thing dearer to me than my conservative principles is the truth. If someone utters a lie about ANYONE, Democrat or Republican, I'm going to call them out. And this confuses the living shit out of the Trump cult.

Finally, I have frequently pointed out that if a fucktard enters my neighbor's house and shits on his furniture, I'll have contempt for the fucktard. But if a fucktard enters MY house and shits on MY furniture, I will spend most of my time and energy attacking that fucktard.

This is another thing the Trump cult doesn't get. If you don't drink their orange Kool-Aid, you're a Democrat/liberal.

 

[Thinker101]

I believe a wall is completely useless. A populist gimmick. Trump's MacGuffin.

Part of me wants to see the billions wasted on completing the wall just so I can laugh my ass off when it has zero impact on illegal immigration or the economy.

That's why Trump didn't build it in his first term. He knows its a hoax that tickles his followers' balls, and he doesn't want to give the game away.

Besides, the majority of illegals are visa overstays. No wall is going to fix that.

As I have said in this topic already, we need immigration reform. We are a melting pot. Immigrants are our lifeblood.

If you were an actual Libertarian, as you claim, you would be in favor of unrestricted immigration. That is the official Libertarian position.

You know what is so bizarre about Trump and his cult? Both legal and illegal immigrants are hardworking, family-oriented, deeply religious people.

Reagan understood that. That's why he granted them amnesty.


Reagan's own words:

"Illegal immigrants in considerable numbers have become productive members of our society and are a basic part of our work force. Those who have established equities in the United States should be recognized and accorded legal status."

Yet, how do the racists in the GOP and MAGA media portray immigrants? How does Trump portray them?

As rapists and thieves. Everything Trump is.

The MAGA media feeds this bias by airing every incident involving an illegal immigrant, blowing everything out of proportion when the simple undeniable fact is illegal immigrants' violent crime rate is half, and property crime rate is one quarter, of the American citizen crime rate..

That kind of bullshit propaganda is naked racism.


As for amnesty, sure. It's only 11 million people. Reagan granted amnesty and our economy boomed. No one accused Reagan of not being a conservative. Plus, the man won 49 states. Trump tries to convince his cult he won in a landslide when he didn't even achieve 50 percent of the vote.

If you have lost touch with what conservatives believe, you are making my exact point that Trump has led his cult way, way, way off the conservative reservation. A Trumpist doesn't know a conservative principle if it kicks them in the balls.

Tariffs, for example. Those are far left protectionism.

Russia. Reagan is rolling in his grave over Trump's subservience to a KGB mass murdering thug.

Reagan would be playing hardball, not giving an inch. "Peace through strength."

Trump and his cult whine about WWIII when it is suggested we show strength. This is exactly the same limp-wristed faggot whining we heard from the far left during Reagan's presidency when he bared his teeth toward Russia and called them an "evil empire".

Have you ever heard Trump say a critical word about Putin?

Me, either.

Trump will rage tweet for weeks about a minor celebrity who hurts his precious todder feelings, but never a harsh word about a mass murderer. In fact, the only times Trump has even spoken about Putin was to compliment him.

Again, Reagan is rolling in his grave.

I said in 2016 that Trump was going to lead his cult into the far left cave. He has succeeded. Pro-adultery. Pro-theft. Pro-false witness. They even supported the first attempted coup to overthrow our democracy.

On other issues, I am an extreme fiscal hawk. Trumpists remained silent as the grave as Trump doubled the deficit BEFORE Covid, and submitted the largest government spending bill in US history BEFORE Covid. During Covid he asked for larger stimulus spending than even the Democrats wanted!

I have provided very simple solutions to our deficits and our debt. Eliminate all tax expenditures and raise the retirement age to 70, indexed to 9 percent of the population. This would not only balance the budget, it would provide a surplus which could be used to pay down our debt.

Eliminating tax expenditures is a libertarian/conservative as it gets, yet Trumpist howl like the welfare queens they are every time I mention it.

Speaking of tax expenditures, Ronald Reagan eliminated a large number of them. Including the car loan interest deduction.

Guess who talked about bringing that deduction back during his address to Congress this week?

Yeah. Trump.

Again, Reagan is rolling in his grave.

Abortion? I'm pro-life. I have pointed out time and again that a supermajority of Americans are opposed to abortions after the first trimester. This means even some people who call themselves "pro-choice" are opposed to the guidelines behind Roe V. Wade which allowed for unrestricted abortions through the second trimester.

This means most pro-life and pro-choice people can find common ground to advocate and promote birth control. But we have allowed the extremists to control the conversation, resulting in a deadlock for half a century. With very little change in the number of abortions.

Speaking of the number of abortions, I have also been saying for more than a decade that repealing Roe V. Wade will have no impact on the number of abortions in America. And this is now being borne out.

The solution is birth control. Half of all abortions are the result of no birth control being used during sex. Another fifth are the result of inconsistent or improper use of birth control.

We could easily cut the abortion rate in half with birth control education. Then abortions would be so rare as to be stigmatized.


Now you can have a good laugh the next time you see someone call me a Democrat or a liberal.

I'm a Never Trumper who left my lifetime membership in the GOP when Trump was elected the first time.

The only thing dearer to me than my conservative principles is the truth. If someone utters a lie about ANYONE, Democrat or Republican, I'm going to call them out. And this confuses the living shit out of the Trump cult.

Finally, I have frequently pointed out that is a fucktard enters my neighbors house and shits on his furniture, I'll have contempt for the fucktard. But if a fucktard enters MY house and shits on MY furniture, I will spend most of my time and energy attacking that fucktard.

This is another thing the Trump cult doesn't get. If you don't drink their orange Kool-Aid, you're a Democrat/liberal.

No kidding, the millions of illegals Biden let into the country are visa overstays? Guess the previous BS line, "asylum seekers", wore out.

 

[BluesLegend]

Oh man…talk about cognitive dissonance…

Don't use big words, it confuses Democrats.

 

[j-mac]

Don't use big words, it confuses Democrats.

Sorry, I forgot for a second....

 

[Seymour Flops]

I believe a wall is completely useless. A populist gimmick. Trump's MacGuffin.

Part of me wants to see the billions wasted on completing the wall just so I can laugh my ass off when it has zero impact on illegal immigration or the economy.

That's why Trump didn't build it in his first term. He knows its a hoax that tickles his followers' balls, and he doesn't want to give the game away.

Besides, the majority of illegals are visa overstays. No wall is going to fix that.

It turns out Trump's method of announcing that they will be deported as quickly or more quickly than they enter has sharply reduced illegal immigration of the over-the-border type. If that keeps up, we would not need a wall, I'll grant you that.

But no Democrat will keep that up. So to protect Americans against the next Biden-Harris regime, walls will have to go up.

As I have said in this topic already, we need immigration reform. We are a melting pot. Immigrants are our lifeblood.

If you were an actual Libertarian, as you claim, you would be in favor of unrestricted immigration. That is the official Libertarian position.

Oh, I am strongly in favor of unrestricted immigration. Just as soon as the U.S. is a libertarian country, we can allow as many people who want to come in, so long as they also come from libertarian countries.

As Milton Friedman said, "It's just obvious you can't have free immigration and a welfare state,"

When the whole world is libertarian, we can basically erase the borders anyway.

Just as one example, with the minimum wage eliminated, employers have no incentive to hire foreigners who will work for less than the minimum wage.

They just hire the best workers at the lowest prices.

You know what is so bizarre about Trump and his cult? Both legal and illegal immigrants are hardworking, family-oriented, deeply religious people.

Not the ones that Biden encouraged to enter our country.

Reagan understood that. That's why he granted them amnesty.


Reagan's own words:

"Illegal immigrants in considerable numbers have become productive members of our society and are a basic part of our work force. Those who have established equities in the United States should be recognized and accorded legal status."

In those days, there was a lot of truth in that.

Yet, how do the racists in the GOP and MAGA media portray immigrants? How does Trump portray them?

As rapists and thieves. Everything Trump is.

The MAGA media feeds this bias by airing every incident involving an illegal immigrant, blowing everything out of proportion when the simple undeniable fact is illegal immigrants' violent crime rate is half, and property crime rate is one quarter, of the American citizen crime rate..

That kind of bullshit propaganda is naked racism.

These days, we see the incridible increases in crime, so much so that even loyal black Democrats in very blue cities are asking their mayors what da fuq you doin?

As for amnesty, sure. It's only 11 million people. Reagan granted amnesty and our economy boomed. No one accused Reagan of not being a conservative. Plus, the man won 49 states. Trump tries to convince his cult he won in a landslide when he didn't even achieve 50 percent of the vote.

If you have lost touch with what conservatives believe, you are making my exact point that Trump has led his cult way, way, way off the conservative reservation. A Trumpist doesn't know a conservative principle if it kicks them in the balls.

I'm not claiming to be conservative. You are.

Tariffs, for example. Those are far left protectionism.

As a libertarian, I strongly favor ending all tariffs after all nations become liberarian.

Russia. Reagan is rolling in his grave over Trump's subservience to a KGB mass murdering thug.

Reagan would be playing hardball, not giving an inch. "Peace through strength."

Trump and his cult whine about WWIII when it is suggested we show strength. This is exactly the same limp-wristed faggot whining we heard from the far left during Reagan's presidency when he bared his teeth toward Russia and called them an "evil empire".

Have you ever heard Trump say a critical word about Putin?

Me, neither.

Trump will rage tweet for weeks about a minor celebrity who hurts his precious toddler feelings, but never a harsh word about a mass murderer. In fact, the only times Trump has even spoken about Putin was to compliment him.

Again, Reagan is rolling in his grave.

I said in 2016 that Trump was going to lead his cult into the far left cave. He has succeeded. Pro-adultery. Pro-theft. Pro-false witness. Anti free trade. They even supported the first attempted coup to overthrow our democracy.

On other issues, I am an extreme fiscal hawk. Trumpists remained silent as the grave as Trump doubled the deficit BEFORE Covid, and submitted the largest government spending bill in US history BEFORE Covid. During Covid he asked for larger stimulus spending than even the Democrats wanted!

I have provided very simple solutions to our deficits and our debt. Eliminate all tax expenditures and raise the retirement age to 70, indexed to 9 percent of the population. This would not only balance the budget, it would provide a surplus which could be used to pay down our debt.

Eliminating tax expenditures is as libertarian/conservative as it gets, yet Trumpists howl like the welfare queens they are every time I mention it.

Yes, all conservative ideas with which I agree or disagree in varying degrees.

Speaking of tax expenditures, Ronald Reagan eliminated a large number of them. Including the auto loan interest deduction.

Guess who talked about bringing that deduction back during his address to Congress this week?

Yeah. Trump.

Again, Reagan is rolling in his grave.

Abortion? I'm pro-life. I have pointed out time and again that a supermajority of Americans are opposed to abortions after the first trimester. This means even some people who call themselves "pro-choice" are opposed to the guidelines behind Roe V. Wade which allowed for unrestricted abortions through the second trimester.

This means most pro-life and pro-choice people can find common ground to advocate and promote birth control. But we have allowed the extremists to control the conversation, resulting in a deadlock for half a century. With very little change in the number of abortions.

Speaking of the number of abortions, I have also been saying for more than a decade that repealing Roe V. Wade will have no impact on the number of abortions in America. And this is now being borne out.

The solution is birth control. Half of all abortions are the result of no birth control being used during sex. Another fifth are the result of inconsistent or improper use of birth control.

We could easily cut the abortion rate in half with birth control education. Then abortions would be so rare as to be stigmatized.

Yes, to most of that. I'm a hawk on condoms. I hate most freebies, but free condoms saves taxpayers money otherwise spent on welfare.

Now you can have a good laugh the next time you see someone call me a Democrat or a liberal.

Yes, you have shown yourself to be a traditional conservative. Which right now is about as common as real libertarians.

I'm a Never Trumper who left my lifetime membership in the GOP when Trump was elected the first time.

The only thing dearer to me than my conservative principles is the truth. If someone utters a lie about ANYONE, Democrat or Republican, I'm going to call them out. And this confuses the living shit out of the Trump cult.

Finally, I have frequently pointed out that if a fucktard enters my neighbor's house and shits on his furniture, I'll have contempt for the fucktard. But if a fucktard enters MY house and shits on MY furniture, I will spend most of my time and energy attacking that fucktard.

This is another thing the Trump cult doesn't get. If you don't drink their orange Kool-Aid, you're a Democrat/liberal.

Probably because of your use of phrases like "fucktard," which are associated strongly with the low-IQ mis-educated left.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yes, you have shown yourself to be a traditional conservative. Which right now is about as common as real libertarians.

Now you can have a good laugh the next time you see someone call me a Democrat or a liberal.

I'm a Never Trumper who left my lifetime membership in the GOP when Trump was elected the first time.

The only thing dearer to me than my conservative principles is the truth. If someone utters a lie about ANYONE, Democrat or Republican, I'm going to call them out. And this confuses the living shit out of the Trump cult.

Finally, I have frequently pointed out that if a fucktard enters my neighbor's house and shits on his furniture, I'll have contempt for the fucktard. But if a fucktard enters MY house and shits on MY furniture, I will spend most of my time and energy attacking that fucktard.

This is another thing the Trump cult doesn't get. If you don't drink their orange Kool-Aid, you're a Democrat/liberal.

Probably because of your use of phrases like "fucktard," which are associated strongly with the low-IQ mis-educated left.

I'm afraid I have to backtrack on what I said, g5000 . It seems that this is the reason people call you a Democrat or a liberal:

I think you've run into the "quacks like a duck" problem for your claim of being a RWR Conservative.

 

[g5000]

No kidding, the millions of illegals Biden let into the country are visa overstays? Guess the previous BS line, "asylum seekers", wore out.

About half of illegals are visa overstays. You're propagandists are lying to you.

Visa Overstays. A significant number of new illegal immigrants, and perhaps a majority before the current border surge, were admitted legally on a temporary visa or under the visa waiver program and then did not leave the country when the time limit expired.

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_immigration_to_taxpayers.pdf

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For 7th Consecutive Year, Visa Overstays Exceeded Illegal Border Crossings​

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A wall is not going to fix that.


.

 

[g5000]

It turns out Trump's method of announcing that they will be deported as quickly or more quickly than they enter has sharply reduced illegal immigration of the over-the-border type. If that keeps up, we would not need a wall, I'll grant you that.

But no Democrat will keep that up. So to protect Americans against the next Biden-Harris regime, walls will have to go up.

A wall is useless. That has already been proven. It's full of holes made by illegals. It takes them a minute to cut through it.

A gigantic waste of taxpayer dollars.

There is a far better solution already being used by some county sheriffs on the border.

Just as one example, with the minimum wage eliminated, employers have no incentive to hire foreigners who will work for less than the minimum wage.

They just hire the best workers at the lowest prices.

Classic exploitation. This is one of the many problems I have with Libertarians.

Not the ones that Biden encouraged to enter our country.

Bullshit. You've clearly fallen for Trump's racist lies and the confirmation bias of MAGA propagandists.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD004.pdf

An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes.

You have more to worry about from your next door neighbor than you do from your boogeyman illegal immigrant.

They are here to work and provide for their families. Almost half of all farm workers are illegals.

In those days, there was a lot of truth in that.

These days, we see the incridible increases in crime, so much so that even loyal black Democrats in very blue cities are asking their mayors what da fuq you doin?

Wrong. The exact opposite is true.

The rate of violent crime dropped from about 377 incidents per 100,000 people in 2022, to around 364 per 100,000 in 2023, slightly below the 2019 rate.

The largest cities, those with populations of at least 1 million, saw the biggest drop in violent crime — nearly 7% — while cities with populations between 250,000 and 500,000 saw a slight 0.3% increase.

Rape incidents decreased by more than 9% and aggravated assault by nearly 3%. Burglary and larceny-theft decreased by 8% and 4%, respectively.

Crime is down, FBI says, but politicians still choose statistics to fit their narratives • Stateline

Violent crime and property crime in the United States dropped in 2023, continuing a downward trend following higher rates of crime during the pandemic, according to the FBI’s latest national crime report.

stateline.org

Probably because of your use of phrases like "fucktard," which are associated strongly with the low-IQ mis-educated left.

No, the reason the fucktards mistake me for a liberal is because I debunk the massive onslaught of hoaxes perpetrated by their MAGA media and their cult leader.

Like the hoaxes about how violent illegals are.

 

[22lcidw]

A wall is useless. That has already been proven. It's full of holes made by illegals. It takes them a minute to cut through it.

A gigantic waste of taxpayer dollars.

There is a far better solution already being used by some county sheriffs on the border.



Classic exploitation. This is one of the many problems I have with Libertarians.



Bullshit. You've clearly fallen for Trump's racist lies and the confirmation bias of MAGA propagandists.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD004.pdf

An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes.

You have more to worry about from your next door neighbor than you do from your boogeyman illegal immigrant.

They are here to work and provide for their families. Almost half of all farm workers are illegals.


Wrong. The exact opposite is true.

The rate of violent crime dropped from about 377 incidents per 100,000 people in 2022, to around 364 per 100,000 in 2023, slightly below the 2019 rate.

The largest cities, those with populations of at least 1 million, saw the biggest drop in violent crime — nearly 7% — while cities with populations between 250,000 and 500,000 saw a slight 0.3% increase.

Rape incidents decreased by more than 9% and aggravated assault by nearly 3%. Burglary and larceny-theft decreased by 8% and 4%, respectively.

Crime is down, FBI says, but politicians still choose statistics to fit their narratives • Stateline

Violent crime and property crime in the United States dropped in 2023, continuing a downward trend following higher rates of crime during the pandemic, according to the FBI’s latest national crime report.

stateline.org

No, the reason the fucktards mistake me for a liberal is because I debunk the massive onslaught of hoaxes perpetrated by their MAGA media and their cult leader.

Over the years I have come to believe there are too many snakes in the grass. As we have many people who have made politics as their god. And Progs are the leaders at this.

 

[g5000]

Over the years I have come to believe there are too many snakes in the grass. As we have many people who have made politics as their god. And Progs are the leaders at this.

I have no idea what that means.