Disgusting

[Artevelde]

Should I have to show an ID every time I buy a gun?

Yep and every time you buy booze or twinkies.

I'm fine with that and with voter ID are you fine with voter ID?

Sounds very reasonable.

 

[Artevelde]

This whole "but voter ID will disenfranchise the poor" meme is bullshit.

The fact of the matter is that you need valid photo identification to establish your identity in order to qualify for government programs as well. The exact government programs that are designed to help the poor require photo IDs. Of course this makes sense because the administrators of these programs want to eliminate fraud.

Poor people have IDs just like the rest of us, even the poorest of the poor. To maintain these people do not does not withstand scrutiny because otherwise they would not be eligible to qualify for the programs the left surely wants them qualified for and dependant upon. There is no malicious purpose for asking a person to show an ID and prove their identity prior to voting. To prove that their is no malicious intent, states like Georgia have enacted programs for free identification cards.

This entire argument against providing an ID to vote is nonsensical. The government enacts social welfare programs that are intended for the poorest citizens yet they are required to establish identity prior to receiving the benefits. If the poorest people really could not acquire an ID because they did not have the means to, that would mean they would starve on the streets because they could not qualify for government assistance. Obvioulsy this is not the case. Nor is it the case that people cannot provide an ID to vote. All of this posturing is nothing more than a thinly veiled cover for groups who actually do perpetrate voter fraud like the good gentleman from Mississippi who is now spending 10 years in prison.

The Photo ID Myth | RedState


Voter ID is a good thing.

I agree... voter ID is a good thing.

same here.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Wrong, they have to get off their butts and go get the ID. Oh the hardship!

If you don't already have a photo ID or a birth certificate you can't get a state issued ID. Its not like you walk into DMV and say "hey guys, its me! I need an id, hook it up!" Lord you're dumb.


The Republican leadership knows that more OBama eligible voters will not have an ID on election day than Romney eligible voters , that's why they are saying:

"Voter ID - which is going to allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania - done," Turzai told the crowd, which burst into applause, as he listed legislative accomplishments under GOP control.

DUH. What are you, a moron?

It ain't rocket science either, Francis. Did you even bother to read the links I provided?

I'd be fine if this was put off until after November. It's a good idea to show ID in order to vote. Period.

BEcause how many people voted under a false identity in 2008?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Give 'em special dispensation to buy an ID with their EBT cards.

You're one of the biggest morons on here.

Lolberals like you want to give the sainted pooooooooooor a handout for everything else, so it only follows.

Give us a good reason that they couldn't get some kind of dispensation/waiver use their welfare handout stipend to get an ID?...Just one.

C'mon...Light it up, meat.

You don't seem to even know how one goes about getting a photo ID.

 

[Zoom-boing]

You're one of the biggest morons on here.

Lolberals like you want to give the sainted pooooooooooor a handout for everything else, so it only follows.

Give us a good reason that they couldn't get some kind of dispensation/waiver use their welfare handout stipend to get an ID?...Just one.

C'mon...Light it up, meat.

You don't seem to even know how one goes about getting a photo ID.

Neither do you.

 

[Zoom-boing]

If you don't already have a photo ID or a birth certificate you can't get a state issued ID. Its not like you walk into DMV and say "hey guys, its me! I need an id, hook it up!" Lord you're dumb.


The Republican leadership knows that more OBama eligible voters will not have an ID on election day than Romney eligible voters , that's why they are saying:




DUH. What are you, a moron?

It ain't rocket science either, Francis. Did you even bother to read the links I provided?

I'd be fine if this was put off until after November. It's a good idea to show ID in order to vote. Period.

BEcause how many people voted under a false identity in 2008?

Asked and answered.

 

[Truthmatters]

Its only a GOOD IDEA if it doesnt keep legal Americans from voting in elections.


the right to vote should be considered sacred to every American.


Its pretty damned telling that the right doesnt care who cant vote as long as they are not republican voters.

 

[Artevelde]

Its only a GOOD IDEA if it doesnt keep legal Americans from voting in elections.


the right to vote should be considered sacred to every American.


Its pretty damned telling that the right doesnt care who cant vote as long as they are not republican voters.

The little liar shows up again.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Preventing any voter fraud is a good thing.

Yeah, especially when a few hundred thousand Democrats are denied the vote as a supposed "unintended" consequence.

How many fraudulent votes were cast in 2008 that would have been prevented by photo ID requirements?

Who cares.

One is too many.

The only way to prevent even one fraudulent vote from being cast is to make voting illegal.

It doesn't matter so much in Presidential or Congressional elections. Anyone who tells you that it does has no historical leg to stand on.

However, when the issue is city council or other relatively obscure seats in our governments, 20-30 votes can change a great deal.

That's why the Republican party stands to benefit so much by making voting more difficult for millions.

If anyone remembers the 2000 election

,


Most Republicans can't remember what happened last week.

Not all voter fraud is done with devious intent. If I had to ask off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you where my voting location is. Sometimes people just drive up on election day and try to vote in an election that they are not eligible--just by geography or a mistake.

LOL! There's an easy way to prevent that. Its called giving the poll workers a list of voters in the precinct. I actually did exactly what you describe once, went to the wrong precinct by accident. The poll workers were all too happy to tell me which one I needed to go to.

Anyway, if one party or the other wanted to perhaps "plant" someone or affect the election of another parties' officials, they could if there was no identifications asked for or required.

If you want to steal an election, there are far better ways to go about it than convincing a bunch of people to lie about their identity to make multiple votes and risk prison time. You could stuff a ballot box. Or, for example, you could pass laws to make it more difficult for your political opposition to vote. For example, if you knew that folks without photo ID's tend to vote Democrat, you might pass a photo ID law to cut down on the Democrat votes.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Its only a GOOD IDEA if it doesnt keep legal Americans from voting in elections.


the right to vote should be considered sacred to every American.


Its pretty damned telling that the right doesnt care who cant vote as long as they are not republican voters.

Please provide proof that ONLY Democrat Party voters can't vote.

Be specific.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

One must pay to get a copy of their birth certificate.

Once again, for the reading impaired; already posted earlier in the thread.

*If they do not have a birth certificate with a raised seal and are a Pennsylvania native; and do not have one of the acceptable, alternative forms of photo identification to vote; and will provide a signed oath/affirmation form, when visiting the PennDOT driver license center, they must:

Tell the PennDOT customer service representative they are a Pennsylvania native who needs a photo ID for voting purposes, and do not have a certified copy of their birth certificate;
Sign an oath/affirmation that they do not have an acceptable form of ID for voting purposes and the photo ID is needed for voting purposes;
Show a Social Security card and two proofs of residence, such as a deed, lease, tax bill, or utility bill;
Fill out a DL-54A form requesting a non-driver photo ID and;
Complete the HD01564F (Request for Certification of Birth Record for Voter ID Purposes Only) form, which collects information such as birth name, mother and father's name and place of birth. This Department of Health form is available at all Driver Licensing Centers.

PennDOT will then forward the completed form to the Department of Health, which maintains birth records. After verifying the birth record is on file, the Department of Health will securely transmit this information to PennDOT. PennDOT will then notify them by letter that their birth record has been confirmed. They may then return to any driver license center, with the above noted documentation, to receive your free photo ID for voting purposes. This verification process will take about ten days and does not require the payment of a fee.

PennDOT Driver and Vehicle Services - Personalized (Vanity) License Plate Availability

Good gawd you folks are dense.

Did it ever occur to you that a substantial number of eligible voters in Pennsylvania weren't born in Pennsylvania? Did you know that if you aren't born in Pennsylvania, you can't get your birth certificate from Pennsylvania? Does that blow your mind, or what?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

This whole "but voter ID will disenfranchise the poor" meme is bullshit.

The fact of the matter is that you need valid photo identification to establish your identity in order to qualify for government programs as well. The exact government programs that are designed to help the poor require photo IDs. Of course this makes sense because the administrators of these programs want to eliminate fraud.

Poor people have IDs just like the rest of us, even the poorest of the poor. To maintain these people do not does not withstand scrutiny because otherwise they would not be eligible to qualify for the programs the left surely wants them qualified for and dependant upon. There is no malicious purpose for asking a person to show an ID and prove their identity prior to voting. To prove that their is no malicious intent, states like Georgia have enacted programs for free identification cards.

This entire argument against providing an ID to vote is nonsensical. The government enacts social welfare programs that are intended for the poorest citizens yet they are required to establish identity prior to receiving the benefits. If the poorest people really could not acquire an ID because they did not have the means to, that would mean they would starve on the streets because they could not qualify for government assistance. Obvioulsy this is not the case. Nor is it the case that people cannot provide an ID to vote. All of this posturing is nothing more than a thinly veiled cover for groups who actually do perpetrate voter fraud like the good gentleman from Mississippi who is now spending 10 years in prison.

The Photo ID Myth | RedState


Voter ID is a good thing.

The fact of the matter is that you need valid photo identification to establish your identity in order to qualify for government programs as well.

Funny I didn't know you have to qualify for a government program to be allowed to vote.

 

[Artevelde]

One must pay to get a copy of their birth certificate.

Once again, for the reading impaired; already posted earlier in the thread.

PennDOT Driver and Vehicle Services - Personalized (Vanity) License Plate Availability

Good gawd you folks are dense.

Did it ever occur to you that a substantial number of eligible voters in Pennsylvania weren't born in Pennsylvania? Did you know that if you aren't born in Pennsylvania, you can't get your birth certificate from Pennsylvania? Does that blow your mind, or what?

Why are you so desperately trying to come up with excuses why voters shouldn't be able to provide a legitimate ID? Fairly ludicrous and pathetic.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

It ain't rocket science either, Francis. Did you even bother to read the links I provided?

I'd be fine if this was put off until after November. It's a good idea to show ID in order to vote. Period.

BEcause how many people voted under a false identity in 2008?

Asked and answered.

I guess both of us forgot the answer then.

 

[Artevelde]

This whole "but voter ID will disenfranchise the poor" meme is bullshit.

The fact of the matter is that you need valid photo identification to establish your identity in order to qualify for government programs as well. The exact government programs that are designed to help the poor require photo IDs. Of course this makes sense because the administrators of these programs want to eliminate fraud.

Poor people have IDs just like the rest of us, even the poorest of the poor. To maintain these people do not does not withstand scrutiny because otherwise they would not be eligible to qualify for the programs the left surely wants them qualified for and dependant upon. There is no malicious purpose for asking a person to show an ID and prove their identity prior to voting. To prove that their is no malicious intent, states like Georgia have enacted programs for free identification cards.

This entire argument against providing an ID to vote is nonsensical. The government enacts social welfare programs that are intended for the poorest citizens yet they are required to establish identity prior to receiving the benefits. If the poorest people really could not acquire an ID because they did not have the means to, that would mean they would starve on the streets because they could not qualify for government assistance. Obvioulsy this is not the case. Nor is it the case that people cannot provide an ID to vote. All of this posturing is nothing more than a thinly veiled cover for groups who actually do perpetrate voter fraud like the good gentleman from Mississippi who is now spending 10 years in prison.

The Photo ID Myth | RedState


Voter ID is a good thing.

The fact of the matter is that you need valid photo identification to establish your identity in order to qualify for government programs as well.

Funny I didn't know you have to qualify for a government program to be allowed to vote.

No you don't. But it's not illogical that you should be able to meet at least the same anti-fraud criteria. But you apparently are all in favour of voter fraud.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Once again, for the reading impaired; already posted earlier in the thread.




Good gawd you folks are dense.

Did it ever occur to you that a substantial number of eligible voters in Pennsylvania weren't born in Pennsylvania? Did you know that if you aren't born in Pennsylvania, you can't get your birth certificate from Pennsylvania? Does that blow your mind, or what?

Why are you so desperately trying to come up with excuses why voters shouldn't be able to provide a legitimate ID? Fairly ludicrous and pathetic.

Why are you so desperately ignoring the obvious fact that Republicans are betting many voters won't be able to show photo ID?

"Voter ID - which is going to allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania - done," Turzai told the crowd, which burst into applause, as he listed legislative accomplishments under GOP control.

Sorry, are you dumb, or do you just exist in a vacuum?

 

[Artevelde]

Did it ever occur to you that a substantial number of eligible voters in Pennsylvania weren't born in Pennsylvania? Did you know that if you aren't born in Pennsylvania, you can't get your birth certificate from Pennsylvania? Does that blow your mind, or what?

Why are you so desperately trying to come up with excuses why voters shouldn't be able to provide a legitimate ID? Fairly ludicrous and pathetic.

Why are you so desperately ignoring the obvious fact that Republicans are betting many voters won't be able to show photo ID?

"Voter ID - which is going to allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania - done," Turzai told the crowd, which burst into applause, as he listed legislative accomplishments under GOP control.

Sorry, are you dumb, or do you just exist in a vacuum?

Why are you betting that Democrats can only win if they can have people who are not entitled to vote go and vote?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

This whole "but voter ID will disenfranchise the poor" meme is bullshit.



The Photo ID Myth | RedState


Voter ID is a good thing.

The fact of the matter is that you need valid photo identification to establish your identity in order to qualify for government programs as well.

Funny I didn't know you have to qualify for a government program to be allowed to vote.

No you don't. But it's not illogical that you should be able to meet at least the same anti-fraud criteria. But you apparently are all in favour of voter fraud.

Its in fact very illogical. Most government welfare programs provide some sort of financial benefit to people - or something that is worth money, like food. The incentive to commit fraud in a welfare program is much higher than the incentive to cast a ballot in someone else's name. The former provides financial reward, the latter does not. Factual reality backs up this theoretical claim. We know that folks try to rip off the government all the time, but how many people have been convicted of trying to vote under a false identity?

Its also quite clear the Republicans are passing these laws because they think it will result in more eligible Democrats being denied the vote than Republicans.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Funny I didn't know you have to qualify for a government program to be allowed to vote.

No you don't. But it's not illogical that you should be able to meet at least the same anti-fraud criteria. But you apparently are all in favour of voter fraud.

Its in fact very illogical. Most government welfare programs provide some sort of financial benefit to people - or something that is worth money, like food. The incentive to commit fraud in a welfare program is much higher than the incentive to cast a ballot in someone else's name. The former provides financial reward, the latter does not. Factual reality backs up this theoretical claim. We know that folks try to rip off the government all the time, but how many people have been convicted of trying to vote under a false identity?

Its also quite clear the Republicans are passing these laws because they think it will result in more eligible Democrats being denied the vote than Republicans.

Most of the fraud happens in Democrats controlled big cities so it's not surprising that so few are prosecuted. What are Democrats going to do, arrest their Board of Electors?

 

[Artevelde]

Funny I didn't know you have to qualify for a government program to be allowed to vote.

No you don't. But it's not illogical that you should be able to meet at least the same anti-fraud criteria. But you apparently are all in favour of voter fraud.

Its in fact very illogical. Most government welfare programs provide some sort of financial benefit to people - or something that is worth money, like food. The incentive to commit fraud in a welfare program is much higher than the incentive to cast a ballot in someone else's name. The former provides financial reward, the latter does not. Factual reality backs up this theoretical claim. We know that folks try to rip off the government all the time, but how many people have been convicted of trying to vote under a false identity?

Its also quite clear the Republicans are passing these laws because they think it will result in more eligible Democrats being denied the vote than Republicans.

It is quite clear that you only oppose voter ID out of partisan bias, i.e. the hope that without ID people who aren't entitled to vote will get to vote.