Disappearing Worlds

[westwall]

Trump Tells Island Disappearing Into The Sea Not To Worry

Trumps idiocy has reached a higher level.

That's because he is correct. The problem is called "COASTAL URBANIZATION" and we have known about the problem for decades. What happens is people populate an island and then they pump the groundwater for drinking use and that lowers the island due to subsidence. No global warming horse poo, just simple physics.

But, lazy scientists, and greedy politicians and bureaucrats can't make money off of reality.

And you remain a liar. All up and down the East Coast, there are evidences of rising waters from Global Warming.

2.5 Million Miamians Could Become Refugees Due to Sea-Level Rise, Study Says

But as long as those same GOP legislators continue to deny that climate change is real, they're all but guaranteeing that the U.S. locks itself into a refugee crisis of its own. According to a study released this month in the peer-reviewed journal Nature, more than 2.5 million Miamians may someday be forced to flee the city thanks to rising seas — the most of any city in America.

Likewise, Florida stands to lose 2.5 million residents entirely by 2100, if seas rise by 1.8 meters. (Miami could "lose" 2.5 million residents to other cities in Florida, while Florida would lose that 2.5 million to other states.)

"I find that unmitigated SLR [sea-level rise] is expected to reshape the U.S. population distribution, potentially stressing landlocked areas unprepared to accommodate this wave of coastal migrants—even after accounting for potential adaptation," the study's author, University of Georgia population analyst Matthew E. Hauer wrote in the study. "These results provide the first glimpse of how climate change will reshape future population distributions and establish a new foundation for modeling potential migration destinations from climate stressors in an era of global environmental change."

2.5 Million Miamians Could Become Refugees Due to Sea-Level Rise, Study Says

And that is sheer and utter bullshit. The reason why the land is disappearing is because the rivers and streams have been dammed up which prevents their sediment load from replenishing the beaches which, yet again is a problem we have known about for decades and once again, the lazy scientists and politicians can't make money from facts.

Here you go olfraud, an old movie that explains the issue very well. REAL science, based on OBSERVED data. Not the computer derived horseshit you peddle.

 

[Old Rocks]

Miami Beach’s battle to stem rising tides

This foundation for Miami Beach’s future is actually a complicated and expensive experiment: As much as $500 million to install 80 pumps and raise roads and seawalls across the city. A first phase appears to be working, at least for now. But just one year into a massive public works project that could take six more, it’s way too soon to say whether and for how long it can keep the staggeringly valuable real estate of an international tourist mecca dry — especially in the face of sea level rise projections that seem to only get scarier with every new analysis.

"We don’t have a playbook for this," said Betsy Wheaton, assistant building director for environment and sustainability in Miami Beach.

But in many ways, Miami Beach is writing just that — the first engineering manual for adapting South Florida’s urban landscape to rising seas. The entire southern tip of the peninsula tops climate change risk lists but Beach leaders have acted with the most urgency, waiving competitive bidding and approving contracts on an emergency basis to fast-track the work. Tidal flooding lapping at posh shops and the yards of pricey homes makes a persuasive argument that climate change isn’t only real, but a clear and present threat.

Miami Beach’s battle to stem rising tides

Rising seas is the problem

 

[westwall]

Miami Beach’s battle to stem rising tides

This foundation for Miami Beach’s future is actually a complicated and expensive experiment: As much as $500 million to install 80 pumps and raise roads and seawalls across the city. A first phase appears to be working, at least for now. But just one year into a massive public works project that could take six more, it’s way too soon to say whether and for how long it can keep the staggeringly valuable real estate of an international tourist mecca dry — especially in the face of sea level rise projections that seem to only get scarier with every new analysis.

"We don’t have a playbook for this," said Betsy Wheaton, assistant building director for environment and sustainability in Miami Beach.

But in many ways, Miami Beach is writing just that — the first engineering manual for adapting South Florida’s urban landscape to rising seas. The entire southern tip of the peninsula tops climate change risk lists but Beach leaders have acted with the most urgency, waiving competitive bidding and approving contracts on an emergency basis to fast-track the work. Tidal flooding lapping at posh shops and the yards of pricey homes makes a persuasive argument that climate change isn’t only real, but a clear and present threat.

Miami Beach’s battle to stem rising tides

Rising seas is the problem

I see lots of opinion with no science to back it up. Typical flap yapping from your AGW loons.

 

[Old Rocks]

Miami's fight against rising seas

One reason is that water levels here are rising especially quickly. The most frequently-used range of estimates puts the likely range between 15-25cm (6-10in) above 1992 levels by 2030, and 79-155cm (31-61in) by 2100. With tides higher than they have been in decades – and far higher than when this swampy, tropical corner of the US began to be drained and built on a century ago – many of south Florida’s drainage systems and seawalls are no longer enough. That means not only more flooding, but challenges for the infrastructure that residents depend on every day, from septic tanks to wells. “The consequences of sea level rise are going to occur way before the high tide reaches your doorstep,” says William Sweet, an oceanographer at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

Miami’s fight against rising seas

How many more articles would you like to show that you are a liar?

 

[Old Rocks]

Miami Beach’s battle to stem rising tides

This foundation for Miami Beach’s future is actually a complicated and expensive experiment: As much as $500 million to install 80 pumps and raise roads and seawalls across the city. A first phase appears to be working, at least for now. But just one year into a massive public works project that could take six more, it’s way too soon to say whether and for how long it can keep the staggeringly valuable real estate of an international tourist mecca dry — especially in the face of sea level rise projections that seem to only get scarier with every new analysis.

"We don’t have a playbook for this," said Betsy Wheaton, assistant building director for environment and sustainability in Miami Beach.

But in many ways, Miami Beach is writing just that — the first engineering manual for adapting South Florida’s urban landscape to rising seas. The entire southern tip of the peninsula tops climate change risk lists but Beach leaders have acted with the most urgency, waiving competitive bidding and approving contracts on an emergency basis to fast-track the work. Tidal flooding lapping at posh shops and the yards of pricey homes makes a persuasive argument that climate change isn’t only real, but a clear and present threat.

Miami Beach’s battle to stem rising tides

Rising seas is the problem

I see lots of opinion with no science to back it up. Typical flap yapping from your AGW loons.

Encroaching Tides in Miami-Dade County, Florida©

Gunther Hagleitner

Castles Built on Sand A tourist mecca teeming with high-value real estate, low-lying Miami and Miami Beach are among the places most vulnerable, globally, to sea level rise (Nicholls et al. 2008). In 2014, 14.5 million tourists visited Miami-Dade County, many for its iconic beaches (Sampson 2015). Not only are these beaches eroding and in need of repeated “renourishing,” but with rising sea levels, salt water is encroaching onto the coastline, moving through porous limestone bedrock, and raising the water table in inland areas. Sea Level rise and Tidal Flooding along the Atlantic Coast By 2045, sea level in Miami-Dade County is expected to rise about 15 inches above current levels, according to a projection based on US Army Corps of Engineers data (SFRCCC 2015). With this increase, in just 30 years’ time, floodprone locations in Miami-Dade County’s coastal communities would face roughly 380 high-tide flood events per year, and the extent of tidal floods would expand to affect new low-lying locations, including many low-income communities with limited resources for preparedness measures. The flood events that today snarl daily life in parts of the county only periodically would become widespread and, on average, a daily occurrence

. As sea levels rise, higher water levels can also increase the extent and impact of storm surge and can permanently inundate some locations. A one-foot increase in sea level is estimated to threaten up to $6.4 billion in taxable real estate in the county overall (Climate Central 2015). In the Unified Sea Level Rise Projection, developed by Miami-Dade and its neighboring counties, the Army Corps projection outlines a one-foot rise in sea level in the county by about 2040—well within the lifetime of a typical home mortgage (SFRCCC 2015). But with these stark challenges come incentive and opportunity for Miami-Dade to be a national innovator, breaking new ground on two fronts: preparing for sea level rise and reducing global warming emissions.

http://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default...dade-sea-level-rise-tidal-flooding-fact-sheetABOUT

Rising Sea Levels, Coastal Development’s Effect on Gulf Coast Wetlands
Release Date: OCTOBER 3, 2016


As coastal development along the Gulf Coast continues to expand, tidal saline wetlands could have difficulty adjusting to rising sea levels.


This illustration shows county-level barriers and opportunities for landward migration of Tidal Saline Wetlands under alternative sea-level rise scenarios. (a) Relative percent of areas available for migration. (b to d) Relative ratio of areas where migration is prevented by current urban land (b), by future urban land (c), and by levees (d). Counties with crosshatching are expected to have less than 1 km2 of area available for migration. USGS Graphic.
Tidal saline wetlands along the U.S. Gulf of Mexico coast, such as mangrove forests, salt marshes, and salt flats, face survival challenges as sea levels rise rapidly and development along coastlines continues to grow. But, a recently published U.S. Geological Survey study shows there is hope for some of these at-risk Gulf coast wetlands.

In the study, which was conducted from 2012 - 2015, the authors considered the potential for landward movement of coastal wetlands under different sea-level rise scenarios. They also considered the impact of barriers to wetland migration due to current and future urbanization and examined how existing conservation lands, such as parks and refuges, might accommodate expected landward migration.

“Tidal saline wetlands along the northern Gulf of Mexico are abundant, diverse, and vulnerable to sea-level rise,” said Nicholas Enwright, USGS researcher and lead author of the study. “Our findings provide a foundation for land managers to better ensure there is space for future wetland migration in response to sea-level rising.

Rising Sea Levels, Coastal Development’s Effect on Gulf Coast Wetlands

Ah yes, but we all know that Mr. Westwall is so much smarter than all the scientists at the USGS.

 

[westwall]

Miami's fight against rising seas

One reason is that water levels here are rising especially quickly. The most frequently-used range of estimates puts the likely range between 15-25cm (6-10in) above 1992 levels by 2030, and 79-155cm (31-61in) by 2100. With tides higher than they have been in decades – and far higher than when this swampy, tropical corner of the US began to be drained and built on a century ago – many of south Florida’s drainage systems and seawalls are no longer enough. That means not only more flooding, but challenges for the infrastructure that residents depend on every day, from septic tanks to wells. “The consequences of sea level rise are going to occur way before the high tide reaches your doorstep,” says William Sweet, an oceanographer at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

Miami’s fight against rising seas

How many more articles would you like to show that you are a liar?

Florida's governments have reneged on promises to spend dollars on beach replenishment. It seems that the problem has been known about for decades and it isn't rising seas (though that's what they blame so they don't have to pay for the replenishment, and hope to foist off the cost on the citizenry, how unoriginal) but lack of beach nourishment. But, yet again, that is factual, not computer derived fiction which is your specialty.


"State leaders have reneged on a commitment to invest in Florida’s 825 miles of beaches, providing only some of the annual money promised in 1998. This comes as the Department of Environmental Protection, the state agency charged with protecting Florida’s shores, has doubled the number of miles of critically eroded beach to 411 because natural habitat, recreation, historical resources and, mostly, development are threatened.

Local governments pay the most to protect Florida beaches, raising at least $755 million for them over a 10-year period ending in 2015, a first-of-its-kind analysis by the Naples Daily News shows. The local share outpaced about $400 million the federal government contributed to beaches during the period, and about $302 million from the state.

It’s part of a pattern of broken promises made to Florida’s beaches, which have received an average of $28.8 million annually from the state over the past decade — not much more than the $27.4 million lawmakers gave to libraries this year. State leaders also have failed to deliver money promised to keep sand out of Florida’s dozens of inlets, a major driver of beach erosion."


Shrinking Shores: Florida reneges on pledges to its beaches

 

[Old Rocks]

And what does beach replenishment have to do with rising sea levels? It is not sand coming up through the sewer drains, it is salt water. And, yes, that does it's part in the destruction of the beach. So,does the fact that we are destroying the beaches through multiple channels change the fact that the sea is rising, and salt water flooding is an ever increasing problem in south Florida?

 

[westwall]

And what does beach replenishment have to do with rising sea levels? It is not sand coming up through the sewer drains, it is salt water. And, yes, that does it's part in the destruction of the beach. So,does the fact that we are destroying the beaches through multiple channels change the fact that the sea is rising, and salt water flooding is an ever increasing problem in south Florida?

The beaches are disappearing which allows the oceans to erode even more solid land than they otherwise would be able to. The oceans are rising incredibly slowly. Less than my daughter grew last week in 20 years, and the increase is slowing. Right now a picture taken at Ocean Beach in San Diego will show the same sea level as a photograph taken 100 years ago. I thought you were taking geology classes. That is all first year class work dude.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Trump Tells Island Disappearing Into The Sea Not To Worry

Trumps idiocy has reached a higher level.

That's because he is correct. The problem is called "COASTAL URBANIZATION" and we have known about the problem for decades. What happens is people populate an island and then they pump the groundwater for drinking use and that lowers the island due to subsidence. No global warming horse poo, just simple physics.

But, lazy scientists, and greedy politicians and bureaucrats can't make money off of reality.

If I respond fully to this you will ban me again.

 

[gipper]

Trump Tells Island Disappearing Into The Sea Not To Worry

Trumps idiocy has reached a higher level.

Uuummmmm....... Let's see here, Report and study "suggests"........ Tangier Island is losing residents...... Residents who's primary source of is crab and oyster fishing........

https://www.conservationgateway.org/Documents/CBF-BadWatersReport.pdf

It's also affected oysters in the bay.

Smith Island is suffering the same fate and residents say the island has been slowly shrinking for centuries.
As for Tangier Island shrinking there definitely is erosion mostly due to storms, the Chesapeake can be harsh at times and possibly some rise in sea levels, don't that know for a fact but my point is the real reason people are leaving the island, a major decline in their primary industry.

And the increasing erosion of the islands.

That's a postulation made by some and possibly partially true. I used to live in the DC metro area, for the last 40 + years the Chesapeake Bay has been constantly in the news specifically the crabbing and oyster industry that has been in serious decline due to over harvesting and the pollution in the bay. Having been on and hiked along the Chesapeake bay numerous times over those decades I personally noted no rise in water levels.

Well, you personally, do not seem to be a very accurate in your observations.

USGS Chesapeake Bay Activities Science Summary - Sea-Level Rise and Chesapeake Bay
Modern Sea-Level Rise

Two major factors contribute to global sea-level rise: thermal expansion from increasing ocean heat content, and the melting of glaciers and the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets. Since about 2003, glaciers and ice sheets (fig. 2) have contributed a greater proportion of the global sea-level rise than thermal expansion (Meier and others, 2007; Cogley, 2009; Rignot, Bamber, and others, 2008; Rignot, Box, and others, 2008). Today’s glaciers and ice sheets store enough water to raise sea level by about 68 to 70 m. Calculated rates of global mean sea-level rise range from 1.7 to 3.2 mm/yr, depending on the time period examined (Cazenave and Llovel, 2010; Church and White, 2011). Detecting fluctuations in the rate of sea-level change can be difficult as a result of the short period of record of tide gages and chronological uncertainty in marsh paleo-sea-level studies (Larsen and Clark, 2006). Some key findings include:

• Chesapeake Bay tide-gage records and paleo-sea-level records from tidal marshes and the bay’s main stem, determined from sediment cores collected from 1995 to 2006 (fig. 1), show that rates of sea-level rise in Chesapeake Bay range from about 3.2 to 4.7 mm/yr depending on the location and period of record for each tide gage. These rates exceed the global average because the land is subsiding; therefore, the Chesapeake Bay area is more vulnerable than many other coastal regions to sea-level rise.
• The departure of sea-level trends in Chesapeake Bay from the global mean for the last century may not persist. Therefore, rates measured at tide gages do not necessarily reflect pre-20th century regional patterns, nor can they be expected to persist into the future.
  
• Estimates of local subsidence from groundwater withdrawal in parts of Virginia are 1.5 and 3.7 mm/yr for 1979–95 and 1982–95, respectively (Pope and Burbey, 2004). Subsidence is expected to increase with greater withdrawals.

Truth can't exist in the small mind of Warmers. Lies do very well however.

 

[mamooth]

The beaches are disappearing which allows the oceans to erode even more solid land than they otherwise would be able to.

How does that affect the satellite measurements which show sea level rising at an accelerating rate?

The oceans are rising incredibly slowly Less than my daughter grew last week in 20 years,

Your daughter grew 2 inches last week? Remarkable. After all, that's what the sea level rise in the last 20 years has been, and that's a low estimate.

and the increase is slowing

Being the slope of the curve is increasing, that means an increase in the rate of increase. Come on, this is high school level stuff.

How about you show us your data? Peer-reviewed science, of course, and not a kook web page or cherrypicked raw data from a single station that hasn't been adjusted for rebound. You've probably been snookered by some denier propaganda pieces. Gavin Schmidt investigates one of those fraudulent denier claims closely, and rips it to pieces.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/10/a-sea-level-golden-horseshoe-nominee/

Because that was well-researched and meticulously sourced facts and hard data, you'll no doubt scream it's all faked. It's not like you can ever refute the facts and hard data, so auto-declaring it's all fraud is your only option.

Right now a picture taken at Ocean Beach in San Diego will show the same sea level as a photograph taken 100 years ago

Only if you deliberately try to deceive by ignoring the tidal state, which all deniers will do.

 

[skookerasbil]

And most of his fellow rightwing nitwits are just as idiotic.

So it would seem.

I find these abandoned places fascinating. I think that its the Celt in me. But its one thing to run out of fish and quite another to sink into the ocean because Trump is owned by the fossil fuel companies.

Well good for you s0n because nobody else gives a rats ass about these places! Only people with no real responsibilities in life sit around and worry about shit we have zero ability to control.

This is what progressives NEVER figure out in life........most working people are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to busy with their lives to be worrying about this periphery stuff. They are out busting their balls trying to pay to mortgage and put food on the table.......running kids here and there........trying desperately to get by. In here, we have lots of people who live the life of Riley who sit around contemplating their navels, thus, all the worry about stoopid stuff. Its fascinating to me..........

I win every time I step into this forum for the last 9 years because of this fact........every time I log out, Ive delivered some level of decimation to the AGW k00ks. Because my arguments cannot be broken. Nobody is caring about climate change out there except for the OCD's..........but don't take my word for it. Go over to REALCLEAR today and check out how many of the country's newspapers are running stories today on climate change much less the TV networks where it might be referenced once in a blue moon. People don't care.....the top guy at CNN, Zucker even admitted it 2 years ago, "We don't run climate change stories because frankly there is no interest"

It all has nothing to do with the science..........it is quite simply about who is winning the PR battle. If the science is having no affect in the real world, we know who's not winning the PR battle!

 

[westwall]

The beaches are disappearing which allows the oceans to erode even more solid land than they otherwise would be able to.

How does that affect the satellite measurements which show sea level rising at an accelerating rate?

The oceans are rising incredibly slowly Less than my daughter grew last week in 20 years,

Your daughter grew 2 inches last week? Remarkable. After all, that's what the sea level rise in the last 20 years has been, and that's a low estimate.

and the increase is slowing

Being the slope of the curve is increasing, that means an increase in the rate of increase. Come on, this is high school level stuff.

How about you show us your data? Peer-reviewed science, of course, and not a kook web page or cherrypicked raw data from a single station that hasn't been adjusted for rebound. You've probably been snookered by some denier propaganda pieces. Gavin Schmidt investigates one of those fraudulent denier claims closely, and rips it to pieces.

A sea level Golden Horseshoe nominee^*

Because that was well-researched and meticulously sourced facts and hard data, you'll no doubt scream it's all faked. It's not like you can ever refute the facts and hard data, so auto-declaring it's all fraud is your only option.

Right now a picture taken at Ocean Beach in San Diego will show the same sea level as a photograph taken 100 years ago

Only if you deliberately try to deceive by ignoring the tidal state, which all deniers will do.

Because the satellite data doesn't show increased rate of rise.

 

[mamooth]

Because the satellite data doesn't show increased rate of rise.

You appear to be quibbling by declaring the satellite tracking hasn't gone on long enough to demonstrate acceleration. I have to agree with your there.

However, it does show steady sea level rise, contrary to your claims that there's been no rise.

And, combined with the older gauge data, it shows acceleration.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Trump Tells Island Disappearing Into The Sea Not To Worry

Trumps idiocy has reached a higher level.

^ In an ultimate act of Denierability, Guam refuses to fall into the sea

 

[Old Rocks]

And what does beach replenishment have to do with rising sea levels? It is not sand coming up through the sewer drains, it is salt water. And, yes, that does it's part in the destruction of the beach. So,does the fact that we are destroying the beaches through multiple channels change the fact that the sea is rising, and salt water flooding is an ever increasing problem in south Florida?

The beaches are disappearing which allows the oceans to erode even more solid land than they otherwise would be able to. The oceans are rising incredibly slowly. Less than my daughter grew last week in 20 years, and the increase is slowing. Right now a picture taken at Ocean Beach in San Diego will show the same sea level as a photograph taken 100 years ago. I thought you were taking geology classes. That is all first year class work dude.

Why yes. And one of the first things you learn is the worth of sources. The USGS being one of the most trustworthy.

What the USGS has learned
The USGS found that the amount of sediment coming into San Francisco Bay from the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta has decreased. This sediment normally feeds many of the beaches south of the Golden Gate Bridge. Human activities such as damming, dredging, and sand mining affect the amount of sand that makes it to the open coast, which is insufficient to replace what is being washed away. In addition, erosion around a sewage outfall pipe 4.5 miles offshore from Ocean Beach has carved out a 200-meter-long trench spanning both sides of the pipe, which changes wave patterns in that area. USGS surveys also help to inform San Francisco city planners about the swiftly disappearing southern part of Ocean Beach¬– built out to accommodate the scenic highway alongside it– which is also at risk. The city’s challenge is to decide whether to invest in costly barriers and sand replacement, or let nature take its course. [For more information, see: San Francisco Bay Coastal System Study]

The coast near Santa Barbara is part of a smaller watershed that brings much less sand to the ocean. Dams trap a large quantity of sand, further limiting the amount of sand contributed to beaches, which are fairly narrow in this area. The Santa Clara River, farther south in Ventura County, has no dam and is a main source of sand, as evidenced by the much wider beaches south of the river mouth. [For more information, see: Santa Barbara Littoral Cell Coastal Processes Study]

In southern California, the team identified places particularly vulnerable to climate change, such as Venice, Marina Del Ray, Huntington Beach, Newport Beach, and many areas around San Diego. In March 2015, Barnard gave an invited presentation to San Diego area government officials and coastal managers on climate-change impacts and how the CoSMoS model could assist their planning for the region. [For more information, see: Coastal Storm Modeling System (CoSMoS)]

Dynamic coastlines along the western U.S.: Climate Change Impacts to the US Pacific and Arctic Coasts Project

 

[Old Rocks]

The beaches are disappearing which allows the oceans to erode even more solid land than they otherwise would be able to.

How does that affect the satellite measurements which show sea level rising at an accelerating rate?

The oceans are rising incredibly slowly Less than my daughter grew last week in 20 years,

Your daughter grew 2 inches last week? Remarkable. After all, that's what the sea level rise in the last 20 years has been, and that's a low estimate.

and the increase is slowing

Being the slope of the curve is increasing, that means an increase in the rate of increase. Come on, this is high school level stuff.

How about you show us your data? Peer-reviewed science, of course, and not a kook web page or cherrypicked raw data from a single station that hasn't been adjusted for rebound. You've probably been snookered by some denier propaganda pieces. Gavin Schmidt investigates one of those fraudulent denier claims closely, and rips it to pieces.

A sea level Golden Horseshoe nominee^*

Because that was well-researched and meticulously sourced facts and hard data, you'll no doubt scream it's all faked. It's not like you can ever refute the facts and hard data, so auto-declaring it's all fraud is your only option.

Right now a picture taken at Ocean Beach in San Diego will show the same sea level as a photograph taken 100 years ago

Only if you deliberately try to deceive by ignoring the tidal state, which all deniers will do.

And some places, such as Miami, Florida, the rise is as much as three times that rate.

Miami’s fight against rising seas

One reason is that water levels here are rising especially quickly. The most frequently-used range of estimates puts the likely range between 15-25cm (6-10in) above 1992 levels by 2030, and 79-155cm (31-61in) by 2100. With tides higher than they have been in decades – and far higher than when this swampy, tropical corner of the US began to be drained and built on a century ago – many of south Florida’s drainage systems and seawalls are no longer enough. That means not only more flooding, but challenges for the infrastructure that residents depend on every day, from septic tanks to wells. “The consequences of sea level rise are going to occur way before the high tide reaches your doorstep,” says William Sweet, an oceanographer at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

The flooding would be a challenge for any community, but it poses particular risks here. One recent report estimated that Miami has the most to lose in terms of financial assets of any coastal city in the world, just above Guangzhou, China and New York City. This 120-mile (193km) corridor running up the coast from Homestead to Jupiter – taking in major cities like Miami, Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach – is the eighth most populous metropolitan area in the US. It’s also booming. In 2015, the US Census Bureau found that the population of all three counties here was growing – along with the rest of Florida – at around 8%, roughly twice the pace of the US average. Recent studies have shown that Florida has more residents at risk from climate change than any other US state.

 

[skookerasbil]

A lot of words, yet you said nothing. Do I know that dangerous materials are used in industrial processes? After 50 years of working as a millwright in various industries, yes, I do know that. And what difference does it make? The paper you use every day has several very toxic gases involved in the process.

I have seen the battery technology make huge progress in the last 20 years, and now we have EV's establishing records on some of the most difficult tracks in the world. And the fuel cells have essentially gone nowhere in that period.

Price of that car?

 

[skookerasbil]

People have been hearing about Miami being underwater for decades now...........nobody is paying attention anymore in 2017. Might as well be making predictions of the arrival of the Martians.

 

[skookerasbil]

Almost nobody denies climate change isn't real.........but the two things there is much speculation on is still, 1) Decades from now will it be beneficial or not? 2) What % of climate change is caused by CO2?

Nobody knows.