Did Middle East mediator Martin Indyk reveal Obama's plan for Israel without Netanyahu in charge?

[Daniyel]

Current status quo is untennable. The current oppose every compromise and sticking to your guns approach isn't going to work. Everyone just wants peace, but the current regime would rather have war than peace where an equitable compromise is the deal.

No deal is better than a bad deal, and the beautiful thing about 'status quo' is that everyone can deal with it AKA 'democracy'

 

[CMike]

And here I thought America was dancing to Netanyahu's tune....(sarcasm alert).

Bibi is doing everything possible to prevent a two-state solution and keep the Palestinians in a permanent state of occupation in an ever decreasing area.

How about a link from a non partisan source saying just this ?

Like your links?

Bibi's work towards "peace" and a two-state solution:
Israeli president says Netanyahu torpedoed peace deal News The Week UK
Netanyahu has rejected two-state solution - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East
Herzog I Doubt Netanyahu Will Lead Us to Peace - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

He is absolutely right. There is no one at this time on the arab side whom wants peace.

Jews were ethically cleaned from the Gaza and we see the result.

 

[Jroc]

If Obama gets his puppet government in Israel. Will they then accept Obama's 67' boarders "peace" plan? I think so...

As the White House sees it, if Herzog/Livni form the next government, then Jerusalem will dance to Obama’s tune. If Netanyahu is reelected, then the entire edifice of Obama’s Middle East policy may topple and fall.

Secretary of State John Kerry made clear the administration’s desire to topple Netanyahu last spring during his remarks before the Trilateral Commission. It was during that memorable speech that Kerry libeled Israel, claiming that we would automatically and naturally become an apartheid state if we didn’t give Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria to the PLO, Jew free, as quickly as possible.

Despite Israel’s venality, Kerry held out hope. In his words, “if there is a change of government [in Israel], or a change of heart, something will happen.”

Shortly after Kerry gave his Israel apartheid speech, his Middle East mediator Martin Indyk attacked Israel and the character of the Israeli people in an astounding interview to Yediot Aharonot.

Among other things, Indyk hinted that to force Israel to make concessions demanded by the PLO, the Palestinians may need to launch another terror war.

Indyk also threatened that the Palestinians will get their state whether Israel agrees to their terms of not. In his words, “They will get their state in the end – whether through violence or by turning to international organizations.”

Indyk made his statements as an unnamed US official. When his identity was exposed, he was forced to resign his position.
Following his departure from government service he returned to his previous position as vice president of the Brookings Institution and the director of its foreign policy program. Last September, The New York Times reported that the Brookings Institute received a $14.8 million, four-year donation from Qatar, the chief financier of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood

This week, Indyk was back in Israel to speak at the annual conference of the Institute for National Security Studies. There he provided us with a picture of what we can expect from the Obama administration in its remaining two years in office if Netanyahu forms the next government.

On the Palestinian front, Indyk warned that Israel shouldn’t be worried about the Palestinians getting an anti-Israel resolution passed in the UN Security Council. Rather, it can expect that the US will join with the other permanent members of the UN Security Council to pass a resolution “against Israel’s will” that will “lay out the principle of a two-state solution.”

As Indyk intimated, Israel can avoid this fate if it elects a Herzog/Livni government. Such a government, he indicated, will preemptively give in to all of the Palestinians demands and so avoid a confrontation with the US and its colleagues at the Security Council.

Indyk explained, “If there is a government in Israel after these elections that decides to pursue a two-state solution, then there is a way forward. It begins with coordinating an initiative with the United States. And then, together with the US, looking to Egypt and Jordan and the resurrection of the Arab Peace Initiative.”

Column one Netanyahu s true electoral rival - Opinion - Jerusalem Post

I don't think so.

I have been watching interviews by the opposition Issac Hertzog, and Tzipi, I think they still understand the reality around them.

Obviously a two state solution isn't going to work. It was tried in Gaza and ended up in disaster.

Let's hope, I don't trust Obama or the leftist in Israel. Especially Tazpi Livni, she's way too eager to make a deal with the Arabs

 

[Agit8r]

Obviously there are other Israeli leaders that he gets along with better

 

[Jroc]

What's Netanyahu's peace plan? What's he done to advance peace? Anything?

And please - let's not go "but the Palestinians...but Hamas...but but but". What's Bibi done? Far as I can see he has done far less than any of his predecessors.

They have Hamas and Fatah to deal with Sorry but like Netanyahu said they are not going to leave the fate of the Jews in the hands of others, that includes Obama


they're goal is no Israel

 

[Jroc]

And here I thought America was dancing to Netanyahu's tune....(sarcasm alert).

Bibi is doing everything possible to prevent a two-state solution and keep the Palestinians in a permanent state of occupation in an ever decreasing area.

How about a link from a non partisan source saying just this ?

Like your links?

Bibi's work towards "peace" and a two-state solution:
Israeli president says Netanyahu torpedoed peace deal News The Week UK
Netanyahu has rejected two-state solution - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East
Herzog I Doubt Netanyahu Will Lead Us to Peace - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

He is absolutely right. There is no one at this time on the arab side whom wants peace.

Jews were ethically cleaned from the Gaza and we see the result.

They also would like Jew free zones in all land controlled by the Arabs. Not that it'll be safe there for them anyways without IDF protection.

 

[Coyote]

And here I thought America was dancing to Netanyahu's tune....(sarcasm alert).

Bibi is doing everything possible to prevent a two-state solution and keep the Palestinians in a permanent state of occupation in an ever decreasing area.

How about a link from a non partisan source saying just this ?

Like your links?

Bibi's work towards "peace" and a two-state solution:
Israeli president says Netanyahu torpedoed peace deal News The Week UK
Netanyahu has rejected two-state solution - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East
Herzog I Doubt Netanyahu Will Lead Us to Peace - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

He is absolutely right. There is no one at this time on the arab side whom wants peace.

Jews were ethically cleaned from the Gaza and we see the result.

They also would like Jew free zones in all land controlled by the Arabs. Not that it'll be safe there for them anyways without IDF protection.

Who would?

 

[Coyote]

And here I thought America was dancing to Netanyahu's tune....(sarcasm alert).

Bibi is doing everything possible to prevent a two-state solution and keep the Palestinians in a permanent state of occupation in an ever decreasing area.

How about a link from a non partisan source saying just this ?

Like your links?

Bibi's work towards "peace" and a two-state solution:
Israeli president says Netanyahu torpedoed peace deal News The Week UK
Netanyahu has rejected two-state solution - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East
Herzog I Doubt Netanyahu Will Lead Us to Peace - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

He is absolutely right. There is no one at this time on the arab side whom wants peace.

Jews were ethically cleaned from the Gaza and we see the result.

By whom?

 

[Coyote]

What's Netanyahu's peace plan? What's he done to advance peace? Anything?

And please - let's not go "but the Palestinians...but Hamas...but but but". What's Bibi done? Far as I can see he has done far less than any of his predecessors.

They have Hamas and Fatah to deal with Sorry but like Netanyahu said they are not going to leave the fate of the Jews in the hands of others, that includes Obama


they're goal is no Israel

And again, you can't answer an actual question. What has Netanyahu done to advance peace?

 

[CMike]

And here I thought America was dancing to Netanyahu's tune....(sarcasm alert).

Bibi is doing everything possible to prevent a two-state solution and keep the Palestinians in a permanent state of occupation in an ever decreasing area.

How about a link from a non partisan source saying just this ?

Like your links?

Bibi's work towards "peace" and a two-state solution:
Israeli president says Netanyahu torpedoed peace deal News The Week UK
Netanyahu has rejected two-state solution - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East
Herzog I Doubt Netanyahu Will Lead Us to Peace - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

He is absolutely right. There is no one at this time on the arab side whom wants peace.

Jews were ethically cleaned from the Gaza and we see the result.

By whom?

That was the deal reached unfortunately with Israel.

Every Jew was forced to leave the area. To his discredit Sharon agreed to this, and forcefully removed Jews from their homes.

And what was gained? Shortly thereafter missiles started being launched from Gaza into Israel's populated cities.

It's a great lesson of what not to do again.

 

[CMike]

What's Netanyahu's peace plan? What's he done to advance peace? Anything?

And please - let's not go "but the Palestinians...but Hamas...but but but". What's Bibi done? Far as I can see he has done far less than any of his predecessors.

They have Hamas and Fatah to deal with Sorry but like Netanyahu said they are not going to leave the fate of the Jews in the hands of others, that includes Obama


they're goal is no Israel

And again, you can't answer an actual question. What has Netanyahu done to advance peace?

There is no possible peace with the arab side not even recognizing Israel's right to exist.

Netanyahu has stopped the Hamas terrorist organization from launching missiles from Gaza into Israel's populated cities.

I am more concerned about what he does to protect Israel.

 

[Coyote]

Current status quo is untennable. The current oppose every compromise and sticking to your guns approach isn't going to work. Everyone just wants peace, but the current regime would rather have war than peace where an equitable compromise is the deal.

Agree. Though I'm not sure if it's what you meant. You can not keep people in a permanent state of occupation under military rule. It's costly to Israel financially, politically and in terms of security. Netanyahu would rather deflect from all that by bringing everyone's attention to Iran. Having an enemy to focus on, whether real or percieved unifies and takes everyone's mind off of local troubles. Same thing applies to the Palestinians. As long as they are at war, they don't feel the need to show responsible governance.

 

[Coyote]

And here I thought America was dancing to Netanyahu's tune....(sarcasm alert).

Bibi is doing everything possible to prevent a two-state solution and keep the Palestinians in a permanent state of occupation in an ever decreasing area.

How about a link from a non partisan source saying just this ?

Like your links?

Bibi's work towards "peace" and a two-state solution:
Israeli president says Netanyahu torpedoed peace deal News The Week UK
Netanyahu has rejected two-state solution - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East
Herzog I Doubt Netanyahu Will Lead Us to Peace - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

He is absolutely right. There is no one at this time on the arab side whom wants peace.

Jews were ethically cleaned from the Gaza and we see the result.

By whom?

That was the deal reached unfortunately with Israel.

Every Jew was forced to leave the area. To his discredit Sharon agreed to this, and forcefully removed Jews from their homes.

And what was gained? Shortly thereafter missiles started being launched from Gaza into Israel's populated cities.

It's a great lesson of what not to do again.

So Sharon removed them from Gaza. Israel ethnically cleansed it's own people.

My impression of this was that this was a unilateral move on Sharon's part to disengage from Gaza - not a "deal".

 

[CMike]

Current status quo is untennable. The current oppose every compromise and sticking to your guns approach isn't going to work. Everyone just wants peace, but the current regime would rather have war than peace where an equitable compromise is the deal.

Agree. Though I'm not sure if it's what you meant. You can not keep people in a permanent state of occupation under military rule. It's costly to Israel financially, politically and in terms of security. Netanyahu would rather deflect from all that by bringing everyone's attention to Iran. Having an enemy to focus on, whether real or percieved unifies and takes everyone's mind off of local troubles. Same thing applies to the Palestinians. As long as they are at war, they don't feel the need to show responsible governance.

I think they should have a process to become legal residents, and even citizens. To become citizens they need to join the IDF like other Israeli citizens.

Otherwise, they should return to their homelands of Jordan or Egypt.

Iran is not a deflection. Iran repeatedly calls for Israel's annihilation, and is the center of terrorist groups throughout the world. It supports, Al Qaida, Hezbollah, and Hamas.

They are working towards nukes.

Iran is an imminent thread to the western world.

 

[Coyote]

What's Netanyahu's peace plan? What's he done to advance peace? Anything?

And please - let's not go "but the Palestinians...but Hamas...but but but". What's Bibi done? Far as I can see he has done far less than any of his predecessors.

They have Hamas and Fatah to deal with Sorry but like Netanyahu said they are not going to leave the fate of the Jews in the hands of others, that includes Obama


they're goal is no Israel

And again, you can't answer an actual question. What has Netanyahu done to advance peace?

There is no possible peace with the arab side not even recognizing Israel's right to exist.

Netanyahu has stopped the Hamas terrorist organization from launching missiles from Gaza into Israel's populated cities.

I am more concerned about what he does to protect Israel.

I agree that Israel's right to exist must be recognized as does the Palestinians right to a state. All Netanyahu has done is....nothing.

Not even for security because in the long run, until the issue is resolved, Israel's security situation will remain as it is now - constantly under attack.

 

[Coyote]

Current status quo is untennable. The current oppose every compromise and sticking to your guns approach isn't going to work. Everyone just wants peace, but the current regime would rather have war than peace where an equitable compromise is the deal.

Agree. Though I'm not sure if it's what you meant. You can not keep people in a permanent state of occupation under military rule. It's costly to Israel financially, politically and in terms of security. Netanyahu would rather deflect from all that by bringing everyone's attention to Iran. Having an enemy to focus on, whether real or percieved unifies and takes everyone's mind off of local troubles. Same thing applies to the Palestinians. As long as they are at war, they don't feel the need to show responsible governance.

I think they should have a process to become legal residents, and even citizens. To become citizens they need to join the IDF like other Israeli citizens.


Otherwise, they should return to their homelands of Jordan or Egypt.

What if there homeland is where they are?

Iran is not a deflection. Iran repeatedly calls for Israel's annihilation, and is the center of terrorist groups throughout the world. It supports, Al Qaida, Hezbollah, and Hamas.

They are working towards nukes.

Iran is an imminent thread to the western world.

I think it's not as much as a threat for Israel as a means of redirecting attention.

 

[CMike]

How about a link from a non partisan source saying just this ?

Like your links?

Bibi's work towards "peace" and a two-state solution:
Israeli president says Netanyahu torpedoed peace deal News The Week UK
Netanyahu has rejected two-state solution - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East
Herzog I Doubt Netanyahu Will Lead Us to Peace - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

He is absolutely right. There is no one at this time on the arab side whom wants peace.

Jews were ethically cleaned from the Gaza and we see the result.

By whom?

That was the deal reached unfortunately with Israel.

Every Jew was forced to leave the area. To his discredit Sharon agreed to this, and forcefully removed Jews from their homes.

And what was gained? Shortly thereafter missiles started being launched from Gaza into Israel's populated cities.

It's a great lesson of what not to do again.

So Sharon removed them from Gaza. Israel ethnically cleansed it's own people.

My impression of this was that this was a unilateral move on Sharon's part to disengage from Gaza - not a "deal".

Pretty stupid of Sharon. It was a deal.

Sharon was planning diplomatic moves beyond Gaza leaked documents reveal - Diplomacy and Defense - Israel News Haaretz

 

[CMike]

Current status quo is untennable. The current oppose every compromise and sticking to your guns approach isn't going to work. Everyone just wants peace, but the current regime would rather have war than peace where an equitable compromise is the deal.

Agree. Though I'm not sure if it's what you meant. You can not keep people in a permanent state of occupation under military rule. It's costly to Israel financially, politically and in terms of security. Netanyahu would rather deflect from all that by bringing everyone's attention to Iran. Having an enemy to focus on, whether real or percieved unifies and takes everyone's mind off of local troubles. Same thing applies to the Palestinians. As long as they are at war, they don't feel the need to show responsible governance.

I think they should have a process to become legal residents, and even citizens. To become citizens they need to join the IDF like other Israeli citizens.


Otherwise, they should return to their homelands of Jordan or Egypt.

What if there homeland is where they are?

It's not the West Bank was taken from Jordan, the palestinian state.

Gaza was taken from Egypt.

Those countries are their homelands.

 

[Coyote]

Current status quo is untennable. The current oppose every compromise and sticking to your guns approach isn't going to work. Everyone just wants peace, but the current regime would rather have war than peace where an equitable compromise is the deal.

Agree. Though I'm not sure if it's what you meant. You can not keep people in a permanent state of occupation under military rule. It's costly to Israel financially, politically and in terms of security. Netanyahu would rather deflect from all that by bringing everyone's attention to Iran. Having an enemy to focus on, whether real or percieved unifies and takes everyone's mind off of local troubles. Same thing applies to the Palestinians. As long as they are at war, they don't feel the need to show responsible governance.

I think they should have a process to become legal residents, and even citizens. To become citizens they need to join the IDF like other Israeli citizens.


Otherwise, they should return to their homelands of Jordan or Egypt.

What if there homeland is where they are?

It's not the West Bank was taken from Jordan, the palestinian state.

Gaza was taken from Egypt.

Those countries are their homelands.

Then return WB to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt.

 

[Hossfly]

Current status quo is untennable. The current oppose every compromise and sticking to your guns approach isn't going to work. Everyone just wants peace, but the current regime would rather have war than peace where an equitable compromise is the deal.

Agree. Though I'm not sure if it's what you meant. You can not keep people in a permanent state of occupation under military rule. It's costly to Israel financially, politically and in terms of security. Netanyahu would rather deflect from all that by bringing everyone's attention to Iran. Having an enemy to focus on, whether real or percieved unifies and takes everyone's mind off of local troubles. Same thing applies to the Palestinians. As long as they are at war, they don't feel the need to show responsible governance.

I think they should have a process to become legal residents, and even citizens. To become citizens they need to join the IDF like other Israeli citizens.


Otherwise, they should return to their homelands of Jordan or Egypt.

What if there homeland is where they are?

It's not the West Bank was taken from Jordan, the palestinian state.

Gaza was taken from Egypt.

Those countries are their homelands.

Then return WB to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt.

No can do. They came with the original deed to Moses. Plus a hell of a lot of acreage in Trans-Jordan