Did Middle East mediator Martin Indyk reveal Obama's plan for Israel without Netanyahu in charge?

[ChrisL]

What's Netanyahu's peace plan? What's he done to advance peace? Anything?

And please - let's not go "but the Palestinians...but Hamas...but but but". What's Bibi done? Far as I can see he has done far less than any of his predecessors.

Why should anyone negotiate with terrorists? It just encourages them. Once they stop using terror tactics and recognize that Israel isn't going anywhere, that's when they will be considered. Until then, I wouldn't oblige them either.

 

[ChrisL]

Go President Obama!

Will you still feel the same way when the Israelis are being massacred by American weapons in their hundreds of thousands because of some fantasy borders that only exist in islamonazi propaganda and fantasy

Just another Obama Butt Kisser, apparently.

 

[Phoenall]

If Obama gets his puppet government in Israel. Will they then accept Obama's 67' boarders "peace" plan? I think so...

As the White House sees it, if Herzog/Livni form the next government, then Jerusalem will dance to Obama’s tune. If Netanyahu is reelected, then the entire edifice of Obama’s Middle East policy may topple and fall.

Secretary of State John Kerry made clear the administration’s desire to topple Netanyahu last spring during his remarks before the Trilateral Commission. It was during that memorable speech that Kerry libeled Israel, claiming that we would automatically and naturally become an apartheid state if we didn’t give Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria to the PLO, Jew free, as quickly as possible.

Despite Israel’s venality, Kerry held out hope. In his words, “if there is a change of government [in Israel], or a change of heart, something will happen.”

Shortly after Kerry gave his Israel apartheid speech, his Middle East mediator Martin Indyk attacked Israel and the character of the Israeli people in an astounding interview to Yediot Aharonot.

Among other things, Indyk hinted that to force Israel to make concessions demanded by the PLO, the Palestinians may need to launch another terror war.

Indyk also threatened that the Palestinians will get their state whether Israel agrees to their terms of not. In his words, “They will get their state in the end – whether through violence or by turning to international organizations.”

Indyk made his statements as an unnamed US official. When his identity was exposed, he was forced to resign his position.
Following his departure from government service he returned to his previous position as vice president of the Brookings Institution and the director of its foreign policy program. Last September, The New York Times reported that the Brookings Institute received a $14.8 million, four-year donation from Qatar, the chief financier of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood

This week, Indyk was back in Israel to speak at the annual conference of the Institute for National Security Studies. There he provided us with a picture of what we can expect from the Obama administration in its remaining two years in office if Netanyahu forms the next government.

On the Palestinian front, Indyk warned that Israel shouldn’t be worried about the Palestinians getting an anti-Israel resolution passed in the UN Security Council. Rather, it can expect that the US will join with the other permanent members of the UN Security Council to pass a resolution “against Israel’s will” that will “lay out the principle of a two-state solution.”

As Indyk intimated, Israel can avoid this fate if it elects a Herzog/Livni government. Such a government, he indicated, will preemptively give in to all of the Palestinians demands and so avoid a confrontation with the US and its colleagues at the Security Council.

Indyk explained, “If there is a government in Israel after these elections that decides to pursue a two-state solution, then there is a way forward. It begins with coordinating an initiative with the United States. And then, together with the US, looking to Egypt and Jordan and the resurrection of the Arab Peace Initiative.”

Column one Netanyahu s true electoral rival - Opinion - Jerusalem Post

Good. Wouldn't it be nice if Israel elected somebody who actually wanted peace?

Do you mean peace that meets with arab muslim plans for world domination, and would lead to another holocaust. Only this time it will be beamed into your homes in glorious colour for you to gloat over, and brag about. Why should Israel bow down to terrorists when the terrorists should be the ones calling for peace.

 

[Penelope]

President Obama and his staff are not well received in Israel anyways.

Obama approval ratings dive in Israel on Iran and Peace Talks

"But in Israel, at least, the damage was done. Friday’s Israel Hayomdaily carried yet another poll, this one showing only 21% of Israeli Jews thought Kerry was speaking out of “concern for Israel.” Sixty percent, the survey said, took his warning as a threat."

Hopefully when Kerry speaks it's out of "concern for the U.S."

Of course not. If he cared about the US, he would be in support of our allies, not our enemies and people who hate us.

Israel is not our ally, they use us, they are not a friend, they use us.

Fortunately, you are not privy to any inside information, so you have no idea what Israel does for the US.

I know what they do in the US, buy our politicians, and I know what we pay them, 3.2 billion plus a year, so what do they do for us now? Can you name anything? We just can't see their fruit I guess. did hey help fight in Iraq, no, how about Syria, no, So we also fight their wars.

 

[Phoenall]

President Obama and his staff are not well received in Israel anyways.

Obama approval ratings dive in Israel on Iran and Peace Talks

"But in Israel, at least, the damage was done. Friday’s Israel Hayomdaily carried yet another poll, this one showing only 21% of Israeli Jews thought Kerry was speaking out of “concern for Israel.” Sixty percent, the survey said, took his warning as a threat."

Hopefully when Kerry speaks it's out of "concern for the U.S."

Hopefully when the people of Israel speak out it is for the concern of Israel and not some lunatic left wing muslim appeaser

 

[Hossfly]

What's Netanyahu's peace plan? What's he done to advance peace? Anything?

And please - let's not go "but the Palestinians...but Hamas...but but but". What's Bibi done? Far as I can see he has done far less than any of his predecessors.

"But" what about Abbas, Haniyeh and Godfather Yassir? What about their 'peace' efforts'? And please....Don't say.... "but,but,but....they always told the world and the Arab world the same thing."

 

[ChrisL]

President Obama and his staff are not well received in Israel anyways.

Obama approval ratings dive in Israel on Iran and Peace Talks

"But in Israel, at least, the damage was done. Friday’s Israel Hayomdaily carried yet another poll, this one showing only 21% of Israeli Jews thought Kerry was speaking out of “concern for Israel.” Sixty percent, the survey said, took his warning as a threat."

Hopefully when Kerry speaks it's out of "concern for the U.S."

Of course not. If he cared about the US, he would be in support of our allies, not our enemies and people who hate us.

Israel is not our ally, they use us, they are not a friend, they use us.

Fortunately, you are not privy to any inside information, so you have no idea what Israel does for the US.

I know what they do in the US, buy our politicians, and I know what we pay them, 3.2 billion plus a year, so what do they do for us now? Can you name anything? We just can't see their fruit I guess. did hey help fight in Iraq, no, how about Syria, no, So we also fight their wars.

Lol. Why do you think the United States is such a close ally to Israel? For nothing? Then in the same breath, you'll say we're bullies. Just because you don't know what they do (which is probably to provide us with valuable intelligence about our enemies, such as Iran), doesn't mean they don't do anything. Like I told you, you aren't privy to any governmental secrets . . .

 

[Phoenall]

What's Netanyahu's peace plan? What's he done to advance peace? Anything?

And please - let's not go "but the Palestinians...but Hamas...but but but". What's Bibi done? Far as I can see he has done far less than any of his predecessors.

Mutually agreed borders, an end to terrorism, violence and belligerence, an end to islamonazi propaganda and a workable mutually agreed peace deal.

Now what have the Palestinians done to advance peace apart from murder children, fire illegal weapons at Israeli civilians and attempted to blow up Israeli schools when the children are in them ?

 

[Phoenall]

President Obama and his staff are not well received in Israel anyways.

Obama approval ratings dive in Israel on Iran and Peace Talks

"But in Israel, at least, the damage was done. Friday’s Israel Hayomdaily carried yet another poll, this one showing only 21% of Israeli Jews thought Kerry was speaking out of “concern for Israel.” Sixty percent, the survey said, took his warning as a threat."

Hopefully when Kerry speaks it's out of "concern for the U.S."

Of course not. If he cared about the US, he would be in support of our allies, not our enemies and people who hate us.

Israel is not our ally, they use us, they are not a friend, they use us.

Fortunately, you are not privy to any inside information, so you have no idea what Israel does for the US.

I know what they do in the US, buy our politicians, and I know what we pay them, 3.2 billion plus a year, so what do they do for us now? Can you name anything? We just can't see their fruit I guess. did hey help fight in Iraq, no, how about Syria, no, So we also fight their wars.

They pay back 2.7 billion plus interest to keep American defence workers employed for starters. Then they supply American hospitals with state of the art medial equipment and medicines. They also keep the American economy on an even keel when they manipulate the worlds share markets. They also pay more taxes than any other group including the Christian Americans. They don't kill 3000 American civilians, or bomb American soldiers protecting them from terrorists.

As for buying politicians they cant be doing a very good job as Iran is still standing, Syria is still standing and Mecca has not been turned into a parking lot. Because if the politivians had been bought as you claim then that would have been the outcome. You ask why they did not help in Iraq and Syria, ever thought that it was because the muslims bought enough politicians to demand they stay out of those wars. Because I can remember it being headline news 15 years ago when Iraq was firing Scud missiles at Israel and American telling Israel to keep their noses out of the war in Iraq OR ELSE.

 

[Phoenall]

If Obama gets his puppet government in Israel. Will they then accept Obama's 67' boarders "peace" plan? I think so...

As the White House sees it, if Herzog/Livni form the next government, then Jerusalem will dance to Obama’s tune. If Netanyahu is reelected, then the entire edifice of Obama’s Middle East policy may topple and fall.

Secretary of State John Kerry made clear the administration’s desire to topple Netanyahu last spring during his remarks before the Trilateral Commission. It was during that memorable speech that Kerry libeled Israel, claiming that we would automatically and naturally become an apartheid state if we didn’t give Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria to the PLO, Jew free, as quickly as possible.

Despite Israel’s venality, Kerry held out hope. In his words, “if there is a change of government [in Israel], or a change of heart, something will happen.”

Shortly after Kerry gave his Israel apartheid speech, his Middle East mediator Martin Indyk attacked Israel and the character of the Israeli people in an astounding interview to Yediot Aharonot.

Among other things, Indyk hinted that to force Israel to make concessions demanded by the PLO, the Palestinians may need to launch another terror war.

Indyk also threatened that the Palestinians will get their state whether Israel agrees to their terms of not. In his words, “They will get their state in the end – whether through violence or by turning to international organizations.”

Indyk made his statements as an unnamed US official. When his identity was exposed, he was forced to resign his position.
Following his departure from government service he returned to his previous position as vice president of the Brookings Institution and the director of its foreign policy program. Last September, The New York Times reported that the Brookings Institute received a $14.8 million, four-year donation from Qatar, the chief financier of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood

This week, Indyk was back in Israel to speak at the annual conference of the Institute for National Security Studies. There he provided us with a picture of what we can expect from the Obama administration in its remaining two years in office if Netanyahu forms the next government.

On the Palestinian front, Indyk warned that Israel shouldn’t be worried about the Palestinians getting an anti-Israel resolution passed in the UN Security Council. Rather, it can expect that the US will join with the other permanent members of the UN Security Council to pass a resolution “against Israel’s will” that will “lay out the principle of a two-state solution.”

As Indyk intimated, Israel can avoid this fate if it elects a Herzog/Livni government. Such a government, he indicated, will preemptively give in to all of the Palestinians demands and so avoid a confrontation with the US and its colleagues at the Security Council.

Indyk explained, “If there is a government in Israel after these elections that decides to pursue a two-state solution, then there is a way forward. It begins with coordinating an initiative with the United States. And then, together with the US, looking to Egypt and Jordan and the resurrection of the Arab Peace Initiative.”

Column one Netanyahu s true electoral rival - Opinion - Jerusalem Post

Good. Wouldn't it be nice if Israel elected somebody who actually wanted peace?

Unfortunately, there is no one on the arab side for Israel to make peace with.

Yes Israel has pretty much made enemies of everyone. Even most evangelicals are beginning to see the light.

And leaving the Evangelical church in their droves because of their Jew hatred. Or haven't you seen the headlines about that, and how the evangelical church is folding because of lack of funds.

This is the reality about evangelicals

Evangelical Leaders Reflect on Israel Palestine


The NAE did not directly ask its leaders what their views on Israel and Palestine were in 2000 or are now. However, their comments expressed strong continuing support for Israel’s right to exist and appreciation for Israel as a democratic nation and U.S. ally. Many evangelicals also support Israel for biblical and theological reasons.

 

[Phoenall]

President Obama and his staff are not well received in Israel anyways.

Obama approval ratings dive in Israel on Iran and Peace Talks

"But in Israel, at least, the damage was done. Friday’s Israel Hayomdaily carried yet another poll, this one showing only 21% of Israeli Jews thought Kerry was speaking out of “concern for Israel.” Sixty percent, the survey said, took his warning as a threat."

Hopefully when Kerry speaks it's out of "concern for the U.S."

Of course not. If he cared about the US, he would be in support of our allies, not our enemies and people who hate us.

Israel is not our ally, they use us, they are not a friend, they use us.

No that is the muslims, who use everyone they can. If Israel ceased to exist tomorrow who would you turn on when even more children were getting murdered in Palestine. The Egyptians, Jordanians or the Palestinians ?

 

[Phoenall]

And here I thought America was dancing to Netanyahu's tune....(sarcasm alert).

Bibi is doing everything possible to prevent a two-state solution and keep the Palestinians in a permanent state of occupation in an ever decreasing area.

How about a link from a non partisan source saying just this ?

 

[Phoenall]

Screw Kerry and double screw Obabble with a jackhammer. The two biggest Israel haters in America.

I disagree. Just because they refuse to do Israel's bidding at every turn does not make them Israel haters.

You forget that Obama is a muslim and muslims are forced into hating Jews. It is a command from their gods

 

[Phoenall]

What's Netanyahu's peace plan? What's he done to advance peace? Anything?

And please - let's not go "but the Palestinians...but Hamas...but but but". What's Bibi done? Far as I can see he has done far less than any of his predecessors.

Agreed to sit down and talk without pre conditions and starting on a level playing field. After so long it gets frustrating when the other side demands illegal pre conditions to the meeting taking place possibly, maybe. He has done more than anyone when he unleashed the troops when he said he would and kept them as far from the fighting to minimise the numbers of deaths. That is the only language the muslims understand as proven by the peace that exists between the Palestinians and Jordan/Lebanon.

 

[Hossfly]

Hopefully when Kerry speaks it's out of "concern for the U.S."

Of course not. If he cared about the US, he would be in support of our allies, not our enemies and people who hate us.

Israel is not our ally, they use us, they are not a friend, they use us.

Fortunately, you are not privy to any inside information, so you have no idea what Israel does for the US.

I know what they do in the US, buy our politicians, and I know what we pay them, 3.2 billion plus a year, so what do they do for us now? Can you name anything? We just can't see their fruit I guess. did hey help fight in Iraq, no, how about Syria, no, So we also fight their wars.

They pay back 2.7 billion plus interest to keep American defence workers employed for starters. Then they supply American hospitals with state of the art medial equipment and medicines. They also keep the American economy on an even keel when they manipulate the worlds share markets. They also pay more taxes than any other group including the Christian Americans. They don't kill 3000 American civilians, or bomb American soldiers protecting them from terrorists.

As for buying politicians they cant be doing a very good job as Iran is still standing, Syria is still standing and Mecca has not been turned into a parking lot. Because if the politivians had been bought as you claim then that would have been the outcome. You ask why they did not help in Iraq and Syria, ever thought that it was because the muslims bought enough politicians to demand they stay out of those wars. Because I can remember it being headline news 15 years ago when Iraq was firing Scud missiles at Israel and American telling Israel to keep their noses out of the war in Iraq OR ELSE.

You cannot get this into Islamic terrorist supporters heads because of

 

[Coyote]

Screw Kerry and double screw Obabble with a jackhammer. The two biggest Israel haters in America.

I disagree. Just because they refuse to do Israel's bidding at every turn does not make them Israel haters.

You forget that Obama is a muslim and muslims are forced into hating Jews. It is a command from their gods

Now you are just being silly.

 

[Coyote]

What's Netanyahu's peace plan? What's he done to advance peace? Anything?

And please - let's not go "but the Palestinians...but Hamas...but but but". What's Bibi done? Far as I can see he has done far less than any of his predecessors.

Agreed to sit down and talk without pre conditions and starting on a level playing field. After so long it gets frustrating when the other side demands illegal pre conditions to the meeting taking place possibly, maybe. He has done more than anyone when he unleashed the troops when he said he would and kept them as far from the fighting to minimise the numbers of deaths. That is the only language the muslims understand as proven by the peace that exists between the Palestinians and Jordan/Lebanon.

Wrong. He had preconditions. He just labeled them "preconditions to peace". Effectively no difference. He has done nothing to promote peace.

 

[Coyote]

And here I thought America was dancing to Netanyahu's tune....(sarcasm alert).

Bibi is doing everything possible to prevent a two-state solution and keep the Palestinians in a permanent state of occupation in an ever decreasing area.

How about a link from a non partisan source saying just this ?

Like your links?

Bibi's work towards "peace" and a two-state solution:
Israeli president says Netanyahu torpedoed peace deal News The Week UK
Netanyahu has rejected two-state solution - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East
Herzog I Doubt Netanyahu Will Lead Us to Peace - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

 

[ChrisL]

And here I thought America was dancing to Netanyahu's tune....(sarcasm alert).

Bibi is doing everything possible to prevent a two-state solution and keep the Palestinians in a permanent state of occupation in an ever decreasing area.

How about a link from a non partisan source saying just this ?

Like your links?

Bibi's work towards "peace" and a two-state solution:
Israeli president says Netanyahu torpedoed peace deal News The Week UK
Netanyahu has rejected two-state solution - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East
Herzog I Doubt Netanyahu Will Lead Us to Peace - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

Sorry, but I don't blame him. I wouldn't even consider it!

 

[ChrisL]

That would be like rewarding them for their terror tactics. No, they have shown that they cannot care for their own people. They would just be another terrorist state, and we and the rest of the world cannot afford to take the risks.