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Hyperbole isn't a strong argument- First, define average. Second, how many actually froze to death. Third, what's the population of Texas?the average Texan was freezing to death last week with no power.
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Hyperbole isn't a strong argument- First, define average. Second, how many actually froze to death. Third, what's the population of Texas?the average Texan was freezing to death last week with no power.
21% of Texas energy output is wind- Natural Gas is and has been around a long time and plentiful- coal is also used as well as oil- the transmission (moving of oil and gas) equipment froze. The Windmills froze- and the wind was all but non-existent down here in the Houston area and the wind mills are all west and north of here in the flat land-Texas relies way too much on Wind, and natural gas.
It seems your referring to this latest freeze witch shut down coal, natural gas, nuclear, 50%of the wind turbines .Yes, because Texas relies way too much on Wind, and natural gas. Even one of their nuclear plants shut down because of the cold. They bought into the Green Energy hoax, and paid the price. Now idiots on the left want them to go more into Green a Energy.Last post tonight for me. Read it dude...5 members of Texas' electrical grid board have resigned in shame. It's a political matter. Congress is going to look into it.No, libtards are calling on Abbot to resign, because they make everything about politics.Politics has Everything to do with it! That's why people are calling on Abbott to re-----you know what it's like 1 in the morning and you're not even trying.What does politics have to do with it?Coming as a surprise to no one.The Wall Street Journal says Texans have paid 28 Billion dollars higher under deregulation than consumers in other states with regulations.
Yet conservatives will continue to adhere blindly to failed, wrongheaded conservative fiscal dogma.
Six ERCOT members resign after catastrophic Texas blackouts during winter storm
The six resignations were finalized after an urgent board meeting on Wednesday morning.www.nbcnews.com
EDIT: Whoops, I guess 6 resigned now. So another person now.
Name the regulations that would had prevented this power outage.-theHawk
Read this...you can see how close Texas was to total meltdown and grid failure.
ERCOT: Texas Was 4 Minutes and 37 Seconds Away From a Blackout That Could Have Lasted Months
The board that oversees ERCOT held an urgent meeting Wednesday morning to discuss the winter storm that crippled most of Texas last week. They offered apologies for the devastation the power outages have caused and pledged to gather the facts to help lawmakers determine how to prevent it from...www.nbcdfw.com
El Paso is on a National Grid-Texas had a similar freeze with similar results in 2010 but Elpaso
Another bullshit propaganda piece by somebody who doesn't live here.The Wall Street Journal says Texans have paid 28 Billion dollars higher under deregulation than consumers in other states with regulations.
Link!The Wall Street Journal says Texans have paid 28 Billion dollars higher under deregulation than consumers in other states with regulations.
That's a very general statement.
Over how years and on what?
Sir I respect your views and yes I agree that freezing weather is the primary culprit but the underlying cause is a lack of preparedness . As I’m sure you have read by now even your Governor is calling for winterization of the electrical infrastructure. Finally your point about this being an event that hasn’t happened as I think you mention in eighty years doesn’t square with the event that caused a similar power failure in Texas in 2010 or 2011 I’m not sure which as if this writing. There’s culpability here sir. Texan’s shouldn’t have had to suffer this way.21% of Texas energy output is wind- Natural Gas is and has been around a long time and plentiful- coal is also used as well as oil- the transmission (moving of oil and gas) equipment froze. The Windmills froze- and the wind was all but non-existent down here in the Houston area and the wind mills are all west and north of here in the flat land-Texas relies way too much on Wind, and natural gas.
Texas wasn't prepared for for something that has never happened- at least in my lifetime (73years) and it hasn't snowed in Houston, in Feb, in 80 years- sub 20 degree weather for days on end and in a couple places it was in the minus column- the wind chill in Lubbock (500 miles north of Houston) was -15 - one morning when I got up (around 6 am it was 9 degrees about 40 miles north of Houston proper) the avg temp in the Houston area, in the winter, (Dec- Feb) is in the upper 30's and low 40's- that is average over 100 or so years-
Politicians and their acolytes blame it on politics-
All the legislation in question, dating back to 1995, was supported across the aisle in AustinComing as a surprise to no one.The Wall Street Journal says Texans have paid 28 Billion dollars higher under deregulation than consumers in other states with regulations.
Yet conservatives will continue to adhere blindly to failed, wrongheaded conservative fiscal dogma.
Immaterial- after the fact usually is- the snow, in Houston, in February, hasn't happened in 80 years. I have never (in my 73 years) seen it that cold for that amount of time down here, 50+ of which I've lived in the Houston area- Temperature requires time to do it's job (take effect). Period. It's not an instantaneous result. The temps stayed sub 20 degrees for several days- the average temp in Houston, Dec - Feb is 30's and 40, with an occasional dip below freezing for a few hours. NEVER sustained-Sir I respect your views and yes I agree that freezing weather is the primary culprit but the underlying cause is a lack of preparedness . As I’m sure you have read by now even your Governor is calling for winterization of the electrical infrastructure. Finally your point about this being an event that hasn’t happened as I think you mention in eighty years doesn’t square with the event that caused a similar power failure in Texas in 2010 or 2011 I’m not sure which as if this writing. There’s culpability here sir. Texan’s shouldn’t have had to suffer this way.
All my water gas and electric gets paid to my city.-Dekster
Yeah, can you not attack me and then say exactly what i just said.
Just for clarification, the average rate in Texas is 12.2/KWh. The average rate in California is 22.26/KWH. ( Electricity Rates by State (February 2021) | ChooseEnergy.com® ) The argument that not having regulations costs people more simply doesn't hold water.
Just for clarification, the average Texan was freezing to death last week with no power.
The Wall Street Journal says Texans have paid 28 Billion dollars higher under deregulation than consumers in other states with regulations.
Because the actual report is probably several hundreds pages long and is technically beyond our scope.Link!The Wall Street Journal says Texans have paid 28 Billion dollars higher under deregulation than consumers in other states with regulations.
That's a very general statement.
Over how years and on what?
Why don't you google the report and read it for yourself a$$hat?
Just about every state has local utility companies, as well as regional power grids.Nearly 20 years ago, Texas shifted from using full-service regulated utilities to generate power and deliver it to consumers. The state deregulated power generation, creating the system that failed last week. And it required nearly 60% of consumers to buy their electricity from one of many retail power companies, rather than a local utility.Which regulations are they missing?The Wall Street Journal says Texans have paid 28 Billion dollars higher under deregulation than consumers in other states with regulations.
In other words our provider here (Oncor) sublets utilities to hundreds of companies here in the state, rather than doing it themselves. They are the local utility - but Texas has retail power companies that act as the middle man.
In short: Let's say you buy insurance. Well, you want a reputable company right? With a large brand...probably someone you have heard of and know by name. Someone with a track record. So you go with, let's say, Geico. That's cool. I doubt you would want to go with "Mom and Pop's Insurance Emporium" and then when you go to a make a claim, it's a crock.
But in Texas, in order to get your electricity, there are about 200 companies you can choose from and they're all offering you some kind of deal or rebate or maybe even a NEST system for free for joining. But wait, about 175 of these companies are start-ups you've never heard of...never seen a commercial for 'em...no idea if they'll answer when you call customer service...Yeah. Most Texans are getting their power from these little no-name companies and brands with no track record.
When I buy a product, I want a brand and a reputation behind it. Texas deregulation made it so that that is not a thing here. It's a corporate, Capitalist shitfest of a system meant to benefit shareholders and utility start-up CEO's.
Now I asked what regulations they don’t have. You didn’t answer my question.
Go look at the way they exchange power and their rates in the last few weeks adn you'll know
Power is capped in illinois, i will never see a 6k bill they can't just gouge irrelvant of the actual market value of the energy i receive. The providers will only be able to legally pay so much then they can't turn a profit so they wont' buy.
I could look up the relevant regulations but I don't need to. That's basic governance
We were jailing people for scalping toilet paper and hand sanitizer. Yea you can't gouge energy prices in a blizzard for fucks sake
WHole thing reeks of enron
This issue isn’t billing by the utility companies. The issue is the power outage, and the supposed “deregulation” that caused it.
The billing issues only applied to a very small percentage of people on a special program, and will likely get their bills fixed by the utility company or the state.
The Wall Street Journal says Texans have paid 28 Billion dollars higher under deregulation than consumers in other states with regulations.