Dems Big Push for 2014: Minimum Wage

[The Rabbi]

The minimum wage adjusted for inflation has been falling for 45 years.

All wages adjusted for inflation have fallen. You need a new talking point. The fact is that there are fewer and fewer min wage jobs out there, period.

But you called that a pay cut for Veterans.

Are you drunk?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Oh goody! MORE vote buying as it will run more businesses out of business AND cost more jobs.

The left still doesn't get it, they never will.

No.
The Democrats get "it" very well.
"It" = GET ELECTED.
People are fooling themselves if you don't think this carrot will work.
DEMOCRAT PARTY PLATFORM 2016
1) Obamacare...yes it is bad, but it is all we could get passed with the obstructionist Republicans in office...99% of democrats will believe it.
2) Raise minimum wage...PURE GOLD...it would be difficult to think of a better way to buy votes more effectively than this. HUGE factor.
3) Increase Pell grants and education giveaways....works like a charm every time.
4) Increase taxes on the wealthiest. Yes, they will drag this back out of the closet...and it will help them again.
The Democrats have more ammunition than Republicans. Giving more tax dollars to the unwilling and underachieved is a formidable opponent that will continue to plague Republicans for years to come.

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is more damage control targeted at their lowbrow constiuency; ingratiation - an attempt to recover some grace, and their further continuence to destroy wealth. The free market should be the sole establisher of wage - it is the only fair institution!

You must have an amusing idea of what 'fair' is.

Fair Market Value! Please enlighten me - what is your definition of fair?

Fair is what is good for the people.

Fair, for example, is having an educational system where every child gets an opportunity to go to school,

even if his parents cannot afford to pay 'fair market value'.

You would call that unfair. Fair to you would be, if you want your kids to go to school, you pay the 'fair market value' for an education, out of your own pocket,

and if you can't afford it, too bad. Your inability to afford it is part of what you would call the fairness of a market based system.

 

[Kosh]

Oh look the latest far left talking point has been downloaded and so far they have shown that they do not understand what they post all they know is that they must post the far left propaganda.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/30/u...rn-to-minimum-wage-as-2014-strategy.html?_r=0

The effort to take advantage of growing populism among voters in both parties is being coordinated by officials from the White House, labor unions and liberal advocacy groups.

In a series of strategy meetings and conference calls among them in recent weeks, they have focused on two levels: an effort to raise the federal minimum wage, which will be pushed by President Obama and congressional leaders, and a campaign to place state-level minimum wage proposals on the ballot in states with hotly contested congressional races.

With polls showing widespread support for an increase in the $7.25-per-hour federal minimum wage among both Republican and Democratic voters, top Democrats see not only a wedge issue that they hope will place Republican candidates in a difficult position, but also a tool with which to enlarge the electorate in a nonpresidential election, when turnout among minorities and youths typically drops off.

“It puts Republicans on the wrong side of an important value issue when it comes to fairness,” said Dan Pfeiffer, the president’s senior adviser. “You can make a very strong case that this will be a helpful issue for Democrats in 2014. But the goal here is to actually get it done. That’s why the president put it on the agenda.”

That's certainly going to make the 2014 elections interesting.

Anything to deflect from Obamacare.

 

[The Rabbi]

You must have an amusing idea of what 'fair' is.

Fair Market Value! Please enlighten me - what is your definition of fair?

Fair is what is good for the people.

Fair, for example, is having an educational system where every child gets an opportunity to go to school,

even if his parents cannot afford to pay 'fair market value'.

You would call that unfair. Fair to you would be, if you want your kids to go to school, you pay the 'fair market value' for an education, out of your own pocket,

and if you can't afford it, too bad. Your inability to afford it is part of the fairness of a market based system.

He's asking about wages, numbnuts.

 

[Stephanie]

Oh goody! MORE vote buying as it will run more businesses out of business AND cost more jobs.

The left still doesn't get it, they never will.

No.
The Democrats get "it" very well.
"It" = GET ELECTED.
People are fooling themselves if you don't think this carrot will work.
DEMOCRAT PARTY PLATFORM 2016
1) Obamacare...yes it is bad, but it is all we could get passed with the obstructionist Republicans in office...99% of democrats will believe it.
2) Raise minimum wage...PURE GOLD...it would be difficult to think of a better way to buy votes more effectively than this. HUGE factor.
3) Increase Pell grants and education giveaways....works like a charm every time.
4) Increase taxes on the wealthiest. Yes, they will drag this back out of the closet...and it will help them again.
The Democrats have more ammunition than Republicans. Giving more tax dollars to the unwilling and underachieved is a formidable opponent that will continue to plague Republicans for years to come.

unfortunately you are probably right...the people today want to have things given to them and have no shame in taking money from taxpayers

 

[Duped]

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Facts have a conservative bias.

No, actually they don't.

Raising the minimum wage had no discernible effect on employment or unemployment.

As for teenage employment or unemployment, I'd fully support a graduated minimum wage like they do in Australia.

Correlation<>Causality.
But you knew that.
The fact is that every time the min wage goes up, teenage unemployment goes down. Black teenage unemployment is even worse.
Why don't you care about black teenagers? Oh yeah, you just want to abort all of them. So much for Dem compassion.

They don't care about facts, or empirical data. They care about the illusion of the fairness doctrine, if it sounds good, but destined for debacle - they are all in; destruction under the guise of compassion is their game!

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Pretty smart move if the DEMS are willing to play the long game with it. The nation is ready for a higher FMW. The basic lie about it is that it will raise prices. Prices are rising anyway without the added benefit of additional pay for the workers so, at least, this will include that benefit.

Again, when you have a consumer based economy and wages for the consumers remain flat, you're going to have some economic problems since your engine isn't getting any fuel. At the very least, this will be fuel for the engine. I doubt the engine will go very far at the outset because a lot of the new monies will go toward debt reduction but after that, you'll see some real growth.

This is the dumbest post yet.

Let me paraphrase you, prices are already rising so let's help make them rise faster and higher.

Policymakers need to find ways to reduce the barriers to job creation instead of adding to them.

Raising the FMW will keep younger workers that primarily need these jobs from getting these jobs. Businesses will either eliminate positions or hire more experienced workers at the higher mandated wage.

 

[Stephanie]

Now we see how a man like Obama got elected President

Democrat base, fall for anything the (party) and their masters dish out

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You must have an amusing idea of what 'fair' is.

Fair Market Value! Please enlighten me - what is your definition of fair?

Fair is what is good for the people.

Fair, for example, is having an educational system where every child gets an opportunity to go to school,

even if his parents cannot afford to pay 'fair market value'.

You would call that unfair. Fair to you would be, if you want your kids to go to school, you pay the 'fair market value' for an education, out of your own pocket,

and if you can't afford it, too bad. Your inability to afford it is part of what you would call the fairness of a market based system.

Who the hell is unable to go to school?

Who the hell can't afford a free education?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Raising the minimum wage is a job killer. Simple as that.

The minimum wage adjusted for inflation has been falling for 45 years.

All wages adjusted for inflation have fallen. You need a new talking point. The fact is that there are fewer and fewer min wage jobs out there, period.

Nothing you said has anything to do with what I said. Are you in the wrong thread or just the wrong post?

 

[Seawytch]

A recent recent study [pdf] by economists at the University of California examined every state and federal minimum wage increase over the past two decades and found that they did not lead to declines in teen employment. Their analysis included an in-depth examination of minimum wage increases during times of high unemployment&#8212;including the Great Recession of 2007-2009&#8212; and found that even in these difficult economic periods, increases in the minimum wage did not cause job loss or slow rehiring.

Do Minimum Wages Really Reduce Teen Employment? Accounting for Heterogeneity and Selectivity in State Panel Data

 

[NYcarbineer]

Fair Market Value! Please enlighten me - what is your definition of fair?

Fair is what is good for the people.

Fair, for example, is having an educational system where every child gets an opportunity to go to school,

even if his parents cannot afford to pay 'fair market value'.

You would call that unfair. Fair to you would be, if you want your kids to go to school, you pay the 'fair market value' for an education, out of your own pocket,

and if you can't afford it, too bad. Your inability to afford it is part of what you would call the fairness of a market based system.

Who the hell is unable to go to school?

Who the hell can't afford a free education?

No one, but that's only because we don't let the market decide who can or cannot afford school.

Government intervention in the so-called free market lets the poor get an education.

Is that unfair?

 

[BobPlumb]

Usually when minimum is raised, it is raised by an amount that has very little effect on the economy. Most of the fast food and grocery store jobs already pay those that stick around more than a few weeks more than what the new minimum wage will be. The new minimum wage will still not be a "living wage" which means the democrats will be playing the same song again when the politics work for it.

If the minimum wage is such a good idea, then it should be raised to at least $20 per hour so that everyone that works will be making a living wage........Right?

 

[Katzndogz]

The democrats will out promise the republicans. Very simple. They will promise free everything. If Americans vote for that, they we deserve everything that will happen to us.

 

[Seawytch]

Fair is what is good for the people.

Fair, for example, is having an educational system where every child gets an opportunity to go to school,

even if his parents cannot afford to pay 'fair market value'.

You would call that unfair. Fair to you would be, if you want your kids to go to school, you pay the 'fair market value' for an education, out of your own pocket,

and if you can't afford it, too bad. Your inability to afford it is part of what you would call the fairness of a market based system.

Who the hell is unable to go to school?

Who the hell can't afford a free education?

No one, but that's only because we don't let the market decide who can or cannot afford school.

Government intervention in the so-called free market lets the poor get an education.

Is that unfair?

It's not fair that people that don't pay any taxes get protected by the same military us taxpayers get protected by.

 

[Seawytch]

Usually when minimum is raised, it is raised by an amount that has very little effect on the economy. Most of the fast food and grocery store jobs already pay those that stick around more than a few weeks more than what the new minimum wage will be. The new minimum wage will still not be a "living wage" which means the democrats will be playing the same song again when the politics work for it.

It the minimum wage is such a good idea, then it should be raised to at least $20 per hour so that everyone that works will be making a living wage........Right?

No, that's what the minimum wage would be if it had been adjusted for inflation.

 

[Duped]

You must have an amusing idea of what 'fair' is.

Fair Market Value! Please enlighten me - what is your definition of fair?

Fair is what is good for the people.

Fair, for example, is having an educational system where every child gets an opportunity to go to school,

even if his parents cannot afford to pay 'fair market value'.

You would call that unfair. Fair to you would be, if you want your kids to go to school, you pay the 'fair market value' for an education, out of your own pocket,

and if you can't afford it, too bad. Your inability to afford it is part of what you would call the fairness of a market based system.

Fair is keeping those who can't aford children from having them. How can you justify having something you can't afford - then burdening others to pay for them

 

[Seawytch]

Fair is keeping those who can't aford children from having them. How can you justify having something you can't afford - then burdening others to pay for them

Oh, and how do you keep people from having children, oh fascist one?