Democrats will be 100% responsible for a shutdown.

[RKMBrown]

The house is elected to do the peoples bidding. Stop whining about what they are doing. You morons are always going on and on about elections having consequences. Reap them then

So why won't Boehner allow a House vote on the clean bill, and thus demonstrate what the people's will actually is?

Oh, that's right, because the clean bill would pass, with all the Democrats and a few Republicans voting for it.

So, there's a house minority openly blocking the people's will now. And you support it.

Why won't Reid allow the senate a vote for the version that defunds Obama Care?

 

[G.T.]

The house is elected to do the peoples bidding. Stop whining about what they are doing. You morons are always going on and on about elections having consequences. Reap them then

So why won't Boehner allow a House vote on the clean bill, and thus demonstrate what the people's will actually is?

Oh, that's right, because the clean bill would pass, with all the Democrats and a few Republicans voting for it.

So, there's a house minority openly blocking the people's will now. And you support it.

Why won't Reid allow the senate to for for the version that defunds Obama Care?

Huh?

They did vote on that. They killed it last week. After the Ted Cruz debacle failed to block the vote, they voted and defeated the bill.

 

[RKMBrown]

Republicans will be 100% responsible for shut down.

Again, if I were Harry Reid, I'd caucus with my party, tell them to increase Obamacare to cover dental and visual and eldercare, send that to the House and let them vote against it...

The match is already over; the GOP lost...so why not spike the football?

Why stop there Candy. Why not just enact out right redistribution of all income and assets. Why do this piece meal? Cmon do it, redistribute everything.

 

[auditor0007]

They are forcing it in the hopes that the gop gets the blame and they cake walk back into control of the house. Party over country.....

From a minority position, Republicans want to dictate all legislation. Sorry, it ain't happening. If there is a shutdown, Republicans will feel the heat. Here's the funniest thing about a shut down; it does absolutely nothing to stop the ACA from rolling out tomorrow.

The more I look at the entire ACA, the more I am understanding that Republicans greatest fear is that it will be successful and most people will actually like the program once they see how it works. Yes, there will be some people who get pinched and end up paying a bit more. Of course, in the past, we have had a very large number of people affected by a system that shut them out, yet Republicans never suggested that was a problem. It's just a problem now that Democrats addressed this situation, and Republicans are afraid that if it's successful, they are doomed.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The house is elected to do the peoples bidding. Stop whining about what they are doing. You morons are always going on and on about elections having consequences. Reap them then

So why won't Boehner allow a House vote on the clean bill, and thus demonstrate what the people's will actually is?

Oh, that's right, because the clean bill would pass, with all the Democrats and a few Republicans voting for it.

So, there's a house minority openly blocking the people's will now. And you support it.

Indeed I do support it. Kill it any way you can

 

[Nyvin]

The house is elected to do the peoples bidding. Stop whining about what they are doing. You morons are always going on and on about elections having consequences. Reap them then

So why won't Boehner allow a House vote on the clean bill, and thus demonstrate what the people's will actually is?

Oh, that's right, because the clean bill would pass, with all the Democrats and a few Republicans voting for it.

So, there's a house minority openly blocking the people's will now. And you support it.

Why won't Reid allow the senate a vote for the version that defunds Obama Care?

They did vote on it....

 

[Montecresto]

Jesus was an advocate of redistribution of wealth!

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Jesus was an advocate of redistribution of wealth!

He also claimed he was the son of god so what's your point?

 

[Plasmaball]

They are forcing it in the hopes that the gop gets the blame and they cake walk back into control of the house. Party over country.....

well outside of basically every poll saying you are wrong, yeah sure we can go with this.
Or you know The Gop knew by putting those things in the bill, the Senate would not vote on the bill, thus being able to say its the dems fault for shutting down government.

but no we will go with your opinion that its the dems fault.


Seriously who do you people think you are fooling? No really who do you think you are fooling here? Sometimes you guys wrap the bubble too tightly.

 

[Montecresto]

Jesus was an advocate of redistribution of wealth!

He also claimed he was the son of god so what's your point?

I miss your point.

 

[Plasmaball]

They are forcing it in the hopes that the gop gets the blame and they cake walk back into control of the house. Party over country.....

No matter how many times you tell that same lie, the public isn't buying it. Ted Cruz owned the shutdown for the GOP. He put his performance art face all over it. Only one party is willing to shut down the government over what they cannot accomplish legislatively and it's not the Democrats.

No matter how many times you lie about it, the GOP has already voted to keep government open. The only way that the GOP gets the blame is if the media drums that message over and over again, in the face of the facts to the contrary.

except this isnt true. The reality is both parties will be to blame, but all this was planned out way before hand. This is politics and a deal will be made in the end like always.

You people buy this shit hook line and sinker everytime.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Despite the 6 hour televised circus Obamacare was passed without gop ideas. It was rammed down the throat of the American public through misuse of the Senate rules and without the support of a single member of the gop.

And that's not "weasely"? GTFO

So when the gop someday hold all the majorities and overturn abortion or welfare or WHATEVER strictly along party lines while bending the rules of congress it won't be considered "weasely"?

Without gop ideas?

Insurance exchanges - gop idea
Tax cuts - gop idea
insurance mandate - newt gingrich / heritage foundation co sponsored idea


Dems idea was a clean single payer, but instead, they included gop ideas. How come? They just felt like it?

Because they didn't have support for sucha bill and they knew it. So they had to change it up to bring moderate dems and some repubs into the fold to get it passed. This was also taken up by the senate through another bill where they completely re-wrote the language for the ACA. Since the bill was budgetary appropriations they couldn't write it. You could call that rather weazely. No republican voted for it. None. They have spent years trying to undo it in so.

If the president and dems had a lick of integrity, they wouldn't be asking for a debb ceiling increase in the first place. They would have reduced deficits to where such negotiations weren't warranted. And again, they would have come out looking like the adults. But they need another debt ceiling increase, even though Obama was against it before he was for it, because they overspend and can not pass a budget.

The deficit and the debt ceiling are not the same thing, you ignoramus.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Let's see. Democrats refuse to negotiate one inch on Obuma Care except to provide exemptions for democrat voters. Democrats provided exemptions to get some people to vote for it but refuse to let everyone take an exemption. IOW democrats want to pick and choose who gets screwed by it.

In response the public says throw it out.

The House, which is the people's house, owns the power of the purse, to decide which government programs it wants to fund. The senate, which is supposed to be the state legislature's house but has become a majority tyranny house, refuses to allow the House the power of the purse. The senate, run by Reid who boldly proclaims he will not negotiate with republicans, says it is time to punch the bully (republicans evidently) in the nose.

The democrats are saying, if you don't hand over your money I'm gonna punch you in the nose.

And if the republicans refuse to hand over their money that makes the republicans the "bully." ROFL You just can't make this shit up.

There was an election last year. The voters did not say throw the law out.

Ahh this stupidity again.

I guess the American public(including you) also support:

Secret overseas prisons
Gitmo
NSA spying
Patriot Act
War in Arab nations
Bombing civilians


Now shut up with this stupid failed logic

They did support those things when they voted for leaders who made those choices.

It's not failed logic.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Let's see. Democrats refuse to negotiate one inch on Obuma Care except to provide exemptions for democrat voters. Democrats provided exemptions to get some people to vote for it but refuse to let everyone take an exemption. IOW democrats want to pick and choose who gets screwed by it.

In response the public says throw it out.

The House, which is the people's house, owns the power of the purse, to decide which government programs it wants to fund. The senate, which is supposed to be the state legislature's house but has become a majority tyranny house, refuses to allow the House the power of the purse. The senate, run by Reid who boldly proclaims he will not negotiate with republicans, says it is time to punch the bully (republicans evidently) in the nose.

The democrats are saying, if you don't hand over your money I'm gonna punch you in the nose.

And if the republicans refuse to hand over their money that makes the republicans the "bully." ROFL You just can't make this shit up.

There was an election last year. The voters did not say throw the law out.

Wrong. There were many issues. Obama care was not the only issue. Unfortunate for conservatives the republicans did not run a conservative candidate, he was a known liberal so what's the point of voting at all. Additionally, the guy was a hundred years old, a homophobic jerk, a guy from an odd religion, a guy with a history in corporate take overs and splitting companies up for cash, really just a bad candidate all around.

He was not a liberal

He was a "severe conservative." And he specifically ran on a platform to get rid of Obamacare on day 1.

He lost handily.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

There was an election last year. The voters did not say throw the law out.

Ahh this stupidity again.

I guess the American public(including you) also support:

Secret overseas prisons
Gitmo
NSA spying
Patriot Act
War in Arab nations
Bombing civilians


Now shut up with this stupid failed logic

They did support those things when they voted for leaders who made those choices.

It's not failed logic.

Like I said YOU support all that by default then...

 

[RKMBrown]

So why won't Boehner allow a House vote on the clean bill, and thus demonstrate what the people's will actually is?

Oh, that's right, because the clean bill would pass, with all the Democrats and a few Republicans voting for it.

So, there's a house minority openly blocking the people's will now. And you support it.

Why won't Reid allow the senate a vote for the version that defunds Obama Care?

They did vote on it....

Really? What was the vote. Do you have a link? What I saw was a vote to debate the bill, a vote for cloture, a vote to amend the bill to put obama care funding back in, and a vote for the bill that funds obama care. But never a vote in the senate for a bill that defunds obama care. But I'm willing to suspend disbelief. Please link.

 

[jasendorf]

Evil Democrats have made the GOP vote 42 times to try and defund Obamacare... how could the GOP have known that this time would fail too??? lol

 

[Trajan]

They are forcing it in the hopes that the gop gets the blame and they cake walk back into control of the house. Party over country.....

they will get the blame, its just the way it is. The gov. was shut down between 1976 and 1980- 6 times.....yup, once for 18 days, go look at who ran the congress then and who was president, it knows no friends

Carter ( one becasue he would not sign a bill funding abortion, can you imagine if the gop did that today?) a record 23 days for Reagan, nor Carter escaped hell, barely a year minus a budget crunch............ have a look-


1995-1996 (President Bill Clinton): December 5, 1995, to January 6, 1996, - 21 days
1995 (President Bill Clinton): Nov. 13 to 19 - 5 days
1990 (President George H.W. Bush): October 5 to 9 - 3 days
1987 (President Ronald Reagan): December 18 to December 20 - 1 day
1986 (President Ronald Reagan): October 16 to October 18 - 1 day
1984 (President Ronald Reagan): October 3 to October 5 - 1 day
1984 (President Ronald Reagan): September 30 to October 3 - 2 days
1983 (President Ronald Reagan): November 10 to November 14 - 3 days
1982 (President Ronald Reagan): December 17 to December 21 - 3 days
1982 (President Ronald Reagan): September 30 to October 2 - 1 day
1981 (President Ronald Reagan): November 20 to November 23 - 2 days
1979 (President Jimmy Carter): September 30 to October 12 - 11 days
1978 (President Jimmy Carter): September 30 to October 18 18 days
1977 (President Jimmy Carter): November 30 to December 9 - 8 days
1977 (President Jimmy Carter): October 31 to November 9 - 8 days
1977 (President Jimmy Carter): September 30 to October 13 - 12 days
1976 (President Gerald Ford): September 30 to October 11 - 10 days



Things have certainly changed....the media has out done itself, not one site I have seen is framing this issue even remotely impartially in any context.

Their stake is to huge, in obama and in their own beliefs, and this completely submerges any sense, even casually of objectivity.

 

[jasendorf]

Why won't Reid allow the senate a vote for the version that defunds Obama Care?

They did vote on it....

Really? What was the vote. Do you have a link? What I saw was a vote to debate the bill, a vote for cloture, a vote to amend the bill to put obama care funding back in, and a vote for the bill that funds obama care. But never a vote in the senate for a bill that defunds obama care. But I'm willing to suspend disbelief. Please link.

We all voted on it. November 6, 2012. The Republicans lost. They've lost 42 times trying to defund Obamacare.

Know why the Republicans will be blamed for a government shutdown? Because the American people recognize a poor loser when they see one... whether it's the guy who doesn't shake hands after a softball game or the Tea Party.

 

[RKMBrown]

They did vote on it....

Really? What was the vote. Do you have a link? What I saw was a vote to debate the bill, a vote for cloture, a vote to amend the bill to put obama care funding back in, and a vote for the bill that funds obama care. But never a vote in the senate for a bill that defunds obama care. But I'm willing to suspend disbelief. Please link.

We all voted on it. November 6, 2012. The Republicans lost. They've lost 42 times trying to defund Obamacare.

Know why the Republicans will be blamed for a government shutdown? Because the American people recognize a poor loser when they see one... whether it's the guy who doesn't shake hands after a softball game or the Tea Party.

Why should anyone shake the hand of a traitor to our country? Sore looser? You have no idea what is in store for you. We are gonna rock your world. You are gonna have to work for a living for a change. Enjoy your freebies now cause this shit's coming due.