Democrats want families earning $500,000 to keep getting Obamacare subsidies!

[Lisa558]

Do any of you Democrat Socialists crying about “people’s premiums will double!!!” realize just how extensive the temporary expansion of Ocare subsidies have been?!

A wealthy family of five earning $500,000 get $8,000 in subsidies a year. And a very affluent family of five earning $350,000 year get $21,000 a year. Did you all know that?

And why? Because Obamacare drove costs up so much that health insurance costs a family of five $50,000 a year!
This shows what an abject failure Obamacare is. Obama created a system so unaffordable that everyone needs government welfare to afford it. And that was by intent.

With a debt of $37 trillion, it is past time to stop the trillion dollars it costs to prop up this new welfare program. The subsidies should revert to pre-COVID levels.

(page 6 shows how families earning $500,000 get subsidies.)

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Ways-and-Means-testimony-3.21-FINAL-Blase.pdf

 

[1srelluc]

What got me was the ability to keep adult children on their policy till age 26.

I had my own insurance when I was 19.

 

[Lisa558]

What got me was the ability to keep adult children on their policy till age 26.

I had my own insurance when I was 19.

True. I was in college at that age, so covered under Dad’s plan, but upon graduation I got a job and bought my own insurance.

We should go back to “children” getting their own insurance once they are out of school.

 

[wamose]

Democrats want government to control everything because they're totalitarians. There's nothing Democrats want more than to be able to run everyone's life. Democrats = Kings. **** that

 

[JoeB131]

Do any of you Democrat Socialists crying about “people’s premiums will double!!!” realize just how extensive the temporary expansion of Ocare subsidies have been?!

A wealthy family of five earning $500,000 get $8,000 in subsidies a year. And a very affluent family of five earning $350,000 year get $21,000 a year. Did you all know that?

And why? Because Obamacare drove costs up so much that health insurance costs a family of five $50,000 a year!
This shows what an abject failure Obamacare is. Obama created a system so unaffordable that everyone needs government welfare to afford it. And that was by intent.

With a debt of $37 trillion, it is past time to stop the trillion dollars it costs to prop up this new welfare program. The subsidies should revert to pre-COVID levels.

(page 6 shows how families earning $500,000 get subsidies.)

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Ways-and-Means-testimony-3.21-FINAL-Blase.pdf

You really think there's someone out there making 500K a year and applying for an ACA Plan?

You know, instead of using their employer's insurance.

Here's something I have a little firsthand knowledge of. Mrs. B131, before I married her, was getting an ACA plan, which required her to pay very little. However, when we got married, her income was added to my income. Even though she ended her program the minute we got married, and joined my work insurance, they decided to recalculate her eligibility at our combined income (Which was just a little over six figures, but not much.) and claw back all the subsidy money they had given her.

So this whole claim sounds like Republican Bullshit(TM).

 

[JoeB131]

Democrats want government to control everything because they're totalitarians. There's nothing Democrats want more than to be able to run everyone's life. Democrats = Kings. **** that

I would rather have my health care come from a government I can vote out if they don't deliver than an insurance company I have no say in.

So let's be clear on this. Obama WANTED a public option and a Medicare Buy-in for people over 55. That was shot down by the Republicans and Joe Lieberman (who only thought that Israelis deserve socialized medicine on the US taxpayers' dime, not Americans!)

Insurance subsidies were a Republican idea, which Obama went along with. And now you are complaining because poor people are getting stuff you think they shouldn't have.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Democrats want government to control everything because they're totalitarians. There's nothing Democrats want more than to be able to run everyone's life. Democrats = Kings. **** that

Ironically, the demented LEFT will be yelping about NO KINGS this weekend.

 

[1srelluc]

Ironically, the demented LEFT will be yelping about NO KINGS this weekend.

That's still on, I thought it was cancelled.

 

[Mac1958]

Of course, this didn't sound right, so I just checked it out:

Health Insurance Marketplace Calculator

=====

The response:

Results​

You are not likely eligible for financial help​

Based on the information you provided, your income is equal to 1367% of the poverty level.

=====

But let's say it IS true. Change the rules and maximums, so that this can't happen but low income people (including Trumpsters) are still covered.

Adjust. Fix. Evolve. Don't just destroy.

Next.

 

[j-mac]

You really think there's someone out there making 500K a year and applying for an ACA Plan?

You know, instead of using their employer's insurance.

Here's something I have a little firsthand knowledge of. Mrs. B131, before I married her, was getting an ACA plan, which required her to pay very little. However, when we got married, her income was added to my income. Even though she ended her program the minute we got married, and joined my work insurance, they decided to recalculate her eligibility at our combined income (Which was just a little over six figures, but not much.) and claw back all the subsidy money they had given her.

So this whole claim sounds like Republican Bullshit(TM).

So, nothing is real unless you experience it personally?

 

[j-mac]

Of course, this didn't sound right, so I just checked it out:

Health Insurance Marketplace Calculator

=====

The response:

Results​

You are not likely eligible for financial help​

Based on the information you provided, your income is equal to 1367% of the poverty level. An estimate of your cost for coverage in 2025 is provided below.

=====

But let's say it IS true. Change the rules and maximums, so that this can't happen but low income people are still covered.

Next.

Trying to get universal healthcare through the back door isn’t going to work.

 

[SeaMajor7]

That's still on, I thought it was cancelled.

I haven't heard that, but the whole Democratic Party should be CANCELED.

 

[candycorn]

Do any of you Democrat Socialists crying about “people’s premiums will double!!!” realize just how extensive the temporary expansion of Ocare subsidies have been?!

A wealthy family of five earning $500,000 get $8,000 in subsidies a year. And a very affluent family of five earning $350,000 year get $21,000 a year. Did you all know that?

And why? Because Obamacare drove costs up so much that health insurance costs a family of five $50,000 a year!
This shows what an abject failure Obamacare is. Obama created a system so unaffordable that everyone needs government welfare to afford it. And that was by intent.

With a debt of $37 trillion, it is past time to stop the trillion dollars it costs to prop up this new welfare program. The subsidies should revert to pre-COVID levels.

(page 6 shows how families earning $500,000 get subsidies.)

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Ways-and-Means-testimony-3.21-FINAL-Blase.pdf

Nope; you're lying.

 

[SweetTea]

You really think there's someone out there making 500K a year and applying for an ACA Plan?

You know, instead of using their employer's insurance.

Here's something I have a little firsthand knowledge of. Mrs. B131, before I married her, was getting an ACA plan, which required her to pay very little. However, when we got married, her income was added to my income. Even though she ended her program the minute we got married, and joined my work insurance, they decided to recalculate her eligibility at our combined income (Which was just a little over six figures, but not much.) and claw back all the subsidy money they had given her.

So this whole claim sounds like Republican Bullshit(TM).

Biden’s ARP allows for subsidies for anyone if the ACA premium exceeds 8.5% of their income. It also extends the subsidy threshold to 400% above the poverty level, so a family of 4 making 125k would get a subsidy. This was an expansion of the ACA that was sold as a temporary measure.

 

[1srelluc]

I haven't heard that, but the whole Democratic Party should be CANCELED.

LOL.....Currently the vile dem party is like what they claim Antifa to be....Leaderless.

 

[JoeB131]

So, nothing is real unless you experience it personally?

Well, no, what is real is how the system actually works. My wife lost a subsidy by getting married to a guy who made more money than she did, and they did it retroactively. (Ironically, if we had married on New Year's Day, we wouldn't have had a problem. Not that we are going to do a do-over).

So you have this bullshit claim about rich families getting subsidies, which turns out to be the bullshit it sounded like.

Trying to get universal healthcare through the back door isn’t going to work.

I would rather bring it in through the front door, but here's a better question - why are you so horrified at the thought of poor people getting health care?

 

[wamose]

Ironically, the demented LEFT will be yelping about NO KINGS this weekend.

Yeah. It's funny how the first thing totalitarians do is to accuse their adversaries of being totalitarians.

 

[Lisa558]

Of course, this didn't sound right, so I just checked it out:

Health Insurance Marketplace Calculator

=====

The response:

Results​

You are not likely eligible for financial help​

Based on the information you provided, your income is equal to 1367% of the poverty level.

=====

But let's say it IS true. Change the rules and maximums, so that this can't happen but low income people (including Trumpsters) are still covered.

Adjust. Fix. Evolve. Don't just destroy.

Next.

So you’re saying the expert who testified before Congress made it all up?

And if we go back to pre-COVID maximums, as the GOP wants and was SUPPOSED to happen, the low-income are still covered. Any individual earning less than $60,000 qualifies.

So you are saying you agree with the Republicans? Go back to covering the low-income only?

 

[JoeB131]

Biden’s ARP allows for subsidies for anyone if the ACA premium exceeds 8.5% of their income. It also extends the subsidy threshold to 400% above the poverty level, so a family of 4 making 125k would get a subsidy. This was an expansion of the ACA that was sold as a temporary measure.

As much as I hate praising him, Mac1958 already proved that was bullshit.

 

[Mac1958]

And by the way, you may want to look into the background of the "Paragon Health Institute", who wrote this "report".

They're funded by...

... well, look it up. Or don't.