Democrats try to stack town hall, prevent dissenters from attending

[Nik]

And?

Thats because taxes are too low. Not because the programs have anything wrong with them.

great, raise those taxes on the working people
they will be sure to vote for your guys again

How about on the rich?

Top marginal tax rate is incredibly low.

 

[DiveCon]

great, raise those taxes on the working people
they will be sure to vote for your guys again

How about on the rich?

Top marginal tax rate is incredibly low.

and who are these "rich" you want to tax?

 

[Nik]

great, raise those taxes on the working people
they will be sure to vote for your guys again

How about on the rich?

Top marginal tax rate is incredibly low.

and who are these "rich" you want to tax?

Well, for starters, people making over 5 mil.

Or do you not consider that rich?

 

[DiveCon]

How about on the rich?

Top marginal tax rate is incredibly low.

and who are these "rich" you want to tax?

Well, for starters, people making over 5 mil.

Or do you not consider that rich?

are any of them eligible to receive a single thing from SSI, Medicare, Medicaid?
NOPE
so, you want to tax them for something you will deny them coverage under

now, don't most people making over $5 mil a year run businesses?
if you raise taxes on them, what are they likely to do to make up for it?

RAISE PRICES of the goods they sell
CUT COSTS of doing business(AKA cut labor costs)
or, a combination of the two
so, who would end up PAYING those increases?

 

[Nik]

and who are these "rich" you want to tax?

Well, for starters, people making over 5 mil.

Or do you not consider that rich?

are any of them eligible to receive a single thing from SSI, Medicare, Medicaid?
NOPE
so, you want to tax them for something you will deny them coverage under

now, don't most people making over $5 mil a year run businesses?
if you raise taxes on them, what are they likely to do to make up for it?

RAISE PRICES of the goods they sell
CUT COSTS of doing business(AKA cut labor costs)
or, a combination of the two
so, who would end up PAYING those increases?

They would. If their businesses could get away with raising prices, or cutting costs they would be doing so already. Or do you think that they could be making more money, but aren't out of the goodness of their hearts?

Yes. I will tax them for things they don't receive. Just as we are all taxed for things that we don't receive.

Or maybe we should only tax medicare recipients to get income for medicare, eh? Thats a really wonderful idea there.

 

[OneWorld]

Getting worse for Democrats, they are trying to bully protests, not good, and stack townhalls with 'supporters.'



The tighter the dems hold on, the more their grip will slip, protests are the purest form of America, stop trying to shut them down.

Are you for real? They are showing up at town halls to match the bullying that the right has been doing this past month. They've been sending people to disrupt them for quite some time now, this is called a reasoned RESPONSE.

Do you accept that Republicans have been lying to you about the health care bill? Why are they doing this? Who's interest are they serving? Do you believe the party of big business is "looking out for your best interest" in this case?

If they told you to cut off your head, would you do it too?

 

[Skull Pilot]

after 8 years of Bush and the GOP ignoring that problem wouldn't have anything to do with it ?

just shows why a Canadian shouldn't bother arguing American politics.

FYI SS has been in trouble for a lot longer than 8 years.

go read a book or two

When are you going to read one?

I suggest you start with House of Bush, House of Saud.

What does Bush have to do with the fact that SS has been circling the drain for a lot longer than 8 years?

And BTW I am not, nor was i ever a supporter of GW.

 

[Skull Pilot]

and both medicare and social security are going broke

And?

Thats because taxes are too low. Not because the programs have anything wrong with them.

Taxes are too low.

OK so how much more do you want to pay?

Oh and btw those entitlement s are broke because the government can't manage them.

Ss in particular is broke because it is a Ponzi scheme

 

[Skull Pilot]

here's a timely article on Social Security

The next great bailout: Fixing social security - Jul. 30, 2009


i know it's a little long but don't despair.

take your time it's OK if your lips move as you read.

 

[Xenophon]

Getting worse for Democrats, they are trying to bully protests, not good, and stack townhalls with 'supporters.'



The tighter the dems hold on, the more their grip will slip, protests are the purest form of America, stop trying to shut them down.

Are you for real? They are showing up at town halls to match the bullying that the right has been doing this past month. They've been sending people to disrupt them for quite some time now, this is called a reasoned RESPONSE.

Do you accept that Republicans have been lying to you about the health care bill? Why are they doing this? Who's interest are they serving? Do you believe the party of big business is "looking out for your best interest" in this case?

If they told you to cut off your head, would you do it too?

A perfect example of an Obamatron, wants to know if 'I'm for real' being agast at the tactics currently being used by Democrats against protestors.

Then goes on to give me a postion and chastises me for it, like all good little party hacks.

Learn your way around here noob before asking such a stupid question, or at least read the damn thread first, I've little symapthey for stupid people who lead with their chin.

The real question is, are you for real, and you've already answered, and its 'no.'

 

[editec]

Let the current HC system bleed out, say I.

Implementing a new system of of government payment won't solve the problem because the real problems facing HC have nothing to do with how it is funded.

 

[Maple]

hasn't the congressmen and senators and the President who support it signed up for it. So far NO takers.

go to:

Fleming.house.gov


This is a petition to send to your representatives asking that they sign on to the same plan you are going to be forced to be on. Fleming is a physician and also a representative, he has had NO takers. I tried to get on this morning, they are overwhelmed and I think it crashed their server.

 

[Old Rocks]

Health Care Forum

Getting worse for Democrats, they are trying to bully protests, not good, and stack townhalls with 'supporters.'

Protests, passions roiling town hall meeting on health care

The tighter the dems hold on, the more their grip will slip, protests are the purest form of America, stop trying to shut them down.

Potesting, asking tough questions in a town hall meeting, are what town hall meetings are for. Disrupting the meeting, preventing the Representative from talking to his constituents, is Brownshirt tactics. And that is what you people are doing.

So the people that support having a real Health Care System also show up and prevent the disruptions. That is a good thing. And you poor babies are crying your heads off because you are prevented from acting like a bunch of brownshirts, and are shown to be in a very vocal, but very small and ignorant minority.

 

[Old Rocks]

Fellows, you prevent any kind of Health Care Reform, and the cost of health care in this nation keeps rising at the present rate, the next time Reform comes up, it will be the implementation of Universal Health Care, and the present for profit insurers will simply be abolished. That would be my preferance right now.

 

[Xenophon]

Potesting, asking tough questions in a town hall meeting, are what town hall meetings are for. Disrupting the meeting, preventing the Representative from talking to his constituents, is Brownshirt tactics. And that is what you people are doing.

Save the party spin for your next meeting with Nancy.

The people are against this abomination of a bill, and with good reason.

So the people that support having a real Health Care System also show up and prevent the disruptions. That is a good thing. And you poor babies are crying your heads off because you are prevented from acting like a bunch of brownshirts, and are shown to be in a very vocal, but very small and ignorant minority.

Its amusing how Nazis always call their victims Nazis.

 

[editec]

Fellows, you prevent any kind of Health Care Reform, and the cost of health care in this nation keeps rising at the present rate, the next time Reform comes up, it will be the implementation of Universal Health Care, and the present for profit insurers will simply be abolished. That would be my preferance right now.

Basically that's about where I'm at, too.

The worse it gets the sooner the revolution.

 

[Xenophon]

Fellows, you prevent any kind of Health Care Reform, and the cost of health care in this nation keeps rising at the present rate, the next time Reform comes up, it will be the implementation of Universal Health Care, and the present for profit insurers will simply be abolished. That would be my preferance right now.

Like all political ideologues, you miss the point.

WHY are the costs so high.

Instead of addressing that, you talk about spending money we don't have and putting people who fail at everything they try to run, in charge of the problem.

The reason health care went crazy is lawyers kept sueing doctors for malpractice, it didn't matter to them , the insurance always paid off.

Insurance companies siomply raised their rates to cover the pay outs, forcing Doctors and medical professionals to pay even more, thus they had to raise their rates and this cycle goes on and on...

And you want the gov to step in and play insurance company as some kind of cure.

Are you insane?

 

[Nik]

and both medicare and social security are going broke

And?

Thats because taxes are too low. Not because the programs have anything wrong with them.

Taxes are too low.

OK so how much more do you want to pay?

Oh and btw those entitlement s are broke because the government can't manage them.

Ss in particular is broke because it is a Ponzi scheme

Only a bit more. But the real taxes should be, surprise surprise, on those who actually have lots of money.

Ah, yes, do tell how the government has failed to manage them.

 

[Nik]

Fellows, you prevent any kind of Health Care Reform, and the cost of health care in this nation keeps rising at the present rate, the next time Reform comes up, it will be the implementation of Universal Health Care, and the present for profit insurers will simply be abolished. That would be my preferance right now.

Like all political ideologues, you miss the point.

WHY are the costs so high.

Instead of addressing that, you talk about spending money we don't have and putting people who fail at everything they try to run, in charge of the problem.

The reason health care went crazy is lawyers kept sueing doctors for malpractice, it didn't matter to them , the insurance always paid off.

Insurance companies siomply raised their rates to cover the pay outs, forcing Doctors and medical professionals to pay even more, thus they had to raise their rates and this cycle goes on and on...

And you want the gov to step in and play insurance company as some kind of cure.

Are you insane?

Except that the county with the highest health insurance rates in the US has capped medical malpractice suits.

So. Care to try again at the cause of health costs? Cause its been essentially proven to anyone with half a brain that its not medical malpractice suits.

 

[Nik]

Potesting, asking tough questions in a town hall meeting, are what town hall meetings are for. Disrupting the meeting, preventing the Representative from talking to his constituents, is Brownshirt tactics. And that is what you people are doing.

Save the party spin for your next meeting with Nancy.

The people are against this abomination of a bill, and with good reason.

So the people that support having a real Health Care System also show up and prevent the disruptions. That is a good thing. And you poor babies are crying your heads off because you are prevented from acting like a bunch of brownshirts, and are shown to be in a very vocal, but very small and ignorant minority.

Its amusing how Nazis always call their victims Nazis.

Are you calling yourself a nazi? Now, I know you are a complete fucktard, but a nazi? Aren't you being a bit harsh on yourself?