democrats dont want gang members included in red flag gun legislation !!

[BasicHumanUnit]

]Nope! I'm just fascinated by where Trumpsters get their "news".
I've certainly noticed that Breitbart and Alex Jones are primary "news" sources, but the proliferation of these, um, white sites is something to behold.
Free country, enjoy.
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You think it's just sites like that? lol. Surprise.
The talk is everywhere.....in shops, homes, businesses and even in the streets. People are growing tired of the abuse from the Left.

Thank the rabid Left.
Did morons really think they could keep pushing and pushing Rightwing/conservative people into a corner with no pushback?
Sure, that may be a Socialists dream, but the Left may have opened Pandoras box.

If and when the Right has had enough .......well,....let's see
Oh...and here's shocking news....a LOT of blacks will be right there with them.....tired of the left

 

[Picaro]

What is the problem with the gang databases? They aren't really that reliable as they have erroneous information on them. If you support using gang databases for the red flag laws, then you should also support using the no fly list for the red flag laws as well.

From the OP's link................................

Like the no-fly lists, which have erroneously flagged many innocent individuals as terrorists (including the late Sen. Ted Kennedy), the gang databases are often inaccurate, Democrats said.

“You know, California had these databases, and they finally stopped when they discovered that they had 3-year-olds on the databases as gang members,” Rep. Zoe Lofgren of California said. “I mean, so some of these are reliable, a lot of them are not.”

Buck pointed out his amendment requires law enforcement to limit red-flagging to only those with probable cause to be included on the list, which is a stricter criteria.

So what? Crappy lists were okay with Obama, so why the problems now? You think everyone on the list is a 3 year old? Let them sue California if their lists are wrong. Gang members definitely should be red flagged, whether convicted of anything or not.

What is the problem with the gang databases? They aren't really that reliable as they have erroneous information on them. If you support using gang databases for the red flag laws, then you should also support using the no fly list for the red flag laws as well.

From the OP's link................................

Like the no-fly lists, which have erroneously flagged many innocent individuals as terrorists (including the late Sen. Ted Kennedy), the gang databases are often inaccurate, Democrats said.

“You know, California had these databases, and they finally stopped when they discovered that they had 3-year-olds on the databases as gang members,” Rep. Zoe Lofgren of California said. “I mean, so some of these are reliable, a lot of them are not.”

Buck pointed out his amendment requires law enforcement to limit red-flagging to only those with probable cause to be included on the list, which is a stricter criteria.

Would a gang member convicted of a violent crime be enough to put him on the list?

If you are going to use the gang lists to stop people from having guns, then you also need to include those on the no fly list.

As long as those on that list are convicted criminals.

As long as those that are on the list are convicted criminals? Okay, but there are people on the no fly list who don't belong there, just like there are people on the gang list that don't belong there. Both lists are inaccurate, which is why some people don't want them used.

I dont care.
If you're on the list let em call you on it.

Well, so far no 3 year olds have complained about not being able to buy a firearm because they're on a list, or complained about not being able to buy a plane ticket, but in any case i't up to the states who maintain such lists to worry about correcting them or face lawsuits, and it's up to common sense to remove gangsters from the streets, especially those from known violent criminal syndicates.

 

[Picaro]

The "White Information Network" reporting.
Wow, the walls of the alternate universe keep getting thicker, don't they?

So you are saying it didn’t happen because you don’t like who reported it?

Nope! I'm just fascinated by where Trumpsters get their "news".

I've certainly noticed that Breitbart and Alex Jones are primary "news" sources, but the proliferation of these, um, white sites is something to behold.

Free country, enjoy.
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Yes, we've noted you can never refute the reports, just snivel about the sources. Want to list the last 10 sources you've cited on this board? Or are you afraid of the laughter that would generate?

 

[Picaro]

The "White Information Network" reporting.
Wow, the walls of the alternate universe keep getting thicker, don't they?

Tell us what's wrong with that loser?

Hey, nothing, white power 'n stuff man, cool, MAGA, red hat, you bet.
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Like I thought, you're just another lying progress turd.

They're still frothing over Zimmerman's acquittal, after all, and Officer Wilson getting off for killing that fat thug in self-defense. They need this sort of dishonest lie, it's their only unifying platform, fomenting violent racism against whites and promoting the assassination of white cops.

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[LeftofLeft]

Democrats frown on targeting gang databases with 'red flag' laws

All the more reason to support The 2nd Amendment. Democrats are only interested in taking guns away from law-abiding white people. Blatantly protecting gang members. UnFucking Believable.

 

[Oddball]

Totally-fucking-believable.

 

[miketx]

You guy better wise up. It's totally believable. They are traitor scum.

 

[LeftofLeft]

I’ve seen similar proposed legislation where if you were caught with a gun illegally committing any crime the penalty would be worse whether you used the gun or not. This too was rejected by Democrats. Maybe every law-abiding Citizen should turn their guns into Beto and Company and turn around immediately and get your gun illegally. Then everyone will have guns illegally and Democrats will leave the issue alone.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Every law-abiding gun owner should turn their guns in and turn around and get their guns illegally. Here was an attempt to get guns out of the wrong hands and Democrats immediately protected them. If you have your gun illegally, Democrats will leave you alone.

 

[Mac1958]

The "White Information Network" reporting.
Wow, the walls of the alternate universe keep getting thicker, don't they?

So you are saying it didn’t happen because you don’t like who reported it?

Nope! I'm just fascinated by where Trumpsters get their "news".

I've certainly noticed that Breitbart and Alex Jones are primary "news" sources, but the proliferation of these, um, white sites is something to behold.

Free country, enjoy.
.

Yes, we've noted you can never refute the reports, just snivel about the sources. Want to list the last 10 sources you've cited on this board? Or are you afraid of the laughter that would generate?

I'm actually amused not by the sources themselves, but by those who swallow what those sources are saying.

The sources are merely a symptom.

As I've said, it's a free country. You now have your own little closed circuit universe within you can exist 24/7/365. Enjoy!
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[Picaro]

The "White Information Network" reporting.
Wow, the walls of the alternate universe keep getting thicker, don't they?

So you are saying it didn’t happen because you don’t like who reported it?

Nope! I'm just fascinated by where Trumpsters get their "news".

I've certainly noticed that Breitbart and Alex Jones are primary "news" sources, but the proliferation of these, um, white sites is something to behold.

Free country, enjoy.
.

Yes, we've noted you can never refute the reports, just snivel about the sources. Want to list the last 10 sources you've cited on this board? Or are you afraid of the laughter that would generate?

I'm actually amused not by the sources themselves, but by those who swallow what those sources are saying.

The sources are merely a symptom.

As I've said, it's a free country. You now have your own little closed circuit universe within you can exist 24/7/365. Enjoy!
.

Yes, you're embarrassed to list who you use for sources. We get It.

 

[Mac1958]

The "White Information Network" reporting.
Wow, the walls of the alternate universe keep getting thicker, don't they?

So you are saying it didn’t happen because you don’t like who reported it?

Nope! I'm just fascinated by where Trumpsters get their "news".

I've certainly noticed that Breitbart and Alex Jones are primary "news" sources, but the proliferation of these, um, white sites is something to behold.

Free country, enjoy.
.

Yes, we've noted you can never refute the reports, just snivel about the sources. Want to list the last 10 sources you've cited on this board? Or are you afraid of the laughter that would generate?

I'm actually amused not by the sources themselves, but by those who swallow what those sources are saying.

The sources are merely a symptom.

As I've said, it's a free country. You now have your own little closed circuit universe within you can exist 24/7/365. Enjoy!
.

Yes, you're embarrassed to list who you use for sources. We get It.

You're still going on this.

Since this is so important to you, you're free to point out flaws in any statement or sourcing that I do. Any time.

So. Enjoy the world that has been created for you.
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[kyzr]

What's the harm in red-flagging suspected gang members?
When law enforcement goes to get their guns they will either find them or not, then correct the list.
The dems object because some on the list might not be real gang members, so what?
They will not be arrested, just have their guns removed, so whats the harm?
Same with the "no-fly" list. If its incorrect it can be corrected.
The dems are showing their colors, they want to collect guns from Republicans.

 

[yidnar]

Wow.........................your link is to a white supremacist site. No wonder you think that there is some kind of conspiracy against white people.

Hate to tell you, but I'm white, and I have yet to see any kind of white persecution.

to Nazi a socialists [ Demonazi] like you every thing that is truthful that does not line up with your beliefs like law and order,capitalism ,the constitution ect are examples of white supremacy ! the truth is the greatest enemy of people like you !

 

[DOTR]

Either way, this is all quite a show. The nihilist in me is enjoying it.

Yuk it up. Nihilism is so cool and trendy.

 

[kyzr]

Gangs are the most vicious killers in the US.
Gangs commit most of the murders in the US.
Why shouldn't gang members be listed on red flag lists, and have their guns confiscated?
Why don't democrats support disarming gang members?

That is a major problem for democrats when Trump beats them like baby seals with that factoid.

 

[Picaro]

So you are saying it didn’t happen because you don’t like who reported it?

Nope! I'm just fascinated by where Trumpsters get their "news".

I've certainly noticed that Breitbart and Alex Jones are primary "news" sources, but the proliferation of these, um, white sites is something to behold.

Free country, enjoy.
.

Yes, we've noted you can never refute the reports, just snivel about the sources. Want to list the last 10 sources you've cited on this board? Or are you afraid of the laughter that would generate?

I'm actually amused not by the sources themselves, but by those who swallow what those sources are saying.

The sources are merely a symptom.

As I've said, it's a free country. You now have your own little closed circuit universe within you can exist 24/7/365. Enjoy!
.

Yes, you're embarrassed to list who you use for sources. We get It.

You're still going on this.

Since this is so important to you, you're free to point out flaws in any statement or sourcing that I do. Any time.

So. Enjoy the world that has been created for you.
.

So you're whining about being made to look like a tard. Okay. We got it several posts ago already.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Gangs are the most vicious killers in the US.
Gangs commit most of the murders in the US.
Why shouldn't gang members be listed on red flag lists, and have their guns confiscated?
Why don't democrats support disarming gang members?

That is a major problem for democrats when Trump beats them like baby seals with that factoid.

The answers to your questions are quite easy.

The reason Democrats want to disarm society if because they know the criminals will not give up their guns. So what we end up with is a country where only the criminals and police have the guns. As for the rest of us, we become more of a victim to crime which is what the Democrats want. Their two largest voting blocks in the Democrat party are victims and government dependents. More victims means more voters.

By targeting the criminals first, that throws a monkey wrench in their plans, because they want the criminals to keep their guns legally or not. While most gang members are probably felons already that can't legally own or be in possession of a firearm, a red tag law on them would make it illegal for the non-felons to own weapons as well.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So what? Crappy lists were okay with Obama, so why the problems now? You think everyone on the list is a 3 year old? Let them sue California if their lists are wrong. Gang members definitely should be red flagged, whether convicted of anything or not.

Would a gang member convicted of a violent crime be enough to put him on the list?

If you are going to use the gang lists to stop people from having guns, then you also need to include those on the no fly list.

As long as those on that list are convicted criminals.

As long as those that are on the list are convicted criminals? Okay, but there are people on the no fly list who don't belong there, just like there are people on the gang list that don't belong there. Both lists are inaccurate, which is why some people don't want them used.

I dont care.
If you're on the list let em call you on it.

Well, so far no 3 year olds have complained about not being able to buy a firearm because they're on a list, or complained about not being able to buy a plane ticket, but in any case i't up to the states who maintain such lists to worry about correcting them or face lawsuits, and it's up to common sense to remove gangsters from the streets, especially those from known violent criminal syndicates.

I'm against any red tag laws because then we've entered the realm of Thought Police; punishing people before they commit a crime.

It's really totally un-American, but if we are going to go that route, you are correct, go to the sources that have proven to be the biggest problem.

The Do Not Fly list was similar to DumBama's order that stopped senior citizens from owning a firearm if they were collecting Social Security and unable to make out their own bills. Like how many old people on SS were buying guns and killing people?

Same holds true for the Do Not Fly list. How many on that list ever bought a gun and used it in a murder?