Democrats Claims Ring Hollow Because They Refuse To Listen To Experts

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Democrats have refused to listen to experts on a variety of issues, including immigration officials that have been working on border enforcement for decades.

Democrats feel they can get away with lying about the border crisis by ignoring it. Not one of them has gone there to talk to the people that protect this nation from drug-traffickers and illegal immigration. They simply have chosen to ignore what's going on. So when you hear from the 18 or so Democrats currently running for president, not one of them can say what is actually going on. They refused to listen from day-one, and they've chosen to remain willfully-ignorant on the subject.

Why?

Because of several reasons......Democrats plan on raising our taxes. What better way to do it than flooding the country with people who have to be taken care of. Never mind the fact that they're allowing these non-citizens to vote in our elections.....they're using these non-citizens to decimate our social programs, trying to ruin them so they can declare a national emergency and raise our taxes. But not only that.....they want to take every cent we make and only allot to us what they think we need. This is Socialism. Socialism isn't free stuff for everyone. It's total governmental control of businesses and income. Trump is trying to prevent this from happening.

Socialism-from-libertycadre.com2Fsocialism-900x804.png


"The myth, which liberals like myself find tempting, is that only the right has changed. In June 2015, we tell ourselves, Donald Trump rode down his golden escalator and pretty soon nativism, long a feature of conservative politics, had engulfed it. But that’s not the full story. If the right has grown more nationalistic, the left has grown less so. A decade ago, liberals publicly questioned immigration in ways that would shock many progressives today.

Listen to the audio version of this article:Feature stories, read aloud: download the Audm app for your iPhone.

In 2005, a left-leaning blogger wrote, “Illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone.” In 2006, a liberal columnist wrote that “immigration reduces the wages of domestic workers who compete with immigrants” and that “the fiscal burden of low-wage immigrants is also pretty clear.” His conclusion: “We’ll need to reduce the inflow of low-skill immigrants.” That same year, a Democratic senator wrote, “When I see Mexican flags waved at proimmigration demonstrations, I sometimes feel a flush of patriotic resentment. When I’m forced to use a translator to communicate with the guy fixing my car, I feel a certain frustration.”

The blogger was Glenn Greenwald. The columnist was Paul Krugman. The senator was Barack Obama.

Prominent liberals didn’t oppose immigration a decade ago. Most acknowledged its benefits to America’s economy and culture. They supported a path to citizenship for the undocumented. Still, they routinely asserted that low-skilled immigrants depressed the wages of low-skilled American workers and strained America’s welfare state. And they were far more likely than liberals today are to acknowledge that, as Krugman put it, “immigration is an intensely painful topic … because it places basic principles in conflict.”

Today, little of that ambivalence remains. In 2008, the Democratic platform called undocumented immigrants “our neighbors.” But it also warned, “We cannot continue to allow people to enter the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked,” adding that “those who enter our country’s borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law.” By 2016, such language was gone. The party’s platform described America’s immigration system as a problem, but not illegal immigration itself. And it focused almost entirely on the forms of immigration enforcement that Democrats opposed. In its immigration section, the 2008 platform referred three times to people entering the country “illegally.” The immigration section of the 2016 platform didn’t use the word illegal, or any variation of it, at all.

“A decade or two ago,” says Jason Furman, a former chairman of President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers, “Democrats were divided on immigration. Now everyone agrees and is passionate and thinks very little about any potential downsides.” How did this come to be?

There are several explanations for liberals’ shift. The first is that they have changed because the reality on the ground has changed, particularly as regards illegal immigration. In the two decades preceding 2008, the United States experienced sharp growth in its undocumented population. Since then, the numbers have leveled off.

But this alone doesn’t explain the transformation. The number of undocumented people in the United States hasn’t gone down significantly, after all; it’s stayed roughly the same. So the economic concerns that Krugman raised a decade ago remain relevant today.

Related Story

What’s Wrong With the Democrats?


A larger explanation is political. Between 2008 and 2016, Democrats became more and more confident that the country’s growing Latino population gave the party an electoral edge. To win the presidency, Democrats convinced themselves, they didn’t need to reassure white people skeptical of immigration so long as they turned out their Latino base. “The fastest-growing sector of the American electorate stampeded toward the Democrats this November,” Salon declared after Obama’s 2008 win. “If that pattern continues, the GOP is doomed to 40 years of wandering in a desert.”



Former ICE Official: Democrats Don't Want to Talk About Border Invasion

Former ICE Official: Democrats Don't Want to Talk About Border Invasion
By Susan Jones | October 22, 2018 | 11:04 AM EDT



caravan2-getty.jpg

Honduras has some of the highest crime and poverty rates in Latin America. (Photo by John Moore/Getty Images)
(CNSNews.com) - Tom Homan, the former acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), said the thousands of Central Americans heading north to the U.S. border are taking advantage of this country's weak immigration laws, but Democrats don’t want to talk about that.

"A lot of this could have been prevented," Homan told Fox News Monday morning. "I've said for over a year that if we didn't fix these loopholes it would happen. And here it is."



Over the weekend, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the United States will not allow the migrants to enter the U.S. Pompeo said the Trump administration is “deeply concerned by the violence provoked by some members of the group, as well as the apparent political motivation of some organizers of the caravan."

"This is something nobody wants to talk about, especially Democrats, right?" Homan said. He noted that some Democrats want to establish more sanctuary cities and abolish ICE:

This entices more people to make this dangerous journey. And these people don't come by themselves. They hired criminal organizations to get to the country. And in my 34 years, I have seen numerous women raped. I've seen children die making that trip. You know, I was in Phoenix, Arizona when aliens were held hostage and their smuggling fees doubled and they were tortured and killed. I mean, I was in the back of a tractor trailer with 19 dead aliens, including a five year old little boy who suffocated to death.

When you entice people to come to this country, when have weak immigration laws, that's what happens. These people are at the mercy of criminal organizations who don't care about them at all. They're a commodity --- they're there to make money.

And this is the other side of the story. This is not just about law enforcement, it's about saving lives. And nobody wants to talk about this, especially Democrats. So when they throw out 'Abolish ICE' and throw out 'sanctuary cities' and 'Let's protect them keep them in the United States and protect them from ICE' -- they want to keep them in the United States illegally but they don't want to build a wall to keep them out. That sends a message to more people to make that journey, and more people will be victimized because of it.

Homan said Democrats refuse to strike an immigration deal because they don't want to give President Trump a "win" on immigration.

"This is all about putting their political hatred of this president ahead of national security and public safety. And ahead of the safety of these American patriots on the line that wear that uniform -- it's disgusting."



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It’s called opposite years. Anything Trump proposes as policy, propose the opposite.

They are like little children playing a game. Sadly, this is not time for games.
 
It’s called opposite years. Anything Trump proposes as policy, propose the opposite.

They are like little children playing a game. Sadly, this is not time for games.
So we can agree that Democrats are simply playing games......and in the process costing us trillions.
Imagine how much lower the cost of living would be without the Democrats playing their massively expensive games.
 
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Democrats have refused to listen to experts on a variety of issues, including immigration officials that have been working on border enforcement for decades.

Democrats feel they can get away with lying about the border crisis by ignoring it. Not one of them has gone there to talk to the people that protect this nation from drug-traffickers and illegal immigration. They simply have chosen to ignore what's going on. So when you hear from the 18 or so Democrats currently running for president, not one of them can say what is actually going on. They refused to listen from day-one, and they've chosen to remain willfully-ignorant on the subject.

Why?

Because of several reasons......Democrats plan on raising our taxes. What better way to do it than flooding the country with people who have to be taken care of. Never mind the fact that they're allowing these non-citizens to vote in our elections.....they're using these non-citizens to decimate our social programs, trying to ruin them so they can declare a national emergency and raise our taxes. But not only that.....they want to take every cent we make and only allot to us what they think we need. This is Socialism. Socialism isn't free stuff for everyone. It's total governmental control of businesses and income. Trump is trying to prevent this from happening.

Socialism-from-libertycadre.com2Fsocialism-900x804.png


"The myth, which liberals like myself find tempting, is that only the right has changed. In June 2015, we tell ourselves, Donald Trump rode down his golden escalator and pretty soon nativism, long a feature of conservative politics, had engulfed it. But that’s not the full story. If the right has grown more nationalistic, the left has grown less so. A decade ago, liberals publicly questioned immigration in ways that would shock many progressives today.

Listen to the audio version of this article:Feature stories, read aloud: download the Audm app for your iPhone.

In 2005, a left-leaning blogger wrote, “Illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone.” In 2006, a liberal columnist wrote that “immigration reduces the wages of domestic workers who compete with immigrants” and that “the fiscal burden of low-wage immigrants is also pretty clear.” His conclusion: “We’ll need to reduce the inflow of low-skill immigrants.” That same year, a Democratic senator wrote, “When I see Mexican flags waved at proimmigration demonstrations, I sometimes feel a flush of patriotic resentment. When I’m forced to use a translator to communicate with the guy fixing my car, I feel a certain frustration.”

The blogger was Glenn Greenwald. The columnist was Paul Krugman. The senator was Barack Obama.

Prominent liberals didn’t oppose immigration a decade ago. Most acknowledged its benefits to America’s economy and culture. They supported a path to citizenship for the undocumented. Still, they routinely asserted that low-skilled immigrants depressed the wages of low-skilled American workers and strained America’s welfare state. And they were far more likely than liberals today are to acknowledge that, as Krugman put it, “immigration is an intensely painful topic … because it places basic principles in conflict.”

Today, little of that ambivalence remains. In 2008, the Democratic platform called undocumented immigrants “our neighbors.” But it also warned, “We cannot continue to allow people to enter the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked,” adding that “those who enter our country’s borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law.” By 2016, such language was gone. The party’s platform described America’s immigration system as a problem, but not illegal immigration itself. And it focused almost entirely on the forms of immigration enforcement that Democrats opposed. In its immigration section, the 2008 platform referred three times to people entering the country “illegally.” The immigration section of the 2016 platform didn’t use the word illegal, or any variation of it, at all.

“A decade or two ago,” says Jason Furman, a former chairman of President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers, “Democrats were divided on immigration. Now everyone agrees and is passionate and thinks very little about any potential downsides.” How did this come to be?

There are several explanations for liberals’ shift. The first is that they have changed because the reality on the ground has changed, particularly as regards illegal immigration. In the two decades preceding 2008, the United States experienced sharp growth in its undocumented population. Since then, the numbers have leveled off.

But this alone doesn’t explain the transformation. The number of undocumented people in the United States hasn’t gone down significantly, after all; it’s stayed roughly the same. So the economic concerns that Krugman raised a decade ago remain relevant today.

Related Story

What’s Wrong With the Democrats?


A larger explanation is political. Between 2008 and 2016, Democrats became more and more confident that the country’s growing Latino population gave the party an electoral edge. To win the presidency, Democrats convinced themselves, they didn’t need to reassure white people skeptical of immigration so long as they turned out their Latino base. “The fastest-growing sector of the American electorate stampeded toward the Democrats this November,” Salon declared after Obama’s 2008 win. “If that pattern continues, the GOP is doomed to 40 years of wandering in a desert.”



Former ICE Official: Democrats Don't Want to Talk About Border Invasion

Former ICE Official: Democrats Don't Want to Talk About Border Invasion
By Susan Jones | October 22, 2018 | 11:04 AM EDT



caravan2-getty.jpg

Honduras has some of the highest crime and poverty rates in Latin America. (Photo by John Moore/Getty Images)
(CNSNews.com) - Tom Homan, the former acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), said the thousands of Central Americans heading north to the U.S. border are taking advantage of this country's weak immigration laws, but Democrats don’t want to talk about that.

"A lot of this could have been prevented," Homan told Fox News Monday morning. "I've said for over a year that if we didn't fix these loopholes it would happen. And here it is."



Over the weekend, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the United States will not allow the migrants to enter the U.S. Pompeo said the Trump administration is “deeply concerned by the violence provoked by some members of the group, as well as the apparent political motivation of some organizers of the caravan."

"This is something nobody wants to talk about, especially Democrats, right?" Homan said. He noted that some Democrats want to establish more sanctuary cities and abolish ICE:

This entices more people to make this dangerous journey. And these people don't come by themselves. They hired criminal organizations to get to the country. And in my 34 years, I have seen numerous women raped. I've seen children die making that trip. You know, I was in Phoenix, Arizona when aliens were held hostage and their smuggling fees doubled and they were tortured and killed. I mean, I was in the back of a tractor trailer with 19 dead aliens, including a five year old little boy who suffocated to death.

When you entice people to come to this country, when have weak immigration laws, that's what happens. These people are at the mercy of criminal organizations who don't care about them at all. They're a commodity --- they're there to make money.

And this is the other side of the story. This is not just about law enforcement, it's about saving lives. And nobody wants to talk about this, especially Democrats. So when they throw out 'Abolish ICE' and throw out 'sanctuary cities' and 'Let's protect them keep them in the United States and protect them from ICE' -- they want to keep them in the United States illegally but they don't want to build a wall to keep them out. That sends a message to more people to make that journey, and more people will be victimized because of it.

Homan said Democrats refuse to strike an immigration deal because they don't want to give President Trump a "win" on immigration.

"This is all about putting their political hatred of this president ahead of national security and public safety. And ahead of the safety of these American patriots on the line that wear that uniform -- it's disgusting."

President Trump on Monday tweeted that the "caravan" includes "Criminals and unknown Middle Easterners," and he said he has alerted the U.S. Border Patrol and the U.S. Military "that this is a National Emergency."

"There's going to be a certain amount of criminals," Homan agreed. "They will put themselves in that group. We know for a fact, based on intelligence reports, that these cartels and smuggling organizations -- they'll push a large group of family units in one area to tie the Border Patrol assets up. And while the Border Patrol assets are tied up dealing with these families, they're pushing drugs and other bad people through another part of the border because Border Patrol is totally tied up."

Homan said all members of Congress, regardless of party, should want to close the loopholes.

"Thank God we have a president sitting in the White House who understands this, and has the backs of these 20,000 men and women, that wants to secure our border. I cannot believe we're even discussing that this as an issue at this point."

socialism.jpg


speaking of socialism....

why don't conservatives EVER want to talk about socialist democracies like Norway and Finland?

which DO work and are the happiest countries in the world!
 
20171102_soc.jpg


Democrats have refused to listen to experts on a variety of issues, including immigration officials that have been working on border enforcement for decades.

Democrats feel they can get away with lying about the border crisis by ignoring it. Not one of them has gone there to talk to the people that protect this nation from drug-traffickers and illegal immigration. They simply have chosen to ignore what's going on. So when you hear from the 18 or so Democrats currently running for president, not one of them can say what is actually going on. They refused to listen from day-one, and they've chosen to remain willfully-ignorant on the subject.

Why?

Because of several reasons......Democrats plan on raising our taxes. What better way to do it than flooding the country with people who have to be taken care of. Never mind the fact that they're allowing these non-citizens to vote in our elections.....they're using these non-citizens to decimate our social programs, trying to ruin them so they can declare a national emergency and raise our taxes. But not only that.....they want to take every cent we make and only allot to us what they think we need. This is Socialism. Socialism isn't free stuff for everyone. It's total governmental control of businesses and income. Trump is trying to prevent this from happening.

Socialism-from-libertycadre.com2Fsocialism-900x804.png


"The myth, which liberals like myself find tempting, is that only the right has changed. In June 2015, we tell ourselves, Donald Trump rode down his golden escalator and pretty soon nativism, long a feature of conservative politics, had engulfed it. But that’s not the full story. If the right has grown more nationalistic, the left has grown less so. A decade ago, liberals publicly questioned immigration in ways that would shock many progressives today.

Listen to the audio version of this article:Feature stories, read aloud: download the Audm app for your iPhone.

In 2005, a left-leaning blogger wrote, “Illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone.” In 2006, a liberal columnist wrote that “immigration reduces the wages of domestic workers who compete with immigrants” and that “the fiscal burden of low-wage immigrants is also pretty clear.” His conclusion: “We’ll need to reduce the inflow of low-skill immigrants.” That same year, a Democratic senator wrote, “When I see Mexican flags waved at proimmigration demonstrations, I sometimes feel a flush of patriotic resentment. When I’m forced to use a translator to communicate with the guy fixing my car, I feel a certain frustration.”

The blogger was Glenn Greenwald. The columnist was Paul Krugman. The senator was Barack Obama.

Prominent liberals didn’t oppose immigration a decade ago. Most acknowledged its benefits to America’s economy and culture. They supported a path to citizenship for the undocumented. Still, they routinely asserted that low-skilled immigrants depressed the wages of low-skilled American workers and strained America’s welfare state. And they were far more likely than liberals today are to acknowledge that, as Krugman put it, “immigration is an intensely painful topic … because it places basic principles in conflict.”

Today, little of that ambivalence remains. In 2008, the Democratic platform called undocumented immigrants “our neighbors.” But it also warned, “We cannot continue to allow people to enter the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked,” adding that “those who enter our country’s borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law.” By 2016, such language was gone. The party’s platform described America’s immigration system as a problem, but not illegal immigration itself. And it focused almost entirely on the forms of immigration enforcement that Democrats opposed. In its immigration section, the 2008 platform referred three times to people entering the country “illegally.” The immigration section of the 2016 platform didn’t use the word illegal, or any variation of it, at all.

“A decade or two ago,” says Jason Furman, a former chairman of President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers, “Democrats were divided on immigration. Now everyone agrees and is passionate and thinks very little about any potential downsides.” How did this come to be?

There are several explanations for liberals’ shift. The first is that they have changed because the reality on the ground has changed, particularly as regards illegal immigration. In the two decades preceding 2008, the United States experienced sharp growth in its undocumented population. Since then, the numbers have leveled off.

But this alone doesn’t explain the transformation. The number of undocumented people in the United States hasn’t gone down significantly, after all; it’s stayed roughly the same. So the economic concerns that Krugman raised a decade ago remain relevant today.

Related Story

What’s Wrong With the Democrats?


A larger explanation is political. Between 2008 and 2016, Democrats became more and more confident that the country’s growing Latino population gave the party an electoral edge. To win the presidency, Democrats convinced themselves, they didn’t need to reassure white people skeptical of immigration so long as they turned out their Latino base. “The fastest-growing sector of the American electorate stampeded toward the Democrats this November,” Salon declared after Obama’s 2008 win. “If that pattern continues, the GOP is doomed to 40 years of wandering in a desert.”



Former ICE Official: Democrats Don't Want to Talk About Border Invasion

Former ICE Official: Democrats Don't Want to Talk About Border Invasion
By Susan Jones | October 22, 2018 | 11:04 AM EDT



caravan2-getty.jpg

Honduras has some of the highest crime and poverty rates in Latin America. (Photo by John Moore/Getty Images)
(CNSNews.com) - Tom Homan, the former acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), said the thousands of Central Americans heading north to the U.S. border are taking advantage of this country's weak immigration laws, but Democrats don’t want to talk about that.

"A lot of this could have been prevented," Homan told Fox News Monday morning. "I've said for over a year that if we didn't fix these loopholes it would happen. And here it is."



Over the weekend, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the United States will not allow the migrants to enter the U.S. Pompeo said the Trump administration is “deeply concerned by the violence provoked by some members of the group, as well as the apparent political motivation of some organizers of the caravan."

"This is something nobody wants to talk about, especially Democrats, right?" Homan said. He noted that some Democrats want to establish more sanctuary cities and abolish ICE:

This entices more people to make this dangerous journey. And these people don't come by themselves. They hired criminal organizations to get to the country. And in my 34 years, I have seen numerous women raped. I've seen children die making that trip. You know, I was in Phoenix, Arizona when aliens were held hostage and their smuggling fees doubled and they were tortured and killed. I mean, I was in the back of a tractor trailer with 19 dead aliens, including a five year old little boy who suffocated to death.

When you entice people to come to this country, when have weak immigration laws, that's what happens. These people are at the mercy of criminal organizations who don't care about them at all. They're a commodity --- they're there to make money.

And this is the other side of the story. This is not just about law enforcement, it's about saving lives. And nobody wants to talk about this, especially Democrats. So when they throw out 'Abolish ICE' and throw out 'sanctuary cities' and 'Let's protect them keep them in the United States and protect them from ICE' -- they want to keep them in the United States illegally but they don't want to build a wall to keep them out. That sends a message to more people to make that journey, and more people will be victimized because of it.

Homan said Democrats refuse to strike an immigration deal because they don't want to give President Trump a "win" on immigration.

"This is all about putting their political hatred of this president ahead of national security and public safety. And ahead of the safety of these American patriots on the line that wear that uniform -- it's disgusting."

President Trump on Monday tweeted that the "caravan" includes "Criminals and unknown Middle Easterners," and he said he has alerted the U.S. Border Patrol and the U.S. Military "that this is a National Emergency."

"There's going to be a certain amount of criminals," Homan agreed. "They will put themselves in that group. We know for a fact, based on intelligence reports, that these cartels and smuggling organizations -- they'll push a large group of family units in one area to tie the Border Patrol assets up. And while the Border Patrol assets are tied up dealing with these families, they're pushing drugs and other bad people through another part of the border because Border Patrol is totally tied up."

Homan said all members of Congress, regardless of party, should want to close the loopholes.

"Thank God we have a president sitting in the White House who understands this, and has the backs of these 20,000 men and women, that wants to secure our border. I cannot believe we're even discussing that this as an issue at this point."

socialism.jpg


speaking of socialism....

why don't conservatives EVER want to talk about socialist democracies like Norway and Finland?

which DO work and are the happiest countries in the world!
Well the problem with that is those countries don't work as well since they were invaded by refugees the last couple of years. They have a limited amount of cash on hand.
Not to mention the simple fact that none of those countries could operate without the US defending them from Communist aggression. None of them have to keep a large army to defend their borders from aggressive neighbors.
Socialist countries have to have some form of Capitalism to survive....or become a succubus off of another country that isn't Socialist.
 
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Democrats have refused to listen to experts on a variety of issues, including immigration officials that have been working on border enforcement for decades.

Democrats feel they can get away with lying about the border crisis by ignoring it. Not one of them has gone there to talk to the people that protect this nation from drug-traffickers and illegal immigration. They simply have chosen to ignore what's going on. So when you hear from the 18 or so Democrats currently running for president, not one of them can say what is actually going on. They refused to listen from day-one, and they've chosen to remain willfully-ignorant on the subject.

Why?

Because of several reasons......Democrats plan on raising our taxes. What better way to do it than flooding the country with people who have to be taken care of. Never mind the fact that they're allowing these non-citizens to vote in our elections.....they're using these non-citizens to decimate our social programs, trying to ruin them so they can declare a national emergency and raise our taxes. But not only that.....they want to take every cent we make and only allot to us what they think we need. This is Socialism. Socialism isn't free stuff for everyone. It's total governmental control of businesses and income. Trump is trying to prevent this from happening.

Socialism-from-libertycadre.com2Fsocialism-900x804.png


"The myth, which liberals like myself find tempting, is that only the right has changed. In June 2015, we tell ourselves, Donald Trump rode down his golden escalator and pretty soon nativism, long a feature of conservative politics, had engulfed it. But that’s not the full story. If the right has grown more nationalistic, the left has grown less so. A decade ago, liberals publicly questioned immigration in ways that would shock many progressives today.

Listen to the audio version of this article:Feature stories, read aloud: download the Audm app for your iPhone.

In 2005, a left-leaning blogger wrote, “Illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone.” In 2006, a liberal columnist wrote that “immigration reduces the wages of domestic workers who compete with immigrants” and that “the fiscal burden of low-wage immigrants is also pretty clear.” His conclusion: “We’ll need to reduce the inflow of low-skill immigrants.” That same year, a Democratic senator wrote, “When I see Mexican flags waved at proimmigration demonstrations, I sometimes feel a flush of patriotic resentment. When I’m forced to use a translator to communicate with the guy fixing my car, I feel a certain frustration.”

The blogger was Glenn Greenwald. The columnist was Paul Krugman. The senator was Barack Obama.

Prominent liberals didn’t oppose immigration a decade ago. Most acknowledged its benefits to America’s economy and culture. They supported a path to citizenship for the undocumented. Still, they routinely asserted that low-skilled immigrants depressed the wages of low-skilled American workers and strained America’s welfare state. And they were far more likely than liberals today are to acknowledge that, as Krugman put it, “immigration is an intensely painful topic … because it places basic principles in conflict.”

Today, little of that ambivalence remains. In 2008, the Democratic platform called undocumented immigrants “our neighbors.” But it also warned, “We cannot continue to allow people to enter the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked,” adding that “those who enter our country’s borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law.” By 2016, such language was gone. The party’s platform described America’s immigration system as a problem, but not illegal immigration itself. And it focused almost entirely on the forms of immigration enforcement that Democrats opposed. In its immigration section, the 2008 platform referred three times to people entering the country “illegally.” The immigration section of the 2016 platform didn’t use the word illegal, or any variation of it, at all.

“A decade or two ago,” says Jason Furman, a former chairman of President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers, “Democrats were divided on immigration. Now everyone agrees and is passionate and thinks very little about any potential downsides.” How did this come to be?

There are several explanations for liberals’ shift. The first is that they have changed because the reality on the ground has changed, particularly as regards illegal immigration. In the two decades preceding 2008, the United States experienced sharp growth in its undocumented population. Since then, the numbers have leveled off.

But this alone doesn’t explain the transformation. The number of undocumented people in the United States hasn’t gone down significantly, after all; it’s stayed roughly the same. So the economic concerns that Krugman raised a decade ago remain relevant today.

Related Story

What’s Wrong With the Democrats?


A larger explanation is political. Between 2008 and 2016, Democrats became more and more confident that the country’s growing Latino population gave the party an electoral edge. To win the presidency, Democrats convinced themselves, they didn’t need to reassure white people skeptical of immigration so long as they turned out their Latino base. “The fastest-growing sector of the American electorate stampeded toward the Democrats this November,” Salon declared after Obama’s 2008 win. “If that pattern continues, the GOP is doomed to 40 years of wandering in a desert.”



Former ICE Official: Democrats Don't Want to Talk About Border Invasion

Former ICE Official: Democrats Don't Want to Talk About Border Invasion
By Susan Jones | October 22, 2018 | 11:04 AM EDT



caravan2-getty.jpg

Honduras has some of the highest crime and poverty rates in Latin America. (Photo by John Moore/Getty Images)
(CNSNews.com) - Tom Homan, the former acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), said the thousands of Central Americans heading north to the U.S. border are taking advantage of this country's weak immigration laws, but Democrats don’t want to talk about that.

"A lot of this could have been prevented," Homan told Fox News Monday morning. "I've said for over a year that if we didn't fix these loopholes it would happen. And here it is."



Over the weekend, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the United States will not allow the migrants to enter the U.S. Pompeo said the Trump administration is “deeply concerned by the violence provoked by some members of the group, as well as the apparent political motivation of some organizers of the caravan."

"This is something nobody wants to talk about, especially Democrats, right?" Homan said. He noted that some Democrats want to establish more sanctuary cities and abolish ICE:

This entices more people to make this dangerous journey. And these people don't come by themselves. They hired criminal organizations to get to the country. And in my 34 years, I have seen numerous women raped. I've seen children die making that trip. You know, I was in Phoenix, Arizona when aliens were held hostage and their smuggling fees doubled and they were tortured and killed. I mean, I was in the back of a tractor trailer with 19 dead aliens, including a five year old little boy who suffocated to death.

When you entice people to come to this country, when have weak immigration laws, that's what happens. These people are at the mercy of criminal organizations who don't care about them at all. They're a commodity --- they're there to make money.

And this is the other side of the story. This is not just about law enforcement, it's about saving lives. And nobody wants to talk about this, especially Democrats. So when they throw out 'Abolish ICE' and throw out 'sanctuary cities' and 'Let's protect them keep them in the United States and protect them from ICE' -- they want to keep them in the United States illegally but they don't want to build a wall to keep them out. That sends a message to more people to make that journey, and more people will be victimized because of it.

Homan said Democrats refuse to strike an immigration deal because they don't want to give President Trump a "win" on immigration.

"This is all about putting their political hatred of this president ahead of national security and public safety. And ahead of the safety of these American patriots on the line that wear that uniform -- it's disgusting."

President Trump on Monday tweeted that the "caravan" includes "Criminals and unknown Middle Easterners," and he said he has alerted the U.S. Border Patrol and the U.S. Military "that this is a National Emergency."

"There's going to be a certain amount of criminals," Homan agreed. "They will put themselves in that group. We know for a fact, based on intelligence reports, that these cartels and smuggling organizations -- they'll push a large group of family units in one area to tie the Border Patrol assets up. And while the Border Patrol assets are tied up dealing with these families, they're pushing drugs and other bad people through another part of the border because Border Patrol is totally tied up."

Homan said all members of Congress, regardless of party, should want to close the loopholes.

"Thank God we have a president sitting in the White House who understands this, and has the backs of these 20,000 men and women, that wants to secure our border. I cannot believe we're even discussing that this as an issue at this point."

socialism.jpg


speaking of socialism....

why don't conservatives EVER want to talk about socialist democracies like Norway and Finland?

which DO work and are the happiest countries in the world!


You libtards need to change the channel.

cnn and msnbc have filled your heads full of shit.....

Norway and Finland are social/capitalist democracies.

Neither are true socialist.

Both have around 5 and a half million people each,

compared to the US with 323.13 million.
 
Fun fact: the word “wall” as typed here in this post, if measured for length, is longer than the total amount of new wall the dotard has built on the border.
 
20171102_soc.jpg


Democrats have refused to listen to experts on a variety of issues, including immigration officials that have been working on border enforcement for decades.

Democrats feel they can get away with lying about the border crisis by ignoring it. Not one of them has gone there to talk to the people that protect this nation from drug-traffickers and illegal immigration. They simply have chosen to ignore what's going on. So when you hear from the 18 or so Democrats currently running for president, not one of them can say what is actually going on. They refused to listen from day-one, and they've chosen to remain willfully-ignorant on the subject.

Why?

Because of several reasons......Democrats plan on raising our taxes. What better way to do it than flooding the country with people who have to be taken care of. Never mind the fact that they're allowing these non-citizens to vote in our elections.....they're using these non-citizens to decimate our social programs, trying to ruin them so they can declare a national emergency and raise our taxes. But not only that.....they want to take every cent we make and only allot to us what they think we need. This is Socialism. Socialism isn't free stuff for everyone. It's total governmental control of businesses and income. Trump is trying to prevent this from happening.

Socialism-from-libertycadre.com2Fsocialism-900x804.png


"The myth, which liberals like myself find tempting, is that only the right has changed. In June 2015, we tell ourselves, Donald Trump rode down his golden escalator and pretty soon nativism, long a feature of conservative politics, had engulfed it. But that’s not the full story. If the right has grown more nationalistic, the left has grown less so. A decade ago, liberals publicly questioned immigration in ways that would shock many progressives today.

Listen to the audio version of this article:Feature stories, read aloud: download the Audm app for your iPhone.

In 2005, a left-leaning blogger wrote, “Illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone.” In 2006, a liberal columnist wrote that “immigration reduces the wages of domestic workers who compete with immigrants” and that “the fiscal burden of low-wage immigrants is also pretty clear.” His conclusion: “We’ll need to reduce the inflow of low-skill immigrants.” That same year, a Democratic senator wrote, “When I see Mexican flags waved at proimmigration demonstrations, I sometimes feel a flush of patriotic resentment. When I’m forced to use a translator to communicate with the guy fixing my car, I feel a certain frustration.”

The blogger was Glenn Greenwald. The columnist was Paul Krugman. The senator was Barack Obama.

Prominent liberals didn’t oppose immigration a decade ago. Most acknowledged its benefits to America’s economy and culture. They supported a path to citizenship for the undocumented. Still, they routinely asserted that low-skilled immigrants depressed the wages of low-skilled American workers and strained America’s welfare state. And they were far more likely than liberals today are to acknowledge that, as Krugman put it, “immigration is an intensely painful topic … because it places basic principles in conflict.”

Today, little of that ambivalence remains. In 2008, the Democratic platform called undocumented immigrants “our neighbors.” But it also warned, “We cannot continue to allow people to enter the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked,” adding that “those who enter our country’s borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law.” By 2016, such language was gone. The party’s platform described America’s immigration system as a problem, but not illegal immigration itself. And it focused almost entirely on the forms of immigration enforcement that Democrats opposed. In its immigration section, the 2008 platform referred three times to people entering the country “illegally.” The immigration section of the 2016 platform didn’t use the word illegal, or any variation of it, at all.

“A decade or two ago,” says Jason Furman, a former chairman of President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers, “Democrats were divided on immigration. Now everyone agrees and is passionate and thinks very little about any potential downsides.” How did this come to be?

There are several explanations for liberals’ shift. The first is that they have changed because the reality on the ground has changed, particularly as regards illegal immigration. In the two decades preceding 2008, the United States experienced sharp growth in its undocumented population. Since then, the numbers have leveled off.

But this alone doesn’t explain the transformation. The number of undocumented people in the United States hasn’t gone down significantly, after all; it’s stayed roughly the same. So the economic concerns that Krugman raised a decade ago remain relevant today.

Related Story

What’s Wrong With the Democrats?


A larger explanation is political. Between 2008 and 2016, Democrats became more and more confident that the country’s growing Latino population gave the party an electoral edge. To win the presidency, Democrats convinced themselves, they didn’t need to reassure white people skeptical of immigration so long as they turned out their Latino base. “The fastest-growing sector of the American electorate stampeded toward the Democrats this November,” Salon declared after Obama’s 2008 win. “If that pattern continues, the GOP is doomed to 40 years of wandering in a desert.”



Former ICE Official: Democrats Don't Want to Talk About Border Invasion

Former ICE Official: Democrats Don't Want to Talk About Border Invasion
By Susan Jones | October 22, 2018 | 11:04 AM EDT



caravan2-getty.jpg

Honduras has some of the highest crime and poverty rates in Latin America. (Photo by John Moore/Getty Images)
(CNSNews.com) - Tom Homan, the former acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), said the thousands of Central Americans heading north to the U.S. border are taking advantage of this country's weak immigration laws, but Democrats don’t want to talk about that.

"A lot of this could have been prevented," Homan told Fox News Monday morning. "I've said for over a year that if we didn't fix these loopholes it would happen. And here it is."



Over the weekend, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the United States will not allow the migrants to enter the U.S. Pompeo said the Trump administration is “deeply concerned by the violence provoked by some members of the group, as well as the apparent political motivation of some organizers of the caravan."

"This is something nobody wants to talk about, especially Democrats, right?" Homan said. He noted that some Democrats want to establish more sanctuary cities and abolish ICE:

This entices more people to make this dangerous journey. And these people don't come by themselves. They hired criminal organizations to get to the country. And in my 34 years, I have seen numerous women raped. I've seen children die making that trip. You know, I was in Phoenix, Arizona when aliens were held hostage and their smuggling fees doubled and they were tortured and killed. I mean, I was in the back of a tractor trailer with 19 dead aliens, including a five year old little boy who suffocated to death.

When you entice people to come to this country, when have weak immigration laws, that's what happens. These people are at the mercy of criminal organizations who don't care about them at all. They're a commodity --- they're there to make money.

And this is the other side of the story. This is not just about law enforcement, it's about saving lives. And nobody wants to talk about this, especially Democrats. So when they throw out 'Abolish ICE' and throw out 'sanctuary cities' and 'Let's protect them keep them in the United States and protect them from ICE' -- they want to keep them in the United States illegally but they don't want to build a wall to keep them out. That sends a message to more people to make that journey, and more people will be victimized because of it.

Homan said Democrats refuse to strike an immigration deal because they don't want to give President Trump a "win" on immigration.

"This is all about putting their political hatred of this president ahead of national security and public safety. And ahead of the safety of these American patriots on the line that wear that uniform -- it's disgusting."

President Trump on Monday tweeted that the "caravan" includes "Criminals and unknown Middle Easterners," and he said he has alerted the U.S. Border Patrol and the U.S. Military "that this is a National Emergency."

"There's going to be a certain amount of criminals," Homan agreed. "They will put themselves in that group. We know for a fact, based on intelligence reports, that these cartels and smuggling organizations -- they'll push a large group of family units in one area to tie the Border Patrol assets up. And while the Border Patrol assets are tied up dealing with these families, they're pushing drugs and other bad people through another part of the border because Border Patrol is totally tied up."

Homan said all members of Congress, regardless of party, should want to close the loopholes.

"Thank God we have a president sitting in the White House who understands this, and has the backs of these 20,000 men and women, that wants to secure our border. I cannot believe we're even discussing that this as an issue at this point."

socialism.jpg


speaking of socialism....

why don't conservatives EVER want to talk about socialist democracies like Norway and Finland?

which DO work and are the happiest countries in the world!


You libtards need to change the channel.

cnn and msnbc have filled your heads full of shit.....

Norway and Finland are social/capitalist democracies.

Neither are true socialist.

Both have around 5 and a half million people each,

compared to the US with 323.13 million.
Capitalism is racist.
Wages are racist.
Income is sexist and racist.
The flag is racist.
The Constitution is racist.
 
20171102_soc.jpg


Democrats have refused to listen to experts on a variety of issues, including immigration officials that have been working on border enforcement for decades.

Democrats feel they can get away with lying about the border crisis by ignoring it. Not one of them has gone there to talk to the people that protect this nation from drug-traffickers and illegal immigration. They simply have chosen to ignore what's going on. So when you hear from the 18 or so Democrats currently running for president, not one of them can say what is actually going on. They refused to listen from day-one, and they've chosen to remain willfully-ignorant on the subject.

Why?

Because of several reasons......Democrats plan on raising our taxes. What better way to do it than flooding the country with people who have to be taken care of. Never mind the fact that they're allowing these non-citizens to vote in our elections.....they're using these non-citizens to decimate our social programs, trying to ruin them so they can declare a national emergency and raise our taxes. But not only that.....they want to take every cent we make and only allot to us what they think we need. This is Socialism. Socialism isn't free stuff for everyone. It's total governmental control of businesses and income. Trump is trying to prevent this from happening.

Socialism-from-libertycadre.com2Fsocialism-900x804.png


"The myth, which liberals like myself find tempting, is that only the right has changed. In June 2015, we tell ourselves, Donald Trump rode down his golden escalator and pretty soon nativism, long a feature of conservative politics, had engulfed it. But that’s not the full story. If the right has grown more nationalistic, the left has grown less so. A decade ago, liberals publicly questioned immigration in ways that would shock many progressives today.

Listen to the audio version of this article:Feature stories, read aloud: download the Audm app for your iPhone.

In 2005, a left-leaning blogger wrote, “Illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone.” In 2006, a liberal columnist wrote that “immigration reduces the wages of domestic workers who compete with immigrants” and that “the fiscal burden of low-wage immigrants is also pretty clear.” His conclusion: “We’ll need to reduce the inflow of low-skill immigrants.” That same year, a Democratic senator wrote, “When I see Mexican flags waved at proimmigration demonstrations, I sometimes feel a flush of patriotic resentment. When I’m forced to use a translator to communicate with the guy fixing my car, I feel a certain frustration.”

The blogger was Glenn Greenwald. The columnist was Paul Krugman. The senator was Barack Obama.

Prominent liberals didn’t oppose immigration a decade ago. Most acknowledged its benefits to America’s economy and culture. They supported a path to citizenship for the undocumented. Still, they routinely asserted that low-skilled immigrants depressed the wages of low-skilled American workers and strained America’s welfare state. And they were far more likely than liberals today are to acknowledge that, as Krugman put it, “immigration is an intensely painful topic … because it places basic principles in conflict.”

Today, little of that ambivalence remains. In 2008, the Democratic platform called undocumented immigrants “our neighbors.” But it also warned, “We cannot continue to allow people to enter the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked,” adding that “those who enter our country’s borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law.” By 2016, such language was gone. The party’s platform described America’s immigration system as a problem, but not illegal immigration itself. And it focused almost entirely on the forms of immigration enforcement that Democrats opposed. In its immigration section, the 2008 platform referred three times to people entering the country “illegally.” The immigration section of the 2016 platform didn’t use the word illegal, or any variation of it, at all.

“A decade or two ago,” says Jason Furman, a former chairman of President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers, “Democrats were divided on immigration. Now everyone agrees and is passionate and thinks very little about any potential downsides.” How did this come to be?

There are several explanations for liberals’ shift. The first is that they have changed because the reality on the ground has changed, particularly as regards illegal immigration. In the two decades preceding 2008, the United States experienced sharp growth in its undocumented population. Since then, the numbers have leveled off.

But this alone doesn’t explain the transformation. The number of undocumented people in the United States hasn’t gone down significantly, after all; it’s stayed roughly the same. So the economic concerns that Krugman raised a decade ago remain relevant today.

Related Story

What’s Wrong With the Democrats?


A larger explanation is political. Between 2008 and 2016, Democrats became more and more confident that the country’s growing Latino population gave the party an electoral edge. To win the presidency, Democrats convinced themselves, they didn’t need to reassure white people skeptical of immigration so long as they turned out their Latino base. “The fastest-growing sector of the American electorate stampeded toward the Democrats this November,” Salon declared after Obama’s 2008 win. “If that pattern continues, the GOP is doomed to 40 years of wandering in a desert.”



Former ICE Official: Democrats Don't Want to Talk About Border Invasion

Former ICE Official: Democrats Don't Want to Talk About Border Invasion
By Susan Jones | October 22, 2018 | 11:04 AM EDT



caravan2-getty.jpg

Honduras has some of the highest crime and poverty rates in Latin America. (Photo by John Moore/Getty Images)
(CNSNews.com) - Tom Homan, the former acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), said the thousands of Central Americans heading north to the U.S. border are taking advantage of this country's weak immigration laws, but Democrats don’t want to talk about that.

"A lot of this could have been prevented," Homan told Fox News Monday morning. "I've said for over a year that if we didn't fix these loopholes it would happen. And here it is."



Over the weekend, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the United States will not allow the migrants to enter the U.S. Pompeo said the Trump administration is “deeply concerned by the violence provoked by some members of the group, as well as the apparent political motivation of some organizers of the caravan."

"This is something nobody wants to talk about, especially Democrats, right?" Homan said. He noted that some Democrats want to establish more sanctuary cities and abolish ICE:

This entices more people to make this dangerous journey. And these people don't come by themselves. They hired criminal organizations to get to the country. And in my 34 years, I have seen numerous women raped. I've seen children die making that trip. You know, I was in Phoenix, Arizona when aliens were held hostage and their smuggling fees doubled and they were tortured and killed. I mean, I was in the back of a tractor trailer with 19 dead aliens, including a five year old little boy who suffocated to death.

When you entice people to come to this country, when have weak immigration laws, that's what happens. These people are at the mercy of criminal organizations who don't care about them at all. They're a commodity --- they're there to make money.

And this is the other side of the story. This is not just about law enforcement, it's about saving lives. And nobody wants to talk about this, especially Democrats. So when they throw out 'Abolish ICE' and throw out 'sanctuary cities' and 'Let's protect them keep them in the United States and protect them from ICE' -- they want to keep them in the United States illegally but they don't want to build a wall to keep them out. That sends a message to more people to make that journey, and more people will be victimized because of it.

Homan said Democrats refuse to strike an immigration deal because they don't want to give President Trump a "win" on immigration.

"This is all about putting their political hatred of this president ahead of national security and public safety. And ahead of the safety of these American patriots on the line that wear that uniform -- it's disgusting."



socialism.jpg

tl;dr
 
To Conservatives......

Helping the wealthy is PATRIOTISM
Helping working Americans is SOCIALISM
 
Fun fact: the word “wall” as typed here in this post, if measured for length, is longer than the total amount of new wall the dotard has built on the border.
OH, so you hedge your argument by declaring that replacing substandard fencing and barriers as doing nothing.
Yes since all of that had been in the works for years, and has been happening for years before your dotard.
 

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