Democrat Want's to Replace Police With Unarmed Teams. OMFG! Laughable

[Jackson]

/—-/ The mere presence of an armed police officer is enough to calm a situation.

Is it? Frankly, most people are kind of panicked when they see a cop with a gun, given their propesity to murder people for no good reason.

/——/ State the number of people murdered by police for “no good reason.” I’m sure you have a list next to your key board for easy reference.

What We Know About the Killing of Elijah McClain

Breonna Taylor was briefly alive after police shot her. But no one tried to treat her

It's also NOT just about being murdered.

'Sick To My Core': Aurora, Colo., Chief Apologizes After Black Family Is Handcuffed.

If the officers in the above scenario are completely unable to follow simple training in a situation like this they have no business being a police officer.

I'm counting. So far that is two.

One is too many. How many do you need before it becomes unacceptable?

I thought the poster said 1000 were shot and killed, then listed 2

 

[freyasman]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

An officer properly trained in mental health most certainly could be,

It's less about mental health and more about communication skills.
But part of the problem is that people with good communication skills tend to have a lot less experience with conflict. And that lack of experience, and the lack of confidence that comes with it, is going to be glaringly obvious to people who DO have it.

On the flip side, people with a lot of experience in violence are often not the best at negotiating a peaceful resolution..... they often default to just using force.

What you want is someone with good communication skills, capable of a high level of violent action, but who really wants to not go there.

But guys like that are actually pretty rare.

Cops are pretty good at negotiating. That is part of their job.

Just face it, we need police officers and now that they are defunding them, we need them even more.

Some are better than others.

But even the worst and least effective has the gravitas of being LE to lend street cred to their position.

Some social worker is just going to get ***** slapped. Because there's no force backing them up

 

[pknopp]

/—-/ The mere presence of an armed police officer is enough to calm a situation.

Is it? Frankly, most people are kind of panicked when they see a cop with a gun, given their propesity to murder people for no good reason.

/——/ State the number of people murdered by police for “no good reason.” I’m sure you have a list next to your key board for easy reference.

What We Know About the Killing of Elijah McClain

Breonna Taylor was briefly alive after police shot her. But no one tried to treat her

It's also NOT just about being murdered.

'Sick To My Core': Aurora, Colo., Chief Apologizes After Black Family Is Handcuffed.

If the officers in the above scenario are completely unable to follow simple training in a situation like this they have no business being a police officer.

I'm counting. So far that is two.

One is too many. How many do you need before it becomes unacceptable?

I thought the poster said 1000 were shot and killed, then listed 2

How many murders is acceptable to you?

 

[Jackson]

/—-/ The mere presence of an armed police officer is enough to calm a situation.

Is it? Frankly, most people are kind of panicked when they see a cop with a gun, given their propesity to murder people for no good reason.

/——/ State the number of people murdered by police for “no good reason.” I’m sure you have a list next to your key board for easy reference.

What We Know About the Killing of Elijah McClain

Breonna Taylor was briefly alive after police shot her. But no one tried to treat her

It's also NOT just about being murdered.

'Sick To My Core': Aurora, Colo., Chief Apologizes After Black Family Is Handcuffed.

If the officers in the above scenario are completely unable to follow simple training in a situation like this they have no business being a police officer.

I'm counting. So far that is two.

One is too many. How many do you need before it becomes unacceptable?

I thought the poster said 1000 were shot and killed, then listed 2

How many murders is acceptable to you?

Any number of shootings that were required to save another's life is acceptable.

 

[pknopp]

/—-/ The mere presence of an armed police officer is enough to calm a situation.

Is it? Frankly, most people are kind of panicked when they see a cop with a gun, given their propesity to murder people for no good reason.

/——/ State the number of people murdered by police for “no good reason.” I’m sure you have a list next to your key board for easy reference.

What We Know About the Killing of Elijah McClain

Breonna Taylor was briefly alive after police shot her. But no one tried to treat her

It's also NOT just about being murdered.

'Sick To My Core': Aurora, Colo., Chief Apologizes After Black Family Is Handcuffed.

If the officers in the above scenario are completely unable to follow simple training in a situation like this they have no business being a police officer.

I'm counting. So far that is two.

One is too many. How many do you need before it becomes unacceptable?

I thought the poster said 1000 were shot and killed, then listed 2

How many murders is acceptable to you?

Any number of shootings that were required to save another's life is acceptable.

Right, you won't answer.

 

[bodecea]

Oregon Dem wants to replace cops using unarmed teams funded via Medicaid hike: report

An Oregon Democrat is seeking a hike in Medicaid funding to help finance unarmed response teams that would replace police officers in some instances, according to a report.

www.foxnews.com

Soon this will be position of DNC! Idiots!

Must have guns, right?

 

[Claudette]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

Truer words were never spoken.

The first time one of these social workers gets beaten stabbed or shot none of them will want to act as police. They will quit and who can blame them. They aren't trained to be police. They are social workers. Probably the most useless folks on the planet.

Police officers are never beat, stabbed or shot? Ever?

Of course they have but they also have partners, training and guns.

Police know how to take care of themselves.

You can bet social workers wouldn't have a clue how to react to someone wants to beat the shit out of them, stab or use a gun on them.

Why? You have this silly stereotype in your head. A four year degree can create a complete police officer.

They don't go to college dummy, they go the police academy.

Once out of the academy they can apply at a Sheriffs department or a police department.

Once accepted into a police department they have a FTO, field training officer, who is their training officer.

If they pass the training they become members of the Police department. If they don't, they are gone.

I can see I'm wasting my time with you.

No your wasting everyone on this boards time.

 

[Jackson]

/—-/ The mere presence of an armed police officer is enough to calm a situation.

Is it? Frankly, most people are kind of panicked when they see a cop with a gun, given their propesity to murder people for no good reason.

/——/ State the number of people murdered by police for “no good reason.” I’m sure you have a list next to your key board for easy reference.

What We Know About the Killing of Elijah McClain

Breonna Taylor was briefly alive after police shot her. But no one tried to treat her

It's also NOT just about being murdered.

'Sick To My Core': Aurora, Colo., Chief Apologizes After Black Family Is Handcuffed.

If the officers in the above scenario are completely unable to follow simple training in a situation like this they have no business being a police officer.

I'm counting. So far that is two.

One is too many. How many do you need before it becomes unacceptable?

I thought the poster said 1000 were shot and killed, then listed 2

How many murders is acceptable to you?

Any number of shootings that were required to save another's life is acceptable.

Right, you won't answer.

Oh, but I did. You were unhappy at the answer that was thoughtful and made sense.

 

[freyasman]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

An officer properly trained in mental health most certainly could be,

It's less about mental health and more about communication skills.
But part of the problem is that people with good communication skills tend to have a lot less experience with conflict. And that lack of experience, and the lack of confidence that comes with it, is going to be glaringly obvious to people who DO have it.

Totally made up B.S. There are police officers today that are very good at it. The problem is those who are not. The problem is in the way they are trained. There are many officers who have taken the time to talk a situation down. Are you saying they do so because they are failures as a police officer?

On the flip side, people with a lot of experience in violence are often not the best at negotiating a peaceful resolution..... they often default to just using force.

What you want is someone with good communication skills, capable of a high level of violent action, but who really wants to not go there.

But guys like that are actually pretty rare.

Training. If you are unable to cut the training become a drive up window worker.

You don't know much about this kind of thing either, do you?

And yet again, someone who counters me without stating anything they actually disagree with. You do realize that you said nothing, right?

You said it was totally made up BS; that's false.

You said training is the answer but you failed to say what type of training, and on what?

Would you like to clarify, or am I right that you really don't know shit about this?

 

[pknopp]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

An officer properly trained in mental health most certainly could be,

It's less about mental health and more about communication skills.
But part of the problem is that people with good communication skills tend to have a lot less experience with conflict. And that lack of experience, and the lack of confidence that comes with it, is going to be glaringly obvious to people who DO have it.

Totally made up B.S. There are police officers today that are very good at it. The problem is those who are not. The problem is in the way they are trained. There are many officers who have taken the time to talk a situation down. Are you saying they do so because they are failures as a police officer?

On the flip side, people with a lot of experience in violence are often not the best at negotiating a peaceful resolution..... they often default to just using force.

What you want is someone with good communication skills, capable of a high level of violent action, but who really wants to not go there.

But guys like that are actually pretty rare.

Training. If you are unable to cut the training become a drive up window worker.

You don't know much about this kind of thing either, do you?

And yet again, someone who counters me without stating anything they actually disagree with. You do realize that you said nothing, right?

You said it was totally made up BS; that's false.

You said training is the answer but you failed to say what type of training, and on what?

We have stated what kind of training. If you are wanting someone to create a complete policy here all you are trying to do is ignore the issue.

Would you like to clarify, or am I right that you really don't know shit about this?

Read what has been posted.

 

[freyasman]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

An officer properly trained in mental health most certainly could be,

It's less about mental health and more about communication skills.
But part of the problem is that people with good communication skills tend to have a lot less experience with conflict. And that lack of experience, and the lack of confidence that comes with it, is going to be glaringly obvious to people who DO have it.

Totally made up B.S. There are police officers today that are very good at it. The problem is those who are not. The problem is in the way they are trained. There are many officers who have taken the time to talk a situation down. Are you saying they do so because they are failures as a police officer?

On the flip side, people with a lot of experience in violence are often not the best at negotiating a peaceful resolution..... they often default to just using force.

What you want is someone with good communication skills, capable of a high level of violent action, but who really wants to not go there.

But guys like that are actually pretty rare.

Training. If you are unable to cut the training become a drive up window worker.

You don't know much about this kind of thing either, do you?

And yet again, someone who counters me without stating anything they actually disagree with. You do realize that you said nothing, right?

You said it was totally made up BS; that's false.

You said training is the answer but you failed to say what type of training, and on what?

We have stated what kind of training. If you are wanting someone to create a complete policy here all you are trying to do is ignore the issue.

Would you like to clarify, or am I right that you really don't know shit about this?

Read what has been posted.

You do understand that mental health training is not the same as conflict management right?

Or do you?
I don't think you do understand this..... even a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists don't.

The mental health cases they most often deal with are the ones who have it together enough to go seek help...... that is a totally different animal than the bipolar guy who has been doing meth all day and is now beating the shit out of his roommates girlfriend because she's a loudmouth.

 

[pknopp]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

An officer properly trained in mental health most certainly could be,

It's less about mental health and more about communication skills.
But part of the problem is that people with good communication skills tend to have a lot less experience with conflict. And that lack of experience, and the lack of confidence that comes with it, is going to be glaringly obvious to people who DO have it.

Totally made up B.S. There are police officers today that are very good at it. The problem is those who are not. The problem is in the way they are trained. There are many officers who have taken the time to talk a situation down. Are you saying they do so because they are failures as a police officer?

On the flip side, people with a lot of experience in violence are often not the best at negotiating a peaceful resolution..... they often default to just using force.

What you want is someone with good communication skills, capable of a high level of violent action, but who really wants to not go there.

But guys like that are actually pretty rare.

Training. If you are unable to cut the training become a drive up window worker.

You don't know much about this kind of thing either, do you?

And yet again, someone who counters me without stating anything they actually disagree with. You do realize that you said nothing, right?

You said it was totally made up BS; that's false.

You said training is the answer but you failed to say what type of training, and on what?

We have stated what kind of training. If you are wanting someone to create a complete policy here all you are trying to do is ignore the issue.

Would you like to clarify, or am I right that you really don't know shit about this?

Read what has been posted.

You do understand that mental health training is not the same as conflict management right?

We are not writing policy or creating anyhting. You discuss basic principles here.

Or do you?
I don't think you do understand this..... even a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists don't.

I get it now. You know more than anyone, even the experts and to prove this you post on some random message board.

The mental health cases they most often deal with are the ones who have it together enough to go seek help...... that is a totally different animal than the bipolar guy who has been doing meth all day and is now beating the shit out of his roommates girlfriend because she's a loudmouth.

Nobody has argued that they will deal with every single case so it would seem you aren't quite as on the ball as you pretend.

 

[hadit]

Oregon Dem wants to replace cops using unarmed teams funded via Medicaid hike: report

An Oregon Democrat is seeking a hike in Medicaid funding to help finance unarmed response teams that would replace police officers in some instances, according to a report.

www.foxnews.com

Soon this will be position of DNC! Idiots!

Do you really need to send two armed officers out to a house that is playing it's music too loud or to break up a domestic argument?

Dummies like you will think so.

In all seriousness, you're full of it. Ever see a drunk at a party or a domestic argument turn violent? A cop has no idea what is behind that door, and he's there to stop somebody from doing something they want to do. And you want him to go in unprotected. Dumb.

 

[freyasman]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

An officer properly trained in mental health most certainly could be,

It's less about mental health and more about communication skills.
But part of the problem is that people with good communication skills tend to have a lot less experience with conflict. And that lack of experience, and the lack of confidence that comes with it, is going to be glaringly obvious to people who DO have it.

Totally made up B.S. There are police officers today that are very good at it. The problem is those who are not. The problem is in the way they are trained. There are many officers who have taken the time to talk a situation down. Are you saying they do so because they are failures as a police officer?

On the flip side, people with a lot of experience in violence are often not the best at negotiating a peaceful resolution..... they often default to just using force.

What you want is someone with good communication skills, capable of a high level of violent action, but who really wants to not go there.

But guys like that are actually pretty rare.

Training. If you are unable to cut the training become a drive up window worker.

You don't know much about this kind of thing either, do you?

And yet again, someone who counters me without stating anything they actually disagree with. You do realize that you said nothing, right?

You said it was totally made up BS; that's false.

You said training is the answer but you failed to say what type of training, and on what?

We have stated what kind of training. If you are wanting someone to create a complete policy here all you are trying to do is ignore the issue.

Would you like to clarify, or am I right that you really don't know shit about this?

Read what has been posted.

You do understand that mental health training is not the same as conflict management right?

We are not writing policy or creating anyhting. You discuss basic principles here.

Or do you?
I don't think you do understand this..... even a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists don't.

I get it now. You know more than anyone, even the experts and to prove this you post on some random message board.

The mental health cases they most often deal with are the ones who have it together enough to go seek help...... that is a totally different animal than the bipolar guy who has been doing meth all day and is now beating the shit out of his roommates girlfriend because she's a loudmouth.

Nobody has argued that they will deal with every single case so it would seem you aren't quite as on the ball as you pretend.

What are you trying to say then?
Because I feel as though I have been pretty clear, whereas you apparently have too much shit in your mouth to clearly state what you want to say.

What is your ******* point?
And if you can't make it, clearly and concisely, then stfu and go sit down somewhere until you can.

 

[Godboy]

Oregon Dem wants to replace cops using unarmed teams funded via Medicaid hike: report

An Oregon Democrat is seeking a hike in Medicaid funding to help finance unarmed response teams that would replace police officers in some instances, according to a report.

www.foxnews.com

Soon this will be position of DNC! Idiots!

The Portland Police are already sooo good at protecting the city; imagine how much better they will be when they dont have those evil guns getting in the way. I think this may be the beginning of world peace.

 

[pknopp]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

An officer properly trained in mental health most certainly could be,

It's less about mental health and more about communication skills.
But part of the problem is that people with good communication skills tend to have a lot less experience with conflict. And that lack of experience, and the lack of confidence that comes with it, is going to be glaringly obvious to people who DO have it.

Totally made up B.S. There are police officers today that are very good at it. The problem is those who are not. The problem is in the way they are trained. There are many officers who have taken the time to talk a situation down. Are you saying they do so because they are failures as a police officer?

On the flip side, people with a lot of experience in violence are often not the best at negotiating a peaceful resolution..... they often default to just using force.

What you want is someone with good communication skills, capable of a high level of violent action, but who really wants to not go there.

But guys like that are actually pretty rare.

Training. If you are unable to cut the training become a drive up window worker.

You don't know much about this kind of thing either, do you?

And yet again, someone who counters me without stating anything they actually disagree with. You do realize that you said nothing, right?

You said it was totally made up BS; that's false.

You said training is the answer but you failed to say what type of training, and on what?

We have stated what kind of training. If you are wanting someone to create a complete policy here all you are trying to do is ignore the issue.

Would you like to clarify, or am I right that you really don't know shit about this?

Read what has been posted.

You do understand that mental health training is not the same as conflict management right?

We are not writing policy or creating anyhting. You discuss basic principles here.

Or do you?
I don't think you do understand this..... even a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists don't.

I get it now. You know more than anyone, even the experts and to prove this you post on some random message board.

The mental health cases they most often deal with are the ones who have it together enough to go seek help...... that is a totally different animal than the bipolar guy who has been doing meth all day and is now beating the shit out of his roommates girlfriend because she's a loudmouth.

Nobody has argued that they will deal with every single case so it would seem you aren't quite as on the ball as you pretend.

What are you trying to say then?
Because I feel as though I have been pretty clear, whereas you apparently have too much shit in your mouth to clearly state what you want to say.

What is your ******* point?
And if you can't make it, clearly and concisely, then stfu and go sit down somewhere until you can.

We have been making it for months.

 

[Godboy]

Oregon Dem wants to replace cops using unarmed teams funded via Medicaid hike: report

An Oregon Democrat is seeking a hike in Medicaid funding to help finance unarmed response teams that would replace police officers in some instances, according to a report.

www.foxnews.com

Soon this will be position of DNC! Idiots!

Do you really need to send two armed officers out to a house that is playing it's music too loud or to break up a domestic argument?

Dummies like you will think so.

Wouldnt it be awesome if that is how the real world worked? If they always knew which calls were the dangerous ones, we would have a lot less deaths. Of course only a complete ******* moron would think that is how it works. Youre really stupid for posting that.

 

[freyasman]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

An officer properly trained in mental health most certainly could be,

It's less about mental health and more about communication skills.
But part of the problem is that people with good communication skills tend to have a lot less experience with conflict. And that lack of experience, and the lack of confidence that comes with it, is going to be glaringly obvious to people who DO have it.

Totally made up B.S. There are police officers today that are very good at it. The problem is those who are not. The problem is in the way they are trained. There are many officers who have taken the time to talk a situation down. Are you saying they do so because they are failures as a police officer?

On the flip side, people with a lot of experience in violence are often not the best at negotiating a peaceful resolution..... they often default to just using force.

What you want is someone with good communication skills, capable of a high level of violent action, but who really wants to not go there.

But guys like that are actually pretty rare.

Training. If you are unable to cut the training become a drive up window worker.

You don't know much about this kind of thing either, do you?

And yet again, someone who counters me without stating anything they actually disagree with. You do realize that you said nothing, right?

You said it was totally made up BS; that's false.

You said training is the answer but you failed to say what type of training, and on what?

We have stated what kind of training. If you are wanting someone to create a complete policy here all you are trying to do is ignore the issue.

Would you like to clarify, or am I right that you really don't know shit about this?

Read what has been posted.

You do understand that mental health training is not the same as conflict management right?

We are not writing policy or creating anyhting. You discuss basic principles here.

Or do you?
I don't think you do understand this..... even a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists don't.

I get it now. You know more than anyone, even the experts and to prove this you post on some random message board.

The mental health cases they most often deal with are the ones who have it together enough to go seek help...... that is a totally different animal than the bipolar guy who has been doing meth all day and is now beating the shit out of his roommates girlfriend because she's a loudmouth.

Nobody has argued that they will deal with every single case so it would seem you aren't quite as on the ball as you pretend.

What are you trying to say then?
Because I feel as though I have been pretty clear, whereas you apparently have too much shit in your mouth to clearly state what you want to say.

What is your ******* point?
And if you can't make it, clearly and concisely, then stfu and go sit down somewhere until you can.

We have been making it for months.

No you haven't.

The only thing you're making is noise.

And you clearly don't understand the scope of the issue, yet you feel you should get a say...… well, that's fine, say what you want. But don't expect anyone who does understand it to take you seriously, or pay the slightest bit of attention to you and your bullshit.

People like you are useless for anything productive, and are nothing but pests.

 

[pknopp]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

An officer properly trained in mental health most certainly could be,

It's less about mental health and more about communication skills.
But part of the problem is that people with good communication skills tend to have a lot less experience with conflict. And that lack of experience, and the lack of confidence that comes with it, is going to be glaringly obvious to people who DO have it.

Totally made up B.S. There are police officers today that are very good at it. The problem is those who are not. The problem is in the way they are trained. There are many officers who have taken the time to talk a situation down. Are you saying they do so because they are failures as a police officer?

On the flip side, people with a lot of experience in violence are often not the best at negotiating a peaceful resolution..... they often default to just using force.

What you want is someone with good communication skills, capable of a high level of violent action, but who really wants to not go there.

But guys like that are actually pretty rare.

Training. If you are unable to cut the training become a drive up window worker.

You don't know much about this kind of thing either, do you?

And yet again, someone who counters me without stating anything they actually disagree with. You do realize that you said nothing, right?

You said it was totally made up BS; that's false.

You said training is the answer but you failed to say what type of training, and on what?

We have stated what kind of training. If you are wanting someone to create a complete policy here all you are trying to do is ignore the issue.

Would you like to clarify, or am I right that you really don't know shit about this?

Read what has been posted.

You do understand that mental health training is not the same as conflict management right?

We are not writing policy or creating anyhting. You discuss basic principles here.

Or do you?
I don't think you do understand this..... even a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists don't.

I get it now. You know more than anyone, even the experts and to prove this you post on some random message board.

The mental health cases they most often deal with are the ones who have it together enough to go seek help...... that is a totally different animal than the bipolar guy who has been doing meth all day and is now beating the shit out of his roommates girlfriend because she's a loudmouth.

Nobody has argued that they will deal with every single case so it would seem you aren't quite as on the ball as you pretend.

What are you trying to say then?
Because I feel as though I have been pretty clear, whereas you apparently have too much shit in your mouth to clearly state what you want to say.

What is your ******* point?
And if you can't make it, clearly and concisely, then stfu and go sit down somewhere until you can.

We have been making it for months.

No you haven't.

The only thing you're making is noise.

And you clearly don't understand the scope of the issue, yet you feel you should get a say...… well, that's fine, say what you want. But don't expect anyone who does understand it to take you seriously, or pay the slightest bit of attention to you and your bullshit.

People like you are useless for anything productive, and are nothing but pests.

It matters none if you take me seriously. Reform is moving forward.

 

[Wyatt earp]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

An officer properly trained in mental health most certainly could be,

It's less about mental health and more about communication skills.
But part of the problem is that people with good communication skills tend to have a lot less experience with conflict. And that lack of experience, and the lack of confidence that comes with it, is going to be glaringly obvious to people who DO have it.

Totally made up B.S. There are police officers today that are very good at it. The problem is those who are not. The problem is in the way they are trained. There are many officers who have taken the time to talk a situation down. Are you saying they do so because they are failures as a police officer?

On the flip side, people with a lot of experience in violence are often not the best at negotiating a peaceful resolution..... they often default to just using force.

What you want is someone with good communication skills, capable of a high level of violent action, but who really wants to not go there.

But guys like that are actually pretty rare.

Training. If you are unable to cut the training become a drive up window worker.

You don't know much about this kind of thing either, do you?

And yet again, someone who counters me without stating anything they actually disagree with. You do realize that you said nothing, right?

You said it was totally made up BS; that's false.

You said training is the answer but you failed to say what type of training, and on what?

We have stated what kind of training. If you are wanting someone to create a complete policy here all you are trying to do is ignore the issue.

Would you like to clarify, or am I right that you really don't know shit about this?

Read what has been posted.

You do understand that mental health training is not the same as conflict management right?

We are not writing policy or creating anyhting. You discuss basic principles here.

Or do you?
I don't think you do understand this..... even a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists don't.

I get it now. You know more than anyone, even the experts and to prove this you post on some random message board.

The mental health cases they most often deal with are the ones who have it together enough to go seek help...... that is a totally different animal than the bipolar guy who has been doing meth all day and is now beating the shit out of his roommates girlfriend because she's a loudmouth.

Nobody has argued that they will deal with every single case so it would seem you aren't quite as on the ball as you pretend.

What are you trying to say then?
Because I feel as though I have been pretty clear, whereas you apparently have too much shit in your mouth to clearly state what you want to say.

What is your ******* point?
And if you can't make it, clearly and concisely, then stfu and go sit down somewhere until you can.

We have been making it for months.

No you haven't.

The only thing you're making is noise.

And you clearly don't understand the scope of the issue, yet you feel you should get a say...… well, that's fine, say what you want. But don't expect anyone who does understand it to take you seriously, or pay the slightest bit of attention to you and your bullshit.

People like you are useless for anything productive, and are nothing but pests.

It matters none if you take me seriously. Reform is moving forward.

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