Democrat Want's to Replace Police With Unarmed Teams. OMFG! Laughable

[pknopp]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

An officer properly trained in mental health most certainly could be,

It's less about mental health and more about communication skills.
But part of the problem is that people with good communication skills tend to have a lot less experience with conflict. And that lack of experience, and the lack of confidence that comes with it, is going to be glaringly obvious to people who DO have it.

Totally made up B.S. There are police officers today that are very good at it. The problem is those who are not. The problem is in the way they are trained. There are many officers who have taken the time to talk a situation down. Are you saying they do so because they are failures as a police officer?

On the flip side, people with a lot of experience in violence are often not the best at negotiating a peaceful resolution..... they often default to just using force.

What you want is someone with good communication skills, capable of a high level of violent action, but who really wants to not go there.

But guys like that are actually pretty rare.

Training. If you are unable to cut the training become a drive up window worker.

 

[Jackson]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

An officer properly trained in mental health most certainly could be,

It's less about mental health and more about communication skills.
But part of the problem is that people with good communication skills tend to have a lot less experience with conflict. And that lack of experience, and the lack of confidence that comes with it, is going to be glaringly obvious to people who DO have it.

On the flip side, people with a lot of experience in violence are often not the best at negotiating a peaceful resolution..... they often default to just using force.

What you want is someone with good communication skills, capable of a high level of violent action, but who really wants to not go there.

But guys like that are actually pretty rare.

Cops are pretty good at negotiating. That is part of their job.

Just face it, we need police officers and now that they are defunding them, we need them even more.

 

[Jackson]

That doesn't happen often.

It shouldn't happen at all.

American cops kill 1000 people a year. British Cops kill maybe 5 in a bad year.

link?

 

[Claudette]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

Truer words were never spoken.

The first time one of these social workers gets beaten stabbed or shot none of them will want to act as police. They will quit and who can blame them. They aren't trained to be police. They are social workers. Probably the most useless folks on the planet.

Police officers are never beat, stabbed or shot? Ever?

Of course they have but they also have partners, training and guns.

Police know how to take care of themselves.

You can bet social workers wouldn't have a clue how to react to someone wants to beat the shit out of them, stab or use a gun on them.

Range time is not the training they need.

Oh they have to qualify on the range every year and believe me they train all the time. Those on the road deal with shit on a daily basis. These guys and gals are always training.

And it ain't on the range.

 

[Crepitus]

Oregon Dem wants to replace cops using unarmed teams funded via Medicaid hike: report

An Oregon Democrat is seeking a hike in Medicaid funding to help finance unarmed response teams that would replace police officers in some instances, according to a report.

www.foxnews.com

Soon this will be position of DNC! Idiots!

Works in Europe and Australia. Why not here?

Perhaps they don't have gang wars.

No one here is suggesting sending unarmed officers into hang wars.

Try again.

Hyperbolic responses is all they can provide. Its almost comical seeing them invent these scenarios.

He's backed himself into a corner.

 

[Likkmee]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

An officer properly trained in mental health most certainly could be,

It's less about mental health and more about communication skills.
But part of the problem is that people with good communication skills tend to have a lot less experience with conflict. And that lack of experience, and the lack of confidence that comes with it, is going to be glaringly obvious to people who DO have it.

Totally made up B.S. There are police officers today that are very good at it. The problem is those who are not. The problem is in the way they are trained. There are many officers who have taken the time to talk a situation down. Are you saying they do so because they are failures as a police officer?

On the flip side, people with a lot of experience in violence are often not the best at negotiating a peaceful resolution..... they often default to just using force.

What you want is someone with good communication skills, capable of a high level of violent action, but who really wants to not go there.

But guys like that are actually pretty rare.

Training. If you are unable to cut the training become a drive up window worker.

Many po-po are former meatheads. They don't know how to do anything but demand and recall their commanders attitudes when the inferiors refuse

 

[Taz]

You know, a social worker with a gun, a badge, and possibly in a blue uniform, and maybe driving in a car that has lights and a siren to get to the scene faster.

 

[Crepitus]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

Truer words were never spoken.

The first time one of these social workers gets beaten stabbed or shot none of them will want to act as police. They will quit and who can blame them. They aren't trained to be police. They are social workers. Probably the most useless folks on the planet.

Police officers are never beat, stabbed or shot? Ever?

Of course they have but they also have partners, training and guns.

Police know how to take care of themselves.

You can bet social workers wouldn't have a clue how to react to someone wants to beat the shit out of them, stab or use a gun on them.

Range time is not the training they need.

Oh they have to qualify on the range every year and believe me they train all the time. Those on the road deal with shit on a daily basis. These guys and gals are always training.

And it ain't on the range.

I know several city cops and a few sheriffs as well. Range time is pretty much all they concentrate on.

 

[Claudette]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

Truer words were never spoken.

The first time one of these social workers gets beaten stabbed or shot none of them will want to act as police. They will quit and who can blame them. They aren't trained to be police. They are social workers. Probably the most useless folks on the planet.

Police officers are never beat, stabbed or shot? Ever?

Of course they have but they also have partners, training and guns.

Police know how to take care of themselves.

You can bet social workers wouldn't have a clue how to react to someone wants to beat the shit out of them, stab or use a gun on them.

Why? You have this silly stereotype in your head. A four year degree can create a complete police officer.

They don't go to college dummy, they go the police academy.

Once out of the academy they can apply at a Sheriffs department or a police department.

Once accepted into a police department they have a FTO, field training officer, who is their training officer.

If they pass the training they become members of the Police department. If they don't, they are gone.

 

[Claudette]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

Truer words were never spoken.

The first time one of these social workers gets beaten stabbed or shot none of them will want to act as police. They will quit and who can blame them. They aren't trained to be police. They are social workers. Probably the most useless folks on the planet.

Police officers are never beat, stabbed or shot? Ever?

Of course they have but they also have partners, training and guns.

Police know how to take care of themselves.

You can bet social workers wouldn't have a clue how to react to someone wants to beat the shit out of them, stab or use a gun on them.

Range time is not the training they need.

Oh they have to qualify on the range every year and believe me they train all the time. Those on the road deal with shit on a daily basis. These guys and gals are always training.

And it ain't on the range.

I know several city cops and a few sheriffs as well. Range time is pretty much all they concentrate on.

Oh you can bet they do because they have to qualify with guns in order to keep their job. You can also bet the range isn't all they concentrate on.

 

[Taz]

I say anyone who talks back to a cop should be shot on the spot.

 

[pknopp]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

Truer words were never spoken.

The first time one of these social workers gets beaten stabbed or shot none of them will want to act as police. They will quit and who can blame them. They aren't trained to be police. They are social workers. Probably the most useless folks on the planet.

Police officers are never beat, stabbed or shot? Ever?

Of course they have but they also have partners, training and guns.

Police know how to take care of themselves.

You can bet social workers wouldn't have a clue how to react to someone wants to beat the shit out of them, stab or use a gun on them.

Why? You have this silly stereotype in your head. A four year degree can create a complete police officer.

They don't go to college dummy, they go the police academy.

Once out of the academy they can apply at a Sheriffs department or a police department.

Once accepted into a police department they have a FTO, field training officer, who is their training officer.

If they pass the training they become members of the Police department. If they don't, they are gone.

I can see I'm wasting my time with you.

 

[Cellblock2429]

/—-/ The mere presence of an armed police officer is enough to calm a situation.

Is it? Frankly, most people are kind of panicked when they see a cop with a gun, given their propesity to murder people for no good reason.

/——/ State the number of people murdered by police for “no good reason.” I’m sure you have a list next to your key board for easy reference.

 

[pknopp]

/—-/ The mere presence of an armed police officer is enough to calm a situation.

Is it? Frankly, most people are kind of panicked when they see a cop with a gun, given their propesity to murder people for no good reason.

/——/ State the number of people murdered by police for “no good reason.” I’m sure you have a list next to your key board for easy reference.

What We Know About the Killing of Elijah McClain

Breonna Taylor was briefly alive after police shot her. But no one tried to treat her

It's also NOT just about being murdered.

'Sick To My Core': Aurora, Colo., Chief Apologizes After Black Family Is Handcuffed.

If the officers in the above scenario are completely unable to follow simple training in a situation like this they have no business being a police officer.

 

[Jackson]

/—-/ The mere presence of an armed police officer is enough to calm a situation.

Is it? Frankly, most people are kind of panicked when they see a cop with a gun, given their propesity to murder people for no good reason.

/——/ State the number of people murdered by police for “no good reason.” I’m sure you have a list next to your key board for easy reference.

What We Know About the Killing of Elijah McClain

Breonna Taylor was briefly alive after police shot her. But no one tried to treat her

It's also NOT just about being murdered.

'Sick To My Core': Aurora, Colo., Chief Apologizes After Black Family Is Handcuffed.

If the officers in the above scenario are completely unable to follow simple training in a situation like this they have no business being a police officer.

I'm counting. So far that is two.

 

[Crepitus]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

Truer words were never spoken.

The first time one of these social workers gets beaten stabbed or shot none of them will want to act as police. They will quit and who can blame them. They aren't trained to be police. They are social workers. Probably the most useless folks on the planet.

Police officers are never beat, stabbed or shot? Ever?

Of course they have but they also have partners, training and guns.

Police know how to take care of themselves.

You can bet social workers wouldn't have a clue how to react to someone wants to beat the shit out of them, stab or use a gun on them.

Range time is not the training they need.

Oh they have to qualify on the range every year and believe me they train all the time. Those on the road deal with shit on a daily basis. These guys and gals are always training.

And it ain't on the range.

I know several city cops and a few sheriffs as well. Range time is pretty much all they concentrate on.

Oh you can bet they do because they have to qualify with guns in order to keep their job. You can also bet the range isn't all they concentrate on.

You can bet all you want. I talking about my personal experience.

 

[pknopp]

/—-/ The mere presence of an armed police officer is enough to calm a situation.

Is it? Frankly, most people are kind of panicked when they see a cop with a gun, given their propesity to murder people for no good reason.

/——/ State the number of people murdered by police for “no good reason.” I’m sure you have a list next to your key board for easy reference.

What We Know About the Killing of Elijah McClain

Breonna Taylor was briefly alive after police shot her. But no one tried to treat her

It's also NOT just about being murdered.

'Sick To My Core': Aurora, Colo., Chief Apologizes After Black Family Is Handcuffed.

If the officers in the above scenario are completely unable to follow simple training in a situation like this they have no business being a police officer.

I'm counting. So far that is two.

One is too many. How many do you need before it becomes unacceptable?

 

[freyasman]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

An officer properly trained in mental health most certainly could be,

It's less about mental health and more about communication skills.
But part of the problem is that people with good communication skills tend to have a lot less experience with conflict. And that lack of experience, and the lack of confidence that comes with it, is going to be glaringly obvious to people who DO have it.

Totally made up B.S. There are police officers today that are very good at it. The problem is those who are not. The problem is in the way they are trained. There are many officers who have taken the time to talk a situation down. Are you saying they do so because they are failures as a police officer?

On the flip side, people with a lot of experience in violence are often not the best at negotiating a peaceful resolution..... they often default to just using force.

What you want is someone with good communication skills, capable of a high level of violent action, but who really wants to not go there.

But guys like that are actually pretty rare.

Training. If you are unable to cut the training become a drive up window worker.

You don't know much about this kind of thing either, do you?

 

[JoeB131]

/——/ State the number of people murdered by police for “no good reason.” I’m sure you have a list next to your key board for easy reference.

Cops kill 1000 people a year in this country. Most of these are not independently reviewed. So we can say anywhere from 1 - 1000 a year.

British cops kill 5 people a year.

Someone is doing it wrong.

 

[pknopp]

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.

It's not going to happen, our country is way to big

It's already starting.

Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.

I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.

I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work

Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.

An officer properly trained in mental health most certainly could be,

It's less about mental health and more about communication skills.
But part of the problem is that people with good communication skills tend to have a lot less experience with conflict. And that lack of experience, and the lack of confidence that comes with it, is going to be glaringly obvious to people who DO have it.

Totally made up B.S. There are police officers today that are very good at it. The problem is those who are not. The problem is in the way they are trained. There are many officers who have taken the time to talk a situation down. Are you saying they do so because they are failures as a police officer?

On the flip side, people with a lot of experience in violence are often not the best at negotiating a peaceful resolution..... they often default to just using force.

What you want is someone with good communication skills, capable of a high level of violent action, but who really wants to not go there.

But guys like that are actually pretty rare.

Training. If you are unable to cut the training become a drive up window worker.

You don't know much about this kind of thing either, do you?

And yet again, someone who counters me without stating anything they actually disagree with. You do realize that you said nothing, right?