pknopp
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No you haven't.What are you trying to say then?You do understand that mental health training is not the same as conflict management right?You said it was totally made up BS; that's false.You don't know much about this kind of thing either, do you?It's less about mental health and more about communication skills.It's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.
It's not going to happen, our country is way to big
It's already starting.
Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.
I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.
I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually workIt's going to happen. We are going to change the way we operate our police forces. We are behind other first world countries in this regard already.
It's not going to happen, our country is way to big
It's already starting.
Again, NPR did a story on this. I think it was in Georgia. The program of sending out social workers is having mixed results. I'll look for a link to the story.
I have no doubt that initially there will be mixed results. It will take time to find the proper levels and the way to do this.
I wonder why conservatives argue against having the police actually enforcing laws instead of being social workers which is what they are when they are breaking up a husband and wife arguing. I think it's just a reflexive hatred of anything that may actually work
Because, it's not like TV. Even if everyone is calm when you arrive. A statement has to be taken from both parties. If any criminal activity is alleged, assault, a push and shove, broken property, then only police have the power to effect an arrest and bring charges. There are typically criminal charges in 75% of domestics these days. Even if there is no criminal charge, police may apply for a restraint order. Social workers are not empowered to do these things.
An officer properly trained in mental health most certainly could be,
But part of the problem is that people with good communication skills tend to have a lot less experience with conflict. And that lack of experience, and the lack of confidence that comes with it, is going to be glaringly obvious to people who DO have it.
Totally made up B.S. There are police officers today that are very good at it. The problem is those who are not. The problem is in the way they are trained. There are many officers who have taken the time to talk a situation down. Are you saying they do so because they are failures as a police officer?
On the flip side, people with a lot of experience in violence are often not the best at negotiating a peaceful resolution..... they often default to just using force.
What you want is someone with good communication skills, capable of a high level of violent action, but who really wants to not go there.
But guys like that are actually pretty rare.
Training. If you are unable to cut the training become a drive up window worker.
And yet again, someone who counters me without stating anything they actually disagree with. You do realize that you said nothing, right?
You said training is the answer but you failed to say what type of training, and on what?
We have stated what kind of training. If you are wanting someone to create a complete policy here all you are trying to do is ignore the issue.
Would you like to clarify, or am I right that you really don't know shit about this?
Read what has been posted.
We are not writing policy or creating anyhting. You discuss basic principles here.
Or do you?
I don't think you do understand this..... even a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists don't.
I get it now. You know more than anyone, even the experts and to prove this you post on some random message board.
The mental health cases they most often deal with are the ones who have it together enough to go seek help...... that is a totally different animal than the bipolar guy who has been doing meth all day and is now beating the shit out of his roommates girlfriend because she's a loudmouth.
Nobody has argued that they will deal with every single case so it would seem you aren't quite as on the ball as you pretend.
Because I feel as though I have been pretty clear, whereas you apparently have too much shit in your mouth to clearly state what you want to say.
What is your fucking point?
And if you can't make it, clearly and concisely, then stfu and go sit down somewhere until you can.
We have been making it for months.
The only thing you're making is noise.
And you clearly don't understand the scope of the issue, yet you feel you should get a say...… well, that's fine, say what you want. But don't expect anyone who does understand it to take you seriously, or pay the slightest bit of attention to you and your bullshit.
People like you are useless for anything productive, and are nothing but pests.
It matters none if you take me seriously. Reform is moving forward.
65 million people say no
Millions said no to integrated schools also.