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[Toddsterpatriot]

So you want to do away with child labor laws.

I do? Link?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Could never happen without resorting to something akin to the Holocaust.

Operation Wetback wasn't like the Holocaust.

 

[Lesh]

Operation Wetback wasn't like the Holocaust.

It didn't deport 10 million people and it was pretty bad anyway

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Operation Wetback wasn't like the Holocaust.

It didn't deport 10 million people and it was pretty bad anyway

Any specifics?

 

[Lesh]

Our economy hasn't needed child labor since the 30s.

It never "needed" them.

Plenty of families needed the income.

I do? Link?

You just defended that practice by saying that families needed the income.

When someone like you argues for the sake of winning an argument they tend to trip over their own words

 

[Lesh]

Operation Wetback wasn't like the Holocaust.

It didn't deport 10 million people and it was pretty bad anyway

Any specifics?

It was a failure or a number of reasons

Operation Wetback - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You just defended that practice by saying that families needed the income.

Yes, back in the 1800s, lots of families needed their kids to work.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Operation Wetback wasn't like the Holocaust.

It didn't deport 10 million people and it was pretty bad anyway

Any specifics?

It was a failure or a number of reasons

Operation Wetback - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Failure? Is that better or worse than the Holocaust?

 

[Slade3200]

You just defended that practice by saying that families needed the income.

Yes, back in the 1800s, lots of families needed their kids to work.

Ok so why change it and make a law restricting child labor?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You just defended that practice by saying that families needed the income.

Yes, back in the 1800s, lots of families needed their kids to work.

Ok so why change it and make a law restricting child labor?

Why?

 

[Slade3200]

You just defended that practice by saying that families needed the income.

Yes, back in the 1800s, lots of families needed their kids to work.

Ok so why change it and make a law restricting child labor?

Why?

Because I’m curious about your thoughts on the subject

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You just defended that practice by saying that families needed the income.

Yes, back in the 1800s, lots of families needed their kids to work.

Ok so why change it and make a law restricting child labor?

Why?

Because I’m curious about your thoughts on the subject

Why did they change it and make a law restricting child labor?

 

[Slade3200]

You just defended that practice by saying that families needed the income.

Yes, back in the 1800s, lots of families needed their kids to work.

Ok so why change it and make a law restricting child labor?

Why?

Because I’m curious about your thoughts on the subject

Why did they change it and make a law restricting child labor?

For the same reason some now what to change the min wage... because of “feelings” as you so eloquently put it.

 

[Lesh]

You just defended that practice by saying that families needed the income.

Yes, back in the 1800s, lots of families needed their kids to work.

Why no longer?

 

[Andylusion]

That’s a good thing especially when wages have a floor of $7.25 an hour.

Not good for workers who aren't worth the higher wage.

Make anybody do anything for you for 8 hours a day 5 days a week and they are worth more than $7.25. You don’t seem to place much value on other peoples time. Too bad

You can't "make" anybody do anything.

This isn't socialism. This is capitalism. If I refuse to work, how are you going to "make me" do work for you?

Second, if their time is worth more.... then they should be able to find a job that pays more for their time.

If you are saying that your time is worth more money than you are earning, then you should be able to prove that, by getting a job that pays more for your time.

If you can't...... then again, by definition, your time isn't worth more.

I’m sure some assholes don’t value other peoples time at all and would pay them $1 an hour if they could. I’m sure there are people poor and desperate enough to work under subpar conditions. This is why regulations get made... because assholes take advantage. If our businesses were responsible and respectful then we wouldn’t need to regulate. If businesses paid low wage earners livable wages then there wouldn’t be a problem with the min wage requirement going up

That assumes that you know what is best for people, whose lives you know nothing about.

And the truth is, that some people time is not worth that much, no matter what you think. You are just wrong.

I remember we had a guy who was mentally handicapped. He barely did much of anything. But what little he did was worth the minimum wage we paid.

If you think you are going to have people paid $15/hour, when they are barely producing $7 worth of value per hour... no. He will just not be employed.

And for everyone else... again businesses are NOT going to pay a livable wage because you say they should, or because you make a law that they should.

Again, back to the lawn mowing example. I can't pay you $30 for your labor, if the customer isn't willing to pay $30 for your labor.

You can whine about how businesses ought to, and how government should regulate all you want. That doesn't change the fact that the math doesn't add up.

If you pass that law, then those people will just be unemployed. If you pass a law that I must pay you $30 for your labor, and the customer isn't willing to pay me more than $30 for the service...... then I lay you off. And you are unemployed, and now your wage is zero.

How are you better off earning zero?

 

[Andylusion]

If you think somebody’s time is worth less than $7.25 an hour in this country then you have a lack of respect for other peoples time.

Respect has zero to do with it.
Some people aren't productive enough to deserve a $7.25 wage.

The requirement for them to be working validates more than $7.25. Their time validates it. If the business owner can’t structure a business to utilize their workforce and make a profit then that’s on them

The requirement for them to be working validates more than $7.25.

40 hours of minimally productive work doesn't magically become worth more than $7.25.
Validates...LOL!

If the business owner can’t structure a business to utilize their workforce and make a profit then that’s on them

Exactly. Which is why paying a guy barely worth $7.25 twice that will never happen.

Yes it does, should be more than $7.25

Because of your feelings?

Because of my sense of right and wrong. If you can’t pay somebody enough to make a living and you are requiring them to spend all their time working for you then you are taking advantage of them. It’s pretty simple

Your sense of right and wrong, is immoral.

The irony is, if it was your business, and you were forced out of business because of these minimum wage laws... you would have a different sense of right and wrong, than you do now.

It's easy to have a fake morality, when it doesn't cause you to lose anything.

 

[Andylusion]

It never "needed" them.

Plenty of families needed the income.

So you want to do away with child labor laws. Color me shocked

I actually knew lots of kids that hated the fact they could not work, because of fake do-gooders that forced them to stay poor, in the name of their virtue signalling. I remember many kids in high school irritated with dumb do-gooder laws.

I was one of them actually. Nothing more unsurprising than a left-winger make sure they can force people to stay poor by any means possible.

 

[Andylusion]

You just defended that practice by saying that families needed the income.

Yes, back in the 1800s, lots of families needed their kids to work.

Ok so why change it and make a law restricting child labor?

Why?

Because I’m curious about your thoughts on the subject

Why did they change it and make a law restricting child labor?

For the same reason some now what to change the min wage... because of “feelings” as you so eloquently put it.

To keep people poor. If you teach kids to work, they end up rich.
Warren Buffet was buying stock, and working a paper route, and making money by age 10.

Left-wingers hate successful people, and the best way to keep the under class poor and impoverished, is to prevent them from working as much as possible.

Left-wingers were gleeful about the lock downs and destroying people's businesses and lives in 2020. They were giddy with happiness.

Newsome was screaming that we had to lock down, and ban indoor gatherings, and of course that didn't phase him going to an elite exclusive restaurant to meet up with his own friends.

Left-wingers LOVE making people poor. Taxing away their income, and then giving pennies back, and demanding we pretend they saved us, while they made us poor.

They banned the poor from working their jobs, but declared their left-wing Hollywood elites as being essential services.

That's the reason. It's that simple. Left-winger love making people poor. That's why they regulate as much as they can, to benefit the wealthy, and keep the poor impoverished.

 

[Lesh]

To keep people poor. If you teach kids to work, they end up rich.

What a crock. That's all you need to be rich?

You're that simplistic?


The rest of your screed is no better

 

[Andylusion]

To keep people poor. If you teach kids to work, they end up rich.

What a crock. That's all you need to be rich?

You're that simplistic?


The rest of your screed is no better

Everything in a discussion is some form of simplification. If we talked about every single aspect of life, it would be a thousand pages long, or more.

That said, I do agree that working hard alone, by itself, is not quite enough to end up "rich". Depending on how you define a subjective term like rich.

I would say that if you make $32,000 a year, that places you in the top 1% of wage earners world wide. The vast majority of people in the USA, are Rich.

All of the people who whiny and cry about the 'rich' are they themselves spoiled brat rich kids.

However, all that said, working at an early age, is the one of the most critical aspects of becoming wealthy.

When you read the daily lives of the top CEOs in the world today, most of them are working constantly. Mark Zuckerberg was answering emails before breakfast, and answering more emails long into the night.

Now let me ask you.... do people go from barely working at all, to putting in 80 hours a week working? I have to tell you, it might happen, but extremely rarely. Generally people who work hard, start off by being taught to work hard most of their life.

You don't flip burgers at McDonald's, and play video games most of your life, and then suddenly start spending 80 a hours a week at the office, and working when you are at home.

Learning to work at a young age, is critical to success.