Democrat pundits on USMB: Answer this conundrum you’re in for me please

[Mr. Friscus]

Review:
1. The Obama/Democrat DOJ and Congress opens up tons of investigations on Trump, having many ready day one of Trumps presidency in 2016.
2. Throughout Trumps presidency there are investigations on him, conservatives, etc.
3. Biden is elected in 2024
4. Biden/Garland/Democrats continually open tons of investigations on Trump throughout 2020-2024.
5. Trump/Republicans/Conservatives see this and accuse the DOJ and local courts of being weaponized to dig for crimes.
6. Biden, Harris, Democrats, and the MSM preach that “no one is above the law”, and questioning the investigation or court processes is against Democracy, and there are no political prosecutions under the DOJ.
7. Biden pardons his son because he says the crimes found against Hunter were political prosecutions, and puts his son above the law.
8. Biden looks to make preemptive pardons for major Democrat figures to protect them from investigations in the future…

There’s many impasses here.

1. If the DOJ and justice system cannot be weaponized, why was it supposedly done so against Hunter? (As Joe and the Democrats said)

2. If no one is above the law, why was Hunter made so, and why are people being supported to be preemptively pardoned when they’ve committed no crimes?

Why is it necessary to make these preemptive pardons when these Democrats havent done anything wrong?

Why is it wrong and ”abusive” for a non-Democrat DOJ to investigate Democrats, but it’s righteous, just, honest, and pro-Democracy for a Democrat DOJ to continually investigate Trump and/or Republicans?

This makes no sense. It’s either the justice system can be weaponized or it can’t. You can’t say both.

 

[jwoodie]

"Democrat pundit" is an oxymoron. The only thing they are expert at is repeating propaganda points.

 

[Votto]

Review:
1. The Obama/Democrat DOJ and Congress opens up tons of investigations on Trump, having many ready day one of Trumps presidency in 2016.
2. Throughout Trumps presidency there are investigations on him, conservatives, etc.
3. Biden is elected in 2024
4. Biden/Garland/Democrats continually open tons of investigations on Trump throughout 2020-2024.
5. Trump/Republicans/Conservatives see this and accuse the DOJ and local courts of being weaponized to dig for crimes.
6. Biden, Harris, Democrats, and the MSM preach that “no one is above the law”, and questioning the investigation or court processes is against Democracy, and there are no political prosecutions under the DOJ.
7. Biden pardons his son because he says the crimes found against Hunter were political prosecutions, and puts his son above the law.
8. Biden looks to make preemptive pardons for major Democrat figures to protect them from investigations in the future…

There’s many impasses here.

1. If the DOJ and justice system cannot be weaponized, why was it supposedly done so against Hunter? (As Joe and the Democrats said)

2. If no one is above the law, why was Hunter made so, and why are people being supported to be preemptively pardoned when they’ve committed no crimes?

Why is it necessary to make these preemptive pardons when these Democrats havent done anything wrong?

Why is it wrong and ”abusive” for a non-Democrat DOJ to investigate Democrats, but it’s righteous, just, honest, and pro-Democracy for a Democrat DOJ to continually investigate Trump and/or Republicans?

This makes no sense. It’s either the justice system can be weaponized or it can’t. You can’t say both.

To pardon someone for crimes yet discovered is just sick as Joe did with his son.

There is no excuse for such an abuse of power.

It is unprecedented.

 

[Care4all]

Congress investigating IS NOT the DOJ investigating using their power or lawfare.

The DOJ had/has only two investigations and cases brought with grand jury indictments in the 4 years of Biden, on Trump....both of which are justified by Trump's alleged criminal actions, of which no president before trump had done.....

 

[toobfreak]

Answer this conundrum you’re in for me​

I assume the point of this thread was just to rub it in, as you cannot seriously think any of the "democrat pundits" on this forum would ever actually stand up and DEFEND their positions with facts and logical arguments?!

I mean, at best, if you are lucky, a few might log in just to call you a brainwashed garbage lemming lead around by your orange Cheetos con-man savior.

And believe me, they think that is an erudite argument that fully justified their position!

 

[Oddball]

Review:
1. The Obama/Democrat DOJ and Congress opens up tons of investigations on Trump, having many ready day one of Trumps presidency in 2016.
2. Throughout Trumps presidency there are investigations on him, conservatives, etc.
3. Biden is elected in 2024
4. Biden/Garland/Democrats continually open tons of investigations on Trump throughout 2020-2024.
5. Trump/Republicans/Conservatives see this and accuse the DOJ and local courts of being weaponized to dig for crimes.
6. Biden, Harris, Democrats, and the MSM preach that “no one is above the law”, and questioning the investigation or court processes is against Democracy, and there are no political prosecutions under the DOJ.
7. Biden pardons his son because he says the crimes found against Hunter were political prosecutions, and puts his son above the law.
8. Biden looks to make preemptive pardons for major Democrat figures to protect them from investigations in the future…

There’s many impasses here.

1. If the DOJ and justice system cannot be weaponized, why was it supposedly done so against Hunter? (As Joe and the Democrats said)

2. If no one is above the law, why was Hunter made so, and why are people being supported to be preemptively pardoned when they’ve committed no crimes?

Why is it necessary to make these preemptive pardons when these Democrats havent done anything wrong?

Why is it wrong and ”abusive” for a non-Democrat DOJ to investigate Democrats, but it’s righteous, just, honest, and pro-Democracy for a Democrat DOJ to continually investigate Trump and/or Republicans?

This makes no sense. It’s either the justice system can be weaponized or it can’t. You can’t say both.

Because you're a racist!

 

[cnm]

To pardon someone for crimes yet discovered is just sick as Joe did with his son.

Ford did that for Nixon. Oh right, that doesn't count. We all know why.

Pardon of Richard Nixon​

1974 proclamation by U.S. President Gerald Ford​

The pardon of Richard Nixon was a presidential proclamation issued by President of the United States Gerald Ford on September 8, 1974, granting a full and unconditional pardon to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president. In particular, the pardon covered Nixon's actions during the Watergate scandal. Wikipedia​

 

[cnm]

1. If the DOJ and justice system cannot be weaponized, why was it supposedly done so against Hunter?

Where is the inability of the justice system to be weaponised given in your farcical opening screed?

 

[alang1216]

Review:
1. The Obama/Democrat DOJ and Congress opens up tons of investigations on Trump, having many ready day one of Trumps presidency in 2016.
2. Throughout Trumps presidency there are investigations on him, conservatives, etc.
3. Biden is elected in 2024
4. Biden/Garland/Democrats continually open tons of investigations on Trump throughout 2020-2024.
5. Trump/Republicans/Conservatives see this and accuse the DOJ and local courts of being weaponized to dig for crimes.
6. Biden, Harris, Democrats, and the MSM preach that “no one is above the law”, and questioning the investigation or court processes is against Democracy, and there are no political prosecutions under the DOJ.
7. Biden pardons his son because he says the crimes found against Hunter were political prosecutions, and puts his son above the law.
8. Biden looks to make preemptive pardons for major Democrat figures to protect them from investigations in the future…

There’s many impasses here.

1. If the DOJ and justice system cannot be weaponized, why was it supposedly done so against Hunter? (As Joe and the Democrats said)

2. If no one is above the law, why was Hunter made so, and why are people being supported to be preemptively pardoned when they’ve committed no crimes?

Why is it necessary to make these preemptive pardons when these Democrats havent done anything wrong?

Why is it wrong and ”abusive” for a non-Democrat DOJ to investigate Democrats, but it’s righteous, just, honest, and pro-Democracy for a Democrat DOJ to continually investigate Trump and/or Republicans?

This makes no sense. It’s either the justice system can be weaponized or it can’t. You can’t say both.

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Justice, Truth, and the American Way said that Trump should resign.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Ford did that for Nixon. Oh right, that doesn't count. We all know why.

Pardon of Richard Nixon​

1974 proclamation by U.S. President Gerald Ford​

The pardon of Richard Nixon was a presidential proclamation issued by President of the United States Gerald Ford on September 8, 1974, granting a full and unconditional pardon to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president. In particular, the pardon covered Nixon's actions during the Watergate scandal. Wikipedia​

I wasn't even born then. but at least there was a crime he was pardoned for. I don't back massive pardons, but there's a lot of uncertainty around Watergate that surface-level Democrats don't like to talk about, I'm not sure how their proclamations would hold up. given all the evidence and information.

I'm against all preemptive pardons, no matter which party. So your example means nothing.

The issue here is that people are suggesting to being pardoned who have committed no crime. If they've committed no crime, why pardon them? Can you answer that?

It's the "A Few Good Men" Logic. I'll paraphrase:

"If you ordered that private Santiago (who was killed via Code Red) wasn't to be touched, and your orders are always followed (or people die), then why did you order the transfer off the base? Why would his life be in danger?

Likewise:

"If Democrats committed no crimes, and the DOJ is always honorable and never performs political agendas... why would you order a preemptive pardon? Why would it be necessary?"

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Trump will order a butt full of pardons, including preventive ones.

 

[Dragonlady]

Review:
1. The Obama/Democrat DOJ and Congress opens up tons of investigations on Trump, having many ready day one of Trumps presidency in 2016.
2. Throughout Trumps presidency there are investigations on him, conservatives, etc.
3. Biden is elected in 2024
4. Biden/Garland/Democrats continually open tons of investigations on Trump throughout 2020-2024.
5. Trump/Republicans/Conservatives see this and accuse the DOJ and local courts of being weaponized to dig for crimes.
6. Biden, Harris, Democrats, and the MSM preach that “no one is above the law”, and questioning the investigation or court processes is against Democracy, and there are no political prosecutions under the DOJ.
7. Biden pardons his son because he says the crimes found against Hunter were political prosecutions, and puts his son above the law.
8. Biden looks to make preemptive pardons for major Democrat figures to protect them from investigations in the future…

There’s many impasses here.

1. If the DOJ and justice system cannot be weaponized, why was it supposedly done so against Hunter? (As Joe and the Democrats said)

2. If no one is above the law, why was Hunter made so, and why are people being supported to be preemptively pardoned when they’ve committed no crimes?

Why is it necessary to make these preemptive pardons when these Democrats havent done anything wrong?

Why is it wrong and ”abusive” for a non-Democrat DOJ to investigate Democrats, but it’s righteous, just, honest, and pro-Democracy for a Democrat DOJ to continually investigate Trump and/or Republicans?

This makes no sense. It’s either the justice system can be weaponized or it can’t. You can’t say both.

1. Ask Donald Trump. Trump is the guy who started he investigation.

2. No no preemptive lardons have been given to this point. But last time Trump spent his entire administration trying to prosecute his enemies. Andrew McCabe being a case in point.

McCabe did nothing illegal but ensured years long investigations, legal fees and 3 grand jury attempts to prosecute him.

Jim Comey endured years of tax audits.

The Durham Investigation went after all of the Democrats and came up with nothing. 35 years of Clinton investigations and not a single was found.

Republicans have been in a frenzy to take down Democrats since Nixon and the Reagan had scandal filled administrations.

Clinton was hounded his entire administration.

 

[toobfreak]

To pardon someone for crimes yet discovered is just sick as Joe did with his son.
There is no excuse for such an abuse of power.
It is unprecedented.

The real crime is that it would then allow any administration to behave totally lawlessly however they wanted while in office then get a pardon on the way out getting a free pass for their crimes.

Biden is setting the stage for a true political police state with impunity.

Hunter Biden can now in effect be discovered to have been a serial murderer this past decade committing treason against the USA and he is already pardoned for it.

 

[Dragonlady]

The real crime is that it would then allow any administration to behave totally lawlessly however they wanted while in office then get a pardon on the way out getting a free pass for their crimes.

Biden is setting the stage for a true political police state with impunity.

Hunter Biden can now in effect be discovered to have been a serial murderer this past decade committing treason against the USA and he is already pardoned for it.

You mean like Trump did in the closing days of his administration pardoning Flynn, Stone, Bannon, his Jared’s father, and others who helped him with January 6th?????

 

[Foxfyre]

Review:
1. The Obama/Democrat DOJ and Congress opens up tons of investigations on Trump, having many ready day one of Trumps presidency in 2016.
2. Throughout Trumps presidency there are investigations on him, conservatives, etc.
3. Biden is elected in 2024
4. Biden/Garland/Democrats continually open tons of investigations on Trump throughout 2020-2024.
5. Trump/Republicans/Conservatives see this and accuse the DOJ and local courts of being weaponized to dig for crimes.
6. Biden, Harris, Democrats, and the MSM preach that “no one is above the law”, and questioning the investigation or court processes is against Democracy, and there are no political prosecutions under the DOJ.
7. Biden pardons his son because he says the crimes found against Hunter were political prosecutions, and puts his son above the law.
8. Biden looks to make preemptive pardons for major Democrat figures to protect them from investigations in the future…

There’s many impasses here.

1. If the DOJ and justice system cannot be weaponized, why was it supposedly done so against Hunter? (As Joe and the Democrats said)

2. If no one is above the law, why was Hunter made so, and why are people being supported to be preemptively pardoned when they’ve committed no crimes?

Why is it necessary to make these preemptive pardons when these Democrats havent done anything wrong?

Why is it wrong and ”abusive” for a non-Democrat DOJ to investigate Democrats, but it’s righteous, just, honest, and pro-Democracy for a Democrat DOJ to continually investigate Trump and/or Republicans?

This makes no sense. It’s either the justice system can be weaponized or it can’t. You can’t say both.

Brilliant. I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

lawfare is practiced by both parties

 

[Dogmaphobe]

We are at war with Eurasia and the proles believe we have always been at war with Eurasia.

A week ago, we were at war with East Asia, and all the same proles insisted we had always been at war with East Asia.

Today's Democrats are nothing but supplicants to the power structure.

 

[toobfreak]

You mean like Trump did in the closing days of his administration pardoning Flynn, Stone, Bannon, his Jared’s father, and others who helped him with January 6th?????

Which one of them were serial murderers or family? None of those people were guilty of anything but petty political witch hunts. I'm embarrassed for you to even compare Steve Bannon with a guy who sold children into prison camps for profit driving them to suicide or a doctor who watered down chemo treatments for cancer patients! Wow.

 

[Coyote]

Review:
1. The Obama/Democrat DOJ and Congress opens up tons of investigations on Trump, having many ready day one of Trumps presidency in 2016.

What “tons” of investigations?

The only ones I can think of was the one on Russian interference and there were solid grounds for concern there. Trump made it worse for himself by lying, if he had quietly cooperated (as Biden did when they investigated retained documents) it would have been over and done with pretty quickly.

The only other ones I can think of were:

Retaining and refusing to return classified material after leaving the presidency, storing them in an insecure manner, lying and conspiring to keep them. Call me old fashioned but that is a serious breech of protocol and law for a former president and refusing to return them and conspiring to hide them imply intent and shift from simply breaking a rule to criminal acts.

January 6th. No more needs to be said there that was very serious and could not be ignored.

We’re there other DoJ ones?

2. Throughout Trumps presidency there are investigations on him, conservatives, etc.

Kind of like Obama’s presidency eh? And Trump using his office to go after his “enemies”? Trying to get he IRS to audit them? This wasn’t low level people doing something, this was Trump directly.

3. Biden is elected in 2024

What?

4. Biden/Garland/Democrats continually open tons of investigations on Trump throughout 2020-2024.

As shown above, there weren’t tons of investigations coming from Biden/Garland. What Congress did…well is that any worse than what Republican Congresses have done? How about applying the same standard?

5. Trump/Republicans/Conservatives see this and accuse the DOJ and local courts of being weaponized to dig for crimes.

Trump weaponized his DoJ AND his position as president to go after “enemies”, critics, whistle blowers, election workers, people who don’t have the power or resources to fight back. Do not go on about weaponized positions when you actively supported that.

6. Biden, Harris, Democrats, and the MSM preach that “no one is above the law”, and questioning the investigation or court processes is against Democracy, and there are no political prosecutions under the DOJ.

That is a bit untrue since no one was investigated, charged or indicted for “questioning election results” so stop lying.

7. Biden pardons his son because he says the crimes found against Hunter were political prosecutions, and puts his son above the law.

I found the pardon problematic and wish he had not, but I understand the reasons given the Republican’s promise to continue to go politically after Hunter Biden. That belongs under law enforcement, not political persecution, Hunter is not a political figure.

8. Biden looks to make preemptive pardons for major Democrat figures to protect them from investigations in the future…

Understandable given the promise of personal vengeance in absence of actual wrong doing.

There’s many impasses here.

1. If the DOJ and justice system cannot be weaponized, why was it supposedly done so against Hunter? (As Joe and the Democrats said)

Why was it weaponized under Trump?

2. If no one is above the law, why was Hunter made so, and why are people being supported to be preemptively pardoned when they’ve committed no crimes?

Why is Trump above the law?

Why is it necessary to make these preemptive pardons when these Democrats havent done anything wrong?

Because it is a difficult time when you have the most powerful person promising vengeance against people who were doing their job and nothing illegal. Essentially Trump is ensuring that anyone who speaks up, crosses him, or displeases him is subject to his retaliation. A bit like the McCarthy era. That is pretty chilling for democracy. If you truely think Dems acted this way then how can you justify it going forward?

Why is it wrong and ”abusive” for a non-Democrat DOJ to investigate Democrats, but it’s righteous, just, honest, and pro-Democracy for a Democrat DOJ to continually investigate Trump and/or Republicans?

Because that is a fallacious claim. The only reason for these supposed investigations is they are on Trump’s “enemy list”. It is pretty obvious, Trump himself has openly said that. You need to listen to your guy.

This makes no sense. It’s either the justice system can be weaponized or it can’t. You can’t say both.

The only thing that makes no sense is that you completely miss your own weaponization of both the Presidency and the DoJ under Trump and then whine about “unfairness”.