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Democrat policies and their war on the police has increased crime in the U.S.

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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

Last year, the United States tallied more than 20,000 murders — the highest total since 1995 and 4,000 more than in 2019. Preliminary FBI data for 2020 points to a 25% surge in murders — the largest single year increase since the agency began publishing uniform data in 1960.

Policing is to blame, or rather the lack of it.

In the wake of the May and June unrest,
public officials’ decisions and growing hostility toward policing left law enforcement demoralized, debilitated and, in some cases, defunded. Even the most dedicated officers who now face a greater risk of being sued, fired or prosecuted for doing their job feel pressure to pull back.

The message from a new wave of progressive prosecutors is clear: making arrests for drug and weapons crimes that will go unprosecuted exposes officers to the risk of disciplinary action, lawsuits and criminal prosecution. To mitigate that risk, police take a more passive approach.


Data shows a precipitous decline in law enforcement activity from last June through this February. We found that across the 10 major cities we studied, deadly violence rose as engaged policing fell. Cities that cut (or threaten to) police budgets often saw the largest drops in active policing and the increases in homicide.



What are the stats?

After the George Floyd protests started in New York City, the New York Police Department logged 45,000 fewer arrests from June to December — a 38% decline while the Big Apple added more than 100 additional homicides (a 58% increase).

From June through the end of this February, Chicago’s police made 31,000 fewer arrests — a 53% decline as murders rose 65%. In Louisville, where massive unrest included the shooting of two police officers during a protest, homicides jumped 87% as the police made 35% fewer vehicle stops since June while arrests plummeted 42% during summer months compared with 2019.

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Already bloody St. Louis hit a 50-year homicide high, a rate of 87 per 100,000 residents — a rate three times higher than Mexico and Central America. As Milwaukee announced slashing 120 officers from its police force, the city saw a 98% increase in killings
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In 2015, when an ACLU lawsuit reduced Chicago police’s ability to make stops and searches, Windy City killings jumped 58% as street stops fell 82% in 2016, according to University of Utah research.

Similarly, Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby’s 2015 weak case against the cops in the Freddie Gray incident (all charges were later dropped or ended in acquittal), and her hostility toward the cases police sent to her office, demoralized officers and deterred proactive policing.
The thread premise is a lie.
Yes. Of any developed nation, we have far more homicides than anyone else because we have more guns than anyone else. And republicans are fine with that.
Democrats are the ones who are doing the vast majority of the murdering. The black portion of your party is responsible for more than half of all murders. That doesnt even include the white collection of violent weirdos that your party is responsible for. I half to imagine that 80% of all murders are left wingers.
Meanwhile back in reality, the fact is that we have far more murders than any other developed nation....and the GOP is just fine with it. Nobody really can articulate why.


I just articulated why....you idiot. The democrat party releases known, repeat, violent gun offenders over and over again...it is these criminals who create our gun crime in democrat party controlled cities...

Then, the democrat party war against the police keeps the police in their squad cars, responding to only the most extreme calls, rather than breaking up criminals before they murder people.....

that's why.....

You don't care about the truth, you just want to ban guns by taking them away from people who don't commit any crime...

That is why you are a moron.

No one commits a crime, until they do.


Actually, this is not accurate, and it is intended to lie about murder and who commits murder....

The Criminology of Firearms

In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies.

Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
 

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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

Last year, the United States tallied more than 20,000 murders — the highest total since 1995 and 4,000 more than in 2019. Preliminary FBI data for 2020 points to a 25% surge in murders — the largest single year increase since the agency began publishing uniform data in 1960.

Policing is to blame, or rather the lack of it.

In the wake of the May and June unrest,
public officials’ decisions and growing hostility toward policing left law enforcement demoralized, debilitated and, in some cases, defunded. Even the most dedicated officers who now face a greater risk of being sued, fired or prosecuted for doing their job feel pressure to pull back.

The message from a new wave of progressive prosecutors is clear: making arrests for drug and weapons crimes that will go unprosecuted exposes officers to the risk of disciplinary action, lawsuits and criminal prosecution. To mitigate that risk, police take a more passive approach.


Data shows a precipitous decline in law enforcement activity from last June through this February. We found that across the 10 major cities we studied, deadly violence rose as engaged policing fell. Cities that cut (or threaten to) police budgets often saw the largest drops in active policing and the increases in homicide.



What are the stats?

After the George Floyd protests started in New York City, the New York Police Department logged 45,000 fewer arrests from June to December — a 38% decline while the Big Apple added more than 100 additional homicides (a 58% increase).

From June through the end of this February, Chicago’s police made 31,000 fewer arrests — a 53% decline as murders rose 65%. In Louisville, where massive unrest included the shooting of two police officers during a protest, homicides jumped 87% as the police made 35% fewer vehicle stops since June while arrests plummeted 42% during summer months compared with 2019.

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Already bloody St. Louis hit a 50-year homicide high, a rate of 87 per 100,000 residents — a rate three times higher than Mexico and Central America. As Milwaukee announced slashing 120 officers from its police force, the city saw a 98% increase in killings
-----

In 2015, when an ACLU lawsuit reduced Chicago police’s ability to make stops and searches, Windy City killings jumped 58% as street stops fell 82% in 2016, according to University of Utah research.

Similarly, Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby’s 2015 weak case against the cops in the Freddie Gray incident (all charges were later dropped or ended in acquittal), and her hostility toward the cases police sent to her office, demoralized officers and deterred proactive policing.
 

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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

Last year, the United States tallied more than 20,000 murders — the highest total since 1995 and 4,000 more than in 2019. Preliminary FBI data for 2020 points to a 25% surge in murders — the largest single year increase since the agency began publishing uniform data in 1960.

Policing is to blame, or rather the lack of it.

In the wake of the May and June unrest,
public officials’ decisions and growing hostility toward policing left law enforcement demoralized, debilitated and, in some cases, defunded. Even the most dedicated officers who now face a greater risk of being sued, fired or prosecuted for doing their job feel pressure to pull back.

The message from a new wave of progressive prosecutors is clear: making arrests for drug and weapons crimes that will go unprosecuted exposes officers to the risk of disciplinary action, lawsuits and criminal prosecution. To mitigate that risk, police take a more passive approach.


Data shows a precipitous decline in law enforcement activity from last June through this February. We found that across the 10 major cities we studied, deadly violence rose as engaged policing fell. Cities that cut (or threaten to) police budgets often saw the largest drops in active policing and the increases in homicide.



What are the stats?

After the George Floyd protests started in New York City, the New York Police Department logged 45,000 fewer arrests from June to December — a 38% decline while the Big Apple added more than 100 additional homicides (a 58% increase).

From June through the end of this February, Chicago’s police made 31,000 fewer arrests — a 53% decline as murders rose 65%. In Louisville, where massive unrest included the shooting of two police officers during a protest, homicides jumped 87% as the police made 35% fewer vehicle stops since June while arrests plummeted 42% during summer months compared with 2019.

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Already bloody St. Louis hit a 50-year homicide high, a rate of 87 per 100,000 residents — a rate three times higher than Mexico and Central America. As Milwaukee announced slashing 120 officers from its police force, the city saw a 98% increase in killings
-----

In 2015, when an ACLU lawsuit reduced Chicago police’s ability to make stops and searches, Windy City killings jumped 58% as street stops fell 82% in 2016, according to University of Utah research.

Similarly, Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby’s 2015 weak case against the cops in the Freddie Gray incident (all charges were later dropped or ended in acquittal), and her hostility toward the cases police sent to her office, demoralized officers and deterred proactive policing.
The thread premise is a lie.
Yes. Of any developed nation, we have far more homicides than anyone else because we have more guns than anyone else. And republicans are fine with that.
Democrats are the ones who are doing the vast majority of the murdering. The black portion of your party is responsible for more than half of all murders. That doesnt even include the white collection of violent weirdos that your party is responsible for. I half to imagine that 80% of all murders are left wingers.
Meanwhile back in reality, the fact is that we have far more murders than any other developed nation....and the GOP is just fine with it. Nobody really can articulate why.


I just articulated why....you idiot. The democrat party releases known, repeat, violent gun offenders over and over again...it is these criminals who create our gun crime in democrat party controlled cities...

Then, the democrat party war against the police keeps the police in their squad cars, responding to only the most extreme calls, rather than breaking up criminals before they murder people.....

that's why.....

You don't care about the truth, you just want to ban guns by taking them away from people who don't commit any crime...

That is why you are a moron.

No one commits a crime, until they do.


Actually, this is not accurate, and it is intended to lie about murder and who commits murder....

The Criminology of Firearms

In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.


While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies.

Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

Last year, the United States tallied more than 20,000 murders — the highest total since 1995 and 4,000 more than in 2019. Preliminary FBI data for 2020 points to a 25% surge in murders — the largest single year increase since the agency began publishing uniform data in 1960.

Policing is to blame, or rather the lack of it.

In the wake of the May and June unrest,
public officials’ decisions and growing hostility toward policing left law enforcement demoralized, debilitated and, in some cases, defunded. Even the most dedicated officers who now face a greater risk of being sued, fired or prosecuted for doing their job feel pressure to pull back.

The message from a new wave of progressive prosecutors is clear: making arrests for drug and weapons crimes that will go unprosecuted exposes officers to the risk of disciplinary action, lawsuits and criminal prosecution. To mitigate that risk, police take a more passive approach.


Data shows a precipitous decline in law enforcement activity from last June through this February. We found that across the 10 major cities we studied, deadly violence rose as engaged policing fell. Cities that cut (or threaten to) police budgets often saw the largest drops in active policing and the increases in homicide.



What are the stats?

After the George Floyd protests started in New York City, the New York Police Department logged 45,000 fewer arrests from June to December — a 38% decline while the Big Apple added more than 100 additional homicides (a 58% increase).

From June through the end of this February, Chicago’s police made 31,000 fewer arrests — a 53% decline as murders rose 65%. In Louisville, where massive unrest included the shooting of two police officers during a protest, homicides jumped 87% as the police made 35% fewer vehicle stops since June while arrests plummeted 42% during summer months compared with 2019.

---------
Already bloody St. Louis hit a 50-year homicide high, a rate of 87 per 100,000 residents — a rate three times higher than Mexico and Central America. As Milwaukee announced slashing 120 officers from its police force, the city saw a 98% increase in killings
-----

In 2015, when an ACLU lawsuit reduced Chicago police’s ability to make stops and searches, Windy City killings jumped 58% as street stops fell 82% in 2016, according to University of Utah research.

Similarly, Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby’s 2015 weak case against the cops in the Freddie Gray incident (all charges were later dropped or ended in acquittal), and her hostility toward the cases police sent to her office, demoralized officers and deterred proactive policing.
The thread premise is a lie.
Yes. Of any developed nation, we have far more homicides than anyone else because we have more guns than anyone else. And republicans are fine with that.
Democrats are the ones who are doing the vast majority of the murdering. The black portion of your party is responsible for more than half of all murders. That doesnt even include the white collection of violent weirdos that your party is responsible for. I half to imagine that 80% of all murders are left wingers.
Meanwhile back in reality, the fact is that we have far more murders than any other developed nation....and the GOP is just fine with it. Nobody really can articulate why.


I just articulated why....you idiot. The democrat party releases known, repeat, violent gun offenders over and over again...it is these criminals who create our gun crime in democrat party controlled cities...

Then, the democrat party war against the police keeps the police in their squad cars, responding to only the most extreme calls, rather than breaking up criminals before they murder people.....

that's why.....

You don't care about the truth, you just want to ban guns by taking them away from people who don't commit any crime...

That is why you are a moron.

No one commits a crime, until they do.


Actually, this is not accurate, and it is intended to lie about murder and who commits murder....

The Criminology of Firearms

In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.


While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies.

Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."

You hear all the time about people that don't have a criminals record accused of gun violence.
He was such a nice guy, always kept to himself.
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A number of studies suggest that laws and policies that enable firearm access during emotionally charged moments also seem to correlate with gun violence more strongly than does mental illness alone. Belying Lott’s argument that “more guns” lead to “less crime,”52 Miller et al. found that homicide was more common in areas where household firearms ownership was higher.53 Siegel et al. found that states with high rates of gun ownership had disproportionately high numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides.54 Webster’s analysis uncovered that the repeal of Missouri’s background check law led to an additional 49 to 68 murders per year,55 and the rate of interpersonal conflicts resolved by fatal shootings jumped by 200% after Florida passed “stand your ground” in 2005.56 Availability of guns is also considered a more predictive factor than is psychiatric diagnosis in many of the 19 000 US completed gun suicides each year.11,57,58 (By comparison, gun-related homicides and suicides fell precipitously, and mass-shootings dropped to zero, when the Australian government passed a series of gun-access restrictions in 1996.59)
Mental Illness, Mass Shootings, and the Politics of American Firearms (nih.gov)
 
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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

Well the Trump Recession and the fact that people were locked up in their houses for months probably had a lot to do with that, but yeah, the fact the NRA has been flooding our streets with guns is starting to pay off.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

We lock up 2 million people. Locking people up doesn't help.
 

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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

Last year, the United States tallied more than 20,000 murders — the highest total since 1995 and 4,000 more than in 2019. Preliminary FBI data for 2020 points to a 25% surge in murders — the largest single year increase since the agency began publishing uniform data in 1960.

Policing is to blame, or rather the lack of it.

In the wake of the May and June unrest,
public officials’ decisions and growing hostility toward policing left law enforcement demoralized, debilitated and, in some cases, defunded. Even the most dedicated officers who now face a greater risk of being sued, fired or prosecuted for doing their job feel pressure to pull back.

The message from a new wave of progressive prosecutors is clear: making arrests for drug and weapons crimes that will go unprosecuted exposes officers to the risk of disciplinary action, lawsuits and criminal prosecution. To mitigate that risk, police take a more passive approach.


Data shows a precipitous decline in law enforcement activity from last June through this February. We found that across the 10 major cities we studied, deadly violence rose as engaged policing fell. Cities that cut (or threaten to) police budgets often saw the largest drops in active policing and the increases in homicide.



What are the stats?

After the George Floyd protests started in New York City, the New York Police Department logged 45,000 fewer arrests from June to December — a 38% decline while the Big Apple added more than 100 additional homicides (a 58% increase).

From June through the end of this February, Chicago’s police made 31,000 fewer arrests — a 53% decline as murders rose 65%. In Louisville, where massive unrest included the shooting of two police officers during a protest, homicides jumped 87% as the police made 35% fewer vehicle stops since June while arrests plummeted 42% during summer months compared with 2019.

---------
Already bloody St. Louis hit a 50-year homicide high, a rate of 87 per 100,000 residents — a rate three times higher than Mexico and Central America. As Milwaukee announced slashing 120 officers from its police force, the city saw a 98% increase in killings
-----

In 2015, when an ACLU lawsuit reduced Chicago police’s ability to make stops and searches, Windy City killings jumped 58% as street stops fell 82% in 2016, according to University of Utah research.

Similarly, Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby’s 2015 weak case against the cops in the Freddie Gray incident (all charges were later dropped or ended in acquittal), and her hostility toward the cases police sent to her office, demoralized officers and deterred proactive policing.
The thread premise is a lie.
Yes. Of any developed nation, we have far more homicides than anyone else because we have more guns than anyone else. And republicans are fine with that.


Democrats release violent criminals, and attack the police.

Me?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a gun in a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters


1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....

What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..
Meanwhile back in reality....blob supporters killed a Capitol Hill police officer and have been trying to deny their complicity in the officer's death ever since.

And, while we're on the topic of liberals...other nations are far more liberal than we are.... none of them have the incarceration rates we have or the death penalty. So, if we applied your bullshit logic, those nations should have industrial sized murder rates.

Instead, the liberal nations on the planet have far fewer murders than we do.


No.....murder rates are cultural. European murder is different from American murder...in America, our murder is primarily confined to criminals murdering other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.

In Europe, murder is generally a government organized and led activity directed not at criminals, but at innocent citizens, as we saw with the over 12 million murdered by the German Socialists, and the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.....

Europeans murder far more innocent people than American criminals do.
“European murder is different from American murder..”

Wow. Are you full of shit.
The only difference in the murders is that in Europe it is much more rare and not looked at as the cost of doing business—the way blob supporters here view murder.
 
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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

Last year, the United States tallied more than 20,000 murders — the highest total since 1995 and 4,000 more than in 2019. Preliminary FBI data for 2020 points to a 25% surge in murders — the largest single year increase since the agency began publishing uniform data in 1960.

Policing is to blame, or rather the lack of it.

In the wake of the May and June unrest,
public officials’ decisions and growing hostility toward policing left law enforcement demoralized, debilitated and, in some cases, defunded. Even the most dedicated officers who now face a greater risk of being sued, fired or prosecuted for doing their job feel pressure to pull back.

The message from a new wave of progressive prosecutors is clear: making arrests for drug and weapons crimes that will go unprosecuted exposes officers to the risk of disciplinary action, lawsuits and criminal prosecution. To mitigate that risk, police take a more passive approach.


Data shows a precipitous decline in law enforcement activity from last June through this February. We found that across the 10 major cities we studied, deadly violence rose as engaged policing fell. Cities that cut (or threaten to) police budgets often saw the largest drops in active policing and the increases in homicide.



What are the stats?

After the George Floyd protests started in New York City, the New York Police Department logged 45,000 fewer arrests from June to December — a 38% decline while the Big Apple added more than 100 additional homicides (a 58% increase).

From June through the end of this February, Chicago’s police made 31,000 fewer arrests — a 53% decline as murders rose 65%. In Louisville, where massive unrest included the shooting of two police officers during a protest, homicides jumped 87% as the police made 35% fewer vehicle stops since June while arrests plummeted 42% during summer months compared with 2019.

---------
Already bloody St. Louis hit a 50-year homicide high, a rate of 87 per 100,000 residents — a rate three times higher than Mexico and Central America. As Milwaukee announced slashing 120 officers from its police force, the city saw a 98% increase in killings
-----

In 2015, when an ACLU lawsuit reduced Chicago police’s ability to make stops and searches, Windy City killings jumped 58% as street stops fell 82% in 2016, according to University of Utah research.

Similarly, Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby’s 2015 weak case against the cops in the Freddie Gray incident (all charges were later dropped or ended in acquittal), and her hostility toward the cases police sent to her office, demoralized officers and deterred proactive policing.
The thread premise is a lie.
Yes. Of any developed nation, we have far more homicides than anyone else because we have more guns than anyone else. And republicans are fine with that.
Democrats are the ones who are doing the vast majority of the murdering. The black portion of your party is responsible for more than half of all murders. That doesnt even include the white collection of violent weirdos that your party is responsible for. I half to imagine that 80% of all murders are left wingers.
Meanwhile back in reality, the fact is that we have far more murders than any other developed nation....and the GOP is just fine with it. Nobody really can articulate why.


I just articulated why....you idiot. The democrat party releases known, repeat, violent gun offenders over and over again...it is these criminals who create our gun crime in democrat party controlled cities...

Then, the democrat party war against the police keeps the police in their squad cars, responding to only the most extreme calls, rather than breaking up criminals before they murder people.....

that's why.....

You don't care about the truth, you just want to ban guns by taking them away from people who don't commit any crime...

That is why you are a moron.

No one commits a crime, until they do.


Actually, this is not accurate, and it is intended to lie about murder and who commits murder....

The Criminology of Firearms

In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.


While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies.

Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
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The Democrat party and their catch and release policies for violent criminals, and their war on police is creating gun crime, sex crimes, and all the other crimes you see exploding in democrat party controlled cities...
 
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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

Well the Trump Recession and the fact that people were locked up in their houses for months probably had a lot to do with that, but yeah, the fact the NRA has been flooding our streets with guns is starting to pay off.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

We lock up 2 million people. Locking people up doesn't help.


No...locking up the violent gun criminals and keeping them locked up helps.....arresting them and then letting them back out on bail and out of prison on short sentences for gun crimes and violence, doesn't help..........it creates the gun crime levels we see in democrat party controlled cities.
 
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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

Last year, the United States tallied more than 20,000 murders — the highest total since 1995 and 4,000 more than in 2019. Preliminary FBI data for 2020 points to a 25% surge in murders — the largest single year increase since the agency began publishing uniform data in 1960.

Policing is to blame, or rather the lack of it.

In the wake of the May and June unrest,
public officials’ decisions and growing hostility toward policing left law enforcement demoralized, debilitated and, in some cases, defunded. Even the most dedicated officers who now face a greater risk of being sued, fired or prosecuted for doing their job feel pressure to pull back.

The message from a new wave of progressive prosecutors is clear: making arrests for drug and weapons crimes that will go unprosecuted exposes officers to the risk of disciplinary action, lawsuits and criminal prosecution. To mitigate that risk, police take a more passive approach.


Data shows a precipitous decline in law enforcement activity from last June through this February. We found that across the 10 major cities we studied, deadly violence rose as engaged policing fell. Cities that cut (or threaten to) police budgets often saw the largest drops in active policing and the increases in homicide.



What are the stats?

After the George Floyd protests started in New York City, the New York Police Department logged 45,000 fewer arrests from June to December — a 38% decline while the Big Apple added more than 100 additional homicides (a 58% increase).

From June through the end of this February, Chicago’s police made 31,000 fewer arrests — a 53% decline as murders rose 65%. In Louisville, where massive unrest included the shooting of two police officers during a protest, homicides jumped 87% as the police made 35% fewer vehicle stops since June while arrests plummeted 42% during summer months compared with 2019.

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Already bloody St. Louis hit a 50-year homicide high, a rate of 87 per 100,000 residents — a rate three times higher than Mexico and Central America. As Milwaukee announced slashing 120 officers from its police force, the city saw a 98% increase in killings
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In 2015, when an ACLU lawsuit reduced Chicago police’s ability to make stops and searches, Windy City killings jumped 58% as street stops fell 82% in 2016, according to University of Utah research.

Similarly, Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby’s 2015 weak case against the cops in the Freddie Gray incident (all charges were later dropped or ended in acquittal), and her hostility toward the cases police sent to her office, demoralized officers and deterred proactive policing.
The thread premise is a lie.
Yes. Of any developed nation, we have far more homicides than anyone else because we have more guns than anyone else. And republicans are fine with that.


Democrats release violent criminals, and attack the police.

Me?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a gun in a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters


1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....

What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..
Meanwhile back in reality....blob supporters killed a Capitol Hill police officer and have been trying to deny their complicity in the officer's death ever since.

And, while we're on the topic of liberals...other nations are far more liberal than we are.... none of them have the incarceration rates we have or the death penalty. So, if we applied your bullshit logic, those nations should have industrial sized murder rates.

Instead, the liberal nations on the planet have far fewer murders than we do.


No.....murder rates are cultural. European murder is different from American murder...in America, our murder is primarily confined to criminals murdering other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.

In Europe, murder is generally a government organized and led activity directed not at criminals, but at innocent citizens, as we saw with the over 12 million murdered by the German Socialists, and the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.....

Europeans murder far more innocent people than American criminals do.
“European murder is different from American murder..”

Wow. Are you full of shit.
The only difference in the murders is that in Europe it is much more rare and not looked at as the cost of doing business—the way blob supporters here view murder.


European criminals have all the access to guns they want, and they are becoming more violent now that immigrants are running the drug gangs across Europe....they don't care for the Western values that keeps Europeans mostly non-violent.

At this point, the European criminals are moving from knife crime, to now shooting each other to wound, and transitioning to wounding to kill.....the progression of violence the U.S. saw going into the 1960s, and ending in the violent crime you saw starting in the mid-1960s to the early 1990s


You can deny it all you want, but you are just lying to yourselves....

European murder, as we have seen, is concentrated in their governments mass murdering innocent men, women and children.........while American criminals murder other criminals....

You guys seem to prefer the European model of murder...innocents butchered in their millions versus criminals murdering other criminals....
 

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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

Last year, the United States tallied more than 20,000 murders — the highest total since 1995 and 4,000 more than in 2019. Preliminary FBI data for 2020 points to a 25% surge in murders — the largest single year increase since the agency began publishing uniform data in 1960.

Policing is to blame, or rather the lack of it.

In the wake of the May and June unrest,
public officials’ decisions and growing hostility toward policing left law enforcement demoralized, debilitated and, in some cases, defunded. Even the most dedicated officers who now face a greater risk of being sued, fired or prosecuted for doing their job feel pressure to pull back.

The message from a new wave of progressive prosecutors is clear: making arrests for drug and weapons crimes that will go unprosecuted exposes officers to the risk of disciplinary action, lawsuits and criminal prosecution. To mitigate that risk, police take a more passive approach.


Data shows a precipitous decline in law enforcement activity from last June through this February. We found that across the 10 major cities we studied, deadly violence rose as engaged policing fell. Cities that cut (or threaten to) police budgets often saw the largest drops in active policing and the increases in homicide.



What are the stats?

After the George Floyd protests started in New York City, the New York Police Department logged 45,000 fewer arrests from June to December — a 38% decline while the Big Apple added more than 100 additional homicides (a 58% increase).

From June through the end of this February, Chicago’s police made 31,000 fewer arrests — a 53% decline as murders rose 65%. In Louisville, where massive unrest included the shooting of two police officers during a protest, homicides jumped 87% as the police made 35% fewer vehicle stops since June while arrests plummeted 42% during summer months compared with 2019.

---------
Already bloody St. Louis hit a 50-year homicide high, a rate of 87 per 100,000 residents — a rate three times higher than Mexico and Central America. As Milwaukee announced slashing 120 officers from its police force, the city saw a 98% increase in killings
-----

In 2015, when an ACLU lawsuit reduced Chicago police’s ability to make stops and searches, Windy City killings jumped 58% as street stops fell 82% in 2016, according to University of Utah research.

Similarly, Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby’s 2015 weak case against the cops in the Freddie Gray incident (all charges were later dropped or ended in acquittal), and her hostility toward the cases police sent to her office, demoralized officers and deterred proactive policing.
The thread premise is a lie.
Yes. Of any developed nation, we have far more homicides than anyone else because we have more guns than anyone else. And republicans are fine with that.


Democrats release violent criminals, and attack the police.

Me?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a gun in a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters


1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....

What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..
Meanwhile back in reality....blob supporters killed a Capitol Hill police officer and have been trying to deny their complicity in the officer's death ever since.

And, while we're on the topic of liberals...other nations are far more liberal than we are.... none of them have the incarceration rates we have or the death penalty. So, if we applied your bullshit logic, those nations should have industrial sized murder rates.

Instead, the liberal nations on the planet have far fewer murders than we do.


No.....murder rates are cultural. European murder is different from American murder...in America, our murder is primarily confined to criminals murdering other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.

In Europe, murder is generally a government organized and led activity directed not at criminals, but at innocent citizens, as we saw with the over 12 million murdered by the German Socialists, and the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.....

Europeans murder far more innocent people than American criminals do.
“European murder is different from American murder..”

Wow. Are you full of shit.
The only difference in the murders is that in Europe it is much more rare and not looked at as the cost of doing business—the way blob supporters here view murder.


European criminals have all the access to guns they want, and they are becoming more violent now that immigrants are running the drug gangs across Europe....they don't care for the Western values that keeps Europeans mostly non-violent.

At this point, the European criminals are moving from knife crime, to now shooting each other to wound, and transitioning to wounding to kill.....the progression of violence the U.S. saw going into the 1960s, and ending in the violent crime you saw starting in the mid-1960s to the early 1990s


You can deny it all you want, but you are just lying to yourselves....

European murder, as we have seen, is concentrated in their governments mass murdering innocent men, women and children.........while American criminals murder other criminals....

You guys seem to prefer the European model of murder...innocents butchered in their millions versus criminals murdering other criminals....
In support of that information, a recent documentary depicting Mexican drug cartels interviewed a runner/coyote. In response to the question that, “If guns were taken out of the equation, would that reduce the numbers of deaths between cartels having shoot outs in the streets with a rival cartel over turf?” His response “No. We’ll just use machetes and bats” if guns are removed from the equation. Criminals will develop their own lethal weapons if need be and will always find the means. Law-abiding citizens have the right to protect themselves and their homes if need be.
 
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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

Last year, the United States tallied more than 20,000 murders — the highest total since 1995 and 4,000 more than in 2019. Preliminary FBI data for 2020 points to a 25% surge in murders — the largest single year increase since the agency began publishing uniform data in 1960.

Policing is to blame, or rather the lack of it.

In the wake of the May and June unrest,
public officials’ decisions and growing hostility toward policing left law enforcement demoralized, debilitated and, in some cases, defunded. Even the most dedicated officers who now face a greater risk of being sued, fired or prosecuted for doing their job feel pressure to pull back.

The message from a new wave of progressive prosecutors is clear: making arrests for drug and weapons crimes that will go unprosecuted exposes officers to the risk of disciplinary action, lawsuits and criminal prosecution. To mitigate that risk, police take a more passive approach.


Data shows a precipitous decline in law enforcement activity from last June through this February. We found that across the 10 major cities we studied, deadly violence rose as engaged policing fell. Cities that cut (or threaten to) police budgets often saw the largest drops in active policing and the increases in homicide.



What are the stats?

After the George Floyd protests started in New York City, the New York Police Department logged 45,000 fewer arrests from June to December — a 38% decline while the Big Apple added more than 100 additional homicides (a 58% increase).

From June through the end of this February, Chicago’s police made 31,000 fewer arrests — a 53% decline as murders rose 65%. In Louisville, where massive unrest included the shooting of two police officers during a protest, homicides jumped 87% as the police made 35% fewer vehicle stops since June while arrests plummeted 42% during summer months compared with 2019.

---------
Already bloody St. Louis hit a 50-year homicide high, a rate of 87 per 100,000 residents — a rate three times higher than Mexico and Central America. As Milwaukee announced slashing 120 officers from its police force, the city saw a 98% increase in killings
-----

In 2015, when an ACLU lawsuit reduced Chicago police’s ability to make stops and searches, Windy City killings jumped 58% as street stops fell 82% in 2016, according to University of Utah research.

Similarly, Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby’s 2015 weak case against the cops in the Freddie Gray incident (all charges were later dropped or ended in acquittal), and her hostility toward the cases police sent to her office, demoralized officers and deterred proactive policing.
The thread premise is a lie.
Yes. Of any developed nation, we have far more homicides than anyone else because we have more guns than anyone else. And republicans are fine with that.


Democrats release violent criminals, and attack the police.

Me?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a gun in a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters


1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....

What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..
Meanwhile back in reality....blob supporters killed a Capitol Hill police officer and have been trying to deny their complicity in the officer's death ever since.

And, while we're on the topic of liberals...other nations are far more liberal than we are.... none of them have the incarceration rates we have or the death penalty. So, if we applied your bullshit logic, those nations should have industrial sized murder rates.

Instead, the liberal nations on the planet have far fewer murders than we do.


No.....murder rates are cultural. European murder is different from American murder...in America, our murder is primarily confined to criminals murdering other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.

In Europe, murder is generally a government organized and led activity directed not at criminals, but at innocent citizens, as we saw with the over 12 million murdered by the German Socialists, and the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.....

Europeans murder far more innocent people than American criminals do.
“European murder is different from American murder..”

Wow. Are you full of shit.
The only difference in the murders is that in Europe it is much more rare and not looked at as the cost of doing business—the way blob supporters here view murder.


European criminals have all the access to guns they want, and they are becoming more violent now that immigrants are running the drug gangs across Europe....they don't care for the Western values that keeps Europeans mostly non-violent.

At this point, the European criminals are moving from knife crime, to now shooting each other to wound, and transitioning to wounding to kill.....the progression of violence the U.S. saw going into the 1960s, and ending in the violent crime you saw starting in the mid-1960s to the early 1990s


You can deny it all you want, but you are just lying to yourselves....

European murder, as we have seen, is concentrated in their governments mass murdering innocent men, women and children.........while American criminals murder other criminals....

You guys seem to prefer the European model of murder...innocents butchered in their millions versus criminals murdering other criminals....
In support of that information, a recent documentary depicting Mexican drug cartels interviewed a runner/coyote. In response to the question that, “If guns were taken out of the equation, would that reduce the numbers of deaths between cartels having shoot outs in the streets with a rival cartel over turf?” His response “No. We’ll just use machetes and bats” if guns are removed from the equation. Criminals will develop their own lethal weapons if need be and will always find the means. Law-abiding citizens have the right to protect themselves and their homes if need be.


What gun grabbers don't understand, because they don't understand human nature or human history.......?

At one point on this planet, guns did not exist.

What was the world like then?

The strong raped, tortured, enslaved and murdered the weak....women were not just second class citizens, they were complete slaves to the dictates of the men....

Guns changed all of that....when people didn't have to spend vast amounts of time training in primitive weapons....when they could work with a gun on their hip, or a rifle propped next to them.....with little to no time needed for training, then the strong no longer had free reign....and civilization took hold.....women became equal to men, and slavery was ended.....

Anti-gun extremists don't know any of this...
 

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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

Last year, the United States tallied more than 20,000 murders — the highest total since 1995 and 4,000 more than in 2019. Preliminary FBI data for 2020 points to a 25% surge in murders — the largest single year increase since the agency began publishing uniform data in 1960.

Policing is to blame, or rather the lack of it.

In the wake of the May and June unrest,
public officials’ decisions and growing hostility toward policing left law enforcement demoralized, debilitated and, in some cases, defunded. Even the most dedicated officers who now face a greater risk of being sued, fired or prosecuted for doing their job feel pressure to pull back.

The message from a new wave of progressive prosecutors is clear: making arrests for drug and weapons crimes that will go unprosecuted exposes officers to the risk of disciplinary action, lawsuits and criminal prosecution. To mitigate that risk, police take a more passive approach.


Data shows a precipitous decline in law enforcement activity from last June through this February. We found that across the 10 major cities we studied, deadly violence rose as engaged policing fell. Cities that cut (or threaten to) police budgets often saw the largest drops in active policing and the increases in homicide.



What are the stats?

After the George Floyd protests started in New York City, the New York Police Department logged 45,000 fewer arrests from June to December — a 38% decline while the Big Apple added more than 100 additional homicides (a 58% increase).

From June through the end of this February, Chicago’s police made 31,000 fewer arrests — a 53% decline as murders rose 65%. In Louisville, where massive unrest included the shooting of two police officers during a protest, homicides jumped 87% as the police made 35% fewer vehicle stops since June while arrests plummeted 42% during summer months compared with 2019.

---------
Already bloody St. Louis hit a 50-year homicide high, a rate of 87 per 100,000 residents — a rate three times higher than Mexico and Central America. As Milwaukee announced slashing 120 officers from its police force, the city saw a 98% increase in killings
-----

In 2015, when an ACLU lawsuit reduced Chicago police’s ability to make stops and searches, Windy City killings jumped 58% as street stops fell 82% in 2016, according to University of Utah research.

Similarly, Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby’s 2015 weak case against the cops in the Freddie Gray incident (all charges were later dropped or ended in acquittal), and her hostility toward the cases police sent to her office, demoralized officers and deterred proactive policing.
The thread premise is a lie.
Yes. Of any developed nation, we have far more homicides than anyone else because we have more guns than anyone else. And republicans are fine with that.


Democrats release violent criminals, and attack the police.

Me?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a gun in a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters


1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....

What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..
Meanwhile back in reality....blob supporters killed a Capitol Hill police officer and have been trying to deny their complicity in the officer's death ever since.

And, while we're on the topic of liberals...other nations are far more liberal than we are.... none of them have the incarceration rates we have or the death penalty. So, if we applied your bullshit logic, those nations should have industrial sized murder rates.

Instead, the liberal nations on the planet have far fewer murders than we do.


No.....murder rates are cultural. European murder is different from American murder...in America, our murder is primarily confined to criminals murdering other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.

In Europe, murder is generally a government organized and led activity directed not at criminals, but at innocent citizens, as we saw with the over 12 million murdered by the German Socialists, and the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.....

Europeans murder far more innocent people than American criminals do.
“European murder is different from American murder..”

Wow. Are you full of shit.
The only difference in the murders is that in Europe it is much more rare and not looked at as the cost of doing business—the way blob supporters here view murder.


European criminals have all the access to guns they want, and they are becoming more violent now that immigrants are running the drug gangs across Europe....they don't care for the Western values that keeps Europeans mostly non-violent.

At this point, the European criminals are moving from knife crime, to now shooting each other to wound, and transitioning to wounding to kill.....the progression of violence the U.S. saw going into the 1960s, and ending in the violent crime you saw starting in the mid-1960s to the early 1990s


You can deny it all you want, but you are just lying to yourselves....

European murder, as we have seen, is concentrated in their governments mass murdering innocent men, women and children.........while American criminals murder other criminals....

You guys seem to prefer the European model of murder...innocents butchered in their millions versus criminals murdering other criminals....

Yes, we prefer the European model of murder....the model that is infrequent.
 
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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

Last year, the United States tallied more than 20,000 murders — the highest total since 1995 and 4,000 more than in 2019. Preliminary FBI data for 2020 points to a 25% surge in murders — the largest single year increase since the agency began publishing uniform data in 1960.

Policing is to blame, or rather the lack of it.

In the wake of the May and June unrest,
public officials’ decisions and growing hostility toward policing left law enforcement demoralized, debilitated and, in some cases, defunded. Even the most dedicated officers who now face a greater risk of being sued, fired or prosecuted for doing their job feel pressure to pull back.

The message from a new wave of progressive prosecutors is clear: making arrests for drug and weapons crimes that will go unprosecuted exposes officers to the risk of disciplinary action, lawsuits and criminal prosecution. To mitigate that risk, police take a more passive approach.


Data shows a precipitous decline in law enforcement activity from last June through this February. We found that across the 10 major cities we studied, deadly violence rose as engaged policing fell. Cities that cut (or threaten to) police budgets often saw the largest drops in active policing and the increases in homicide.



What are the stats?

After the George Floyd protests started in New York City, the New York Police Department logged 45,000 fewer arrests from June to December — a 38% decline while the Big Apple added more than 100 additional homicides (a 58% increase).

From June through the end of this February, Chicago’s police made 31,000 fewer arrests — a 53% decline as murders rose 65%. In Louisville, where massive unrest included the shooting of two police officers during a protest, homicides jumped 87% as the police made 35% fewer vehicle stops since June while arrests plummeted 42% during summer months compared with 2019.

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Already bloody St. Louis hit a 50-year homicide high, a rate of 87 per 100,000 residents — a rate three times higher than Mexico and Central America. As Milwaukee announced slashing 120 officers from its police force, the city saw a 98% increase in killings
-----

In 2015, when an ACLU lawsuit reduced Chicago police’s ability to make stops and searches, Windy City killings jumped 58% as street stops fell 82% in 2016, according to University of Utah research.

Similarly, Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby’s 2015 weak case against the cops in the Freddie Gray incident (all charges were later dropped or ended in acquittal), and her hostility toward the cases police sent to her office, demoralized officers and deterred proactive policing.
The thread premise is a lie.
Yes. Of any developed nation, we have far more homicides than anyone else because we have more guns than anyone else. And republicans are fine with that.


Democrats release violent criminals, and attack the police.

Me?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a gun in a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters


1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....

What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..
Meanwhile back in reality....blob supporters killed a Capitol Hill police officer and have been trying to deny their complicity in the officer's death ever since.

And, while we're on the topic of liberals...other nations are far more liberal than we are.... none of them have the incarceration rates we have or the death penalty. So, if we applied your bullshit logic, those nations should have industrial sized murder rates.

Instead, the liberal nations on the planet have far fewer murders than we do.


No.....murder rates are cultural. European murder is different from American murder...in America, our murder is primarily confined to criminals murdering other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.

In Europe, murder is generally a government organized and led activity directed not at criminals, but at innocent citizens, as we saw with the over 12 million murdered by the German Socialists, and the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.....

Europeans murder far more innocent people than American criminals do.
“European murder is different from American murder..”

Wow. Are you full of shit.
The only difference in the murders is that in Europe it is much more rare and not looked at as the cost of doing business—the way blob supporters here view murder.


European criminals have all the access to guns they want, and they are becoming more violent now that immigrants are running the drug gangs across Europe....they don't care for the Western values that keeps Europeans mostly non-violent.

At this point, the European criminals are moving from knife crime, to now shooting each other to wound, and transitioning to wounding to kill.....the progression of violence the U.S. saw going into the 1960s, and ending in the violent crime you saw starting in the mid-1960s to the early 1990s


You can deny it all you want, but you are just lying to yourselves....

European murder, as we have seen, is concentrated in their governments mass murdering innocent men, women and children.........while American criminals murder other criminals....

You guys seem to prefer the European model of murder...innocents butchered in their millions versus criminals murdering other criminals....

Yes, we prefer the European model of murder....the model that is infrequent.


But kills 10s of millions of innocent people....of course you do.....

And, criminals in Europe are actually becoming more violent, and using guns more often...so you won't even have that excuse anymore.....both the government and criminals will murder freely in Europe.......
 

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No...locking up the violent gun criminals and keeping them locked up helps.....arresting them and then letting them back out on bail and out of prison on short sentences for gun crimes and violence, doesn't help..........it creates the gun crime levels we see in democrat party controlled cities.

Yawn, guy... we don't have the room in prison to lock up every "jerk with a gun". We really don't.

We've quadrupled the number of people in prison since 1980, and we haven't put a dent in crime.
 

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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

Last year, the United States tallied more than 20,000 murders — the highest total since 1995 and 4,000 more than in 2019. Preliminary FBI data for 2020 points to a 25% surge in murders — the largest single year increase since the agency began publishing uniform data in 1960.

Policing is to blame, or rather the lack of it.

In the wake of the May and June unrest,
public officials’ decisions and growing hostility toward policing left law enforcement demoralized, debilitated and, in some cases, defunded. Even the most dedicated officers who now face a greater risk of being sued, fired or prosecuted for doing their job feel pressure to pull back.

The message from a new wave of progressive prosecutors is clear: making arrests for drug and weapons crimes that will go unprosecuted exposes officers to the risk of disciplinary action, lawsuits and criminal prosecution. To mitigate that risk, police take a more passive approach.


Data shows a precipitous decline in law enforcement activity from last June through this February. We found that across the 10 major cities we studied, deadly violence rose as engaged policing fell. Cities that cut (or threaten to) police budgets often saw the largest drops in active policing and the increases in homicide.



What are the stats?

After the George Floyd protests started in New York City, the New York Police Department logged 45,000 fewer arrests from June to December — a 38% decline while the Big Apple added more than 100 additional homicides (a 58% increase).

From June through the end of this February, Chicago’s police made 31,000 fewer arrests — a 53% decline as murders rose 65%. In Louisville, where massive unrest included the shooting of two police officers during a protest, homicides jumped 87% as the police made 35% fewer vehicle stops since June while arrests plummeted 42% during summer months compared with 2019.

---------
Already bloody St. Louis hit a 50-year homicide high, a rate of 87 per 100,000 residents — a rate three times higher than Mexico and Central America. As Milwaukee announced slashing 120 officers from its police force, the city saw a 98% increase in killings
-----

In 2015, when an ACLU lawsuit reduced Chicago police’s ability to make stops and searches, Windy City killings jumped 58% as street stops fell 82% in 2016, according to University of Utah research.

Similarly, Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby’s 2015 weak case against the cops in the Freddie Gray incident (all charges were later dropped or ended in acquittal), and her hostility toward the cases police sent to her office, demoralized officers and deterred proactive policing.
The thread premise is a lie.
Yes. Of any developed nation, we have far more homicides than anyone else because we have more guns than anyone else. And republicans are fine with that.
Democrats are the ones who are doing the vast majority of the murdering. The black portion of your party is responsible for more than half of all murders. That doesnt even include the white collection of violent weirdos that your party is responsible for. I half to imagine that 80% of all murders are left wingers.
Meanwhile back in reality, the fact is that we have far more murders than any other developed nation....and the GOP is just fine with it. Nobody really can articulate why.


I just articulated why....you idiot. The democrat party releases known, repeat, violent gun offenders over and over again...it is these criminals who create our gun crime in democrat party controlled cities...

Then, the democrat party war against the police keeps the police in their squad cars, responding to only the most extreme calls, rather than breaking up criminals before they murder people.....

that's why.....

You don't care about the truth, you just want to ban guns by taking them away from people who don't commit any crime...

That is why you are a moron.

No one commits a crime, until they do.


Actually, this is not accurate, and it is intended to lie about murder and who commits murder....

The Criminology of Firearms

In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.


While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies.

Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
The reality is that Trump is responsible for the increasing violence in our country.
Trump's history of inciting violence in words and tweets: A ...
https://www.vox.com › trump-violence-tweets-racist-hat...

Jan 9, 2021 — From 2015 to 2021, a comprehensive history of Donald Trump encouraging hate groups and political violence — from his messaging at rallies, ...


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The Democrat party and their catch and release policies for violent criminals, and their war on police is creating gun crime, sex crimes, and all the other crimes you see exploding in democrat party controlled cities...
Maybe in all major cities where poverty is rampant, and Trump's divisive behavior has certainly encouraged an increase in crime, no doubt. Your opinion is well taken, but read before you make it the rule.
 
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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

Last year, the United States tallied more than 20,000 murders — the highest total since 1995 and 4,000 more than in 2019. Preliminary FBI data for 2020 points to a 25% surge in murders — the largest single year increase since the agency began publishing uniform data in 1960.

Policing is to blame, or rather the lack of it.

In the wake of the May and June unrest,
public officials’ decisions and growing hostility toward policing left law enforcement demoralized, debilitated and, in some cases, defunded. Even the most dedicated officers who now face a greater risk of being sued, fired or prosecuted for doing their job feel pressure to pull back.

The message from a new wave of progressive prosecutors is clear: making arrests for drug and weapons crimes that will go unprosecuted exposes officers to the risk of disciplinary action, lawsuits and criminal prosecution. To mitigate that risk, police take a more passive approach.


Data shows a precipitous decline in law enforcement activity from last June through this February. We found that across the 10 major cities we studied, deadly violence rose as engaged policing fell. Cities that cut (or threaten to) police budgets often saw the largest drops in active policing and the increases in homicide.



What are the stats?

After the George Floyd protests started in New York City, the New York Police Department logged 45,000 fewer arrests from June to December — a 38% decline while the Big Apple added more than 100 additional homicides (a 58% increase).

From June through the end of this February, Chicago’s police made 31,000 fewer arrests — a 53% decline as murders rose 65%. In Louisville, where massive unrest included the shooting of two police officers during a protest, homicides jumped 87% as the police made 35% fewer vehicle stops since June while arrests plummeted 42% during summer months compared with 2019.

---------
Already bloody St. Louis hit a 50-year homicide high, a rate of 87 per 100,000 residents — a rate three times higher than Mexico and Central America. As Milwaukee announced slashing 120 officers from its police force, the city saw a 98% increase in killings
-----

In 2015, when an ACLU lawsuit reduced Chicago police’s ability to make stops and searches, Windy City killings jumped 58% as street stops fell 82% in 2016, according to University of Utah research.

Similarly, Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby’s 2015 weak case against the cops in the Freddie Gray incident (all charges were later dropped or ended in acquittal), and her hostility toward the cases police sent to her office, demoralized officers and deterred proactive policing.
The thread premise is a lie.
Yes. Of any developed nation, we have far more homicides than anyone else because we have more guns than anyone else. And republicans are fine with that.
Democrats are the ones who are doing the vast majority of the murdering. The black portion of your party is responsible for more than half of all murders. That doesnt even include the white collection of violent weirdos that your party is responsible for. I half to imagine that 80% of all murders are left wingers.
Meanwhile back in reality, the fact is that we have far more murders than any other developed nation....and the GOP is just fine with it. Nobody really can articulate why.


I just articulated why....you idiot. The democrat party releases known, repeat, violent gun offenders over and over again...it is these criminals who create our gun crime in democrat party controlled cities...

Then, the democrat party war against the police keeps the police in their squad cars, responding to only the most extreme calls, rather than breaking up criminals before they murder people.....

that's why.....

You don't care about the truth, you just want to ban guns by taking them away from people who don't commit any crime...

That is why you are a moron.

No one commits a crime, until they do.


Actually, this is not accurate, and it is intended to lie about murder and who commits murder....

The Criminology of Firearms

In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.


While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies.

Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
The reality is that Trump is responsible for the increasing violence in our country.
Trump's history of inciting violence in words and tweets: A ...
https://www.vox.com › trump-violence-tweets-racist-hat...

Jan 9, 2021 — From 2015 to 2021, a comprehensive history of Donald Trump encouraging hate groups and political violence — from his messaging at rallies, ...


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The Democrat party and their catch and release policies for violent criminals, and their war on police is creating gun crime, sex crimes, and all the other crimes you see exploding in democrat party controlled cities...
Maybe in all major cities where poverty is rampant, and Trump's divisive behavior has certainly encouraged an increase in crime, no doubt. Your opinion is well taken, but read before you make it the rule.
Virtually all the crime is being committed by left wingers. How exactly is this Trumps fault?
 

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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

Last year, the United States tallied more than 20,000 murders — the highest total since 1995 and 4,000 more than in 2019. Preliminary FBI data for 2020 points to a 25% surge in murders — the largest single year increase since the agency began publishing uniform data in 1960.

Policing is to blame, or rather the lack of it.

In the wake of the May and June unrest,
public officials’ decisions and growing hostility toward policing left law enforcement demoralized, debilitated and, in some cases, defunded. Even the most dedicated officers who now face a greater risk of being sued, fired or prosecuted for doing their job feel pressure to pull back.

The message from a new wave of progressive prosecutors is clear: making arrests for drug and weapons crimes that will go unprosecuted exposes officers to the risk of disciplinary action, lawsuits and criminal prosecution. To mitigate that risk, police take a more passive approach.


Data shows a precipitous decline in law enforcement activity from last June through this February. We found that across the 10 major cities we studied, deadly violence rose as engaged policing fell. Cities that cut (or threaten to) police budgets often saw the largest drops in active policing and the increases in homicide.



What are the stats?

After the George Floyd protests started in New York City, the New York Police Department logged 45,000 fewer arrests from June to December — a 38% decline while the Big Apple added more than 100 additional homicides (a 58% increase).

From June through the end of this February, Chicago’s police made 31,000 fewer arrests — a 53% decline as murders rose 65%. In Louisville, where massive unrest included the shooting of two police officers during a protest, homicides jumped 87% as the police made 35% fewer vehicle stops since June while arrests plummeted 42% during summer months compared with 2019.

---------
Already bloody St. Louis hit a 50-year homicide high, a rate of 87 per 100,000 residents — a rate three times higher than Mexico and Central America. As Milwaukee announced slashing 120 officers from its police force, the city saw a 98% increase in killings
-----

In 2015, when an ACLU lawsuit reduced Chicago police’s ability to make stops and searches, Windy City killings jumped 58% as street stops fell 82% in 2016, according to University of Utah research.

Similarly, Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby’s 2015 weak case against the cops in the Freddie Gray incident (all charges were later dropped or ended in acquittal), and her hostility toward the cases police sent to her office, demoralized officers and deterred proactive policing.
The thread premise is a lie.
Yes. Of any developed nation, we have far more homicides than anyone else because we have more guns than anyone else. And republicans are fine with that.
Democrats are the ones who are doing the vast majority of the murdering. The black portion of your party is responsible for more than half of all murders. That doesnt even include the white collection of violent weirdos that your party is responsible for. I half to imagine that 80% of all murders are left wingers.
Meanwhile back in reality, the fact is that we have far more murders than any other developed nation....and the GOP is just fine with it. Nobody really can articulate why.


I just articulated why....you idiot. The democrat party releases known, repeat, violent gun offenders over and over again...it is these criminals who create our gun crime in democrat party controlled cities...

Then, the democrat party war against the police keeps the police in their squad cars, responding to only the most extreme calls, rather than breaking up criminals before they murder people.....

that's why.....

You don't care about the truth, you just want to ban guns by taking them away from people who don't commit any crime...

That is why you are a moron.

No one commits a crime, until they do.


Actually, this is not accurate, and it is intended to lie about murder and who commits murder....

The Criminology of Firearms

In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.


While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies.

Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
The reality is that Trump is responsible for the increasing violence in our country.
Trump's history of inciting violence in words and tweets: A ...
https://www.vox.com › trump-violence-tweets-racist-hat...

Jan 9, 2021 — From 2015 to 2021, a comprehensive history of Donald Trump encouraging hate groups and political violence — from his messaging at rallies, ...


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The Democrat party and their catch and release policies for violent criminals, and their war on police is creating gun crime, sex crimes, and all the other crimes you see exploding in democrat party controlled cities...
Maybe in all major cities where poverty is rampant, and Trump's divisive behavior has certainly encouraged an increase in crime, no doubt. Your opinion is well taken, but read before you make it the rule.
Virtually all the crime is being committed by left wingers. How exactly is this Trumps fault?

Meanwhile back in reality, the FBI has charged 300+ blob supporters with crimes in one place on one day--the US Capitol.
 

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Crime over the last year has gone up. Why? The democrat party.

No, it isn't due to guns.

No, it isn't due to legal gun owners.

The democrat party and its policies....releasing repeat violent offenders over and over again, and their war on police......have created increasing crime across the country....

Last year, the United States tallied more than 20,000 murders — the highest total since 1995 and 4,000 more than in 2019. Preliminary FBI data for 2020 points to a 25% surge in murders — the largest single year increase since the agency began publishing uniform data in 1960.

Policing is to blame, or rather the lack of it.

In the wake of the May and June unrest,
public officials’ decisions and growing hostility toward policing left law enforcement demoralized, debilitated and, in some cases, defunded. Even the most dedicated officers who now face a greater risk of being sued, fired or prosecuted for doing their job feel pressure to pull back.

The message from a new wave of progressive prosecutors is clear: making arrests for drug and weapons crimes that will go unprosecuted exposes officers to the risk of disciplinary action, lawsuits and criminal prosecution. To mitigate that risk, police take a more passive approach.


Data shows a precipitous decline in law enforcement activity from last June through this February. We found that across the 10 major cities we studied, deadly violence rose as engaged policing fell. Cities that cut (or threaten to) police budgets often saw the largest drops in active policing and the increases in homicide.



What are the stats?

After the George Floyd protests started in New York City, the New York Police Department logged 45,000 fewer arrests from June to December — a 38% decline while the Big Apple added more than 100 additional homicides (a 58% increase).

From June through the end of this February, Chicago’s police made 31,000 fewer arrests — a 53% decline as murders rose 65%. In Louisville, where massive unrest included the shooting of two police officers during a protest, homicides jumped 87% as the police made 35% fewer vehicle stops since June while arrests plummeted 42% during summer months compared with 2019.

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Already bloody St. Louis hit a 50-year homicide high, a rate of 87 per 100,000 residents — a rate three times higher than Mexico and Central America. As Milwaukee announced slashing 120 officers from its police force, the city saw a 98% increase in killings
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In 2015, when an ACLU lawsuit reduced Chicago police’s ability to make stops and searches, Windy City killings jumped 58% as street stops fell 82% in 2016, according to University of Utah research.

Similarly, Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby’s 2015 weak case against the cops in the Freddie Gray incident (all charges were later dropped or ended in acquittal), and her hostility toward the cases police sent to her office, demoralized officers and deterred proactive policing.
The thread premise is a lie.
Yes. Of any developed nation, we have far more homicides than anyone else because we have more guns than anyone else. And republicans are fine with that.
Democrats are the ones who are doing the vast majority of the murdering. The black portion of your party is responsible for more than half of all murders. That doesnt even include the white collection of violent weirdos that your party is responsible for. I half to imagine that 80% of all murders are left wingers.
Meanwhile back in reality, the fact is that we have far more murders than any other developed nation....and the GOP is just fine with it. Nobody really can articulate why.


I just articulated why....you idiot. The democrat party releases known, repeat, violent gun offenders over and over again...it is these criminals who create our gun crime in democrat party controlled cities...

Then, the democrat party war against the police keeps the police in their squad cars, responding to only the most extreme calls, rather than breaking up criminals before they murder people.....

that's why.....

You don't care about the truth, you just want to ban guns by taking them away from people who don't commit any crime...

That is why you are a moron.

No one commits a crime, until they do.


Actually, this is not accurate, and it is intended to lie about murder and who commits murder....

The Criminology of Firearms

In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.


While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies.

Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
The reality is that Trump is responsible for the increasing violence in our country.
Trump's history of inciting violence in words and tweets: A ...
https://www.vox.com › trump-violence-tweets-racist-hat...

Jan 9, 2021 — From 2015 to 2021, a comprehensive history of Donald Trump encouraging hate groups and political violence — from his messaging at rallies, ...


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The Democrat party and their catch and release policies for violent criminals, and their war on police is creating gun crime, sex crimes, and all the other crimes you see exploding in democrat party controlled cities...
Maybe in all major cities where poverty is rampant, and Trump's divisive behavior has certainly encouraged an increase in crime, no doubt. Your opinion is well taken, but read before you make it the rule.
Virtually all the crime is being committed by left wingers. How exactly is this Trumps fault?

Meanwhile back in reality, the FBI has charged 300+ blob supporters with crimes in one place on one day--the US Capitol.
How is that relevant?
 

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