Democrat party policies increase crime and gun crime. Law abiding people who own guns do not increase crime or gun crime.

[JoeB131]

Then, let's quit letting the violent non-law-abiding out of prison until they can be trusted to be armed but not dangerous.

We have 2 million people in prison. If locking people up and guns were the answer, we'd have the lowest crime rates in the world, not the highest.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

One more time you asshat...those who kill family members are primarily criminals before they commit that crime, drug addicts or acloholics or people with long histories of crime and violelnce...you dumb shit.

Okay. Problem with that. 100 Million Americans have a Police Record. Discounting children, that's nearly a majority of adults.

So, here's a crazy idea. How about instead of just letting ANYONE have a gun, we scrutinize who can have one and take them away once a red flag has been raised.

Sounds like a good idea. Certainly better than allowing all this carnage so you can... compensate.

But, what about those who never show red flags?

What about the potential for abuse in scrutinizing who can have a firearm?

We have a right to firearms that preexisted the formation of the United States of America. It will never change as long as 300-600 million guns are floating around in civilian hands.

If one cannot be trusted with a firearm, how can that person be trusted to live free in society? If we are not sure who can be trusted, trust everyone and let people protect themselves.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

99.9% of guns are never used to shoot anyone. Quit your lying and distorting.

We are not going anywhere because we have no where else on earth to go. You have MANY OPTIONS, according to YOU. If you wish to live in a gun-free society, it's much easier to find a place that already has it.

There will be no more gun laws. No more gun control. We are clawing back decades of useless gun laws that have done NOTHING.

Actually, with Biden getting in next year and the NRA going broke, we'll get sensible gun laws soon enough.

....over your dead bodies....

Never again.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Then, let's quit letting the violent non-law-abiding out of prison until they can be trusted to be armed but not dangerous.

We have 2 million people in prison. If locking people up and guns were the answer, we'd have the lowest crime rates in the world, not the highest.

We have that many in prison because we have a failed War on Drugs and other statist authoritarian nonsense that needs to end.

We do not have the highest crime rates in the world. What nonsense are you reading???

The evidence is clear that the more we relax gun laws for law abiding, the more we reduce violent crime.

 

[colfax_m]

More guns = More gun crime...

If everyone was law abiding, then no one would care how many guns there were.

But not everyone is law abiding.

Wrong.....normal people with guns did not increase the gun crime rate, so their owning guns isn't an issue....whether they have 1 or 100....

The problem, again, is the democrat party releasing violent gun offenders over and over again....that drives the gun problem in cities run by the democrat party.

Stop that and 95% of all gun crime is stopped......

Mass incarceration. The oppressive authoritarians love it.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

One more time you asshat...those who kill family members are primarily criminals before they commit that crime, drug addicts or acloholics or people with long histories of crime and violelnce...you dumb shit.

Okay. Problem with that. 100 Million Americans have a Police Record. Discounting children, that's nearly a majority of adults.

So, here's a crazy idea. How about instead of just letting ANYONE have a gun, we scrutinize who can have one and take them away once a red flag has been raised.

Sounds like a good idea. Certainly better than allowing all this carnage so you can... compensate.

How about anyone who commits an unprovoked violent crime with a firearm with no question of guilt gets a bullet in the head upon conviction?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

99.9% of guns are never used to shoot anyone. Quit your lying and distorting.

We are not going anywhere because we have no where else on earth to go. You have MANY OPTIONS, according to YOU. If you wish to live in a gun-free society, it's much easier to find a place that already has it.

There will be no more gun laws. No more gun control. We are clawing back decades of useless gun laws that have done NOTHING.

Actually, with Biden getting in next year and the NRA going broke, we'll get sensible gun laws soon enough.

How will you get illegal laws if no one complies?

 

[White 6]

This is the truth.....crime in democrat party controlled cities is increasing because of the policies of the democrat party. Normal Americans who own and carry guns for self defense do not increase the crime rate or the gun crime rate.

That is the truth.

The current rise in violent crime in democrat party controlled cities is directly a result of the democrat party policies on criminals, and releasing them from jail and prison, and on attacking and blaming police...forcing the police to hesitate and stand back...in order to protect themselves and their families from being ruined when they do their jobs....

Stop the democrats and you reduce crime.....allow the democrats to run these cities, and those cities will burn, and more Black children will die...

New York’s top cop is having none of it. After diplomatically agreeing that the city’s surge in violence has several causes, NYPD Chief Terence Monahan offered different, and more direct, causes for the increasing violence including De Blasio’s bail reform.

“A lot of different individuals are on the street that should not be on the street,” Monahan said Monday, noting that inmate releases from Rikers Island due to COVID-19, bail reform and the newly imposed ban on chokeholds contributed as well.


“It has our cops hesitating to enforce some of those quality-of-life issues,” he said, noting that police do not have a problem with the ban on chokeholds, but that other language in the new legislation makes it difficult for officers to make arrests, including using their knees on a suspect’s back.


“The animosity toward police out there is tremendous,” Monahan said. “Just about everyone we deal with is looking to fight a police officer when we make an arrest, so it is vital that we get communities together supporting and speaking up for police.”

That animosity is dominating New York and dozens of other Democrat-run cities across the country.

De Blasio and the city council authorized cutting $1 billion from the city’s police budget. That move was so wrong-headed even Gov. Cuomo mocked him for it. Cuomo has no leg to stand on after his COVID nursing home policy did so much damage.


We’re going through a great unlearning right now, which is manifest in this great unraveling in our largest cities. We learned across about 30 years that more police, smarter tactics, yes more prison capacity, and tougher sentencing all tend to work in concert to reduce violent crime. We learned that looking after broken windows and keeping the streets orderly leads to reductions in violent crime. We learned that community policing can work, and we learned that supporting the police against criminals sends the right message. Violent crime dropped year after year from 1994 to the early part of this year.

NYC's de Blasio Blames Coronavirus for City's Violence, But His Own Top Cop Blames de Blasio and His 'Reforms'

pjmedia.com

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

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It doesn't seem to be obvious to anti-gun extremists who keep making laws that criminals ignore, but make it harder for normal people to own guns....

If it is obvious....maybe you could tell your anti-gun buddies to pay attention to how obvious it is.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.
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Bolsonaro's Brazil, More Legal Guns, Homicide Rates Down Precipitously

In December, 2018, in an article published by the Wall Street Journal, this pronouncement was made. From the wsj.com:

Now, Brazil is set to embark on an experiment that will determine what happens when you loosen gun restrictions in a country battling an overpowering wave of gun crime.

Homicides in Brazil were at historic highs in 2017. They dropped a bit in 2018, as candidate Bolsonaro ran on reform of the gun laws to allow self defense, and reform of the law to get tough on crime. The homicide numbers dropped from 59,000 in 2017, to 51,000 in 2018. President Bolsonaro was elected in October of 2018.

After taking office on 1 January, 2019, President Bolsonaro issued his first decree reforming some of Brazil's extreme gun laws on 15 January, 2019. The drop in Brazil's homicide rate accelerated.
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Early in the Bolsonaro presidency, a Brazilian lawyer prediceted the homicide rate would drop. From ammoland.com:

César Mello, asked that I include information that early reports are showing a 25% drop in Brazil's homicide rate, in the first quarter of 2019. If this trend continues, 16,000 lives will have been saved in the first year of President Bolsonaro's time in office.

The rate reduction was not quite that high. Only 10,000 lives were saved. From wtop.com:

Brazil had 41,635 killings in 2019, down 19% from the prior year and the least number of homicides since 2007, when the so-called Violence Monitor index was launched. It is a partnership between the non-profit Brazilian Forum of Public Security, the University of Sao Paulo’s Center for the Study of Violence, and news website G1, which published the data Friday.

When translated to homicide rates, the rate dropped 17% in 2018, then 23% more in 2019. The population of Brazil in 2019 was 210 million. The rate of homicides per 100,000 was 19.83. That is less than 2/3 of the homicide rate in 2017, which was 30.8.

Are you telling us, you (I suppose as one of the "normal" people) have a problem buying legal weapons for personal home defense and hunting? What did you do that caused this? I cannot think of a single state that does not have hunting. It is not like that here. Are you sure you picked the right place to raise your family? What is it, you are wanting to buy, that they will not let you buy?

You have no idea what you are talking about...but nice try at confusing the issue.

Well, if it is not you or somebody "normal" near you that you are acquainted, who is actually having the difficulty obtaining a weapon. Don't forget, there is always the thug market underground, of course you may have to associate with people you do not like, and if you get one that was stolen, you may lose it without compensation if it is seen by authorities. Wouldn't it just be simpler, safer and more efficient to fill out the paperwork

One more time you asshat...those who kill family members are primarily criminals before they commit that crime, drug addicts or acloholics or people with long histories of crime and violelnce...you dumb shit.

Okay. Problem with that. 100 Million Americans have a Police Record. Discounting children, that's nearly a majority of adults.

So, here's a crazy idea. How about instead of just letting ANYONE have a gun, we scrutinize who can have one and take them away once a red flag has been raised.

Sounds like a good idea. Certainly better than allowing all this carnage so you can... compensate.

But, what about those who never show red flags?

What about the potential for abuse in scrutinizing who can have a firearm?

We have a right to firearms that preexisted the formation of the United States of America. It will never change as long as 300-600 million guns are floating around in civilian hands.

If one cannot be trusted with a firearm, how can that person be trusted to live free in society? If we are not sure who can be trusted, trust everyone and let people protect themselves.

I do not know the solution, but if you do not know some people cannot be trusted with a fire arm, then you have not been around firearms and observed people handling them. I know that I can pass any fire arms background check in the country and have. People who cannot because of their past, I consider in a "tough $hit" category. They should have used better common sense than they did before they got themselves into that category, just like people who lose their license to drive should have used better sense before they put themselves into that category. If one has put them self into that category by their actions, why should I care. You cannot tell who should and who should not, until they do something to prove they should not. My brother-in-law was a CW4 in Iraq. They had to clear weapons and pull trigger into a sand barrel before entering the dining facility. He was behind a female 1LT who ejected a round, pointed into the barrel and pulled trigger, firing one round. Looking embarrassed, she ejected another round, pointed into barrel and fired again. At that time, the CW4 relieved her of her weapon, placed in on safe, removed magazine, racked it back, ejecting another round, locked slide to rear, inspected inside the ejection port to insure no round present and with no magazine in weapon, let the slide go forward, pointed into the barrel and clicked the trigger. The weapon being safe at that time, he pocketed the 1LT's weapon and told her, her his name, rank, unit and that her supervisor could could recover weapon, being held for safety reasons. She and her Colonel came over to his table. Don told him what he had witnessed, justifying his actions. The colonel understood completely, thanked him, accepted the weapon back for the 1LT and told him she would get remedial training before the weapon was returned to her. This is typical of untrained, inexperienced personnel, even in the Army, where everyone is trained at the beginning, but most do not have to carry on a regular bases. As a 1LT, she had qualified on the range for several years, but was a danger to others and herself, due to her retention of training and attention to detail. Some people are not cut out to be trusted with weapons and in civilian society, if proving themself unfit, by their actions in abeyance to laws, and personnal self restraint, should be denied to legal opportunity, as they are a danger to society and them self.

 

[2aguy]

More guns = More gun crime...

If everyone was law abiding, then no one would care how many guns there were.

But not everyone is law abiding.

Wrong.....normal people with guns did not increase the gun crime rate, so their owning guns isn't an issue....whether they have 1 or 100....

The problem, again, is the democrat party releasing violent gun offenders over and over again....that drives the gun problem in cities run by the democrat party.

Stop that and 95% of all gun crime is stopped......

Mass incarceration. The oppressive authoritarians love it.

What are you talking about.........the democrats are not releasing innocent people locked up for their political views, they are releasing repeat, violent gun criminals, with long histories of crime and violence.

The democrat party is lowering sentences for actual gun crimes, and releasing repeat gun offenders over and over again.....you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[justinacolmena]

Democrat party policies increase crime and gun crime. Law abiding people who own guns do not increase crime or gun crime

Law-abiding people who own guns are suddenly criminals under the aforementioned Democrat policies, by which any «legal gun registration» is considered equivalent to a felony record when police officers are dispatched to a call with their guns drawn and ready to shoot and kill the registered and legally armed gun owner at any opportunity.

This is the truth.....crime in democrat party controlled cities is increasing because of the policies of the democrat party.

No doubt. Democrat Party policies are pro-organized crime: ordinary citizens are not allowed to possess or carry Firearms: they are told, in effect, to leave the killing up to professionals, and are they ever the professional chefs and caterers at the CIA.

There is at the same time a Democrat contingent to the CIA and the rest of the Department of State at the federal level, which serves to foster a thriving murder-for-hire market in Democrat-controlled sanctuary cities of the United States.

"International peace motives" often as not serve as the justification for sacrificing (and secretly murdering) U.S. citizens who have spoken out against the international New World Order "powers that be" associated with the Bilderberg Meetings, the Trilateral Commission, NATO, Interpol, etc., etc.

 

[Gracie]

This is the truth.....crime in democrat party controlled cities is increasing because of the policies of the democrat party. Normal Americans who own and carry guns for self defense do not increase the crime rate or the gun crime rate.

One more time, Dick Tiny, 76% of people who are murdered by guns are murdered by friends and family.

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Yes, guns increase the murder rate. It's why we have 14,000 gun homicides a year and other countries that have sensible gun laws have very few.

Yeah? And most of those murders are in atlanta, chicago and detroit. By blacks. Against other blacks.

 

[colfax_m]

More guns = More gun crime...

If everyone was law abiding, then no one would care how many guns there were.

But not everyone is law abiding.

Wrong.....normal people with guns did not increase the gun crime rate, so their owning guns isn't an issue....whether they have 1 or 100....

The problem, again, is the democrat party releasing violent gun offenders over and over again....that drives the gun problem in cities run by the democrat party.

Stop that and 95% of all gun crime is stopped......

Mass incarceration. The oppressive authoritarians love it.

What are you talking about.........the democrats are not releasing innocent people locked up for their political views, they are releasing repeat, violent gun criminals, with long histories of crime and violence.

The democrat party is lowering sentences for actual gun crimes, and releasing repeat gun offenders over and over again.....you don't know what you are talking about.

You have a nutty persecution complex. Innocent people locked up for politics views? Come back to reality.

 

[Meathead]

One more time, Dick Tiny, 76% of people who are murdered by guns are murdered by friends and family.

Family maybe, since so few know who their daddies are. Friends in the hood, who knows?

 

[JoeB131]

But, what about those who never show red flags?

What about the potential for abuse in scrutinizing who can have a firearm?

What about it?

Frankly, it's up to you to prove to the rest of us why you should have a gun, not the rest of us to prove why you shouldn't.

We have a right to firearms that preexisted the formation of the United States of America. It will never change as long as 300-600 million guns are floating around in civilian hands.

Then let's get those guns out of civilian hands. There are no rights, there are only privileges the rest of us think you should have. Any fool who thinks he has "rights" needs to look up "Japanese-Americans, 1942".

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

But, what about those who never show red flags?

What about the potential for abuse in scrutinizing who can have a firearm?

What about it?

Frankly, it's up to you to prove to the rest of us why you should have a gun, not the rest of us to prove why you shouldn't.

We have a right to firearms that preexisted the formation of the United States of America. It will never change as long as 300-600 million guns are floating around in civilian hands.

Then let's get those guns out of civilian hands. There are no rights, there are only privileges the rest of us think you should have. Any fool who thinks he has "rights" needs to look up "Japanese-Americans, 1942".

Guilty until proven innocent?

That's not how it works, nor should it.

The fact that you think there are no rights and point to an FDR (Democrat) policy of denying rights is quite telling.

I think we're done here.

 

[JoeB131]

Guilty until proven innocent?

That's not how it works, nor should it.

The fact that you think there are no rights and point to an FDR (Democrat) policy of denying rights is quite telling.

I think we're done here.

Well, yes, if you can't understand a simple concept, there' really no point talking to you.