Democrat party policies increase crime and gun crime. Law abiding people who own guns do not increase crime or gun crime.

[2aguy]

That's because they shoot their thugs and criminals as a matter of course.

Perhaps we should follow suit. We used to. Is there some reason to collect garbage, and save it?

Um, no. Most of the European countries have abolished the Death Penalty a long time ago. Yet they have nowhere near our crime rates. (Dick Tiny will come on with some NRA spooge about how the UK has more crime, when they don't.)

They have more crime....

Tell me...moron....how is politifact spelled "NRA?"

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

The debate over gun policy has inspired a blizzard of messages on social media, from both supporters and opponents of gu

www.politifact.com

 

[2aguy]

Can we all just take a moment to marvel at the profound wisdom of this statement from the title:

Law abiding people who own guns do not increase crime

No shit.

Then tell your anti-gun buddies....because they keep telling us that regardless of any other factor...

More guns = More gun crime...

And since that is an obvious lie.....as shown by 27 years of actual experience in the United States...you should get your anti-gun buddies to stop saying that.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.


Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.
=============

Bolsonaro's Brazil, More Legal Guns, Homicide Rates Down Precipitously

In December, 2018, in an article published by the Wall Street Journal, this pronouncement was made. From the wsj.com:

Now, Brazil is set to embark on an experiment that will determine what happens when you loosen gun restrictions in a country battling an overpowering wave of gun crime.

Homicides in Brazil were at historic highs in 2017. They dropped a bit in 2018, as candidate Bolsonaro ran on reform of the gun laws to allow self defense, and reform of the law to get tough on crime. The homicide numbers dropped from 59,000 in 2017, to 51,000 in 2018. President Bolsonaro was elected in October of 2018.

After taking office on 1 January, 2019, President Bolsonaro issued his first decree reforming some of Brazil's extreme gun laws on 15 January, 2019. The drop in Brazil's homicide rate accelerated.
-------

Early in the Bolsonaro presidency, a Brazilian lawyer prediceted the homicide rate would drop. From ammoland.com:

César Mello, asked that I include information that early reports are showing a 25% drop in Brazil's homicide rate, in the first quarter of 2019. If this trend continues, 16,000 lives will have been saved in the first year of President Bolsonaro's time in office.

The rate reduction was not quite that high. Only 10,000 lives were saved. From wtop.com:

Brazil had 41,635 killings in 2019, down 19% from the prior year and the least number of homicides since 2007, when the so-called Violence Monitor index was launched. It is a partnership between the non-profit Brazilian Forum of Public Security, the University of Sao Paulo’s Center for the Study of Violence, and news website G1, which published the data Friday.

When translated to homicide rates, the rate dropped 17% in 2018, then 23% more in 2019. The population of Brazil in 2019 was 210 million. The rate of homicides per 100,000 was 19.83. That is less than 2/3 of the homicide rate in 2017, which was 30.8.

 

[2aguy]

"Sensable" gun laws?

Fuck you!!!

Other countries have no freedom.

We need machine guns.

That's the only thing sensable right now, with all these Biden voters burning and destroying everything.

Not sure what's worse, your anger issues or that you can't spell a word like "Sensible" when I already showed you how.

As for "Freedom". We lock up 2 million people when most of the world only locks up a few thousand. We have country of metal detectors, magnetic lock doors, security guards, kids go to school with bullet proof backpacks, we have active shooter drills.

I'm not feeling the freedom.

The problem isn't how many we lock up....you twit......the problem is that the democrat party keeps letting out the most violent, known, repeat offenders over and over again..........if they let them out, they aren't really locked up, you doofus.

 

[2aguy]

This is the truth.....crime in democrat party controlled cities is increasing because of the policies of the democrat party. Normal Americans who own and carry guns for self defense do not increase the crime rate or the gun crime rate.

One more time, Dick Tiny, 76% of people who are murdered by guns are murdered by friends and family.

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Yes, guns increase the murder rate. It's why we have 14,000 gun homicides a year and other countries that have sensible gun laws have very few.

Wrong....again.....

The criminals who shoot family members are not Joe Citizen who comes home from work and murders his wife cause she didn't have dinner ready...

The guy who murders his wife is the guy who has been in and out of jail, is a drug addict or alcoholic who has a long history of violence and police interactions...

And again, with those studies, you hide the fact that they include drug dealers and their customers as "Friends and acquaintances," when they put those stats together...you doofus.

And our gun murder rate for 2018 (last year so far for stats) was 10,263....with the vast majority of those killed.....70-80% being career criminals murdered by other career criminals in cities run by the democrat party...

 

[2aguy]

This is the truth.....crime in democrat party controlled cities is increasing because of the policies of the democrat party. Normal Americans who own and carry guns for self defense do not increase the crime rate or the gun crime rate.

That is the truth.

The current rise in violent crime in democrat party controlled cities is directly a result of the democrat party policies on criminals, and releasing them from jail and prison, and on attacking and blaming police...forcing the police to hesitate and stand back...in order to protect themselves and their families from being ruined when they do their jobs....

Stop the democrats and you reduce crime.....allow the democrats to run these cities, and those cities will burn, and more Black children will die...

New York’s top cop is having none of it. After diplomatically agreeing that the city’s surge in violence has several causes, NYPD Chief Terence Monahan offered different, and more direct, causes for the increasing violence including De Blasio’s bail reform.

“A lot of different individuals are on the street that should not be on the street,” Monahan said Monday, noting that inmate releases from Rikers Island due to COVID-19, bail reform and the newly imposed ban on chokeholds contributed as well.


“It has our cops hesitating to enforce some of those quality-of-life issues,” he said, noting that police do not have a problem with the ban on chokeholds, but that other language in the new legislation makes it difficult for officers to make arrests, including using their knees on a suspect’s back.


“The animosity toward police out there is tremendous,” Monahan said. “Just about everyone we deal with is looking to fight a police officer when we make an arrest, so it is vital that we get communities together supporting and speaking up for police.”

That animosity is dominating New York and dozens of other Democrat-run cities across the country.

De Blasio and the city council authorized cutting $1 billion from the city’s police budget. That move was so wrong-headed even Gov. Cuomo mocked him for it. Cuomo has no leg to stand on after his COVID nursing home policy did so much damage.


We’re going through a great unlearning right now, which is manifest in this great unraveling in our largest cities. We learned across about 30 years that more police, smarter tactics, yes more prison capacity, and tougher sentencing all tend to work in concert to reduce violent crime. We learned that looking after broken windows and keeping the streets orderly leads to reductions in violent crime. We learned that community policing can work, and we learned that supporting the police against criminals sends the right message. Violent crime dropped year after year from 1994 to the early part of this year.

NYC's de Blasio Blames Coronavirus for City's Violence, But His Own Top Cop Blames de Blasio and His 'Reforms'

pjmedia.com

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

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It doesn't seem to be obvious to anti-gun extremists who keep making laws that criminals ignore, but make it harder for normal people to own guns....

If it is obvious....maybe you could tell your anti-gun buddies to pay attention to how obvious it is.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


-----

Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.
=============

Bolsonaro's Brazil, More Legal Guns, Homicide Rates Down Precipitously

In December, 2018, in an article published by the Wall Street Journal, this pronouncement was made. From the wsj.com:

Now, Brazil is set to embark on an experiment that will determine what happens when you loosen gun restrictions in a country battling an overpowering wave of gun crime.

Homicides in Brazil were at historic highs in 2017. They dropped a bit in 2018, as candidate Bolsonaro ran on reform of the gun laws to allow self defense, and reform of the law to get tough on crime. The homicide numbers dropped from 59,000 in 2017, to 51,000 in 2018. President Bolsonaro was elected in October of 2018.

After taking office on 1 January, 2019, President Bolsonaro issued his first decree reforming some of Brazil's extreme gun laws on 15 January, 2019. The drop in Brazil's homicide rate accelerated.
-------

Early in the Bolsonaro presidency, a Brazilian lawyer prediceted the homicide rate would drop. From ammoland.com:

César Mello, asked that I include information that early reports are showing a 25% drop in Brazil's homicide rate, in the first quarter of 2019. If this trend continues, 16,000 lives will have been saved in the first year of President Bolsonaro's time in office.

The rate reduction was not quite that high. Only 10,000 lives were saved. From wtop.com:

Brazil had 41,635 killings in 2019, down 19% from the prior year and the least number of homicides since 2007, when the so-called Violence Monitor index was launched. It is a partnership between the non-profit Brazilian Forum of Public Security, the University of Sao Paulo’s Center for the Study of Violence, and news website G1, which published the data Friday.

When translated to homicide rates, the rate dropped 17% in 2018, then 23% more in 2019. The population of Brazil in 2019 was 210 million. The rate of homicides per 100,000 was 19.83. That is less than 2/3 of the homicide rate in 2017, which was 30.8.

 

[2aguy]

Democrat control will obviously put your house, your business and you life in danger. Blacks, Jews and Hispanics, who all support Democrats, are also hated by Democrats. Unbelievable. If you want safety and prosperity you want Trump. Dems. are all about disloyalty, poverty and chaos.

The OP thinks it is Democrat controlled cities. You think it is the presidency and want trump to protect you. When do you protect yourself? There are apolitical malevolent motherf*ckers out there, that will shoot, stab, bludgeon you as they do not believe in Black Lives Matter. They believe in NO LIVES MATTER, not even their own. If they were running around committing murder and mayhem bare handed, you could take courses in hand to hand combat, the they are not. You need to take courses in weapons, weapons safety, marksmanship, and make that mental change that will allow you to become the fluid warrior that you possible might have to become to protect your life and the lives of those around you, without hesitation, on a second's notice. If it come down to it, the well trained fight better than the adolescent with a new toy. You may have to sacrifice you comfort zone and commit to weapons training and work on the mental part as you learn to have greater awareness of your surroundings, consider situational threats and make a mental plans to meet the threats. You may have to deal with the fact that the Republican party and it's present apparition of Jesus trump cannot save you from reality, nor can the Democratic oafs, that make it to the city councils and mayor-ships. Every trip from your house is an innocent excursion )as it should be), possibly until you forget that it could be the first move to a meeting engagement, instantly requiring proper actions on contact, which are best considered in advance. When you need one, remember, Republicans and Democrats are like Cops, almost never right there, right when need one.

I don't "think" it is democrat policies in democrat cities, I know it is the policies of the democrat party that directly create the gun and violent crime problems in democrat party run cities.......I have listed the policies and examples from the democrat party over and over again...then, guys like you say I shouldn't just post all of the links....you will call it "spam."............you move the goal posts every time.

 

[White 6]

Democrat control will obviously put your house, your business and you life in danger. Blacks, Jews and Hispanics, who all support Democrats, are also hated by Democrats. Unbelievable. If you want safety and prosperity you want Trump. Dems. are all about disloyalty, poverty and chaos.

The OP thinks it is Democrat controlled cities. You think it is the presidency and want trump to protect you. When do you protect yourself? There are apolitical malevolent motherf*ckers out there, that will shoot, stab, bludgeon you as they do not believe in Black Lives Matter. They believe in NO LIVES MATTER, not even their own. If they were running around committing murder and mayhem bare handed, you could take courses in hand to hand combat, the they are not. You need to take courses in weapons, weapons safety, marksmanship, and make that mental change that will allow you to become the fluid warrior that you possible might have to become to protect your life and the lives of those around you, without hesitation, on a second's notice. If it come down to it, the well trained fight better than the adolescent with a new toy. You may have to sacrifice you comfort zone and commit to weapons training and work on the mental part as you learn to have greater awareness of your surroundings, consider situational threats and make a mental plans to meet the threats. You may have to deal with the fact that the Republican party and it's present apparition of Jesus trump cannot save you from reality, nor can the Democratic oafs, that make it to the city councils and mayor-ships. Every trip from your house is an innocent excursion )as it should be), possibly until you forget that it could be the first move to a meeting engagement, instantly requiring proper actions on contact, which are best considered in advance. When you need one, remember, Republicans and Democrats are like Cops, almost never right there, right when need one.

I can handle myself just fine. But what will you do when a gang of hundreds decide you aren't the type of person they like and storm your house. You going to go out in a blaze of glory and kill 12 of them before they get you and your family? If Democrat mayors and governors would be doing their jobs, we wouldn't have to worry about that scenario. But they are actually encouraging anarchist behavior. So you can load up and cut a peephole in your door in your liberal shithole. I'll stay right here where cops and laws are still respected.

I will probably stay right here where the cops and law are basically respected also, but if it ever came down to it, I have considered my home and property as a defensive position. What experienced combat arms guy would not? No, probably many more that 12 would be shot, not necessarily killed, as killing would not be the goal as much as discouraging the attack. A mob is different than an individual assailant or a military style maneuver unit. Use variety of weapons available. Do not forget the shotgun, especially if they have throw-able incendiaries. Do not expend all ammo necessary on each threat target until they lay still all over your lawn. Spread you firepower around to insure the flanks are as dissuaded as the lead elements. Unless they planned and came just for you, they will probably choose easier targets. You do not have to have the best defense on the planet, just better than you neighbors. You should have thought of your actions in the defense, before it became necessary, as far as firing position, fields of fire, areas that offer you cover or concealment, or offer attackers obscured avenues of approach, etc. Just sayin.

 

[White 6]

This is the truth.....crime in democrat party controlled cities is increasing because of the policies of the democrat party. Normal Americans who own and carry guns for self defense do not increase the crime rate or the gun crime rate.

That is the truth.

The current rise in violent crime in democrat party controlled cities is directly a result of the democrat party policies on criminals, and releasing them from jail and prison, and on attacking and blaming police...forcing the police to hesitate and stand back...in order to protect themselves and their families from being ruined when they do their jobs....

Stop the democrats and you reduce crime.....allow the democrats to run these cities, and those cities will burn, and more Black children will die...

New York’s top cop is having none of it. After diplomatically agreeing that the city’s surge in violence has several causes, NYPD Chief Terence Monahan offered different, and more direct, causes for the increasing violence including De Blasio’s bail reform.

“A lot of different individuals are on the street that should not be on the street,” Monahan said Monday, noting that inmate releases from Rikers Island due to COVID-19, bail reform and the newly imposed ban on chokeholds contributed as well.


“It has our cops hesitating to enforce some of those quality-of-life issues,” he said, noting that police do not have a problem with the ban on chokeholds, but that other language in the new legislation makes it difficult for officers to make arrests, including using their knees on a suspect’s back.


“The animosity toward police out there is tremendous,” Monahan said. “Just about everyone we deal with is looking to fight a police officer when we make an arrest, so it is vital that we get communities together supporting and speaking up for police.”

That animosity is dominating New York and dozens of other Democrat-run cities across the country.

De Blasio and the city council authorized cutting $1 billion from the city’s police budget. That move was so wrong-headed even Gov. Cuomo mocked him for it. Cuomo has no leg to stand on after his COVID nursing home policy did so much damage.


We’re going through a great unlearning right now, which is manifest in this great unraveling in our largest cities. We learned across about 30 years that more police, smarter tactics, yes more prison capacity, and tougher sentencing all tend to work in concert to reduce violent crime. We learned that looking after broken windows and keeping the streets orderly leads to reductions in violent crime. We learned that community policing can work, and we learned that supporting the police against criminals sends the right message. Violent crime dropped year after year from 1994 to the early part of this year.

NYC's de Blasio Blames Coronavirus for City's Violence, But His Own Top Cop Blames de Blasio and His 'Reforms'

pjmedia.com

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

View attachment 360461

It doesn't seem to be obvious to anti-gun extremists who keep making laws that criminals ignore, but make it harder for normal people to own guns....

If it is obvious....maybe you could tell your anti-gun buddies to pay attention to how obvious it is.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


-----

Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.
=============

Bolsonaro's Brazil, More Legal Guns, Homicide Rates Down Precipitously

In December, 2018, in an article published by the Wall Street Journal, this pronouncement was made. From the wsj.com:

Now, Brazil is set to embark on an experiment that will determine what happens when you loosen gun restrictions in a country battling an overpowering wave of gun crime.

Homicides in Brazil were at historic highs in 2017. They dropped a bit in 2018, as candidate Bolsonaro ran on reform of the gun laws to allow self defense, and reform of the law to get tough on crime. The homicide numbers dropped from 59,000 in 2017, to 51,000 in 2018. President Bolsonaro was elected in October of 2018.

After taking office on 1 January, 2019, President Bolsonaro issued his first decree reforming some of Brazil's extreme gun laws on 15 January, 2019. The drop in Brazil's homicide rate accelerated.
-------

Early in the Bolsonaro presidency, a Brazilian lawyer prediceted the homicide rate would drop. From ammoland.com:

César Mello, asked that I include information that early reports are showing a 25% drop in Brazil's homicide rate, in the first quarter of 2019. If this trend continues, 16,000 lives will have been saved in the first year of President Bolsonaro's time in office.

The rate reduction was not quite that high. Only 10,000 lives were saved. From wtop.com:

Brazil had 41,635 killings in 2019, down 19% from the prior year and the least number of homicides since 2007, when the so-called Violence Monitor index was launched. It is a partnership between the non-profit Brazilian Forum of Public Security, the University of Sao Paulo’s Center for the Study of Violence, and news website G1, which published the data Friday.

When translated to homicide rates, the rate dropped 17% in 2018, then 23% more in 2019. The population of Brazil in 2019 was 210 million. The rate of homicides per 100,000 was 19.83. That is less than 2/3 of the homicide rate in 2017, which was 30.8.

Are you telling us, you (I suppose as one of the "normal" people) have a problem buying legal weapons for personal home defense and hunting? What did you do that caused this? I cannot think of a single state that does not have hunting. It is not like that here. Are you sure you picked the right place to raise your family? What is it, you are wanting to buy, that they will not let you buy?

 

[colfax_m]

More guns = More gun crime...

If everyone was law abiding, then no one would care how many guns there were.

But not everyone is law abiding.

 

[White 6]

Democrat control will obviously put your house, your business and you life in danger. Blacks, Jews and Hispanics, who all support Democrats, are also hated by Democrats. Unbelievable. If you want safety and prosperity you want Trump. Dems. are all about disloyalty, poverty and chaos.

The OP thinks it is Democrat controlled cities. You think it is the presidency and want trump to protect you. When do you protect yourself? There are apolitical malevolent motherf*ckers out there, that will shoot, stab, bludgeon you as they do not believe in Black Lives Matter. They believe in NO LIVES MATTER, not even their own. If they were running around committing murder and mayhem bare handed, you could take courses in hand to hand combat, the they are not. You need to take courses in weapons, weapons safety, marksmanship, and make that mental change that will allow you to become the fluid warrior that you possible might have to become to protect your life and the lives of those around you, without hesitation, on a second's notice. If it come down to it, the well trained fight better than the adolescent with a new toy. You may have to sacrifice you comfort zone and commit to weapons training and work on the mental part as you learn to have greater awareness of your surroundings, consider situational threats and make a mental plans to meet the threats. You may have to deal with the fact that the Republican party and it's present apparition of Jesus trump cannot save you from reality, nor can the Democratic oafs, that make it to the city councils and mayor-ships. Every trip from your house is an innocent excursion )as it should be), possibly until you forget that it could be the first move to a meeting engagement, instantly requiring proper actions on contact, which are best considered in advance. When you need one, remember, Republicans and Democrats are like Cops, almost never right there, right when need one.

I can handle myself just fine. But what will you do when a gang of hundreds decide you aren't the type of person they like and storm your house. You going to go out in a blaze of glory and kill 12 of them before they get you and your family? If Democrat mayors and governors would be doing their jobs, we wouldn't have to worry about that scenario. But they are actually encouraging anarchist behavior. So you can load up and cut a peephole in your door in your liberal shithole. I'll stay right here where cops and laws are still respected.

The democrats are doing their jobs. Their job is to destroy America. Period.

We are allowing it.

Complaining about it does nothing and debating the trained parrots is useless.

We need a real true counter revolution movement and we really need minority conservatives to step up.

That is their greatest threat. Minority conservatives. They hate them more than Trump, let me put it that way.

It must be awful where you live. I am glad I do not live there, never have, and never will. You should consider if you are truly getting benefits that more than compensate for your community standards, by remaining there. You, no doubt are not aware, but most of the country is not like that, except on right wing "news" stations.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

This is the truth.....crime in democrat party controlled cities is increasing because of the policies of the democrat party. Normal Americans who own and carry guns for self defense do not increase the crime rate or the gun crime rate.

That is the truth.

The current rise in violent crime in democrat party controlled cities is directly a result of the democrat party policies on criminals, and releasing them from jail and prison, and on attacking and blaming police...forcing the police to hesitate and stand back...in order to protect themselves and their families from being ruined when they do their jobs....

Stop the democrats and you reduce crime.....allow the democrats to run these cities, and those cities will burn, and more Black children will die...

New York’s top cop is having none of it. After diplomatically agreeing that the city’s surge in violence has several causes, NYPD Chief Terence Monahan offered different, and more direct, causes for the increasing violence including De Blasio’s bail reform.

“A lot of different individuals are on the street that should not be on the street,” Monahan said Monday, noting that inmate releases from Rikers Island due to COVID-19, bail reform and the newly imposed ban on chokeholds contributed as well.


“It has our cops hesitating to enforce some of those quality-of-life issues,” he said, noting that police do not have a problem with the ban on chokeholds, but that other language in the new legislation makes it difficult for officers to make arrests, including using their knees on a suspect’s back.


“The animosity toward police out there is tremendous,” Monahan said. “Just about everyone we deal with is looking to fight a police officer when we make an arrest, so it is vital that we get communities together supporting and speaking up for police.”

That animosity is dominating New York and dozens of other Democrat-run cities across the country.

De Blasio and the city council authorized cutting $1 billion from the city’s police budget. That move was so wrong-headed even Gov. Cuomo mocked him for it. Cuomo has no leg to stand on after his COVID nursing home policy did so much damage.


We’re going through a great unlearning right now, which is manifest in this great unraveling in our largest cities. We learned across about 30 years that more police, smarter tactics, yes more prison capacity, and tougher sentencing all tend to work in concert to reduce violent crime. We learned that looking after broken windows and keeping the streets orderly leads to reductions in violent crime. We learned that community policing can work, and we learned that supporting the police against criminals sends the right message. Violent crime dropped year after year from 1994 to the early part of this year.

NYC's de Blasio Blames Coronavirus for City's Violence, But His Own Top Cop Blames de Blasio and His 'Reforms'

pjmedia.com

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

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It doesn't seem to be obvious to anti-gun extremists who keep making laws that criminals ignore, but make it harder for normal people to own guns....

If it is obvious....maybe you could tell your anti-gun buddies to pay attention to how obvious it is.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.
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Bolsonaro's Brazil, More Legal Guns, Homicide Rates Down Precipitously

In December, 2018, in an article published by the Wall Street Journal, this pronouncement was made. From the wsj.com:

Now, Brazil is set to embark on an experiment that will determine what happens when you loosen gun restrictions in a country battling an overpowering wave of gun crime.

Homicides in Brazil were at historic highs in 2017. They dropped a bit in 2018, as candidate Bolsonaro ran on reform of the gun laws to allow self defense, and reform of the law to get tough on crime. The homicide numbers dropped from 59,000 in 2017, to 51,000 in 2018. President Bolsonaro was elected in October of 2018.

After taking office on 1 January, 2019, President Bolsonaro issued his first decree reforming some of Brazil's extreme gun laws on 15 January, 2019. The drop in Brazil's homicide rate accelerated.
-------

Early in the Bolsonaro presidency, a Brazilian lawyer prediceted the homicide rate would drop. From ammoland.com:

César Mello, asked that I include information that early reports are showing a 25% drop in Brazil's homicide rate, in the first quarter of 2019. If this trend continues, 16,000 lives will have been saved in the first year of President Bolsonaro's time in office.

The rate reduction was not quite that high. Only 10,000 lives were saved. From wtop.com:

Brazil had 41,635 killings in 2019, down 19% from the prior year and the least number of homicides since 2007, when the so-called Violence Monitor index was launched. It is a partnership between the non-profit Brazilian Forum of Public Security, the University of Sao Paulo’s Center for the Study of Violence, and news website G1, which published the data Friday.

When translated to homicide rates, the rate dropped 17% in 2018, then 23% more in 2019. The population of Brazil in 2019 was 210 million. The rate of homicides per 100,000 was 19.83. That is less than 2/3 of the homicide rate in 2017, which was 30.8.

Are you telling us, you (I suppose as one of the "normal" people) have a problem buying legal weapons for personal home defense and hunting? What did you do that caused this? I cannot think of a single state that does not have hunting. It is not like that here. Are you sure you picked the right place to raise your family? What is it, you are wanting to buy, that they will not let you buy?

Hunting is irrelevant to the issue. Just a reminder.

 

[White 6]

Democrat control will obviously put your house, your business and you life in danger. Blacks, Jews and Hispanics, who all support Democrats, are also hated by Democrats. Unbelievable. If you want safety and prosperity you want Trump. Dems. are all about disloyalty, poverty and chaos.

The OP thinks it is Democrat controlled cities. You think it is the presidency and want trump to protect you. When do you protect yourself? There are apolitical malevolent motherf*ckers out there, that will shoot, stab, bludgeon you as they do not believe in Black Lives Matter. They believe in NO LIVES MATTER, not even their own. If they were running around committing murder and mayhem bare handed, you could take courses in hand to hand combat, the they are not. You need to take courses in weapons, weapons safety, marksmanship, and make that mental change that will allow you to become the fluid warrior that you possible might have to become to protect your life and the lives of those around you, without hesitation, on a second's notice. If it come down to it, the well trained fight better than the adolescent with a new toy. You may have to sacrifice you comfort zone and commit to weapons training and work on the mental part as you learn to have greater awareness of your surroundings, consider situational threats and make a mental plans to meet the threats. You may have to deal with the fact that the Republican party and it's present apparition of Jesus trump cannot save you from reality, nor can the Democratic oafs, that make it to the city councils and mayor-ships. Every trip from your house is an innocent excursion )as it should be), possibly until you forget that it could be the first move to a meeting engagement, instantly requiring proper actions on contact, which are best considered in advance. When you need one, remember, Republicans and Democrats are like Cops, almost never right there, right when need one.

I don't "think" it is democrat policies in democrat cities, I know it is the policies of the democrat party that directly create the gun and violent crime problems in democrat party run cities.......I have listed the policies and examples from the democrat party over and over again...then, guys like you say I shouldn't just post all of the links....you will call it "spam."............you move the goal posts every time.

Post all the links you like. You obviously in a horrible place. Not sure how you got yourself into this situation. You do know, that you will not be able to influence cities far distant to you, right? Nobody even knows who you are. What kind of easily influenced nut balls are you trying to attract? You will undoubtedly have to come out in the open and garner support to you in a leadership position to make a difference, or is that not your style?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

"Sensable" gun laws?

Fuck you!!!

Other countries have no freedom.

We need machine guns.

That's the only thing sensable right now, with all these Biden voters burning and destroying everything.

Not sure what's worse, your anger issues or that you can't spell a word like "Sensible" when I already showed you how.

As for "Freedom". We lock up 2 million people when most of the world only locks up a few thousand. We have country of metal detectors, magnetic lock doors, security guards, kids go to school with bullet proof backpacks, we have active shooter drills.

I'm not feeling the freedom.

99.9% of guns are never used to shoot anyone. Quit your lying and distorting.

We are not going anywhere because we have no where else on earth to go. You have MANY OPTIONS, according to YOU. If you wish to live in a gun-free society, it's much easier to find a place that already has it.

There will be no more gun laws. No more gun control. We are clawing back decades of useless gun laws that have done NOTHING.

The best gun action in the last 20-30 years to stop or reduce violent crime has been concealed carry laws. You know it's true. The statistics have already been posted here and they are indisputable.

Now, to your petty bullshit:

As for "Freedom". We lock up...

That is improper sentence structure (incomplete sentence) and the word "freedom" is improperly capitalized. I'm not sure what is worse--your need to control everyone or your inability to form a complete thought.

 

[2aguy]

More guns = More gun crime...

If everyone was law abiding, then no one would care how many guns there were.

But not everyone is law abiding.

Wrong.....normal people with guns did not increase the gun crime rate, so their owning guns isn't an issue....whether they have 1 or 100....

The problem, again, is the democrat party releasing violent gun offenders over and over again....that drives the gun problem in cities run by the democrat party.

Stop that and 95% of all gun crime is stopped......

 

[2aguy]

This is the truth.....crime in democrat party controlled cities is increasing because of the policies of the democrat party. Normal Americans who own and carry guns for self defense do not increase the crime rate or the gun crime rate.

That is the truth.

The current rise in violent crime in democrat party controlled cities is directly a result of the democrat party policies on criminals, and releasing them from jail and prison, and on attacking and blaming police...forcing the police to hesitate and stand back...in order to protect themselves and their families from being ruined when they do their jobs....

Stop the democrats and you reduce crime.....allow the democrats to run these cities, and those cities will burn, and more Black children will die...

New York’s top cop is having none of it. After diplomatically agreeing that the city’s surge in violence has several causes, NYPD Chief Terence Monahan offered different, and more direct, causes for the increasing violence including De Blasio’s bail reform.

“A lot of different individuals are on the street that should not be on the street,” Monahan said Monday, noting that inmate releases from Rikers Island due to COVID-19, bail reform and the newly imposed ban on chokeholds contributed as well.


“It has our cops hesitating to enforce some of those quality-of-life issues,” he said, noting that police do not have a problem with the ban on chokeholds, but that other language in the new legislation makes it difficult for officers to make arrests, including using their knees on a suspect’s back.


“The animosity toward police out there is tremendous,” Monahan said. “Just about everyone we deal with is looking to fight a police officer when we make an arrest, so it is vital that we get communities together supporting and speaking up for police.”

That animosity is dominating New York and dozens of other Democrat-run cities across the country.

De Blasio and the city council authorized cutting $1 billion from the city’s police budget. That move was so wrong-headed even Gov. Cuomo mocked him for it. Cuomo has no leg to stand on after his COVID nursing home policy did so much damage.


We’re going through a great unlearning right now, which is manifest in this great unraveling in our largest cities. We learned across about 30 years that more police, smarter tactics, yes more prison capacity, and tougher sentencing all tend to work in concert to reduce violent crime. We learned that looking after broken windows and keeping the streets orderly leads to reductions in violent crime. We learned that community policing can work, and we learned that supporting the police against criminals sends the right message. Violent crime dropped year after year from 1994 to the early part of this year.

NYC's de Blasio Blames Coronavirus for City's Violence, But His Own Top Cop Blames de Blasio and His 'Reforms'

pjmedia.com

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

View attachment 360461

It doesn't seem to be obvious to anti-gun extremists who keep making laws that criminals ignore, but make it harder for normal people to own guns....

If it is obvious....maybe you could tell your anti-gun buddies to pay attention to how obvious it is.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


-----

Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.
=============

Bolsonaro's Brazil, More Legal Guns, Homicide Rates Down Precipitously

In December, 2018, in an article published by the Wall Street Journal, this pronouncement was made. From the wsj.com:

Now, Brazil is set to embark on an experiment that will determine what happens when you loosen gun restrictions in a country battling an overpowering wave of gun crime.

Homicides in Brazil were at historic highs in 2017. They dropped a bit in 2018, as candidate Bolsonaro ran on reform of the gun laws to allow self defense, and reform of the law to get tough on crime. The homicide numbers dropped from 59,000 in 2017, to 51,000 in 2018. President Bolsonaro was elected in October of 2018.

After taking office on 1 January, 2019, President Bolsonaro issued his first decree reforming some of Brazil's extreme gun laws on 15 January, 2019. The drop in Brazil's homicide rate accelerated.
-------

Early in the Bolsonaro presidency, a Brazilian lawyer prediceted the homicide rate would drop. From ammoland.com:

César Mello, asked that I include information that early reports are showing a 25% drop in Brazil's homicide rate, in the first quarter of 2019. If this trend continues, 16,000 lives will have been saved in the first year of President Bolsonaro's time in office.

The rate reduction was not quite that high. Only 10,000 lives were saved. From wtop.com:

Brazil had 41,635 killings in 2019, down 19% from the prior year and the least number of homicides since 2007, when the so-called Violence Monitor index was launched. It is a partnership between the non-profit Brazilian Forum of Public Security, the University of Sao Paulo’s Center for the Study of Violence, and news website G1, which published the data Friday.

When translated to homicide rates, the rate dropped 17% in 2018, then 23% more in 2019. The population of Brazil in 2019 was 210 million. The rate of homicides per 100,000 was 19.83. That is less than 2/3 of the homicide rate in 2017, which was 30.8.

Are you telling us, you (I suppose as one of the "normal" people) have a problem buying legal weapons for personal home defense and hunting? What did you do that caused this? I cannot think of a single state that does not have hunting. It is not like that here. Are you sure you picked the right place to raise your family? What is it, you are wanting to buy, that they will not let you buy?

You have no idea what you are talking about...but nice try at confusing the issue.

 

[JoeB131]

One more time you asshat...those who kill family members are primarily criminals before they commit that crime, drug addicts or acloholics or people with long histories of crime and violelnce...you dumb shit.

Okay. Problem with that. 100 Million Americans have a Police Record. Discounting children, that's nearly a majority of adults.

So, here's a crazy idea. How about instead of just letting ANYONE have a gun, we scrutinize who can have one and take them away once a red flag has been raised.

Sounds like a good idea. Certainly better than allowing all this carnage so you can... compensate.

 

[JoeB131]

They have more crime....

Tell me...moron....how is politifact spelled "NRA?"

Politifact rated the claim as false.


However, before we put too much credibility on these calculations, we should note that criminologists say there is actually no good way to compare violent crime rates in these two countries.

Our rough effort to equalize the definitions improved the quality of the comparison, but what we did is not enough to fix the comparison entirely, said James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern University. "Once you get away from clearly defined terms like homicides, all kinds of problems come in," Fox said. "You have to take comparisons not just with a grain of salt but with the entire shaker."

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

More guns = More gun crime...

If everyone was law abiding, then no one would care how many guns there were.

But not everyone is law abiding.

Then, let's quit letting the violent non-law-abiding out of prison until they can be trusted to be armed but not dangerous.

Let's also end the completely lost, failed "War on Drugs" that has created some of the biggest violet crime monsters ever to have existed.

Let's let people have more freedom to defend themselves with the weapons they feel most comfortable using.

Let's let violent gun crime be more of a risk for would-be perpetrators, and less of a risk for victims.

We have a right to have firearms, PERIOD. That is not going to change. Rather than let the right to firearms hinder safety, why not harness that right and empower law abiding victims? We have PROOF that if it is harnessed, crime goes down.

Simply assuming we can stop criminals from committing violent crime by taking firearms from law abiding people (because criminals will not obey) is the epitome of logical failure, which the War on Drugs and Prohibition BOTH unequivocally demonstrate.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

This is the truth.....crime in democrat party controlled cities is increasing because of the policies of the democrat party. Normal Americans who own and carry guns for self defense do not increase the crime rate or the gun crime rate.

One more time, Dick Tiny, 76% of people who are murdered by guns are murdered by friends and family.

View attachment 360462

Yes, guns increase the murder rate. It's why we have 14,000 gun homicides a year and other countries that have sensible gun laws have very few.

Going back in time is not making your argument dumbass

 

[JoeB131]

99.9% of guns are never used to shoot anyone. Quit your lying and distorting.

We are not going anywhere because we have no where else on earth to go. You have MANY OPTIONS, according to YOU. If you wish to live in a gun-free society, it's much easier to find a place that already has it.

There will be no more gun laws. No more gun control. We are clawing back decades of useless gun laws that have done NOTHING.

Actually, with Biden getting in next year and the NRA going broke, we'll get sensible gun laws soon enough.