Democrat Arguement: The World Is Better With War In Ukraine...

[Rigby5]

The same old fallacy. GOPERS and Trumplins thinking Putin a slave to US politics. Not too bright for a political chic.

Wrong.
Putin has nothing at all to do with it, and anyone in his position would have to invade any country that did the things Kyiv did, like murdering ethnic Russians, stealing Russian oil, violating treaties with Russia, trying to put NATO nukes on Russia's border, etc.
It was US politicians who took over the Ukraine in 2014 and paid for the coup.

 

[Rigby5]

"Yes the world is a much better place with the Ukraine under Russian control."

The world would be a much better place with you under the control of that 'special jacket,' the one with extra long sleeves ethat buckle in the back.

If you look at Ukraine history, you see that Holocaust survivors say over 80% of Hitler's death camp guards were Ukrainians.
If you go back further, is it even worse, with Cossack hordes and Scythian origins.
There are good reasons every one ganged up on them and defeated them in the 1700s.
The Ukrainians are ultra racist, bigoted, and nationalistic.

In contrast, the Russians are multi cultural and never profit motivated.
For example, they did not want a cent for helping the Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Cubans, Syrians, Iranians, etc.

 

[Moonglow]

No, reality is too painful and ugly. Far better to be an ignorant irresponsible football fan, happily fat, useless, and clueless right up until the Khazar tortures you to death after killing your children in front of you. (Yes, within the last century, Russians suffered that at the hands of the same Khazar Jews in power in the Ukraine--thanks to us--now)

Sounds like a personal problem.

 

[White 6]

Did I miss something???


Where is the 'fallacy' you invented???



Now....your post: I suppose one option is to change the subject when you have egg on your face:
a. Did Putin, according to the OP, wait for the Democrats before starting the war?
b. Were the Russians afraid to do so when Trump, far stronger and far smarter than the Democrats, was President?
c. Do the Democrats have over a century of history of starting wars, and getting America engaged in wars?
d. This:
Let's remind all the mindless....you......of Trump's five Nobel nominations for peace in the Middle East, quieting of North Korea, no invasions by Russia, keeping Iran guessing, having the courage to move our embassy to Jerusalem, forcing Mexico to keep invaders on their side of the border, sending ships through the South China Sea that China claimed was theirs, not turning over tons of armaments to the Taliban..........astounding foreign policy achievements that no Democrat can claim.

And that amazing achievement involving foreign policy: American energy independence.
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Now......the IQ test part of this post: who'd you vote for?????

Yes, you miss a lot, as partisans often do, interpreting to match your narrative.
a. You only think he was waiting. He has and has always had a plan, though a shitty plan.
b. The Russians were not afraid of Trump, the draft dodger Putin helped put in office.
c. Gulf war 1 was not democrat started. I agreed with it, but it definitely started with a Republican in office. The venture into Afghanistan to get Bin Laden (which I also agreed with) started under another Republican, the Son-of-a-Bush. Son-of-a-Bush also started the long drawn out poorly conceived, sold with lies, long and bloody Iraq war II, where we still have occupying forces today. Neither sides hands are clean on that one or anything else in the Middle East.
d. The worthless draft dodging grandson of a whorehouse monger who left his own country to avoid the draft to military service there, was just a populous tool, got rightfully impeached twice, never got Mexico to build and/or pay for the wall as promised (though he did steal money appropriated by Congress from rebuilding military bases and providing schools for the kids of military service men and women to get it started), sided with Russia against the United States with Putin right beside him, lost his re-election fairly and decisively, then tried to steal the election, to the point of holding a rally in Washington with the goal of sending that crowd to march on the halls of Congress, after trying to coerce his VP to go against the constitution to help him steal the election. Along the way, he had more high level administration figures selected by him, that were indicted on felonies, pleaded guilty or found guilty in court than any 1 term president in the history of the country and presided over the most politically divisive culture wars (often egged on or encourage by himself, even attempting to get the military to go along and support, which they refused, and rightfully so.
Don't bother preaching to me. I know the truth.

 

[Rigby5]

Gulf war 1 was not democrat started. I agreed with it, but it definitely started with a Republican in office. The venture into Afghanistan to get Bin Laden (which I also agreed with) started under another Republican, the Son-of-a-Bush.

So then you were wrong on both wars, the invasion of Iraq and the invasion of Afghanistan.
In both cases we attack innocent countries and governments, violating the UN charter we had ratified in to US law.
We killed at least half a million innocent civilians.

 

[Street Juice]

Sounds like a personal problem.

Yeah, I'm against torturing political enemies to death. I assume, for you, it is a sport. Like those Israelis who bring their lawn chairs to hillsides to watch IDF snipers blowing the kneecaps off unarmed Palestinian teenagers.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yes, you miss a lot, as partisans often do, interpreting to match your narrative.
a. You only think he was waiting. He has and has always had a plan, though a shitty plan.
b. The Russians were not afraid of Trump, the draft dodger Putin helped put in office.
c. Gulf war 1 was not democrat started. I agreed with it, but it definitely started with a Republican in office. The venture into Afghanistan to get Bin Laden (which I also agreed with) started under another Republican, the Son-of-a-Bush. Son-of-a-Bush also started the long drawn out poorly conceived, sold with lies, long and bloody Iraq war II, where we still have occupying forces today. Neither sides hands are clean on that one or anything else in the Middle East.
d. The worthless draft dodging grandson of a whorehouse monger who left his own country to avoid the draft to military service there, was just a populous tool, got rightfully impeached twice, never got Mexico to build and/or pay for the wall as promised (though he did steal money appropriated by Congress from rebuilding military bases and providing schools for the kids of military service men and women to get it started), sided with Russia against the United States with Putin right beside him, lost his re-election fairly and decisively, then tried to steal the election, to the point of holding a rally in Washington with the goal of sending that crowd to march on the halls of Congress, after trying to coerce his VP to go against the constitution to help him steal the election. Along the way, he had more high level administration figures selected by him, that were indicted on felonies, pleaded guilty or found guilty in court than any 1 term president in the history of the country and presided over the most politically divisive culture wars (often egged on or encourage by himself, even attempting to get the military to go along and support, which they refused, and rightfully so.
Don't bother preaching to me. I know the truth.

Who was better for America, Trump or Biden?

 

[White 6]

Who was better for America, Trump or Biden?

Probably neither, but that is who was running, and trump needed to be removed at the ballot box, making Biden the best choice to do that. In the long run, much better to have Joe in office, than to have Donald possibly wreck our constitutional form of government.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Probably neither, but that is who was running, and trump needed to be removed at the ballot box, making Biden the best choice to do that. In the long run, much better to have Joe in office, than to have Donald possibly wreck our constitutional form of government.

....better....

"Probably neither, but that is who was running, and trump needed to be removed..."

Democrats......they use words, but they don't know what they mean.

Better: more attractive, favorable, or commendable


Let's remind all the mindless....you......of Trump's five Nobel nominations for peace in the Middle East, quieting of North Korea, no invasions by Russia, keeping Iran guessing, having the courage to move our embassy to Jerusalem, forcing Mexico to keep invaders on their side of the border, sending ships through the South China Sea that China claimed was theirs, not turning over tons of armaments to the Taliban..........astounding foreign policy achievements that no Democrat can claim.

And that amazing achievement involving foreign policy: American energy independence.

Here's your chance to prove you now understand the word 'better.'

Compared to Biden's........what????????????

 

[PoliticalChic]

Probably neither, but that is who was running, and trump needed to be removed at the ballot box, making Biden the best choice to do that. In the long run, much better to have Joe in office, than to have Donald possibly wreck our constitutional form of government.

"....trump needed to be removed at the ballot box,...."

But he wasn't.....the election was stolen....you know that.

If you are prepared to lie, and claim you don't know........ask me to prove it

You know I can.

 

[White 6]

....better....

"Probably neither, but that is who was running, and trump needed to be removed..."

Democrats......they use words, but they don't know what they mean.

Better: more attractive, favorable, or commendable


Let's remind all the mindless....you......of Trump's five Nobel nominations for peace in the Middle East, quieting of North Korea, no invasions by Russia, keeping Iran guessing, having the courage to move our embassy to Jerusalem, forcing Mexico to keep invaders on their side of the border, sending ships through the South China Sea that China claimed was theirs, not turning over tons of armaments to the Taliban..........astounding foreign policy achievements that no Democrat can claim.

And that amazing achievement involving foreign policy: American energy independence.

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Here's your chance to prove you now understand the word 'better.'

Compared to Biden's........what????????????

Nominations are like indictments. You can indict a ham sandwich but never get it to court, just as Donny never got a Nobel and was scorned worldwide, going down as one of the worst US presidents ever.
I have nothing to prove, nor would you be somebody worthy to prove it too, as I have nothing to gain from the experience.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Probably neither, but that is who was running, and trump needed to be removed at the ballot box, making Biden the best choice to do that. In the long run, much better to have Joe in office, than to have Donald possibly wreck our constitutional form of government.

"In the long run, much better to have Joe in office, than to have Donald possibly wreck our constitutional form of government."

It's almost funny how you Democrats will lie about everything.

You know that you hate the Constitution, and the stolen election proves it.

Take this example:

Under Democrat/Liberal LBJ, the law was passed that deprived pastors 2of their right of free speech.
What possible compelling government interest could this represent????

“The 1954 federal Johnson Amendment prohibits a pastor from talking about candidates from the pulpit in light of Scripture. Thus, based on what a pastor says about an election from the pulpit, the tax code allows the government to tax a church. Consider that in light of the Internal Revenue Service's increasingly vague regulations, and you have a recipe for the censorship of religion. The IRS, through those vague regulations, reserves for itself tremendous discretion and power to decide which churches to punish for violations of the Johnson Amendment and which not to punish.”
Why don't churches pay taxes?


Any reading of the first amendment will prove this to be unconstitutional.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nominations are like indictments. You can indict a ham sandwich but never get it to court, just as Donny never got a Nobel and was scorned worldwide, going down as one of the worst US presidents ever.
I have nothing to prove, nor would you be somebody worthy to prove it too, as I have nothing to gain from the experience.

"...Donny never got a Nobel and was scorned worldwide,...."
Another lie.

Trump kept China, North Korea....and Putin in their place.

"Fiona Hill accidentally reveals that Putin intentionally waited on Trump to leave office to invade Ukraine…​

.... Hill accidentally admits that Putin intentionally waited on Trump to leave office for his invasion of Ukraine because he thought it would go better and he wanted someone more predictable in the Oval Office.

Via Yahoo News:

Russian President Vladimir Putin often became frustrated with President Donald Trump over his lack of knowledge on geopolitical issues, Fiona Hill said, adding that this played into Moscow’s decision on the timing of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

One of the reasons Putin invaded Ukraine with President Joe Biden in the White House was that he expected the US to “sue for peace” and thought it would be better to deal with Biden than trying to negotiate with someone like Trump, whom the Russian leader had “to explain everything to all the time,” Hill, who served as the top Russia advisor on the National Security Council under Trump, said Tuesday at a Chicago Council on Global Affairs event.

“He thought that somebody like Biden — who’s a transatlanticist, who knows all about NATO, who actually knows where Ukraine is, and actually knows something about the history, and is very steeped in international affairs — would be the right person to engage with,” Hill said.
“You could see that he got frustrated many times with President Trump because he had to keep explaining things, and Putin doesn’t like to do that,” Hill said, adding: “Even though he loves to be able to spin his own version of events, he wants to have predictability in the person that he’s engaging with.”

Fiona Hill accidentally reveals that Putin intentionally waited on Trump to leave office to invade Ukraine…​

In an attempt to smear President Trump as an idiot, Fiona Hill accidentally admits that Putin intentionally waited on Trump to leave office for his invasion of Ukraine because he thought it would g…

therightscoop.com


Must be the same reason that Little Rocket Man waited 'til Biden stole the election before starting to test nukes again.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nominations are like indictments. You can indict a ham sandwich but never get it to court, just as Donny never got a Nobel and was scorned worldwide, going down as one of the worst US presidents ever.
I have nothing to prove, nor would you be somebody worthy to prove it too, as I have nothing to gain from the experience.

".... Donny never got a Nobel and was scorned worldwide, going down as one of the worst US presidents ever."


What's really funny is that while America was respected under Trump, the one you called god, Jesus and the messiah, was laughed at world wide.


1. China underscores disrespect for Obama during his visit:

"...Obama downplayed dust-ups involving the U.S. delegation and Chinese security officials during the opening hours of his trip to Hangzhou for the G-20 summit, ....

The early hours of Obama’s trip were marred by confrontations involving Chinese security officials,.... When Air Force One touched down at the Hangzhou airport, Obama was not greeted, as is customary, by a staircase, but had to deplane from the lower level of his 747 jet.

Reporters and U.S. officials were kept away from the welcoming ceremony by a rope line.... When the president’s national security adviser, Susan Rice, and her deputy, Ben Rhodes, attempted to pass under the barricade, they were confronted by a Chinese security official "They did things that weren’t anticipated," Rice later told reporters..."
Obama Downplays Tensions After Skirmishes During China Visit


2. "Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte called Barack Obama a "son of a whore" on Monday as he vowed not to be lectured by the US leader on human rights when they meet in Laos.

The acid-tongued Duterte bristled at warnings he would face questioning by the US president over a war against drugs in the Philippines that has claimed more than 2,400 lives in just over two months.

"You must be respectful. Do not just throw away questions and statements. Son of a whore, I will curse you in that forum," Duterte told a news conference shortly before flying to Laos to attend a summit."
Philippines' Duterte calls Obama 'son of a whore'

3. "Iran’s most recent ballistic missile test, which violates current U.N. Security Council resolutions, comes a day after the international community’s nuclear watchdog organization disclosed that it is prohibited by the nuclear agreement from publicly reporting on potential violations by Iran.

Iranian leaders now say that they are poised to walk away from the deal if the United States and other global powers fail to advance the Islamic Republic’s “national interests.”
Iran Threatens to Walk Away From Nuke Deal After New Missile Test


Iran laughs at Obama....


4. No Respect...he, and you, the world's laughing stock: Obama removes restrictions on Cuba, gets nothing in return. And....he visits, but Raul Castro couldn't be bothered to be at the airport:

" As the plane landed at a rainy Jose Marti International Airport, Mr Obama tweeted: "What's up Cuba? Just touched down here, looking forward to meeting and hearing directly from the Cuban people." The president was greeted by foreign minister Bruno Rodriguez - not president Raul Castro. Instead he will hold talks with his Cuban counterpart on Monday." Obama Arrives In Cuba For Historic Visit

"Both Donald Trump and Sen. Ted Cruz slammed the greeting President Obama and his wife received during their historic touch-down at a Cuban airport, saying the failure of Raul Castro to personally greet them as they exited Air Force One was a slap in the face to America."
www.wnd.com/2016/03/obama-snubbed-castro-fails-to-welcome-air-force-one/#P4htmI3yufsIQ4zM.99

5. "ANKARA, Turkey (AP) —Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said he no longer holds "direct" telephone conversations with U.S. President Barak Obama,suggesting a rift between the leaders who were once close."Turkish PM says he Obama no longer talk directly - Yahoo News





6. "Turkey will refuse to allow a US-led coalition to attack jihadistsin neighbouring Iraq and Syria from its air bases, nor will it take part in combat operations against militants, a government official told AFP" Thursdayhttp://Breaking TURKEY REFUSES OBAMA REQUEST to Use Its Airbases to Fight ISIS The Gateway Pundit





7. “Obama is the weakest of U.S. presidents, he had humiliating defeats in the region. Under him the Islamic awakening happened,” Younesisaidin a Farsi language interview with Iran’s semi-official Fars News Agency. “Americans witnessed their greatest defeats in Obama’s era: Terrorism expanded, [the] U.S. had huge defeats under Obama [and] that is why they want to compromise with Iran,” Younesi said.

The criticism of Obama echoes comments made recently byotherworld leaders and even former members of the president’s own staff,such asFormer Defense Secretary Robert Gates. Top Iranian Official: Obama is ‘The Weakest of U.S. Presidents’





8. "GUMMING UP THE WORKS: Obama blasted for chewing gum during visit with Indian prime minister
Obama, who has been caught before munching on gum during high-profile political events, was taken to task by the country’s largest newspaper after he was spotted taking a piece out of his mouth during the annual Republic Day parade."
Obama blasted for chewing gum during visit with Indian PM



9. "It would be one thing had the president brought in a successful test anywhere. But his — and Secretary of State Clinton’s — “reset” with Russia has been greeted with aggression from President Putin and his camarilla. The “pivot” to Asia has turned into a palsied pirouette and been unmasked as cover for fading from the Middle East. The redlines in Syria have been erased. Libya, Yemen, Venezuela are wrecks. Afghanistan is teetering to the Taliban, while Mr. Obama’s withdrawal has left Iraq at the mercy of Iran and the Islamic State."The Obama Doctrine



10. “Saudi Arabia and its Persian Gulf neighbors have been optimistic about Mr. Trump’s presidency, largely because of their deep frustration at what they called Mr. Obama’s refusal to forcefully engage in Middle Eastern issues like the war in Syria. They are encouraged by Mr. Trump’s business background, his lack of interest in human rights and, most importantly, his vow to take a hard line against Iran.

They were happy to see Obama go,” Bruce Riedel, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, said of the Saudis. Mr. Riedel said the kingdom had lost confidence in Mr. Obama "

Trump Meets Saudi Prince as U.S. and Kingdom Seek Warmer Relations (Published 2017)

The president hosted Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia for lunch at the White House, moving to forge a closer relationship with the kingdom.

www.nytimes.com

11. " Obama's administration has been working behind the scenes for months to forge a new working relationship with Russia, despite the fact that Russian President Vladimir Putin has shown little interest in repairing relations with Washington or halting his aggression in neighboring Ukraine." Inside Obama’s Secret Outreach to Russia



12. "Of course, the contempt that world leaders are expressing toward Barack Obama is partly the result of his lame duck status. But it is more than that: he is a widely detested lame duck, viewed by most as both arrogant and unreliable.

Remember the days when Obama promised us a smart foreign policy? Instead, he has thrown away our hard-fought victory in Iraq, strengthened Iran’s mullahs in a quixotic effort to form an alliance with them, and alienated our staunchest allies, like Great Britain and Israel, while abandoning others, like the Sunni Gulf States, all while accomplishing nothing. Small wonder that as he prepares to leave office, the predominant reaction around the world is, good riddance." Disrespecting Obama

13. How about the way the Brits spit in Obama’s eye in the Brexit vote:​

“Backlash after Barack Obama EU referendum intervention” Backlash after Barack Obama EU referendum intervention

And….

14. The Israelis after Obama sent his minions to sink Netanyahu:

“Obama's shocking interference into Israel's election process The Obama presidential election team has set up camp in Tel Aviv with the mission to defeat Netanyahu in our upcoming election.” Obama's shocking interference into Israel's election process

Guess who they voted for.



15. “Give Trump credit for USA getting the World Cup

· …Former U.S. Soccer president Sunil Gulati. He said before President Obama was elected in 2008 that a Democratic president would give a U.S. World Cup bid the greatest chance of success.

· Obama came out strongly for the U.S. World Cup campaign for 2018 and 2022 as well, getting chummy with Sepp Blatter, writing letters to and meeting with the soccer politician – …. Russia got 2018 when it was decided that event would go to a European candidate and Qatar came from nowhere to steal away 2022, leaving Obama to receive a consolation phone call

· As this all relates to sports, scorecards are appropriate. And as much as Obama had charisma that stretched far beyond American borders, that never translated into votes for big athletic extravaganzas. On that front it’s Trump 2, Obama 0.

· Obama went to bat hard for his hometown of Chicago as it tried to stage the 2016 Olympics. He held an event on the White House lawn and flew to Copenhagen in an attempt to sway the vote, but the Windy City came last out of four candidates as the voters opted for Rio de Janeiro instead.” Give Trump credit for USA getting the World Cup

16. "Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) took aim at former President Barack Obama this week, stating that his administration took on “bad” policies rather than embodying the “hope and change” his campaign promised.

“We can’t be only upset with Trump,” Omar told Politico magazine in an interview published Friday. “His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was.”

Omar cited the former president’s “caging of kids” along the Mexican border and “droning of countries around the world.” “That’s not what we should be looking for anymore,” she said. “We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.” A spokesman for Obama reportedly declined to respond to Rep. Omar’s comments."
Ilhan Omar: Obama Administration Also Had ‘Really Bad Policies’

17. “Obama, Trump Tie as Most Admired Man in 2019”​

Obama, Trump Tie as Most Admired Man in 2019

Barack Obama and Donald Trump tie as the most admired man this year. Michelle Obama remains the most admired woman.

news.gallup.com

Smarter than the average Obama voter.....


Obama also had really bad policies. They just were more polished.

Obama “caging of kids” along the Mexi
can border

Obama “droning of countries around the world.”

We don’t want Obama to get away with murder because they are polished.

We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind Obama's pretty face and the smile.



Whatever you post......the very opposite is true.

 

[Rigby5]

Probably neither, but that is who was running, and trump needed to be removed at the ballot box, making Biden the best choice to do that. In the long run, much better to have Joe in office, than to have Donald possibly wreck our constitutional form of government.

Except that as much as I am a far left, progressive, liberal, Trump was better because he cost less and started no illegal wars.
The only significant bad thing Trump did was the SCOTUS nominations.

 

[jbrownson0831]

One variation on the argument that the world is better with a nuclear armed Iran.

And you voted for them?????

"Fiona Hill accidentally reveals that Putin intentionally waited on Trump to leave office to invade Ukraine…​

.... Hill accidentally admits that Putin intentionally waited on Trump to leave office for his invasion of Ukraine because he thought it would go better and he wanted someone more predictable in the Oval Office.

Via Yahoo News:

Fiona Hill accidentally reveals that Putin intentionally waited on Trump to leave office to invade Ukraine…

In an attempt to smear President Trump as an idiot, Fiona Hill accidentally admits that Putin intentionally waited on Trump to leave office for his invasion of Ukraine because he thought it would g…

therightscoop.com

Must be the same reason that Little Rocket Man waited 'til Biden stole the election before starting to test nukes again.

Dem bank accounts are certainly better....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nominations are like indictments. You can indict a ham sandwich but never get it to court, just as Donny never got a Nobel and was scorned worldwide, going down as one of the worst US presidents ever.
I have nothing to prove, nor would you be somebody worthy to prove it too, as I have nothing to gain from the experience.

Reminder: everything I post is linked, sourced and documented, while you have effortlessly become our best source of Greenhouse gases.

 

[Rigby5]

Nominations are like indictments. You can indict a ham sandwich but never get it to court, just as Donny never got a Nobel and was scorned worldwide, going down as one of the worst US presidents ever.
I have nothing to prove, nor would you be somebody worthy to prove it too, as I have nothing to gain from the experience.

Wrong.
Biden already is much worse then Trump because he is illegally throwing away billions on the Ukraine.
And Clinton was also worse since he started the illegal War on Drug and the federal crime bill, with illegal things like sentence mandates.
Obama was also bad because he mandated private health insurance with ACA.
As bad as Trump was, the dems were worse.
You are just using partisan blinders.
Think back, who was guilty of Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc.?
The dems are just as guilty as the republicans.
No party has a right to claim any superiority.

 

[White 6]

Reminder: everything I post is linked, sourced and documented, while you have effortlessly become our best source of Greenhouse gases.

 

[Rigby5]

3. "Iran’s most recent ballistic missile test, which violates current U.N. Security Council resolutions, comes a day after the international community’s nuclear watchdog organization disclosed that it is prohibited by the nuclear agreement from publicly reporting on potential violations by Iran.

Wrong.
There is no UN Security Council resolution regulating anything about missiles.
Any one can have or test anything they want.

The only restrictions in the past were a voluntary ones that Iran agreed to since we were bribing them.
Once we stopped bribing them, they no longer had any reason to stop testing anymore.