Declaration of Independence and Colonial America: The colonies finding their footing and building institutions & "Reflecting on the Revolution"

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C-SPAN: Great intro piece. Haven't had time yet to view and listen to the whole thing. So why am I posting this now?

Because what caught my attention most, is the intro. I've been a serious student of British colonials in North America.

Christopher DeMuth He mentions Levi Preston.

"When Ronald Reagan took office in 1981, DeMuth joined the Reagan administration as administrator for information and regulatory affairs at the Office of Management and Budget and executive director of the Presidential Task Force on Regulatory Relief. He was known as Reagan's 'deregulation czar."'"

I have a link to a fuller context of what is being referred to:

Reflecting on the Revolution
Posted Wednesday, July 7, 2021


By Dwayne Walls Jr., Columnist

On this past Sunday we celebrated our 245th year of independence from British kings. In the spirit of the day I would like to share some words from a man who was there at the start of the fight.

Sixty-seven years after Lexington and Concord, 91-year-old Levi Preston, who was from Danvers, Massachusetts, and who had been a Minute Man, was interviewed by a young Dartmouth student named Mellen Chamberlain about the so-called English oppressions that had caused the war. By the time of Chamberlain’s interview in 1842, Preston had come to be regarded as an historical oddity and living relic of the past.

“Captain Preston,” asked Chamberlain, “why did you go to the Concord Fight, the 19th of April, 1775?”

“Why did I go?”

“Yes, my histories tell me that you men of the Revolution took up arms against ‘intolerable oppressions.’ What were they?”

“I didn’t feel them.”

“What, were you not oppressed by the Stamp Act?”

“I never saw one of those stamps, and always understood Governor Bernard put them all in Castle William [in the harbor]. I am certain I never paid a penny for one of them.”

“Well then, what about the Tea Tax?”

“Tea Tax! I never drank a cup of the stuff; the boys threw it all overboard.”

“Then I suppose you were reading Sydney and Locke about the eternal principles of liberty?”

“Never heard of ‘em. We read only the Bible, the Catechism, Watt’s Psalms and Hymns and the Almanac.”

“Well, then, what was the matter? And what did you mean in going to fight?”

“Young man,” said Preston, “What we meant in going for those Redcoats was this: we always had governed ourselves, and we always meant to govern ourselves. They didn’t mean we should.”

Here we see the cause of the American Revolution laid bare. Strip away the lustrous veneer of 18th Century notions like Rationalism and Enlightenment and we see once again that “all politics is local,” to quote the former Speaker of the House, Thomas “Tip” O’Neil.
 
Myths are important, but taking them literally as many people do with .. well you know, it keeps one deaf, dumb, and blind to facts, truth, reality.

deaf dumb blind guy.webp
 
All I can say is "well worth watching or listening to." I have some criticisms and some praise, but will hold that back for a discussion elsewhere. Colonial North America is an intellectual obsession, Most of my roots in North America go back to colonists/settlers, not immigrants to a new nation.
 
It’s an old story, repeated many times throughout history. That of the oppressed rising up against their oppressor.

What’s most ironic in my opinion is Americans today are subject to far more oppression from our government than the colonists suffered under the King, yet few speak of it or act against it. We have a government that by law is supposed to protect our rights, yet it constantly and blatantly violates them.
 
great video - and Dante has "I have some criticisms and some praise, but will hold that back for a discussion elsewhere."

It's well worth viewing, if only to grasp a few things Dante has posted on. Some of us have an intellectual side that values academic research into the history vs partisan attempts to revise and rewrite things to create or support myths that then support partisan political and ideological mindsets.

The panel itself is stacked with political conservatives.
Panel in this video:

Danielle Allen Professor Harvard University | Government Department

Christopher C. DeMuth Distinguished Fellow Heritage Foundation | American Thought

Yuval Levin Director American Enterprise Institute | Social Cultural and Constitutional Studies

Richard "Rich" A. Lowry Editor in Chief National Review

It's:

Declaration of Independence and Colonial America​

The Calvin Coolidge Presidential Foundation hosted a day-long conference at the Library of Congress to reflect on the Declaration of Independence as the nation moves toward its 250th anniversary in 2026. This conversation focused on the Declaration and Colonial America

John Calvin Coolidge Jr. ( July 4, 1872 – January 5, 1933) was the 30th president of the United States, serving from 1923 to 1929. A Republican lawyer from Massachusetts, he previously served as the 29th vice president from 1921 to 1923 under President Warren G. Harding, and as the 48th governor of Massachusetts from 1919 to 1921. Coolidge gained a reputation as a small-government conservative with a taciturn personality and dry sense of humor that earned him the nickname "Silent Cal".
 
It’s an old story, repeated many times throughout history. That of the oppressed rising up against their oppressor.

What’s most ironic in my opinion is Americans today are subject to far more oppression from our government than the colonists suffered under the King, yet few speak of it or act against it. We have a government that by law is supposed to protect our rights, yet it constantly and blatantly violates them.
Whatever you are speaking about, it has absolutely nothing, zero, zilch to do with this thread and the video.

Do you even read/view/listen to what you are replying to? I have to doubt that. Did you even read the interview snippet with Preston?

Sixty-seven years after Lexington and Concord, 91-year-old Levi Preston, who was from Danvers, Massachusetts, and who had been a Minute Man

Please try and keep up, and do not take this thread into some partisan political or ideological rant direction. That's called hijacking.
 
C-SPAN: Great intro piece. Haven't had time yet to view and listen to the whole thing. So why am I posting this now?

Because what caught my attention most, is the intro. I've been a serious student of British colonials in North America.

Christopher DeMuth He mentions Levi Preston.

"When Ronald Reagan took office in 1981, DeMuth joined the Reagan administration as administrator for information and regulatory affairs at the Office of Management and Budget and executive director of the Presidential Task Force on Regulatory Relief. He was known as Reagan's 'deregulation czar."'"

I have a link to a fuller context of what is being referred to:

Reflecting on the Revolution
Posted Wednesday, July 7, 2021


By Dwayne Walls Jr., Columnist

On this past Sunday we celebrated our 245th year of independence from British kings. In the spirit of the day I would like to share some words from a man who was there at the start of the fight.

Sixty-seven years after Lexington and Concord, 91-year-old Levi Preston, who was from Danvers, Massachusetts, and who had been a Minute Man, was interviewed by a young Dartmouth student named Mellen Chamberlain about the so-called English oppressions that had caused the war. By the time of Chamberlain’s interview in 1842, Preston had come to be regarded as an historical oddity and living relic of the past.

“Captain Preston,” asked Chamberlain, “why did you go to the Concord Fight, the 19th of April, 1775?”

“Why did I go?”

“Yes, my histories tell me that you men of the Revolution took up arms against ‘intolerable oppressions.’ What were they?”

“I didn’t feel them.”

“What, were you not oppressed by the Stamp Act?”

“I never saw one of those stamps, and always understood Governor Bernard put them all in Castle William [in the harbor]. I am certain I never paid a penny for one of them.”

“Well then, what about the Tea Tax?”

“Tea Tax! I never drank a cup of the stuff; the boys threw it all overboard.”

“Then I suppose you were reading Sydney and Locke about the eternal principles of liberty?”

“Never heard of ‘em. We read only the Bible, the Catechism, Watt’s Psalms and Hymns and the Almanac.”

“Well, then, what was the matter? And what did you mean in going to fight?”

“Young man,” said Preston, “What we meant in going for those Redcoats was this: we always had governed ourselves, and we always meant to govern ourselves. They didn’t mean we should.”

Here we see the cause of the American Revolution laid bare. Strip away the lustrous veneer of 18th Century notions like Rationalism and Enlightenment and we see once again that “all politics is local,” to quote the former Speaker of the House, Thomas “Tip” O’Neil.
See how long we’d last if we could only do business in a currency other than the dollar; if we had to convert dollars to pound sterling or yuan
 
Whatever you are speaking about, it has absolutely nothing, zero, zilch to do with this thread and the video.

Do you even read/view/listen to what you are replying to? I have to doubt that. Did you even read the interview snippet with Preston?

Sixty-seven years after Lexington and Concord, 91-year-old Levi Preston, who was from Danvers, Massachusetts, and who had been a Minute Man

Please try and keep up, and do not take this thread into some partisan political or ideological rant direction. That's called hijacking.
I read your OP. Did it not speak of the colonists and the reason they revolted?
 
I read your OP. Did it not speak of the colonists and the reason they revolted?
The colonials were hardly what we know or at any time would call "Oppressed" - they didn't see themselves that way. Hysteria popular screeds aside

Yes, as discussed in the video. And even now you keep ignoring the words of Preston, who was there:

Sixty-seven years after Lexington and Concord, 91-year-old Levi Preston, who was from Danvers, Massachusetts, and who had been a Minute Man, was interviewed by a young Dartmouth student named Mellen Chamberlain about the so-called English oppressions that had caused the war. By the time of Chamberlain’s interview in 1842, Preston had come to be regarded as an historical oddity and living relic of the past.

“Captain Preston,” asked Chamberlain, “why did you go to the Concord Fight, the 19th of April, 1775?”

“Why did I go?”

“Yes, my histories tell me that you men of the Revolution took up arms against ‘intolerable oppressions.’ What were they?”

“I didn’t feel them.”

“What, were you not oppressed by the Stamp Act?”

“I never saw one of those stamps, and always understood Governor Bernard put them all in Castle William [in the harbor]. I am certain I never paid a penny for one of them.”

“Well then, what about the Tea Tax?”

“Tea Tax! I never drank a cup of the stuff; the boys threw it all overboard.”

“Then I suppose you were reading Sydney and Locke about the eternal principles of liberty?”

“Never heard of ‘em. We read only the Bible, the Catechism, Watt’s Psalms and Hymns and the Almanac.”

“Well, then, what was the matter? And what did you mean in going to fight?”

“Young man,” said Preston, “What we meant in going for those Redcoats was this: we always had governed ourselves, and we always meant to govern ourselves. They didn’t mean we should.”
 
The colonials were hardly what we know or at any time would call "Oppressed" - they didn't see themselves that way. Hysteria popular screeds aside

Yes, as discussed in the video. And even now you keep ignoring the words of Preston, who was there:

Sixty-seven years after Lexington and Concord, 91-year-old Levi Preston, who was from Danvers, Massachusetts, and who had been a Minute Man, was interviewed by a young Dartmouth student named Mellen Chamberlain about the so-called English oppressions that had caused the war. By the time of Chamberlain’s interview in 1842, Preston had come to be regarded as an historical oddity and living relic of the past.

“Captain Preston,” asked Chamberlain, “why did you go to the Concord Fight, the 19th of April, 1775?”

“Why did I go?”

“Yes, my histories tell me that you men of the Revolution took up arms against ‘intolerable oppressions.’ What were they?”

“I didn’t feel them.”

“What, were you not oppressed by the Stamp Act?”

“I never saw one of those stamps, and always understood Governor Bernard put them all in Castle William [in the harbor]. I am certain I never paid a penny for one of them.”

“Well then, what about the Tea Tax?”

“Tea Tax! I never drank a cup of the stuff; the boys threw it all overboard.”

“Then I suppose you were reading Sydney and Locke about the eternal principles of liberty?”

“Never heard of ‘em. We read only the Bible, the Catechism, Watt’s Psalms and Hymns and the Almanac.”

“Well, then, what was the matter? And what did you mean in going to fight?”

“Young man,” said Preston, “What we meant in going for those Redcoats was this: we always had governed ourselves, and we always meant to govern ourselves. They didn’t mean we should.”
You can argue about whether the word ‘oppressed’ is appropriate.

“Young man,” said Preston, “What we meant in going for those Redcoats was this: we always had governed ourselves, and we always meant to govern ourselves. They didn’t mean we should.”
 
You can argue about whether the word ‘oppressed’ is appropriate.

“Young man,” said Preston, “What we meant in going for those Redcoats was this: we always had governed ourselves, and we always meant to govern ourselves. They didn’t mean we should.”
Yes. That is discussed by the panel in the video. It's complicated and seriously good thing to learn about.

The colonists just like their cousins back home, were all a bit paranoid and into wild conspiracy theories, because of the century old changes in the structure of government.

It's why I love Hofstadter's piece so much.

 
Re-evaluating the Declaration of Independence on the basis of the recollections of a 91 year old man in the 18th century? I wonder if the recollections of a WW2 Veteran today would have an impact on the U.S. role in the World War.
 
Re-evaluating the Declaration of Independence on the basis of the recollections of a 91 year old man in the 18th century? I wonder if the recollections of a WW2 Veteran today would have an impact on the U.S. role in the World War.
Okie Dokie

I've read similar testimonies of people living during the era.

Go play with your myths and Junior High School Civics and History lessons. Your knowledge of the colonials in North America couldn't even fill a sheet of poop paper

next
 
C-SPAN: Great intro piece. Haven't had time yet to view and listen to the whole thing. So why am I posting this now?

Because what caught my attention most, is the intro. I've been a serious student of British colonials in North America.

Christopher DeMuth He mentions Levi Preston.

"When Ronald Reagan took office in 1981, DeMuth joined the Reagan administration as administrator for information and regulatory affairs at the Office of Management and Budget and executive director of the Presidential Task Force on Regulatory Relief. He was known as Reagan's 'deregulation czar."'"

I have a link to a fuller context of what is being referred to:

Reflecting on the Revolution
Posted Wednesday, July 7, 2021


By Dwayne Walls Jr., Columnist

On this past Sunday we celebrated our 245th year of independence from British kings. In the spirit of the day I would like to share some words from a man who was there at the start of the fight.

Sixty-seven years after Lexington and Concord, 91-year-old Levi Preston, who was from Danvers, Massachusetts, and who had been a Minute Man, was interviewed by a young Dartmouth student named Mellen Chamberlain about the so-called English oppressions that had caused the war. By the time of Chamberlain’s interview in 1842, Preston had come to be regarded as an historical oddity and living relic of the past.

“Captain Preston,” asked Chamberlain, “why did you go to the Concord Fight, the 19th of April, 1775?”

“Why did I go?”

“Yes, my histories tell me that you men of the Revolution took up arms against ‘intolerable oppressions.’ What were they?”

“I didn’t feel them.”

“What, were you not oppressed by the Stamp Act?”

“I never saw one of those stamps, and always understood Governor Bernard put them all in Castle William [in the harbor]. I am certain I never paid a penny for one of them.”

“Well then, what about the Tea Tax?”

“Tea Tax! I never drank a cup of the stuff; the boys threw it all overboard.”

“Then I suppose you were reading Sydney and Locke about the eternal principles of liberty?”

“Never heard of ‘em. We read only the Bible, the Catechism, Watt’s Psalms and Hymns and the Almanac.”

“Well, then, what was the matter? And what did you mean in going to fight?”

“Young man,” said Preston, “What we meant in going for those Redcoats was this: we always had governed ourselves, and we always meant to govern ourselves. They didn’t mean we should.”

Here we see the cause of the American Revolution laid bare. Strip away the lustrous veneer of 18th Century notions like Rationalism and Enlightenment and we see once again that “all politics is local,” to quote the former Speaker of the House, Thomas “Tip” O’Neil.
America was founded on insurrection. It would behoove those clinging desperately to the status quo to remember that.
 
America was founded on insurrection. It would behoove those clinging desperately to the status quo to remember that.
Agreed. Unfortunately we don’t have a strong willed independent minded populace today, willing to fight for liberty. Americans today are mostly a bunch of fat weak and feeble minded people, easily deceived by the ruling elite.
 
Agreed. Unfortunately we don’t have a strong willed independent minded populace today, willing to fight for liberty. Americans today are mostly a bunch of fat weak and feeble minded people, easily deceived by the ruling elite.
Distracted by bread and circuses, or in our case Taylor Swift and TikTok.
 
America was founded on insurrection. It would behoove those clinging desperately to the status quo to remember that.
actually it was not.

Insurrection was the end result of pleas ignored from loyal subjects.

The colonists were very much in danger of losing. Idiots like you better remember that. Building some sort of imbecilic notions of yourself and your friends all based on myths?

cuckoo small.webp

Better to Ask Ashli (if you could), how it all ends.
 

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