Debunking the Biden-Ukraine conspiracy theory

[Rumpole]

Oooooo, the sanctimonious twat says I am dismissed.

Piss off, blowhard.

Grow up.

 

[westwall]

Grow up.

You first, twit.

 

[Rust_Cohle]

Pure bullshit.

Loan Guarantees: The United States, along with other international entities, including the International Monetary Fund (IMF), were concerned about corruption in Ukraine. The U.S., under the Obama administration, did threaten to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees if Ukraine did not take sufficient steps to address corruption issues. This position was supported by many Western governments and organizations.

Concerns about Viktor Shokin: There were widespread concerns among Western officials, including the U.S. government, about Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin's failure to adequately address corruption in Ukraine. These concerns were not limited to Joe Biden but were shared by various officials, including European Union representatives.

Hunter Biden's involvement: While Hunter Biden did serve on the board of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company, there is no credible evidence to support the claim that his position was a result of any wrongdoing or influence by his father. Multiple investigations have not found any evidence of illegal activity or misconduct on the part of Hunter Biden.

International consensus: The push for the removal of Viktor Shokin was not solely driven by Joe Biden or the United States. It was part of a broader international effort, supported by the IMF, the European Union, and other Western countries, who saw Shokin as obstructing anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine.

Official explanations: Both Joe Biden and various Ukrainian officials, including former President Petro Poroshenko, have stated that the decision to remove Viktor Shokin was based on his failure to tackle corruption effectively, rather than any personal or political gain.



Given the congressional grants of military supplies to Ukraine, Trump wanted Zelensky to investigate Biden to help Trump with his campaign as a quid pro quo. Even if there is no 'withhold' threat explicit, what remains in the phone call is still an abuse of power.


Among the reasons Biden threatened to withhold loan guarantees ot Ukraine, because Shokin wasn't investigating corruption, which, by default, includes Burisma.

Another right wing conspiracy theory, utterly destroyed.

No your bullshit fact check is bullshit no surprise there

 

[whitehall]

The mainstream media spends more time covering Brandon's sorry ass than it does reporting on real issues. Everyone knows that Hunter had no experience in the energy industry and used his father's influence to secure a no show job.

 

[Rumpole]

You first, twit.

This is who you are.

 

[Rumpole]

The mainstream media spends more time covering Brandon's sorry ass than it does reporting on real issues. Everyone knows that Hunter had no experience in the energy industry and used his father's influence to secure a no show job.

Siblings often get jobs with the help of famous parents or using their parent's famous surname. This is not a sin.

As for qualifications, I beg to differ.

Hunter Biden has had a varied career that has included roles in law, business, lobbying, and finance.

1. Education: Hunter Biden holds a Bachelor's degree from Georgetown University and a Juris Doctor from Yale Law School.
2. Early Career: After graduating from law school, Biden served as a member of the Jesuit Volunteer Corps Northwest, a faith-based community service organization.
3. Legal Career: He then worked at MBNA Corporation, a major bank holding company, followed by a position at the United States Department of Commerce, focusing on ecommerce policy. Hunter Biden also co-founded the law and lobbying firm Oldaker, Biden & Belair.
4. Investment and Finance: In 2006, Hunter Biden and his uncle, James Biden, purchased the hedge fund Paradigm Global Advisors, marking the beginning of a more pronounced engagement in finance and investment.
5. International Work: In 2013, Hunter Biden co-founded Rosemont Seneca Partners, an international consulting firm.
6. Board Memberships: Beyond his position on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company, from 2014-2019, Biden has also served on the board of several other organizations, including Amtrak and the World Food Program USA.

So, the truth is that Hunter Biden has an extensive background in law, investment, and business

You need to understand that it is not unusual for companies, especially those operating in complex international environments, to appoint board members who can bring a mix of skills and connections to the table. The value board members provide can be in the form of business acumen, industry expertise, legal insights, or political connections and strategic relationships.

There is nothing particularly unusual about a man of HB's resume to sit on boards, which has done in the past, as indicated in the above resume.

 

[HaShev]

I suspect this has been beaten to death, but, of late, I still see a number on the right on this forum promulgating the lie that Biden's withholding of loan guarantees to Ukraine was an attempt to prevent the investigation of Burisma, given that Hunter Biden was on the board.

At issue is this video, (link below) which many on the right falsely believe supports this conspiracy theory. But, context is missing. However, even without the context, there is nothing in the video that supports the claim.

I've seen that video a number of times. There is ZERO evidence the video proves that objective had anything to do with Biden attempting to thwart investigation into Burisma. In fact, the evidence proves the OPPOSITE.

Here are the multiple sourced FACTS.

GOP senator says he doesn’t remember signing 2016 letter urging ‘reform’ of Ukraine prosecutor’s office

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) told reporters Thursday he did not recall signing a letter urging reforms in the office of the Ukrainian prosecutor President Trump has alleged former Vice President Joe B…

thehill.com

““The United States, the European Union, the I.M.F., and Ukraine’s leading reform figures were all pressing for Viktor Shokin to be removed from office because he was one of the biggest obstacles to fighting corruption in the entire country. This was a bipartisan goal in Congress as well.”

The withholding of loan guarantees spoken of by Biden in that video was the incentive to get the Poroshenko/Ukrainian Parliament to fire Shokin, the corrupt Ukraine prosecutor, which was the foreign policy of the United States, and the International Monetary Fund with the approval of Democrat and Senate Republicans, at that time.

Why? Because Obama was wary of providing military support to Ukraine, at the time, given the massive corruption in the Country, and SHOKIN was NOT doing his job to fight corruption and naturally Obama didn't want taxpayer funds misappropriated in a corrupt country.

That is precisely the OPPOSITE of the claim.

What, do you (who believe the conspiracy theory) think a man with 30 years in the Senate would be stupid enough to admit to a federal crime on television? If you do, you are unaware of the facts and haven't thought it through.

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden–Ukraine_conspiracy_theory

The conspiracy theory alleges that then-Vice President Biden withheld loan guarantees to pressure Ukraine into firing a prosecutor to prevent a corruption investigation into Burisma and to protect his son. The United States did withhold government aid to pressure Ukraine into removing the prosecutor, in accord with the official and bipartisan policy of the federal government of the United States. The US government, along with the European Union, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, believed the prosecutor to be corrupt and ineffective and too lenient in investigating companies and oligarchs, including Burisma and its owner. A January 2018 video shows Biden taking credit for withholding the loan guarantees to have the prosecutor fired, acting to implement bipartisan US policy rather than for the reasons the conspiracy theory alleges.

The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story

www.independent.co.uk

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story


Republicans wanted Shokin removed, as well:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/23/gops-hunter-biden-report-doesnt-back-up-trumps-actual-conspiracy-theory-or-anything-close-it/

(Even the GOP chairman of the Homeland Security Committee which spearheaded this report, Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, backed the effort to remove Shokin, saying the “whole world” agreed he wasn’t doing a good job.)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/gop-senators-echoed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.html

The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story

www.independent.co.uk

Wayback Machine

web.archive.org

Factchecking right wing lies

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/30/fact-checking-first-trump-biden-presidential-debate/

(Even the GOP chairman of the Homeland Security Committee which spearheaded this report, Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, backed the effort to remove Shokin, saying the “whole world” agreed he wasn’t doing a good job.)

TIMELINE -Key dates in the U.S. political controversy over Ukraine

Some Democrats are calling for the impeachment of U.S. President Donald Trump over reports that he asked his Ukrainian counterpart to launch an investigation that could damage his Democratic political rival Joe Biden.

www.reuters.com

April 21, 2014: Biden, then vice president, visited Ukraine’s capital, Kiev, in a show of support for the country’s government amid rising tensions with Russia.

May 13, 2014: Burisma Group, a private company that has drilled for natural gas in Ukraine since 2002, announced that Hunter Biden would be joining its board. Around that time, Burisma’s founder, a former government official named Mykola Zlochevsky, was under investigation for alleged money laundering by Britain’s Serious Fraud Office.

Dec. 8, 2015: Biden visited Kiev again and spoke out against bureaucratic corruption that he said was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Biden threatened to withhold loan guarantees unless Ukraine’s top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who had been widely accused of corruption, was removed.

Shokin had investigated Burisma but the probe was dormant at the time Biden pushed for the prosecutor’s termination, Bloomberg reported earlier this year, citing a former Ukrainian official.

March 29, 2016: The Ukrainian Parliament voted to remove Shokin.

Jan. 23, 2018: Biden, at a Council on Foreign Relations event, detailed how he had threatened to withhold funds from Ukraine if Shokin was not removed.

April 2019: Hunter Biden’s term as a Burisma board member expired and he stepped down from the company.

May 16, 2019: Bloomberg quotes Ukraine’s current top prosecutor as saying he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Hunter Biden or his father.

Breaking Alert: Burisma Executive Whistleblower Has 17 Audio Recordings With Bidens -- 15 With Hunter -- 2 With VP Joe --- Kept as Insurance Policy!!

Chuck Grassley just broke the news. Now we know why the Usurper had a root canal today.

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[bripat9643]

Not if the employer is foreign to the employee.

Besides, it's not illegal, no matter how you slice it.

Would you turn down a high paying job because your father was famous, and the jo offered to you to sit on a board, and just give your opinion and vote on company policy?

What "job" was Hunter offered? A bribe is not a job.

 

[bripat9643]

Siblings often get jobs with the help of famous parents or using their parent's famous surname. This is not a sin.

As for qualifications, I beg to differ.

Hunter Biden has had a varied career that has included roles in law, business, lobbying, and finance.

1. Education: Hunter Biden holds a Bachelor's degree from Georgetown University and a Juris Doctor from Yale Law School.
2. Early Career: After graduating from law school, Biden served as a member of the Jesuit Volunteer Corps Northwest, a faith-based community service organization.
3. Legal Career: He then worked at MBNA Corporation, a major bank holding company, followed by a position at the United States Department of Commerce, focusing on ecommerce policy. Hunter Biden also co-founded the law and lobbying firm Oldaker, Biden & Belair.
4. Investment and Finance: In 2006, Hunter Biden and his uncle, James Biden, purchased the hedge fund Paradigm Global Advisors, marking the beginning of a more pronounced engagement in finance and investment.
5. International Work: In 2013, Hunter Biden co-founded Rosemont Seneca Partners, an international consulting firm.
6. Board Memberships: Beyond his position on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company, from 2014-2019, Biden has also served on the board of several other organizations, including Amtrak and the World Food Program USA.

So, the truth is that Hunter Biden has an extensive background in law, investment, and business

You need to understand that it is not unusual for companies, especially those operating in complex international environments, to appoint board members who can bring a mix of skills and connections to the table. The value board members provide can be in the form of business acumen, industry expertise, legal insights, or political connections and strategic relationships.

There is nothing particularly unusual about a man of HB's resume to sit on boards, which has done in the past, as indicated in the above resume.

Only a profound douchebag would attempt to justify this criminality.

 

[bripat9643]

Only a profound douchebag would attempt to justify this criminality.

You need to understand that we all know that you're a crook trying to justify criminality. There is nothing legitimate about Hunter's criminal career. Only a scumbag would attempt to justify it.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

I suspect this has been beaten to death, but, of late, I still see a number on the right on this forum promulgating the lie that Biden's withholding of loan guarantees to Ukraine was an attempt to prevent the investigation of Burisma, given that Hunter Biden was on the board.

At issue is this video, (link below) which many on the right falsely believe supports this conspiracy theory. But, context is missing. However, even without the context, there is nothing in the video that supports the claim.

I've seen that video a number of times. There is ZERO evidence the video proves that objective had anything to do with Biden attempting to thwart investigation into Burisma. In fact, the evidence proves the OPPOSITE.

Here are the multiple sourced FACTS.

GOP senator says he doesn’t remember signing 2016 letter urging ‘reform’ of Ukraine prosecutor’s office

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) told reporters Thursday he did not recall signing a letter urging reforms in the office of the Ukrainian prosecutor President Trump has alleged former Vice President Joe B…

thehill.com

““The United States, the European Union, the I.M.F., and Ukraine’s leading reform figures were all pressing for Viktor Shokin to be removed from office because he was one of the biggest obstacles to fighting corruption in the entire country. This was a bipartisan goal in Congress as well.”

The withholding of loan guarantees spoken of by Biden in that video was the incentive to get the Poroshenko/Ukrainian Parliament to fire Shokin, the corrupt Ukraine prosecutor, which was the foreign policy of the United States, and the International Monetary Fund with the approval of Democrat and Senate Republicans, at that time.

Why? Because Obama was wary of providing military support to Ukraine, at the time, given the massive corruption in the Country, and SHOKIN was NOT doing his job to fight corruption and naturally Obama didn't want taxpayer funds misappropriated in a corrupt country.

That is precisely the OPPOSITE of the claim.

What, do you (who believe the conspiracy theory) think a man with 30 years in the Senate would be stupid enough to admit to a federal crime on television? If you do, you are unaware of the facts and haven't thought it through.

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden–Ukraine_conspiracy_theory

The conspiracy theory alleges that then-Vice President Biden withheld loan guarantees to pressure Ukraine into firing a prosecutor to prevent a corruption investigation into Burisma and to protect his son. The United States did withhold government aid to pressure Ukraine into removing the prosecutor, in accord with the official and bipartisan policy of the federal government of the United States. The US government, along with the European Union, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, believed the prosecutor to be corrupt and ineffective and too lenient in investigating companies and oligarchs, including Burisma and its owner. A January 2018 video shows Biden taking credit for withholding the loan guarantees to have the prosecutor fired, acting to implement bipartisan US policy rather than for the reasons the conspiracy theory alleges.

The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story

www.independent.co.uk

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story


Republicans wanted Shokin removed, as well:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/23/gops-hunter-biden-report-doesnt-back-up-trumps-actual-conspiracy-theory-or-anything-close-it/

(Even the GOP chairman of the Homeland Security Committee which spearheaded this report, Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, backed the effort to remove Shokin, saying the “whole world” agreed he wasn’t doing a good job.)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/gop-senators-echoed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.html

The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story

www.independent.co.uk

Wayback Machine

web.archive.org

Factchecking right wing lies

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/30/fact-checking-first-trump-biden-presidential-debate/

(Even the GOP chairman of the Homeland Security Committee which spearheaded this report, Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, backed the effort to remove Shokin, saying the “whole world” agreed he wasn’t doing a good job.)

TIMELINE -Key dates in the U.S. political controversy over Ukraine

Some Democrats are calling for the impeachment of U.S. President Donald Trump over reports that he asked his Ukrainian counterpart to launch an investigation that could damage his Democratic political rival Joe Biden.

www.reuters.com

April 21, 2014: Biden, then vice president, visited Ukraine’s capital, Kiev, in a show of support for the country’s government amid rising tensions with Russia.

May 13, 2014: Burisma Group, a private company that has drilled for natural gas in Ukraine since 2002, announced that Hunter Biden would be joining its board. Around that time, Burisma’s founder, a former government official named Mykola Zlochevsky, was under investigation for alleged money laundering by Britain’s Serious Fraud Office.

Dec. 8, 2015: Biden visited Kiev again and spoke out against bureaucratic corruption that he said was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Biden threatened to withhold loan guarantees unless Ukraine’s top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who had been widely accused of corruption, was removed.

Shokin had investigated Burisma but the probe was dormant at the time Biden pushed for the prosecutor’s termination, Bloomberg reported earlier this year, citing a former Ukrainian official.

March 29, 2016: The Ukrainian Parliament voted to remove Shokin.

Jan. 23, 2018: Biden, at a Council on Foreign Relations event, detailed how he had threatened to withhold funds from Ukraine if Shokin was not removed.

April 2019: Hunter Biden’s term as a Burisma board member expired and he stepped down from the company.

May 16, 2019: Bloomberg quotes Ukraine’s current top prosecutor as saying he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Hunter Biden or his father.

 

[bripat9643]

Incompetent claim. Lacks substantiation.

Anyone who denies it is a lying scumbag.

 

[bripat9643]

Pure bullshit.

Loan Guarantees: The United States, along with other international entities, including the International Monetary Fund (IMF), were concerned about corruption in Ukraine. The U.S., under the Obama administration, did threaten to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees if Ukraine did not take sufficient steps to address corruption issues. This position was supported by many Western governments and organizations.

Concerns about Viktor Shokin: There were widespread concerns among Western officials, including the U.S. government, about Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin's failure to adequately address corruption in Ukraine. These concerns were not limited to Joe Biden but were shared by various officials, including European Union representatives.

Hunter Biden's involvement: While Hunter Biden did serve on the board of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company, there is no credible evidence to support the claim that his position was a result of any wrongdoing or influence by his father. Multiple investigations have not found any evidence of illegal activity or misconduct on the part of Hunter Biden.

International consensus: The push for the removal of Viktor Shokin was not solely driven by Joe Biden or the United States. It was part of a broader international effort, supported by the IMF, the European Union, and other Western countries, who saw Shokin as obstructing anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine.

Official explanations: Both Joe Biden and various Ukrainian officials, including former President Petro Poroshenko, have stated that the decision to remove Viktor Shokin was based on his failure to tackle corruption effectively, rather than any personal or political gain.



Given the congressional grants of military supplies to Ukraine, Trump wanted Zelensky to investigate Biden to help Trump with his campaign as a quid pro quo. Even if there is no 'withhold' threat explicit, what remains in the phone call is still an abuse of power.


Among the reasons Biden threatened to withhold loan guarantees ot Ukraine, because Shokin wasn't investigating corruption, which, by default, includes Burisma.

Another right wing conspiracy theory, utterly destroyed.

Another giant pile of Rumpole lies.

 

[Lesh]

Biden is guilty of offering Ukraine a quid quo pro. Get rid of the prosecutor or lose the loan guarantees. They tried to impeach and remove Trump for the same thing with asking Ukraine for a favor.

Biden was not “asking for a favor”

He was telling Ukraine to clean up their act if they wanted the loan guarantees

The OP nailed it

 

[berg80]

Only an imbecile would believe Biden wasn't trying to protect his son's criminal behavior.

And there you have it. A mountain of evidence is presented proving your belief to be untrue and there you are ignoring every bit of it. That makes YOU the imbecile.

 

[bripat9643]

Biden was not “asking for a favor”

He was telling Ukraine to clean up their act if they wanted the loan guarantees

The OP nailed it

Biden was carrying out his part of the criminal bargain he made with the people who bribed him. It had nothing to d with cleaning out anything. In fact, it was the oppoisite. He's een caught red handed demanding his filthy lucre for his criminal acts.

 

[Lesh]

Biden was carrying out his part of the criminal bargain he made with the people who bribed him. It had nothing to d with cleaning out anything. In fact, it was the oppoisite. He's een caught red handed demanding his filthy lucre for his criminal acts.

You have an active imagination

 

[bripat9643]

You have an active imagination

No I don't.

 

[themirrorthief]

I suspect this has been beaten to death, but, of late, I still see a number on the right on this forum promulgating the lie that Biden's withholding of loan guarantees to Ukraine was an attempt to prevent the investigation of Burisma, given that Hunter Biden was on the board.

At issue is this video, (link below) which many on the right falsely believe supports this conspiracy theory. But, context is missing. However, even without the context, there is nothing in the video that supports the claim.

I've seen that video a number of times. There is ZERO evidence the video proves that objective had anything to do with Biden attempting to thwart investigation into Burisma. In fact, the evidence proves the OPPOSITE.

Here are the multiple sourced FACTS.

GOP senator says he doesn’t remember signing 2016 letter urging ‘reform’ of Ukraine prosecutor’s office

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) told reporters Thursday he did not recall signing a letter urging reforms in the office of the Ukrainian prosecutor President Trump has alleged former Vice President Joe B…

thehill.com

““The United States, the European Union, the I.M.F., and Ukraine’s leading reform figures were all pressing for Viktor Shokin to be removed from office because he was one of the biggest obstacles to fighting corruption in the entire country. This was a bipartisan goal in Congress as well.”

The withholding of loan guarantees spoken of by Biden in that video was the incentive to get the Poroshenko/Ukrainian Parliament to fire Shokin, the corrupt Ukraine prosecutor, which was the foreign policy of the United States, and the International Monetary Fund with the approval of Democrat and Senate Republicans, at that time.

Why? Because Obama was wary of providing military support to Ukraine, at the time, given the massive corruption in the Country, and SHOKIN was NOT doing his job to fight corruption and naturally Obama didn't want taxpayer funds misappropriated in a corrupt country.

That is precisely the OPPOSITE of the claim.

What, do you (who believe the conspiracy theory) think a man with 30 years in the Senate would be stupid enough to admit to a federal crime on television? If you do, you are unaware of the facts and haven't thought it through.

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden–Ukraine_conspiracy_theory

The conspiracy theory alleges that then-Vice President Biden withheld loan guarantees to pressure Ukraine into firing a prosecutor to prevent a corruption investigation into Burisma and to protect his son. The United States did withhold government aid to pressure Ukraine into removing the prosecutor, in accord with the official and bipartisan policy of the federal government of the United States. The US government, along with the European Union, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, believed the prosecutor to be corrupt and ineffective and too lenient in investigating companies and oligarchs, including Burisma and its owner. A January 2018 video shows Biden taking credit for withholding the loan guarantees to have the prosecutor fired, acting to implement bipartisan US policy rather than for the reasons the conspiracy theory alleges.

The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story

www.independent.co.uk

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story


Republicans wanted Shokin removed, as well:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/23/gops-hunter-biden-report-doesnt-back-up-trumps-actual-conspiracy-theory-or-anything-close-it/

(Even the GOP chairman of the Homeland Security Committee which spearheaded this report, Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, backed the effort to remove Shokin, saying the “whole world” agreed he wasn’t doing a good job.)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/gop-senators-echoed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.html

The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story

www.independent.co.uk

Wayback Machine

web.archive.org

Factchecking right wing lies

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/30/fact-checking-first-trump-biden-presidential-debate/

(Even the GOP chairman of the Homeland Security Committee which spearheaded this report, Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, backed the effort to remove Shokin, saying the “whole world” agreed he wasn’t doing a good job.)

TIMELINE -Key dates in the U.S. political controversy over Ukraine

Some Democrats are calling for the impeachment of U.S. President Donald Trump over reports that he asked his Ukrainian counterpart to launch an investigation that could damage his Democratic political rival Joe Biden.

www.reuters.com

April 21, 2014: Biden, then vice president, visited Ukraine’s capital, Kiev, in a show of support for the country’s government amid rising tensions with Russia.

May 13, 2014: Burisma Group, a private company that has drilled for natural gas in Ukraine since 2002, announced that Hunter Biden would be joining its board. Around that time, Burisma’s founder, a former government official named Mykola Zlochevsky, was under investigation for alleged money laundering by Britain’s Serious Fraud Office.

Dec. 8, 2015: Biden visited Kiev again and spoke out against bureaucratic corruption that he said was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Biden threatened to withhold loan guarantees unless Ukraine’s top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who had been widely accused of corruption, was removed.

Shokin had investigated Burisma but the probe was dormant at the time Biden pushed for the prosecutor’s termination, Bloomberg reported earlier this year, citing a former Ukrainian official.

March 29, 2016: The Ukrainian Parliament voted to remove Shokin.

Jan. 23, 2018: Biden, at a Council on Foreign Relations event, detailed how he had threatened to withhold funds from Ukraine if Shokin was not removed.

April 2019: Hunter Biden’s term as a Burisma board member expired and he stepped down from the company.

May 16, 2019: Bloomberg quotes Ukraine’s current top prosecutor as saying he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Hunter Biden or his father.

it must be hell constantly trying to defend poor old Joey Buyme

 

[bripat9643]

it must be hell constantly trying to defend poor old Joey Buyme

Rumpole has unmasked himself as one of the lowest pieces of shit in this forum, and that's a tough competition.