Death Penalty is Justified

[federalist50]

When these inmates rock and squirm on the gurney when receiving lethal injection....it their fear of Satan's face. They are going down to hell when they struggle. Most have zero remorse. They are savages. Catches up to them on judgement day.


States Find Other Execution Methods After Difficulties With Lethal Injection

God said that if man takes an innocent life, that he should forfeit his own life. That is good enough for me!

 

[Pogo]

In my opinion the real problem with death penalty is that you can execute somebody who didn't commit any crime and you can't fix that...
So maybe it's better if you use life imprisonment than death penalty.
But if you really want death penalty you must choose a "soft" method.
Unfortunately lethal injection can be really painful so it shouldn't be used.
I've heard that hanging and firing squads are less painful. View attachment 124481

Maybe we need a law that says any judge who sentences someone to death will be charged with MURDER if the executed prisoner is later found out to be innocent.

I guess this is impossible because if a judge fears something like that he doesn't sentence anybody to death.
In other words this hypothetical law would be some kind of death penalty repeal

how many times has it happened? who has the stats?

"How many times" is the threshold?

 

[Chuz Life]

Death penalty is no punishment. There is anywhere between one and twenty years between conviction and execution. In the meantime the scum gets three square meals a day, lives in air conditioned room, watches TV and points his/her bloody middle to society.

let them live and PUNISH them, Make them work at hard labor 12 hours a day, Give them nothing but bread and water, Give them no food if they don't work,

If they and their scum living lawyers ***** about cruel and unusual punishment remind them that what got them to where they are was far more cruel and unusual.

Don't execute them. Let them live and SUFFER.

Now that we have DNA to verify guilt, we should be able to eliminate all of these appeals. Maybe cut waiting times to 5 years, and then the guillotine.

"We" have DNA, yes. The prisoners ---- not so much.

That first guy in last week's Arkansas execution festival begged for a DNA test. State refused. That would be the same trial where his defense attorney was drunk and the judge was boinking the prosecutor. Not even making any of that up.

But that guy's dead now. The State executed him, the judge married the prosecutor, the public defender continued to get drunk, and life goes on. For those the system allows anyway.

That's the thing about the death penalty --- it's one way, no return. If you're using an infallible system, then hey, there's no issue. Good luck with that one.

On an emotional level, I find it hard to condemn the death penalty across the board. For example, I could never have supported life in prison for the NAZI's that enabled the Holocaust. On an intellectual level, I find all kinds of reasons to condemn it, not least of all, because it does not deter crime. It is strictly revenge, which is not one of mankind's loftier attributes.

That's strange.

Do you see all other punishments as acts of revenge? Or only the death penalty?

I am not innocent of celebrating revenge. I am actually glad that child molesters are likely to be injured or killed in prison. However, I am not proud to feel that way, and I aspire to rise above it. Revenge does not undo any wrong. if anything, it compounds wrong.

Still, do you think all criminal punishments are acts of revenge?

Or do you only see the death penalty that way?

 

[Pogo]

Don't know who brought up "abortion" or "pro-life" but it kinda does mean that. See also Ahimsa.

Always nice to see a poster quote the voices in his head because he can't be bothered to use the quote button. That's cute. Me, I brought up the term "pro-death". Guess you don't wanna touch that one though.


Please to quote us the part of the Constitution that refers to "innocents". TIA.

Like the Original Tree said:

"When they allow trials for the unborn to determine if they have a right to life, then we can talk about The Justice of putting a Murderer to Death vs. The Justice of Killing The Unborn Innocent."

Nailed it!

Doesn't begin to answer my post in any way, now does it?

But congratulations are in order for finding the quote button. Baby steps.

Maybe if you could phrase your question in a language other than gibberish, you might get a response more to your liking!

I kind of doubt it though.

Translation:

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From what?

I'm sure you THINK you made a point somewhere that you think I should respond to but I'll be damned if I can tell what it was.

Like I said...

You need to try to communicate with something other than gibberish, childish videos and innuendos.

It's okay Flakey. You don't have the balls to answer. I get that.
So we move on.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Now that we have DNA to verify guilt, we should be able to eliminate all of these appeals. Maybe cut waiting times to 5 years, and then the guillotine.

"We" have DNA, yes. The prisoners ---- not so much.

That first guy in last week's Arkansas execution festival begged for a DNA test. State refused. That would be the same trial where his defense attorney was drunk and the judge was boinking the prosecutor. Not even making any of that up.

But that guy's dead now. The State executed him, the judge married the prosecutor, the public defender continued to get drunk, and life goes on. For those the system allows anyway.

That's the thing about the death penalty --- it's one way, no return. If you're using an infallible system, then hey, there's no issue. Good luck with that one.

On an emotional level, I find it hard to condemn the death penalty across the board. For example, I could never have supported life in prison for the NAZI's that enabled the Holocaust. On an intellectual level, I find all kinds of reasons to condemn it, not least of all, because it does not deter crime. It is strictly revenge, which is not one of mankind's loftier attributes.

That's strange.

Do you see all other punishments as acts of revenge? Or only the death penalty?

I am not innocent of celebrating revenge. I am actually glad that child molesters are likely to be injured or killed in prison. However, I am not proud to feel that way, and I aspire to rise above it. Revenge does not undo any wrong. if anything, it compounds wrong.

Still, do you think all criminal punishments are acts of revenge?

Or do you only see the death penalty that way?

The United States completely abandoned the concept of punishment by penal system in the mid 20th century. It is now strictly based on the concept of rehabilitation, with the exception of the death penalty. That, in itself, makes the DP difficult to defend.

 

[Chuz Life]

"We" have DNA, yes. The prisoners ---- not so much.

That first guy in last week's Arkansas execution festival begged for a DNA test. State refused. That would be the same trial where his defense attorney was drunk and the judge was boinking the prosecutor. Not even making any of that up.

But that guy's dead now. The State executed him, the judge married the prosecutor, the public defender continued to get drunk, and life goes on. For those the system allows anyway.

That's the thing about the death penalty --- it's one way, no return. If you're using an infallible system, then hey, there's no issue. Good luck with that one.

On an emotional level, I find it hard to condemn the death penalty across the board. For example, I could never have supported life in prison for the NAZI's that enabled the Holocaust. On an intellectual level, I find all kinds of reasons to condemn it, not least of all, because it does not deter crime. It is strictly revenge, which is not one of mankind's loftier attributes.

That's strange.

Do you see all other punishments as acts of revenge? Or only the death penalty?

I am not innocent of celebrating revenge. I am actually glad that child molesters are likely to be injured or killed in prison. However, I am not proud to feel that way, and I aspire to rise above it. Revenge does not undo any wrong. if anything, it compounds wrong.

Still, do you think all criminal punishments are acts of revenge?

Or do you only see the death penalty that way?

The United States completely abandoned the concept of punishment by penal system in the mid 20th century. It is now strictly based on the concept of rehabilitation, with the exception of the death penalty. That, in itself, makes the DP difficult to defend.

Dude come on....

Please.

I just want a straight answer.

Do you see all forms of punishment as an act of revenge? Or do you only see the death penalty in that way?

There is no right or wrong answer. I'm only asking about YOUR point of view as I never ran across that view before.

 

[Chuz Life]

Like the Original Tree said:

"When they allow trials for the unborn to determine if they have a right to life, then we can talk about The Justice of putting a Murderer to Death vs. The Justice of Killing The Unborn Innocent."

Nailed it!

Doesn't begin to answer my post in any way, now does it?

But congratulations are in order for finding the quote button. Baby steps.

Maybe if you could phrase your question in a language other than gibberish, you might get a response more to your liking!

I kind of doubt it though.

Translation:

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From what?

I'm sure you THINK you made a point somewhere that you think I should respond to but I'll be damned if I can tell what it was.

Like I said...

You need to try to communicate with something other than gibberish, childish videos and innuendos.

It's okay Flakey. You don't have the balls to answer. I get that.
So we move on.

 

[Vandalshandle]

On an emotional level, I find it hard to condemn the death penalty across the board. For example, I could never have supported life in prison for the NAZI's that enabled the Holocaust. On an intellectual level, I find all kinds of reasons to condemn it, not least of all, because it does not deter crime. It is strictly revenge, which is not one of mankind's loftier attributes.

That's strange.

Do you see all other punishments as acts of revenge? Or only the death penalty?

I am not innocent of celebrating revenge. I am actually glad that child molesters are likely to be injured or killed in prison. However, I am not proud to feel that way, and I aspire to rise above it. Revenge does not undo any wrong. if anything, it compounds wrong.

Still, do you think all criminal punishments are acts of revenge?

Or do you only see the death penalty that way?

The United States completely abandoned the concept of punishment by penal system in the mid 20th century. It is now strictly based on the concept of rehabilitation, with the exception of the death penalty. That, in itself, makes the DP difficult to defend.

Dude come on....

Please.

I just want a straight answer.

Do you see all forms of punishment as an act of revenge? Or do you only see the death penalty in that way?

There is no right or wrong answer. I'm only asking about YOUR point of view as I never ran across that view before.

I thought that I made myself clear that I am conflicted over the whole issue. It is a matter that me, and my conscious, has not been able to completely resolve.

 

[OKTexas]

In my opinion the real problem with death penalty is that you can execute somebody who didn't commit any crime and you can't fix that...
So maybe it's better if you use life imprisonment than death penalty.
But if you really want death penalty you must choose a "soft" method.
Unfortunately lethal injection can be really painful so it shouldn't be used.
I've heard that hanging and firing squads are less painful. View attachment 124481

Maybe we need a law that says any judge who sentences someone to death will be charged with MURDER if the executed prisoner is later found out to be innocent.

That has to be the most idiotic statement I've seen in a long time. A judge is charged with following the law, just like police, prosecutors and jurors. A death sentence is a societal decision, not just one person.

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Well, I didn't mean to offend.

I am no expert on criminal law but I thought the Judge can over-rule even a jury verdict when it comes to sentencing.

I was only trying to find a creative way to hold the courts accountable with something other than restitution.... when they are found to have "punished" an innocent individual.

Again, no offense was intended.

To my knowledge the jury makes the punishment determination is a capital case and the trial judge has no authority to overrule them.

.

 

[FJO]

"We" have DNA, yes. The prisoners ---- not so much.

That first guy in last week's Arkansas execution festival begged for a DNA test. State refused. That would be the same trial where his defense attorney was drunk and the judge was boinking the prosecutor. Not even making any of that up.

But that guy's dead now. The State executed him, the judge married the prosecutor, the public defender continued to get drunk, and life goes on. For those the system allows anyway.

That's the thing about the death penalty --- it's one way, no return. If you're using an infallible system, then hey, there's no issue. Good luck with that one.

On an emotional level, I find it hard to condemn the death penalty across the board. For example, I could never have supported life in prison for the NAZI's that enabled the Holocaust. On an intellectual level, I find all kinds of reasons to condemn it, not least of all, because it does not deter crime. It is strictly revenge, which is not one of mankind's loftier attributes.

That's strange.

Do you see all other punishments as acts of revenge? Or only the death penalty?

I am not innocent of celebrating revenge. I am actually glad that child molesters are likely to be injured or killed in prison. However, I am not proud to feel that way, and I aspire to rise above it. Revenge does not undo any wrong. if anything, it compounds wrong.

Still, do you think all criminal punishments are acts of revenge?

Or do you only see the death penalty that way?

The United States completely abandoned the concept of punishment by penal system in the mid 20th century. It is now strictly based on the concept of rehabilitation, with the exception of the death penalty. That, in itself, makes the DP difficult to defend.

The attempt fo rehabilitate and correct is a noble concept.

It takes brains to determine which offender is rehabitable and correctable.

Those who are may well be useful members of society again. Those who - judged by their behavior - are incorrigeable, well keep them alive and make them suffer.

There has never been an example of state sponsored killing bringing a murder victim back to life.

 

[Vandalshandle]

When these inmates rock and squirm on the gurney when receiving lethal injection....it their fear of Satan's face. They are going down to hell when they struggle. Most have zero remorse. They are savages. Catches up to them on judgement day.


States Find Other Execution Methods After Difficulties With Lethal Injection

God said that if man takes an innocent life, that he should forfeit his own life. That is good enough for me!

God told me that he was just kidding when he said that to you.

 

[Chuz Life]

That's strange.

Do you see all other punishments as acts of revenge? Or only the death penalty?

I am not innocent of celebrating revenge. I am actually glad that child molesters are likely to be injured or killed in prison. However, I am not proud to feel that way, and I aspire to rise above it. Revenge does not undo any wrong. if anything, it compounds wrong.

Still, do you think all criminal punishments are acts of revenge?

Or do you only see the death penalty that way?

The United States completely abandoned the concept of punishment by penal system in the mid 20th century. It is now strictly based on the concept of rehabilitation, with the exception of the death penalty. That, in itself, makes the DP difficult to defend.

Dude come on....

Please.

I just want a straight answer.

Do you see all forms of punishment as an act of revenge? Or do you only see the death penalty in that way?

There is no right or wrong answer. I'm only asking about YOUR point of view as I never ran across that view before.

I thought that I made myself clear that I am conflicted over the whole issue. It is a matter that me, and my conscious, has not been able to completely resolve.

You are still answering a question I didn't ask and dodging the one I did ask.

Do you honestly not know if you view all forms of prison "punishments" as acts of revenge or not?

 

[jc456]

Don't know who brought up "abortion" or "pro-life" but it kinda does mean that. See also Ahimsa.

Always nice to see a poster quote the voices in his head because he can't be bothered to use the quote button. That's cute. Me, I brought up the term "pro-death". Guess you don't wanna touch that one though.


Please to quote us the part of the Constitution that refers to "innocents". TIA.

Like the Original Tree said:

"When they allow trials for the unborn to determine if they have a right to life, then we can talk about The Justice of putting a Murderer to Death vs. The Justice of Killing The Unborn Innocent."

Nailed it!

Doesn't begin to answer my post in any way, now does it?

But congratulations are in order for finding the quote button. Baby steps.

Maybe if you could phrase your question in a language other than gibberish, you might get a response more to your liking!

I kind of doubt it though.

Translation:

​

From what?

I'm sure you THINK you made a point somewhere that you think I should respond to but I'll be damned if I can tell what it was.

Like I said...

You need to try to communicate with something other than gibberish, childish videos and innuendos.

ahhh it's the libturd model to push their morals with their attempt to make someone feel less human. And then they pound their chests at the deaths of infants. yeah, they are the most hypocritical pieces of vermin that exists on the planet.

 

[jc456]

In my opinion the real problem with death penalty is that you can execute somebody who didn't commit any crime and you can't fix that...
So maybe it's better if you use life imprisonment than death penalty.
But if you really want death penalty you must choose a "soft" method.
Unfortunately lethal injection can be really painful so it shouldn't be used.
I've heard that hanging and firing squads are less painful. View attachment 124481

Maybe we need a law that says any judge who sentences someone to death will be charged with MURDER if the executed prisoner is later found out to be innocent.

I guess this is impossible because if a judge fears something like that he doesn't sentence anybody to death.
In other words this hypothetical law would be some kind of death penalty repeal

how many times has it happened? who has the stats?

"How many times" is the threshold?

how many times is if it has ever happened. So everyone worrying about something that didn't happen or not?

 

[jc456]

I am not innocent of celebrating revenge. I am actually glad that child molesters are likely to be injured or killed in prison. However, I am not proud to feel that way, and I aspire to rise above it. Revenge does not undo any wrong. if anything, it compounds wrong.

Still, do you think all criminal punishments are acts of revenge?

Or do you only see the death penalty that way?

The United States completely abandoned the concept of punishment by penal system in the mid 20th century. It is now strictly based on the concept of rehabilitation, with the exception of the death penalty. That, in itself, makes the DP difficult to defend.

Dude come on....

Please.

I just want a straight answer.

Do you see all forms of punishment as an act of revenge? Or do you only see the death penalty in that way?

There is no right or wrong answer. I'm only asking about YOUR point of view as I never ran across that view before.

I thought that I made myself clear that I am conflicted over the whole issue. It is a matter that me, and my conscious, has not been able to completely resolve.

You are still answering a question I didn't ask and dodging the one I did ask.

Do you honestly not know if you view all forms of prison "punishments" as acts of revenge or not?

he will never answer your question. They don't feel they ever have to. They are above you intellectually as well as morally in their own mind. So you are but a piece of crap that they choose to include in a discussion for their own fun. again, they are but hypocritical human vermin. No morals.

 

[jc456]

Their is no hypocrisy in being opposed to abortion and in supporting the death penalty at the same time. That is unless you are seriously confused and you (wrongly) think that "pro-life" means to value all life and that even eating a salad is murder.

Don't know who brought up "abortion" or "pro-life" but it kinda does mean that. See also Ahimsa.

Always nice to see a poster quote the voices in his head because he can't be bothered to use the quote button. That's cute. Me, I brought up the term "pro-death". Guess you don't wanna touch that one though.

The rest of us (normal minded people) know that it's about the Constitution and the protections for innocent human beings (persons.)

The Constitution clearly says that no persons can be deprived of their life except through "due process."

Convicted criminals are afforded that process and aborted children are not. There is some hypocrisy for you.

Personally, I see the death penalty as society's right to "self defense." I don't care how "pro-life" anyone is, we all retain the right to defend ourselves and to defend the (especially human) lives around us and that includes the use of deadly force.

Again, as a defense of innocent lives.

Please to quote us the part of the Constitution that refers to "innocents". TIA.

I am pro death penalty. let's go there. we're all adults. now you are pro death for abortions. K?

Again, you are for the death of an infant and I am for death of evil. hmmmmmm not even fking close.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Still, do you think all criminal punishments are acts of revenge?

Or do you only see the death penalty that way?

The United States completely abandoned the concept of punishment by penal system in the mid 20th century. It is now strictly based on the concept of rehabilitation, with the exception of the death penalty. That, in itself, makes the DP difficult to defend.

Dude come on....

Please.

I just want a straight answer.

Do you see all forms of punishment as an act of revenge? Or do you only see the death penalty in that way?

There is no right or wrong answer. I'm only asking about YOUR point of view as I never ran across that view before.

I thought that I made myself clear that I am conflicted over the whole issue. It is a matter that me, and my conscious, has not been able to completely resolve.

You are still answering a question I didn't ask and dodging the one I did ask.

Do you honestly not know if you view all forms of prison "punishments" as acts of revenge or not?

he will never answer your question. They don't feel they ever have to. They are above you intellectually as well as morally in their own mind. So you are but a piece of crap that they choose to include in a discussion for their own fun. again, they are but hypocritical human vermin. No morals.

JC, I am not impressed by your trolling.

 

[dani67]

death penalty is gift for bad people. they must live in prison for ever and do hard job .

 

[jc456]

The United States completely abandoned the concept of punishment by penal system in the mid 20th century. It is now strictly based on the concept of rehabilitation, with the exception of the death penalty. That, in itself, makes the DP difficult to defend.

Dude come on....

Please.

I just want a straight answer.

Do you see all forms of punishment as an act of revenge? Or do you only see the death penalty in that way?

There is no right or wrong answer. I'm only asking about YOUR point of view as I never ran across that view before.

I thought that I made myself clear that I am conflicted over the whole issue. It is a matter that me, and my conscious, has not been able to completely resolve.

You are still answering a question I didn't ask and dodging the one I did ask.

Do you honestly not know if you view all forms of prison "punishments" as acts of revenge or not?

he will never answer your question. They don't feel they ever have to. They are above you intellectually as well as morally in their own mind. So you are but a piece of crap that they choose to include in a discussion for their own fun. again, they are but hypocritical human vermin. No morals.

JC, I am not impressed by your trolling.

I care why?

 

[jc456]

death penalty is gift for bad people. they must live in prison for ever and do hard job .

evil doesn't deserve our hospitality.