Damning America With Faint Praise.

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The great victory and the great defeat, both at the same time.
The former was the United States victory in WWII, ....and the latter was the failure to recognize it as the victory of our values, and of our culture.




1. To this day there remains the unnoticed, unimagined crime of Communist penetration of the Roosevelt administration, which produced an undue influence on American policy, not only during the war....but afterwards.

There was the infamous "betrayal at Yalta" that handed Eastern Europe to the Soviets.


Perhaps a greater betrayal was the besmirching of America's shining moment: at the end of WWII when our own leaders allowed the lesson of our great moral and noble achievement to sink from memory to be replaced by postmodern doubt and multicultural division.
West, "American Betrayal," p. 48.






2. The war was over.
On the one hand, we had had enough war, and we saw it far easier to pretend some soft "moral equivalence" than to do anything heroic, or to be confrontational. And, so, this became the orthodoxy of twentieth-century elites, finding a home in editorials, political platforms, social activism and pop culture. Anything but a showdown.
We became cynical and conveniently amoral: East, West, Communism, capitalism, all the same....no different. That's postmodernism.

a. In the West, we've indoctrinated a generation or two with no pride in this great nation, and, therefore, no burning desire to protect it.




3. But not so for the Soviet Union.
While we were willing to blur the distinctions between the sides, Soviet foreign policy was run by the Cheka, and its spin-off, the KGB. In the one-party state, they were able to act in ways that Western intelligence could never act.
Andrew and Mitrokhin, "The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB," p. 551.





4. Fast forward to 'The Malta Summit,' a meeting between U.S.President George H. W. Bush and U.S.S.R. leader Mikhail Gorbachev. This is how they, or we, 'ended' the Cold War. Gorbachev: "Some are beginning to speak about 'the Bush Doctrine' that is replacing the 'Brezhnev Doctrine ( Soviet use of force to keep its satellites in line),' implying that if one is out, so should the other.
About Gorbachev: " He bristled at Bush's repeated reference to "Western values" (a phrase found throughout the U.S. briefing materials for Malta) and argued that the U.S. approach of "exporting ‘Western values'" would cause "ideological confrontations [to] flare up again" in "propaganda battles" with "no point." Bush and Gorbachev at Malta

a. The "Western values" that Gorbachev could not countenance were the rule of law, freedom of speech, the sovereignty of the dozen or so that the USSR had usurped...far better for Gorbachev were rule by threat and thugocracy.

b. What an opportunity to show backbone, to defend what is so easily defended!!!!




5. Bush 41: "What are Western values? They are, if you will, free speech, openness, lively debates. In the economic realm- stimulus for progress, a free market. These values are not something new, or of the moment....They unite the West. We welcome changes on [the USSR and Eastern Europe] but by no means set them against Western values."

a. At that moment, A.N. Yakovlev, Gorbachev's Marxist-Leninist theorist, served Bush the soft-ball question: "Why democracy, openness, [free] market 'Western values'?'

"41" could have referenced the Declaration of Independence, or the Magna Carta....
Instead: "It was not always that way. You personally created a start for these changes directed toward democracy and openness. Today it is really much clearer than it was, say, 20 years ago that we share these values with you."
Masterpieces of History: The Peaceful End of the Cold War in Eastern Europe ... - Google Books


WHAT????? "....we share these values with you."


b. And so ended an opportunity for the truth. We're just like the Soviet Union...we grant legitimacy to the criminal Communist enterprise.
West, "American Betrayal," chapter two.




We became cynical and conveniently amoral: East, West, Communism, capitalism, all the same....no different.
That's postmodernism.
That's what we teach our children in university.
A lie.

The result is that American youth believe things such as a genocide against Native Indians, for example, and any other slander that the Left imagines.


So...philosophical question: which the worse crime, the Soviet infiltration and manipulation of Roosevelt...

...or Western ideological collaboration?
 
Can you imagine how different the culture of this nation would be if our leaders had emphasized the greatness of this nation, or our history, our values in comparison to the criminals that led our Russian 'allies'??
 
I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but it was the Red Army that marched into Berlin.

And it was only when the Soviets invaded Manchuria that Japan chose to deal with us:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IURAcF1mZn8]Seconds From Disaster - S06E08 - Nagasaki - The Forgotten Bomb - YouTube[/ame]

It was no victory of values, but barbarism for the sake of winning :[
 
I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but it was the Red Army that marched into Berlin.

And it was only when the Soviets invaded Manchuria that Japan chose to deal with us:

Seconds From Disaster - S06E08 - Nagasaki - The Forgotten Bomb - YouTube

It was no victory of values, but barbarism for the sake of winning :[



"And it was only when the Soviets invaded Manchuria that Japan chose to deal with us..."

Yeah...that must have been it.


They shrugged off the atomic blasts......




The America-haters, i.e., you, use words like 'barbarism' in connection with the United States....

....when Nanking stares 'em right in the face.




So....do you celebrate Vidkun Quisling's birthday, or when he became MinisterPresident?
Confetti ready?
 
The result is that American youth believe things such as a genocide against Native Indians, for example, and any other slander that the Left imagines.

Oh?

That did not happen?

Enlighten us, then.

Where the fuck are all the Indians?
 
The America-haters, i.e., you, use words like 'barbarism' in connection with the United States....

....when Nanking stares 'em right in the face.
Nanking was before the US entry into the War. Then after the War what did the US do to with all this newly won Power and Economic Might? It created the Military Industrial Complex and shipped all it's Good Paying Jobs overseas in Free Not Fair Trade Agreements.

Obamas' getting ready to effectively merge the US and Europe, have you seen THAT on the News?

And now that we're in this predicament what are Americans most worried about? Their Fantasy Football Draft and the Sex Lives of Celebrities.
 
I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but it was the Red Army that marched into Berlin.

And it was only when the Soviets invaded Manchuria that Japan chose to deal with us:

Seconds From Disaster - S06E08 - Nagasaki - The Forgotten Bomb - YouTube

It was no victory of values, but barbarism for the sake of winning :[



"And it was only when the Soviets invaded Manchuria that Japan chose to deal with us..."

Yeah...that must have been it.


They shrugged off the atomic blasts......




The America-haters, i.e., you, use words like 'barbarism' in connection with the United States....

....when Nanking stares 'em right in the face.




So....do you celebrate Vidkun Quisling's birthday, or when he became MinisterPresident?
Confetti ready?

perhapse someone should tell him the reason it was the read army who marched into berlin was becasue Eisenhower ordered patton to hold back and allow them too. The soviets ignored our requests to attack Japan until we dropped the bombs.
 
The America-haters, i.e., you, use words like 'barbarism' in connection with the United States....

....when Nanking stares 'em right in the face.
Nanking was before the US entry into the War. Then after the War what did the US do to with all this newly won Power and Economic Might? It created the Military Industrial Complex and shipped all it's Good Paying Jobs overseas in Free Not Fair Trade Agreements.

Obamas' getting ready to effectively merge the US and Europe, have you seen THAT on the News?

And now that we're in this predicament what are Americans most worried about? Their Fantasy Football Draft and the Sex Lives of Celebrities.

if we didn't have a republican controlled house at least we would be so screwed
 
I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but it was the Red Army that marched into Berlin.

And it was only when the Soviets invaded Manchuria that Japan chose to deal with us:

Seconds From Disaster - S06E08 - Nagasaki - The Forgotten Bomb - YouTube

It was no victory of values, but barbarism for the sake of winning :[



"And it was only when the Soviets invaded Manchuria that Japan chose to deal with us..."

Yeah...that must have been it.


They shrugged off the atomic blasts......




The America-haters, i.e., you, use words like 'barbarism' in connection with the United States....

....when Nanking stares 'em right in the face.




So....do you celebrate Vidkun Quisling's birthday, or when he became MinisterPresident?
Confetti ready?

perhapse someone should tell him the reason it was the read army who marched into berlin was becasue Eisenhower ordered patton to hold back and allow them too. The soviets ignored our requests to attack Japan until we dropped the bombs.

We didn't request the Soviets to attack Japan. Part of the Yalta agreement was that the Soviets do nothing with Japan for 90 days after the surrender of Germany. The Soviets didn't attack Japan at any rate; they went after the Japanese army in Manchuria.
 
"And it was only when the Soviets invaded Manchuria that Japan chose to deal with us..."

Yeah...that must have been it.


They shrugged off the atomic blasts......




The America-haters, i.e., you, use words like 'barbarism' in connection with the United States....

....when Nanking stares 'em right in the face.




So....do you celebrate Vidkun Quisling's birthday, or when he became MinisterPresident?
Confetti ready?

perhapse someone should tell him the reason it was the read army who marched into berlin was becasue Eisenhower ordered patton to hold back and allow them too. The soviets ignored our requests to attack Japan until we dropped the bombs.

We didn't request the Soviets to attack Japan. Part of the Yalta agreement was that the Soviets do nothing with Japan for 90 days after the surrender of Germany. The Soviets didn't attack Japan at any rate; they went after the Japanese army in Manchuria.

mmmm you've got your facts wrong. Truman asked Russia to open up a front against japan. they took no action. that action was part of the reasoning truman considered when making the decision to use the bomb
 
perhapse someone should tell him the reason it was the read army who marched into berlin was becasue Eisenhower ordered patton to hold back and allow them too. The soviets ignored our requests to attack Japan until we dropped the bombs.

We didn't request the Soviets to attack Japan. Part of the Yalta agreement was that the Soviets do nothing with Japan for 90 days after the surrender of Germany. The Soviets didn't attack Japan at any rate; they went after the Japanese army in Manchuria.

mmmm you've got your facts wrong. Truman asked Russia to open up a front against japan. they took no action. that action was part of the reasoning truman considered when making the decision to use the bomb

At Tehran, Stalin agreed to enter into the war with Japan after Germany surrendered. At Yalta the Allies asked about the Soviets entering and the deal reached was three months after Germany. By that time the only thing left to do was Mainland Japan and Manchuria and the US did not want the Soviets in Japan if at all possible.
 
The result is that American youth believe things such as a genocide against Native Indians, for example, and any other slander that the Left imagines.

Oh?

That did not happen?

Enlighten us, then.

Where the fuck are all the Indians?

she should start a comedy club.that is comedy gold.:lmao::lmao::lmao::rofl: thats right up there with that thread of hers that Reagan was a great president.:lmao::lmao::rofl:
 
The America-haters, i.e., you, use words like 'barbarism' in connection with the United States....

....when Nanking stares 'em right in the face.
Nanking was before the US entry into the War. Then after the War what did the US do to with all this newly won Power and Economic Might? It created the Military Industrial Complex and shipped all it's Good Paying Jobs overseas in Free Not Fair Trade Agreements.

Obamas' getting ready to effectively merge the US and Europe, have you seen THAT on the News?

And now that we're in this predicament what are Americans most worried about? Their Fantasy Football Draft and the Sex Lives of Celebrities.

:clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:

Best damn post on this thread.:clap2:
 
The America-haters, i.e., you, use words like 'barbarism' in connection with the United States....

....when Nanking stares 'em right in the face.

Obviously the Japanese Imperial Government engaged in barbarism as well. It seems odd to me that in this day and age there are still people who believe in collective guilt or collective blessings. Must be from reading barbarian scriptures.
 
Until July 16,1945, Truman and others did not know if the bomb would actually work. Once the bomb exploded at Alamogordo at 4 in the morning the strategy changed. Now we thought we had the means to shock Japan into surrendering; the USSR was no longer needed and the bomb might also mean the end of all wars. But the USSR could not be told it was no longer needed and could retire from the war, and there was still some doubt that Japan even with the bomb would surrender.
The Japanese war faction was determined to fight to the end and Hirohito had to tell his cabinet, at two different times, he wanted Japan to surrender. In any case we dropped the bombs and a few days later Japan surrendered.
 
The result is that American youth believe things such as a genocide against Native Indians, for example, and any other slander that the Left imagines.

Oh?

That did not happen?

Enlighten us, then.

Where the fuck are all the Indians?

"Where ... are all the Indians?"

Interesting how the civil language disappears when one of your sacred beliefs is exposed as myth.

Now....keep your hands inside the ride at all times:

... data suggest that population numbered about 1,894,350 at about A.D. 1500.
Epidemics and other factors reduced this number to only 530,000 by 1900.
Modern data suggest that by 1985 population size has increased to over 2.5 million.
North American Indian population size, A.D. 1500 to 1985 - Ubelaker - 2005 - American Journal of Physical Anthropology - Wiley Online Library


Pop quiz: which is greater, 530,000....

....or 2.5 million?

Take your time.



Feel like a dunce?



"...According to 2008 US Census projections, those who are Native American and Alaska Natives alone number 3.08 million of the total US population of 304 million, or 1.01 percent of the nation's entire population. Those who are Native American alone or in combination with other races measure as 4.86 million individuals,..."
Modern social statistics of Native Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



My question?

Where the heck are all of your cerebral neurons?
 
The America-haters, i.e., you, use words like 'barbarism' in connection with the United States....

....when Nanking stares 'em right in the face.
Nanking was before the US entry into the War. Then after the War what did the US do to with all this newly won Power and Economic Might? It created the Military Industrial Complex and shipped all it's Good Paying Jobs overseas in Free Not Fair Trade Agreements.

Obamas' getting ready to effectively merge the US and Europe, have you seen THAT on the News?

And now that we're in this predicament what are Americans most worried about? Their Fantasy Football Draft and the Sex Lives of Celebrities.



The question of timeline is not germane.

The question is one of barbarism.



Tutorial coming right up:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqH47MIpuoA]Rape of Nanking 2: Japanese Torture Beheading Rape Burning - YouTube[/ame]
 
The America-haters, i.e., you, use words like 'barbarism' in connection with the United States....

....when Nanking stares 'em right in the face.
Nanking was before the US entry into the War. Then after the War what did the US do to with all this newly won Power and Economic Might? It created the Military Industrial Complex and shipped all it's Good Paying Jobs overseas in Free Not Fair Trade Agreements.

Obamas' getting ready to effectively merge the US and Europe, have you seen THAT on the News?

And now that we're in this predicament what are Americans most worried about? Their Fantasy Football Draft and the Sex Lives of Celebrities.

:clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:

Best damn post on this thread.:clap2:


Nothing dooms a premise as much as a fool like you supporting it.

Keep up the bad work, dolt.
 
The great victory and the great defeat, both at the same time.
The former was the United States victory in WWII, ....and the latter was the failure to recognize it as the victory of our values, and of our culture.




1. To this day there remains the unnoticed, unimagined crime of Communist penetration of the Roosevelt administration, which produced an undue influence on American policy, not only during the war....but afterwards.

There was the infamous "betrayal at Yalta" that handed Eastern Europe to the Soviets.


Perhaps a greater betrayal was the besmirching of America's shining moment: at the end of WWII when our own leaders allowed the lesson of our great moral and noble achievement to sink from memory to be replaced by postmodern doubt and multicultural division.
West, "American Betrayal," p. 48.






2. The war was over.
On the one hand, we had had enough war, and we saw it far easier to pretend some soft "moral equivalence" than to do anything heroic, or to be confrontational. And, so, this became the orthodoxy of twentieth-century elites, finding a home in editorials, political platforms, social activism and pop culture. Anything but a showdown.
We became cynical and conveniently amoral: East, West, Communism, capitalism, all the same....no different. That's postmodernism.

a. In the West, we've indoctrinated a generation or two with no pride in this great nation, and, therefore, no burning desire to protect it.




3. But not so for the Soviet Union.
While we were willing to blur the distinctions between the sides, Soviet foreign policy was run by the Cheka, and its spin-off, the KGB. In the one-party state, they were able to act in ways that Western intelligence could never act.
Andrew and Mitrokhin, "The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB," p. 551.





4. Fast forward to 'The Malta Summit,' a meeting between U.S.President George H. W. Bush and U.S.S.R. leader Mikhail Gorbachev. This is how they, or we, 'ended' the Cold War. Gorbachev: "Some are beginning to speak about 'the Bush Doctrine' that is replacing the 'Brezhnev Doctrine ( Soviet use of force to keep its satellites in line),' implying that if one is out, so should the other.
About Gorbachev: " He bristled at Bush's repeated reference to "Western values" (a phrase found throughout the U.S. briefing materials for Malta) and argued that the U.S. approach of "exporting ‘Western values'" would cause "ideological confrontations [to] flare up again" in "propaganda battles" with "no point." Bush and Gorbachev at Malta

a. The "Western values" that Gorbachev could not countenance were the rule of law, freedom of speech, the sovereignty of the dozen or so that the USSR had usurped...far better for Gorbachev were rule by threat and thugocracy.

b. What an opportunity to show backbone, to defend what is so easily defended!!!!




5. Bush 41: "What are Western values? They are, if you will, free speech, openness, lively debates. In the economic realm- stimulus for progress, a free market. These values are not something new, or of the moment....They unite the West. We welcome changes on [the USSR and Eastern Europe] but by no means set them against Western values."

a. At that moment, A.N. Yakovlev, Gorbachev's Marxist-Leninist theorist, served Bush the soft-ball question: "Why democracy, openness, [free] market 'Western values'?'

"41" could have referenced the Declaration of Independence, or the Magna Carta....
Instead: "It was not always that way. You personally created a start for these changes directed toward democracy and openness. Today it is really much clearer than it was, say, 20 years ago that we share these values with you."
Masterpieces of History: The Peaceful End of the Cold War in Eastern Europe ... - Google Books


WHAT????? "....we share these values with you."


b. And so ended an opportunity for the truth. We're just like the Soviet Union...we grant legitimacy to the criminal Communist enterprise.
West, "American Betrayal," chapter two.




We became cynical and conveniently amoral: East, West, Communism, capitalism, all the same....no different.
That's postmodernism.
That's what we teach our children in university.
A lie.

The result is that American youth believe things such as a genocide against Native Indians, for example, and any other slander that the Left imagines.


So...philosophical question: which the worse crime, the Soviet infiltration and manipulation of Roosevelt...

...or Western ideological collaboration?






Here I will part ways with you PC. Our victory in WWII was one of production. We buried the Axis powers under material. You can argue that our ideology is what allowed us to produce so much but the Soviet Union produced a similar amount as well so that assumption breaks down.

The one thing our ideology DID do was keep casualties down. The two great socialist powers lost 35 million between them while the Commonwealth and our own losses were less than a million combined. That is the major difference in the two ideologies, we care about our people and the socialists, in the long run, don't.
 

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