Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do ...a letter from Michael Moore

Stephanie

Diamond Member
Joined
Jul 11, 2004
Messages
70,230
Reaction score
10,857
Points
2,040
Tuesday, November 28th, 2006
Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do ...a letter from Michael Moore


Friends,

Yesterday marked the day that we had been in Iraq longer than we were in all of World War II.

That's right. We were able to defeat all of Nazi Germany, Mussolini, and the entire Japanese empire in LESS time than it's taken the world's only superpower to secure the road from the airport to downtown Baghdad.

And we haven't even done THAT. After 1,347 days, in the same time it took us to took us to sweep across North Africa, storm the beaches of Italy, conquer the South Pacific, and liberate all of Western Europe, we cannot, after over 3 and 1/2 years, even take over a single highway and protect ourselves from a homemade device of two tin cans placed in a pothole. No wonder the cab fare from the airport into Baghdad is now running around $35,000 for the 25-minute ride. And that doesn't even include a friggin' helmet.

Is this utter failure the fault of our troops? Hardly. That's because no amount of troops or choppers or democracy shot out of the barrel of a gun is ever going to "win" the war in Iraq. It is a lost war, lost because it never had a right to be won, lost because it was started by men who have never been to war, men who hide behind others sent to fight and die.

Let's listen to what the Iraqi people are saying, according to a recent poll conducted by the University of Maryland:

** 71% of all Iraqis now want the U.S. out of Iraq.

** 61% of all Iraqis SUPPORT insurgent attacks on U.S. troops.

Yes, the vast majority of Iraqi citizens believe that our soldiers should be killed and maimed! So what the hell are we still doing there? Talk about not getting the hint.

There are many ways to liberate a country. Usually the residents of that country rise up and liberate themselves. That's how we did it. You can also do it through nonviolent, mass civil disobedience. That's how India did it. You can get the world to boycott a regime until they are so ostracized they capitulate. That's how South Africa did it. Or you can just wait them out and, sooner or later, the king's legions simply leave (sometimes just because they're too cold). That's how Canada did it.

The one way that DOESN'T work is to invade a country and tell the people, "We are here to liberate you!" -- when they have done NOTHING to liberate themselves. Where were all the suicide bombers when Saddam was oppressing them? Where were the insurgents planting bombs along the roadside as the evildoer Saddam's convoy passed them by? I guess ol' Saddam was a cruel despot -- but not cruel enough for thousands to risk their necks. "Oh no, Mike, they couldn't do that! Saddam would have had them killed!" Really? You don't think King George had any of the colonial insurgents killed? You don't think Patrick Henry or Tom Paine were afraid? That didn't stop them. When tens of thousands aren't willing to shed their own blood to remove a dictator, that should be the first clue that they aren't going to be willing participants when you decide you're going to do the liberating for them.

A country can HELP another people overthrow a tyrant (that's what the French did for us in our revolution), but after you help them, you leave. Immediately. The French didn't stay and tell us how to set up our government. They didn't say, "we're not leaving because we want your natural resources." They left us to our own devices and it took us six years before we had an election. And then we had a bloody civil war. That's what happens, and history is full of these examples. The French didn't say, "Oh, we better stay in America, otherwise they're going to kill each other over that slavery issue!"

The only way a war of liberation has a chance of succeeding is if the oppressed people being liberated have their own citizens behind them -- and a group of Washington's, Jeffersons, Franklin's, Gandhi's and Mandellas leading them. Where are these beacons of liberty in Iraq? This is a joke and it's been a joke since the beginning. Yes, the joke's been on us, but with 655,000 Iraqis now dead as a result of our invasion (source: Johns Hopkins University), I guess the cruel joke is on them. At least they've been liberated, permanently.

So I don't want to hear another word about sending more troops (wake up, America, John McCain is bonkers), or "redeploying" them, or waiting four months to begin the "phase-out." There is only one solution and it is this: Leave. Now. Start tonight. Get out of there as fast as we can. As much as people of good heart and conscience don't want to believe this, as much as it kills us to accept defeat, there is nothing we can do to undo the damage we have done. What's happened has happened. If you were to drive drunk down the road and you killed a child, there would be nothing you could do to bring that child back to life. If you invade and destroy a country, plunging it into a civil war, there isn’t much you can do ‘til the smoke settles and blood is mopped up. Then maybe you can atone for the atrocity you have committed and help the living come back to a better life.

The Soviet Union got out of Afghanistan in 36 weeks. They did so and suffered hardly any losses as they left. They realized the mistake they had made and removed their troops. A civil war ensued. The bad guys won. Later, we overthrew the bad guys and everybody lived happily ever after. See! It all works out in the end!

The responsibility to end this war now falls upon the Democrats. Congress controls the purse strings and the Constitution says only Congress can declare war. Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi now hold the power to put an end to this madness. Failure to do so will bring the wrath of the voters. We aren't kidding around, Democrats, and if you don't believe us, just go ahead and continue this war another month. We will fight you harder than we did the Republicans. The opening page of my website has a photo of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, each made up by a collage of photos of the American soldiers who have died in Bush's War. But it is now about to become the Bush/Democratic Party War unless swift action is taken.

This is what we demand:

1. Bring the troops home now. Not six months from now. NOW. Quit looking for a way to win. We can't win. We've lost. Sometimes you lose. This is one of those times. Be brave and admit it.

2. Apologize to our soldiers and make amends. Tell them we are sorry they were used to fight a war that had NOTHING to do with our national security. We must commit to taking care of them so that they suffer as little as possible. The mentally and physically maimed must get the best care and significant financial compensation. The families of the deceased deserve the biggest apology and they must be taken care of for the rest of their lives.

3. We must atone for the atrocity we have perpetuated on the people of Iraq. There are few evils worse than waging a war based on a lie, invading another country because you want what they have buried under the ground. Now many more will die. Their blood is on our hands, regardless for whom we voted. If you pay taxes, you have contributed to the three billion dollars a week now being spent to drive Iraq into the hellhole it's become. When the civil war is over, we will have to help rebuild Iraq. We can receive no redemption until we have atoned.

In closing, there is one final thing I know. We Americans are better than what has been done in our name. A majority of us were upset and angry after 9/11 and we lost our minds. We didn't think straight and we never looked at a map. Because we are kept stupid through our pathetic education system and our lazy media, we knew nothing of history. We didn't know that WE were the ones funding and arming Saddam for many years, including those when he massacred the Kurds. He was our guy. We didn't know what a Sunni or a Shiite was, never even heard the words. Eighty percent of our young adults (according to National Geographic) were not able to find Iraq on the map. Our leaders played off our stupidity, manipulated us with lies, and scared us to death.
:cuckoo:

But at our core we are a good people. We may be slow learners, but that "Mission Accomplished" banner struck us as odd, and soon we began to ask some questions. Then we began to get smart. By this past November 7th, we got mad and tried to right our wrongs. The majority now know the truth. The majority now feel a deep sadness and guilt and a hope that somehow we can make make it all right again.

Unfortunately, we can't. So we will accept the consequences of our actions and do our best to be there should the Iraqi people ever dare to seek our help in the future. We ask for their forgiveness.

We demand the Democrats listen to us and get out of Iraq now.

Yours,

Michael Moore
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=202

What an idiot......He's right about the education system, it was lost on him....
His writings are like reading something a Jr. High student would write...
:smoke:
 

Annie

Diamond Member
Joined
Nov 22, 2003
Messages
50,848
Reaction score
4,826
Points
1,790
All I can say is that he has a point. We won by bombing the hell out of all, until victory. I wonder if that is what M. Moore was trying to say?
 

Abbey Normal

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 9, 2005
Messages
4,825
Reaction score
392
Points
48
Location
Mid-Atlantic region
Perhaps Mikey forgot that our country was supportive of our entry into WWII, unlike his ilk. When they said they supported the troops, they truly meant it and they lived it. I'd love to see his butt "Over There" fighting for something.
 

glockmail

VIP Member
Joined
Aug 31, 2006
Messages
7,700
Reaction score
436
Points
83
Location
The beautiful Yadkin Valley
Perhaps Mikey forgot that our country was supportive of our entry into WWII, unlike his ilk. When they said they supported the troops, they truly meant it and they lived it. I'd love to see his butt "Over There" fighting for something.
The mental image of seeing his big butt anywhere is too much for me to endure.
 

akiboy

Member
Joined
Mar 28, 2006
Messages
574
Reaction score
39
Points
16
Location
Mumbai
M.Moore forgets that America won WW2 by dropping "Fat Man " and "Little Boy".Thanks to J.Robert Oppenheimer and E.O Lawrence and their Manhatten Project. Japan didnt want to get further screwed so they admitted defeat. Hitler was squeezed by the Allies and didn't want to lose so he commited suicide. America won by brute strentgh. The consequence of Hiroshima and Nagasaki scared the shit out of the Japanese , the Nazis (Coz America made the bomb before them) and the Fascists of Italy. Plus the arrival of 100,000 allied tropps commanded by the brilliant Douglas Mac Arthur and Gen. Monty was enough to send the Axis packing.

If USA had dropped atom bombs on Iraq (which would be foolish of course ) USA would have won outright without sending one soldier into Iraqi soil. And one must remember , USA actually won the battle when they caught Saddam. The insurgency going on in Iraq has no direct link to Saddam or his Baath party. These terrorists in Iraq are Al Qaeda fugitives.

Yes , I would agree Bush and Co. underestimated their invasion. What was the main aim ? To topple Saddam. And that has been done. There is no Baath Party in Iraq. There is a democratically elected Govt. in Iraq.


Akshay
 
OP
Stephanie

Stephanie

Diamond Member
Joined
Jul 11, 2004
Messages
70,230
Reaction score
10,857
Points
2,040
Picture it covered in fatigues, and in a fox hole, praying to God and begging American soldiers to help him. :)
Darn Abbey...I couldn't find him in fatigues......But I did find this one....:happy2:

 

KarlMarx

Senior Member
Joined
May 9, 2004
Messages
3,231
Reaction score
492
Points
48
Location
...
M.Moore forgets that America won WW2 by dropping "Fat Man " and "Little Boy".Thanks to J.Robert Oppenheimer and E.O Lawrence and their Manhatten Project. Japan didnt want to get further screwed so they admitted defeat. Hitler was squeezed by the Allies and didn't want to lose so he commited suicide. America won by brute strentgh. The consequence of Hiroshima and Nagasaki scared the shit out of the Japanese , the Nazis (Coz America made the bomb before them) and the Fascists of Italy. Plus the arrival of 100,000 allied tropps commanded by the brilliant Douglas Mac Arthur and Gen. Monty was enough to send the Axis packing.

If USA had dropped atom bombs on Iraq (which would be foolish of course ) USA would have won outright without sending one soldier into Iraqi soil. And one must remember , USA actually won the battle when they caught Saddam. The insurgency going on in Iraq has no direct link to Saddam or his Baath party. These terrorists in Iraq are Al Qaeda fugitives.

Yes , I would agree Bush and Co. underestimated their invasion. What was the main aim ? To topple Saddam. And that has been done. There is no Baath Party in Iraq. There is a democratically elected Govt. in Iraq.


Akshay
Great post. But, big mouth me has to point out one thing. Mussolini's government was toppled in 1943. After that, Italy was little more than a German vassal state. Mussolini and his mistress were both shot while trying to escape Italy in April 1945. The A bomb wasn't used until August of 1945. The Nazis surrendered in May of 1945.

The Nazis started development of the atom bomb, but Heisenberg (as in the Uncertainty Principle) convinced the Nazis that it was impossible to build.

The Nazis didn't know about the Manhatten Project, but Joe Stalin did. I believe FDR told him at one of the conferences they held at the end of the war.
 

glockmail

VIP Member
Joined
Aug 31, 2006
Messages
7,700
Reaction score
436
Points
83
Location
The beautiful Yadkin Valley
M.Moore forgets that America won WW2 by dropping "Fat Man " and "Little Boy".Thanks to J.Robert Oppenheimer and E.O Lawrence and their Manhatten Project. Japan didnt want to get further screwed so they admitted defeat. Hitler was squeezed by the Allies and didn't want to lose so he commited suicide. America won by brute strentgh. The consequence of Hiroshima and Nagasaki scared the shit out of the Japanese , the Nazis (Coz America made the bomb before them) and the Fascists of Italy. Plus the arrival of 100,000 allied tropps commanded by the brilliant Douglas Mac Arthur and Gen. Monty was enough to send the Axis packing.

If USA had dropped atom bombs on Iraq (which would be foolish of course ) USA would have won outright without sending one soldier into Iraqi soil. And one must remember , USA actually won the battle when they caught Saddam. The insurgency going on in Iraq has no direct link to Saddam or his Baath party. These terrorists in Iraq are Al Qaeda fugitives.

Yes , I would agree Bush and Co. underestimated their invasion. What was the main aim ? To topple Saddam. And that has been done. There is no Baath Party in Iraq. There is a democratically elected Govt. in Iraq.


Akshay

You are basically correct, but the objective in any war is to have your enemy admit defeat, and to do that you have to emove their will to fight. That's exactly what we did in WW2. Now we are up against an enemy that wants to die and be martyred, and the only war to win against that kind of person is to kill them.
 

007

Charter Member
Joined
May 8, 2004
Messages
45,111
Reaction score
13,519
Points
2,180
This fight we're in, not mentioned by that steaming pile of dog shit mickey moore, is not like any other war we've ever fought. In all the other wars we were in, there was a distinguishable enemy, that fought you on a front. They didn't hide behind disguises and dress like civilians. And we could bomb the hell out of them, and did. That's how it worked back then.

I do think that with the coming of terrorism, a whole new stratogy is needed to deal with them. Conventional warfare does not seem to be the answer. We need to out smart these coward fucking dogs.
 

glockmail

VIP Member
Joined
Aug 31, 2006
Messages
7,700
Reaction score
436
Points
83
Location
The beautiful Yadkin Valley
This fight we're in, not mentioned by that steaming pile of dog shit mickey moore, is not like any other war we've ever fought. In all the other wars we were in, there was a distinguishable enemy, that fought you on a front. They didn't hide behind disguises and dress like civilians. And we could bomb the hell out of them, and did. That's how it worked back then.

I do think that with the coming of terrorism, a whole new stratogy is needed to deal with them. Conventional warfare does not seem to be the answer. We need to out smart these coward fucking dogs.
We did 'em up in Falujah. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=17859

We know how to do it, we just lack the collective will.
 

New Topics

Most reactions - Past 7 days

Forum List

Top