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daws101
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why , what are you going to have a tantrum?only an ignorant asshole would say that.Daws if a soul exists your side have some explaining to do
A soul is just another name for sentience.
as much as you wish a soul means proof of god there is no quanitative or observed action or evidence linking the two..
belife is not evidence.
your so wrong It's funny
Be careful who you call ignorant you babbling fool.
your answer proves me right!
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daws101
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again not an answer what they do or how they got there is no proof of a designer no matter how many was you attempt to spin it.
The Enzymes I was mostly referring to help to prevent mutations. The Enzymes just conveniently found their way into the cell and our bodies.
Why are enzymes important?
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?????? What does that even mean in context? You're drunk!
Oh lovely, the angry Christian fundie is in denial.
I find it curious that when dealing with fundie Christians, thereÂ’s always an undercurrent of hate and anger, so much of it self-inflicted / directed and it turns outward.
ThatÂ’s why itÂ’s not surprising when fundies hope to direct the wrath of their angry gawds onto those who the fundies feel are deserving of their hate.
As to your wish for your angry gawd to condemn me to hell, The only "condemning aspect" of my life is the Christian based idea that as an imperfect being I deserve Hell by default. I'm fairly honest, I work hard, I love my friends and family, etc.-- in short, I'm your average person who lives a quiet life dealing with life's challenges. I cannot imagine rating eternal torment because I don't acquiesce to the Christian defined salvation program. I ask myself:
"Which is more likely: That there's really this angry god out there who would actually behave that way, or it's really in the religionÂ’s interest to establish a social dynamic where the threat of eternal torment is the outcome for not joining in that religion and btw supporting it financially. What's more likely, man needs a savior for being human, or the Church, an entity of sweeping power for more than a thousand years, needs to convince me I need them and only them?"
I think the answer is really obvious and simple. If such a thing is the reality (and of course there's no evidence for such) then I'll have to "account for my actions". But my worst "crime" in this realm is being imperfect and not believing that which I find is not supported. I can do nothing about such an angry, capricious gawd who would condemn me for such a trivial issue.
What a depressing, hopeless, and bleak existence faced by religious zealots. No wonder you folks are so angry and hateful. And there's only a marginal difference between condemning most people who ever existed to an eternity of despair versus everyone being condemned to an eternity of nothingness. It's hopeless because if such a god exists, there is no sense in morality, no true justice, and basically we are nothing but minions created to worship an infinite Ego or be consigned to everlasting torment.
If one takes the time to briefly read their christian history, one will quickly realize that the gawds are a convenience, usually for politically motivated reasons. In ancient times to the present, it is quite simple to whip up a populace into agreeing with a specific idea if you can convince that populace that there is an unseen being that is resolutely on their side. This is an extension of our tribal instincts, wherein we place the mantle of superiority upon a person or persons, providing they can deliver the things we have convinced ourselves we want. No mere mortal can come close to instilling a sense of loyalty and duty that a gawd can, especially as over the millenia the gawd's powers have been enhanced and expanded.
Why limit your review of historical christian intolerance to recent events only? Christianity's history is far more intolerant and violent than "militant" Islam today.
Forced conversion and murder of non-Christians was all too common for millenia.
Christian Europe came up with the concept of their "racial" superiority.
There are anti-Jewish elements present in Christianity, which have been promoted by various Christian theologians, even major Church and Reformationist leaders, to their Christian parishioners for millenia. This provided both the framework and acceptance of Christian antisemitism which reached its culmination in the Holocaust.
Have you hoped to avoid addressing christian intolerance and hatreds that have progressed from the crusades through the Inquisition to WW2? I view as inappropriate and even dangerous, the shirking of the need for Christian self-assessment of their traditional, and potential theological-based, anti-Jewish beliefs that permitted the horrendous acts, or apathy to, the Holocaust.
Don't need to or you would have shown me otherwise with all your knowledge of science.
The posters in this thread have shown your specious claims to supermagical gawds to be a hoax.
The issue you have yet to confront is that your "science" is cut and pasted from Harun Yahya and similar charlatans and snake oil salesmen. There's a reason why christian creationists have been humiliated in the courts and rebuked by the relevant science community: religion is not science.
Actually, the Ark nonsense is both conjecture and nonsense. Like so many biblical tales and fables, legend building has allowed stories told, re-told and re-told again and again to be built and modified as the tellers passed on the tale.
Did you realize that you just condemned every one of your arguments for biblical inerrancy (and basically everything else in the bible), to the trash can?
Sheesh, what a simpleton.
The Enzymes I was mostly referring to help to prevent mutations. The Enzymes just conveniently found their way into the cell and our bodies.
Why are enzymes important?
Uh oh is right. As usual, the fundies are cutting and pasting from fundie websites where the authors are social misfits, non-scientists and just plain christian creationist hacks.
What I find laughable is that the article in the Christian creationist tabloid you cut and pasted from was authored by Casey Luskin.
Encyclopedia of American Loons: Search results for luskin
Casey Luskin, a.k.a. the Baghdad Bob of creationism
Casey Luskin is a lawyer (and not a scientist, although he seems to be a little confused about what such credentials do or don't mean) and one of the primary spokespeople for the Discovery Institute. Mr. Luskin obtained a Bachelor of Science and a Masters Degree in Earth Sciences from the University of California, San Diego, and has as a lawyer published “Intelligent Design Will Survive Kitzmiller v. Dover”, and “Alternative Viewpoints about Biological Origins as Taught in Public Schools” (published in the Journal of Church and State). His work illustrates well the actual goal of the Discovery Institute – to get religion, in the form of intelligent design creationism, into public school curricula (not to do any actual scientific research).
Luskin is by far most notorious for his ability to distort scientific evidence to suggest conclusions completely opposite to what the evidence suggests (and curiously always to fit his preconceived notions of what it ought to show), such as here. An even better example of the distortions and quote mining (to put it mildly) he usually reverts to is perhaps this one (or this one). And if you are feeling particularly sadistic, you can watch Luskin getting completely eviscerated here.
The problem with Luskin and his ilk is that they're ignorant of a topic about which they believe they're experts (see The Dunning-Kruger Effect). Luskin appears to believe he’s an expert with absolute confidence and pride, but to anyone with even a cursory understanding of the fields in question his failings are miserably obvious (see also this). In fact, his misunderstandings of science – and his lack of awareness of his own lack of understanding – often reach epic proportions.
Luskin is also interestingly paranoid, going so far as to claim that published articles on evolution contain “veiled threats” against the creationists and that Nature, for instance, has launched a propaganda war on creationism. Of course, science itself is a threat to creationism; what Luskin fails to grasp is the fact that science is concerned with evidence, not argument and polemics. By failing to see the difference (and furthermore failing to distinguish criticism from personal attacks) he comes to equate scientific evidence against his dogmatic beliefs with personal attacks from the scientists who have discovered the evidence (for more on Luskin’s lack of understanding of how science works, see this).
A good assignment in an introductory critical thinking class is to identify some of the mistakes Luskin makes here (I have used it myself).
Diagnosis: Staggeringly cranky illustration of where Dunning-Kruger, confirmation bias and complete lack of understanding of science can lead you. He is very productive and vociferous, and must be considered rather dangerous to a rationality-based, modern civilization.
I think its hilarious when the fundies get so flustered at the arguments failing before them that they're reduced to name-calling.
Maybe funnier still is the quote-mining from Henry Morris.
Henry M. Morris - RationalWiki
Morris founded such pseudoscientific organizations as the Creation Research Society and the Institute for Creation Research. These institutions suffered major infighting as their various founders duked it out over disputes in theology, rather than just agree to disagree as most proper scientists would have done.
He was also one of the first to attempt modifications to the philosophy of science so as to characterize science as a complete world-view, or religion, which is of course a colossal straw man (see our article on secular religions).
Racism
Morris was a believer in the old racist myth of the Curse of Ham, holding that those people who were not Semitic or "Japhetic" (white European) were Hamitic, and "possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane matters, they have eventually been displaced by the intellectual and philosophical acumen of the Japhethites and the religious zeal of the Semites."[3]
put your man pants on and admit you're wrong---got it!
Daws the desperation is not mine
For the fundie christians who aren't keeping up to speed with the charlatans at the christian creationist ministries:
Macroevolution: Its definition, Philosophy and History
Creationists often assert that "macroevolution" is not proven, even if "microevolution" is, and by this they seem to mean that whatever evolution is observed is microevolution, but the rest is macroevolution. In making these claims they are misusing authentic scientific terms; that is, they have a non-standard definition, which they use to make science appear to be saying something other than it is. Evolution proponents often say that creationists invented the terms. This is false. Both macroevolution and microevolution are legitimate scientific terms, which have a history of changing meanings that, in any case, fail to underpin creationism.
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Wrong,there has never been any case of observed macroevolution. They are not the same thing micro and macro evolution. Really what has beeen observed was micro adaptations. Microadaptations have been extrapolated from as evidence for macro evolution.
It is unimportant that we haven't observed it directly because we have evidence that it happened, with many, many transitional fossils that were found, and a few that were predicted as a result of evolutionary theory, and found after they were predicted to exist. For example, tiktaalik perfectly demonstrates how evolutionary theory can make a prediction about what we should expect to find in the fossil record, including where exactly in the strata, and it was actually found where it was predicted.
Tiktaalik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kinda how they predicted something went extinct several hundred million years ago and we found them alive and doing well ?
sorry? was this supposed to be a point of somekind?
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