Covid-19 Deaths under Biden Surpass Deaths during Trump Administration

[Sixties Fan]

That's just nonsense....Partisan blame game....These are fellow American's are they not?

What Partisan?

Trump supporters only, took disinfectants or injected themselves with bleach or whatever, because he mentioned such a thing during a speech. That doing so would save them from covid.

Fellow Americans for sure, who decided to listen 100% to the President, something they should have known better, but did not.

And therefore the consequences of poisoning and death.

 

[easyt65]

DEMOCRATS, not COVID, murdered tens of thousands of elderly Americans by knowingly, intentionally putting virus-infected patients in nursing homes.

Biden murdered thousands by lying to them, telling vaccinated people they could not get the virus.

He and Democrats destroyed 60% of all minority-owned small businesses with Un-Constitutional mandates Democrates violated themselves.

 

[Sixties Fan]

DEMOCRATS, not COVID, murdered tens of thousands of elderly Americans by knowingly, intentionally putting virus-infected patients in nursing homes.

Biden murdered thousands by lying to them, telling vaccinated people they could not get the virus.

He and Democrats destroyed 60% of all minority-owned small businesses with Un-Constitutional mandates Democrates violated themselves.

And your proof of all of the above is:

Absolute ZERO

 

[tshrimp]

You choice of words is rather.......empty.

He was the President of the USA.
Many relied on what he said, what he believed in.
And they believed what he said

US deaths due to poisoning rise after Trump endorses bleach, disinfectant as COVID-19 treatment

The American Association of Poison Control Center (AAPCC) has released the latest figures that show a substantial spike in deaths in the country due to accidental poisoning caused by the intake of bleach, household cleaners and other disinfectants over the past two months. This spike has been...

www.indiatvnews.com

Accidental Poisonings Increased After President Trump's Disinfectant Comments

Disinfectant poisonings were up as much as 121% in April

time.com

Calls To Poison Centers Spike After The President’s Comments About Using Disinfectants To Treat Coronavirus

Words have consequences. It’s as simple as that, and words coming from the President of the United States matter.

www.forbes.com

States Report Spike in Poison Control Calls After Trump's Comments About Injecting Disinfectant

President Donald Trump recently asked his coronavirus task force about injecting patients with disinfectant to treat COVID-19

people.com

Again he did not mandate anything.

That is the problem with the left, they want the government to think for them. The right can think for themselves. I have the ability to hear what the president says, but make my own decisions. You should try it sometime. It is called freedom.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Again he did not mandate anything.

That is the problem with the left, they want the government to think for them. The right can think for themselves. I have the ability to hear what the president says, but make my own decisions. You should try it sometime. It is called freedom.

He did not mandate.

He inferred.

And it was not the left which was taking the disinfectant, it was his supporters on the right.

How can that be called thinking for themselves?

None of those who got poisoned or died because they listened to that speech and believed him were capable of making their own decisions.

Actually, they made the decision to take the disinfectant. They believed him and did take the chance by making the choice to try it.


So much for "freedom" of thinking or making one's own decisions.

 

[tshrimp]

And your proof of all of the above is:

Absolute ZERO

Did you not watch the news when all that was going on In NY with Cuomo?

I will respond for the poster since so easy to find.

MSN

www.msn.com

Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York was not the only state leader to have directed nursing homes to admit patients who had been hospitalized for COVID-19. Governors from Michigan, California, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, all Democrats, enacted similar policies last year

 

[tshrimp]

He did not mandate.

He inferred.

And it was not the left which was taking the disinfectant, it was his supporters on the right.

How can that be called thinking for themselves?

None of those who got poisoned or died because they listened to that speech and believed him were capable of making their own decisions.

They allowed him to think for them.

So much for "freedom" of thinking or making one's own decisions.

Again. Trump never mandated people not wear masks. He is not responsible for those who did or didn’t wear masks as “inferring” means nothing. Your president stated you cannot get Covid if you get the vaccine, and you and I knew this was not true. And if a black person didn’t vote for him they were still black .

Also, even politicrap admits Trump never told people to take beach.

No, Trump didn’t tell Americans infected with the coronavirus to drink bleach​

 

[Sixties Fan]

Did you not watch the news when all that was going on In NY with Cuomo?

I will respond for the poster since so easy to find.

MSN

www.msn.com

easyt65 said:
DEMOCRATS, not COVID, murdered tens of thousands of elderly Americans by knowingly, intentionally putting virus-infected patients in nursing homes.

Biden murdered thousands by lying to them, telling vaccinated people they could not get the virus.

He and Democrats destroyed 60% of all minority-owned small businesses with Un-Constitutional mandates Democrates violated themselves.
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1) That is one Democrat at the very start of the virus.

2) Biden only told the population what was known at the time. As soon as it was realized that vaccinated people could get it, or get it again, doctors and scientists revised their findings.

3) The virus, and inability to keep many businesses open is what destroyed those businesses. Many others adapted, or started doing business from home, or online.

4). The mask and vaccine Mandates are not Unconstitutional.

The Miscellany News

The Miscellany News, one of the oldest collegiate weeklies in the country, has been the student newspaper of Vassar College since 1866. Produced by over sixty student volunteers, The Miscellany News sets Vassar’s standard for reporting, creative thinking, exemplary writing and journalistic excellenc

miscellanynews.org

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“The legal question is: Are you violating the rights of an individual, and if so, does the state have a really good reason for doing it?” said George J. Annas, JD, a Boston University School of Public Health professor of health law, ethics, and human rights.

A precedent was set with a nearly 120-year-old Supreme Court case, Annas said. In 1904, Jacobson v. Massachusetts established the right to require vaccination against smallpox or face a $5 fine. Similarly, Biden’s proposed mandate would fine employers up to $13,600 per violation.

Most COVID-19 vaccine mandates also come with a choice for individuals: Get vaccinated or get tested, Annas says.

“No one is going to hold you down and get a vaccine,” he says. “Most mandates give you the chance to get tested regularly, [which] would be more of a pain than getting the shot.”

In general, employers are free to require employees be vaccinated, and schools have been mandating vaccines for measles and other diseases for years. But Texas Gov. Greg Abbott on Monday issued an executive order that prohibits any business or other entity from requiring COVID-19 vaccinations, which he said he’d withdraw if state lawmakers pass a similar permanent law.

Mask mandates are, in some ways, even easier to impose, Annas said. These requirements allow people to take part in certain activities, such as in-person schooling. Like vaccines, people cannot be forced to comply, but they can be excluded from partaking.
“Mask mandates allow you to be part of doing something. You’re not going to be forced to put on a mask,” Annas said. “But they can say ‘Your child will not come to school without a mask.’”

Legal scholars also say the case for religious exemption is likely not strong enough to win in court. One religious concern that has circulated is that fetal cell lines developed from aborted cells were used to produce the Johnson & Johnson shot. But most leaders from faiths across the board have come out in favor of the vaccine. Pope Francis called getting vaccinated against COVID-19 an “act of love.”

In a 1944 case, Prince v. Commonwealth of Massachusetts, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that “the right to practice religion freely does not include liberty to expose the community or the child to communicable disease or the latter to ill health or death.”

COVID-19 Vaccines

Vaccines are seen as one of the best ways to stop COVID-19. Learn more about the types of vaccines, including the newly approved Novavax.

www.webmd.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Again. Trump never mandated people not wear masks. He is not responsible for those who did or didn’t wear masks as “inferring” means nothing. Your president stated you cannot get Covid if you get the vaccine, and you and I knew this was not true. And if a black person didn’t vote for him they were still black .

Also, even politicrap admits Trump never told people to take beach.

There is no need to mandate.
He suggests.
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Trump’s comments on disinfectants came after William Bryan, who leads the Science and Technology Directorate at the Department of Homeland Security, spoke at the Thursday briefing about how researchers are testing the effect of disinfectantson virus-laden saliva and respiratory fluids in the laboratory. They kill the virus very quickly, he said. Bryan said injections weren’t part of the disinfectant research.

Trump suggested studying injections of disinfectant to treat coronavirus, then said he was being sarcastic. Here’s video and a transcript.

Don’t inject disinfectants, health officials leapt to warn on Friday, reacting to President Donald Trump’s comment that disinfectants perhaps could be injected or ingested to fight COVI…

www.chicagotribune.com

And people who are clearly ignorant, and listen to everything he says, will try it out. When the disinfectants should never have been mentioned by him.

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And it does not look like he also said anything about this one:

One of the bizarre reactions to the COVID-19 pandemic was President Donald Trump continually pushing supporters to take Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate.

While there never evidence the drug could successfully treat coronavirus, Trump began pushing it regardless — even after his own agencies issued warnings the drug could harm patients.

The people who took the drug, including the president himself, could be denied health insurance.

Trump fans who took hydroxychloroquine could be denied health insurance if SCOTUS kills Obamacare - Salon.com

President Trump continually pushed his supporters to take Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate to fight COVID-19

www.salon.com

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Yes, nothing like causing a shortage of Hydroxycloroquine for those who really need the medicine to combat Lupus and Malaria.

Hydroxychloroquine: MedlinePlus Drug Information

Hydroxychloroquine: learn about side effects, dosage, special precautions, and more on MedlinePlus

medlineplus.gov

 

[tshrimp]

easyt65 said:
DEMOCRATS, not COVID, murdered tens of thousands of elderly Americans by knowingly, intentionally putting virus-infected patients in nursing homes.

Biden murdered thousands by lying to them, telling vaccinated people they could not get the virus.

He and Democrats destroyed 60% of all minority-owned small businesses with Un-Constitutional mandates Democrates violated themselves.
------------------
1) That is one Democrat at the very start of the virus.

2) Biden only told the population what was known at the time. As soon as it was realized that vaccinated people could get it, or get it again, doctors and scientists revised their findings.

3) The virus, and inability to keep many businesses open is what destroyed those businesses. Many others adapted, or started doing business from home, or online.

4). The mask and vaccine Mandates are not Unconstitutional.

The Miscellany News

The Miscellany News, one of the oldest collegiate weeklies in the country, has been the student newspaper of Vassar College since 1866. Produced by over sixty student volunteers, The Miscellany News sets Vassar’s standard for reporting, creative thinking, exemplary writing and journalistic excellenc

miscellanynews.org

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“The legal question is: Are you violating the rights of an individual, and if so, does the state have a really good reason for doing it?” said George J. Annas, JD, a Boston University School of Public Health professor of health law, ethics, and human rights.

A precedent was set with a nearly 120-year-old Supreme Court case, Annas said. In 1904, Jacobson v. Massachusetts established the right to require vaccination against smallpox or face a $5 fine. Similarly, Biden’s proposed mandate would fine employers up to $13,600 per violation.

Most COVID-19 vaccine mandates also come with a choice for individuals: Get vaccinated or get tested, Annas says.

“No one is going to hold you down and get a vaccine,” he says. “Most mandates give you the chance to get tested regularly, [which] would be more of a pain than getting the shot.”

In general, employers are free to require employees be vaccinated, and schools have been mandating vaccines for measles and other diseases for years. But Texas Gov. Greg Abbott on Monday issued an executive order that prohibits any business or other entity from requiring COVID-19 vaccinations, which he said he’d withdraw if state lawmakers pass a similar permanent law.

Mask mandates are, in some ways, even easier to impose, Annas said. These requirements allow people to take part in certain activities, such as in-person schooling. Like vaccines, people cannot be forced to comply, but they can be excluded from partaking.
“Mask mandates allow you to be part of doing something. You’re not going to be forced to put on a mask,” Annas said. “But they can say ‘Your child will not come to school without a mask.’”

Legal scholars also say the case for religious exemption is likely not strong enough to win in court. One religious concern that has circulated is that fetal cell lines developed from aborted cells were used to produce the Johnson & Johnson shot. But most leaders from faiths across the board have come out in favor of the vaccine. Pope Francis called getting vaccinated against COVID-19 an “act of love.”

In a 1944 case, Prince v. Commonwealth of Massachusetts, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that “the right to practice religion freely does not include liberty to expose the community or the child to communicable disease or the latter to ill health or death.”

COVID-19 Vaccines

Vaccines are seen as one of the best ways to stop COVID-19. Learn more about the types of vaccines, including the newly approved Novavax.

www.webmd.com

1. Per article it was 5, all democrats.
2. We knew from day one vaccinated people could get Covid. His statement was even called out in minutes at real media outlets.
3. Your statement here is just not accurate. Forcing businesses to close caused those businesses not to be able to take in money is what caused them to go out of business. Not all business can take place from home. Manufacturing, retail, etc..
4. Vaccine mandates are unconstitutional.

Biden’s Vaccine Mandate Is Unconstitutional

On September 9, President Joe Biden unveiled his Covid-19 Action Plan, “a six-pronged, comprehensive national strategy” to combat the pandemic. The most controversial provision, covering some 80 million Americans, mandates that all employers with 100 or more employees must ensure that each...

www.city-journal.org

Why Biden's COVID-19 Vaccine Mandate Is Unconstitutional

President Joe Biden’s vaccine mandate seeks to supplant the primary role of the states in public health beyond all past precedent. Despite coming in the midst of a terrible pandemic, his order undermines the Constitution’s...

www.aei.org

Biden knows his vax mandates are unconstitutional — but just doesn’t care

Clearly, President Joe Biden is not chastened by the Supreme Court smackdown he got just a couple of weeks ago, when the justices invalidated the eviction moratorium that even administration offici…

nypost.com

 

[tshrimp]

There is no need to mandate.
He suggests.
------
Trump’s comments on disinfectants came after William Bryan, who leads the Science and Technology Directorate at the Department of Homeland Security, spoke at the Thursday briefing about how researchers are testing the effect of disinfectantson virus-laden saliva and respiratory fluids in the laboratory. They kill the virus very quickly, he said. Bryan said injections weren’t part of the disinfectant research.

Trump suggested studying injections of disinfectant to treat coronavirus, then said he was being sarcastic. Here’s video and a transcript.

Don’t inject disinfectants, health officials leapt to warn on Friday, reacting to President Donald Trump’s comment that disinfectants perhaps could be injected or ingested to fight COVI…

www.chicagotribune.com

And people who are clearly ignorant, and listen to everything he says, will try it out. When the disinfectants should never have been mentioned by him.

----------
And it does not look like he also said anything about this one:

One of the bizarre reactions to the COVID-19 pandemic was President Donald Trump continually pushing supporters to take Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate.

While there never evidence the drug could successfully treat coronavirus, Trump began pushing it regardless — even after his own agencies issued warnings the drug could harm patients.

The people who took the drug, including the president himself, could be denied health insurance.

Trump fans who took hydroxychloroquine could be denied health insurance if SCOTUS kills Obamacare - Salon.com

President Trump continually pushed his supporters to take Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate to fight COVID-19

www.salon.com

-----
Yes, nothing like causing a shortage of Hydroxycloroquine for those who really need the medicine to combat Lupus and Malaria.

Hydroxychloroquine: MedlinePlus Drug Information

Hydroxychloroquine: learn about side effects, dosage, special precautions, and more on MedlinePlus

medlineplus.gov

Okay, I guess we are going to disagree. You can think a suggestion is the same as a mandate if you want I guess, however, legally they are different. Just ask Biden as his “suggestion” is in court.

 

[Sixties Fan]

1. Per article it was 5, all democrats.
2. We knew from day one vaccinated people could get Covid. His statement was even called out in minutes at real media outlets.
3. Your statement here is just not accurate. Forcing businesses to close caused those businesses not to be able to take in money is what caused them to go out of business. Not all business can take place from home. Manufacturing, retail, etc..
4. Vaccine mandates are unconstitutional.

Biden’s Vaccine Mandate Is Unconstitutional

On September 9, President Joe Biden unveiled his Covid-19 Action Plan, “a six-pronged, comprehensive national strategy” to combat the pandemic. The most controversial provision, covering some 80 million Americans, mandates that all employers with 100 or more employees must ensure that each...

www.city-journal.org

Why Biden's COVID-19 Vaccine Mandate Is Unconstitutional

President Joe Biden’s vaccine mandate seeks to supplant the primary role of the states in public health beyond all past precedent. Despite coming in the midst of a terrible pandemic, his order undermines the Constitution’s...

www.aei.org

Biden knows his vax mandates are unconstitutional — but just doesn’t care

Clearly, President Joe Biden is not chastened by the Supreme Court smackdown he got just a couple of weeks ago, when the justices invalidated the eviction moratorium that even administration offici…

nypost.com

2). How was it known from day one that vaccinated people could contract the virus? Link

3) No, not all businesses can do things from home, online. Vide Broadway for example. But that is something that happened all over the world, not just in the US. It is the result of a Pandemic.
Pandemics are like fires or flooding. Not all people will lose their homes or businesses, but many will and one cannot fault the governments for it.

4).
It's worth noting that there's legal precedent for vaccine mandates, though primarily in contexts other than employment.

"The Supreme Court already decided in 1905 in Jacobson v. Massachusetts that there is no constitutional right to evade a vaccination mandate calculated to protect the community," Georgia State University College of Law professor Anthony Kreis told CNN. "This is why we can permissibly have vaccination requirements for children to attend school, for example."
That 1905 Supreme Court decision is seen as the most relevant case supporting the legality of vaccine mandates. Even conservative Justice Neil Gorsuch has signaled that he would vote in favor of the Massachusetts vaccine mandate if the Jacobson case was before the court today.

Fact check: Are Biden's vaccine mandates 'unlawful'?

President Joe Biden's new vaccine requirements could apply to as many as 100 million Americans, or almost two-thirds of the American workforce, and have spawned a predictable pushback from a handful of Republican states -- making them the latest frontier in the fight between the administration...

www.cnn.com

If you wish to go against the court decisions that is your choice, but it will not give anyone the right to evade that mandate as it is made to save lives.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Okay, I guess we are going to disagree. You can think a suggestion is the same as a mandate if you want I guess, however, legally they are different. Just ask Biden as his “suggestion” is in court.

Has Biden't suggestion, which is in court, made anyone take anything which poisoned or killed them so far?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Less or Fewer, really doesn't matter.
Point was, the Virus killed 65 million jobs because Trump mishandled the response, so that's on him. The rest of the world didn't have the devastation we had. We had 4% of the world's population and 25% of the Covid Deaths under Trump.

Not because of him. Another lie. At least you’re consistent. Guess you believed the numbers coming out of China lol.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

The fire started under trump, who did nothing to put it out.

Now Joe's putting it out.

See that guys, the reason I'm leftist is guys like Otis, they're so logical & reasonable it's sick.

You guys might think more deaths & cases on Biden's watch is worse, but you got it all wrong, Biden's putting the fire out.

This is Trump's fault and the incubation period has proved to be 11 months now & climbing, just like the number of cases & deaths.

Let's Go Brandon!

 

[tshrimp]

Has Biden't suggestion, which is in court, made anyone take anything which poisoned or killed them so far?

Yes. The vaccine has killed over 20,000 as of 12/17/2021.

VAERS Summary for COVID-19 Vaccines through 12/17/2021 – VAERS Analysis

Edit: And again Trump never stated for anyone to take bleach as I showed in earlier post even via liberal fact checking sites, yet you keep trying to state.

 

[tshrimp]

2). How was it known from day one that vaccinated people could contract the virus? Link

3) No, not all businesses can do things from home, online. Vide Broadway for example. But that is something that happened all over the world, not just in the US. It is the result of a Pandemic.
Pandemics are like fires or flooding. Not all people will lose their homes or businesses, but many will and one cannot fault the governments for it.

4).
It's worth noting that there's legal precedent for vaccine mandates, though primarily in contexts other than employment.

"The Supreme Court already decided in 1905 in Jacobson v. Massachusetts that there is no constitutional right to evade a vaccination mandate calculated to protect the community," Georgia State University College of Law professor Anthony Kreis told CNN. "This is why we can permissibly have vaccination requirements for children to attend school, for example."
That 1905 Supreme Court decision is seen as the most relevant case supporting the legality of vaccine mandates. Even conservative Justice Neil Gorsuch has signaled that he would vote in favor of the Massachusetts vaccine mandate if the Jacobson case was before the court today.

Fact check: Are Biden's vaccine mandates 'unlawful'?

President Joe Biden's new vaccine requirements could apply to as many as 100 million Americans, or almost two-thirds of the American workforce, and have spawned a predictable pushback from a handful of Republican states -- making them the latest frontier in the fight between the administration...

www.cnn.com

If you wish to go against the court decisions that is your choice, but it will not give anyone the right to evade that mandate as it is made to save lives.

2. Worries me that you have to ask this. Makes me realize you are not watching the news or keeping up with current events as all reputable media outlets reported on this, but here you go.

During a town hall event in July, hosted by CNN’s Don Lemon, President Joe Biden assured the country that if they were vaccinated, they would not contract COVID-19. He said it to motivate people to get vaccinated, but it wasn't true.

“You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,” Biden stated bluntly at the time. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention informs us people can still get COVID-19 even after being vaccinated.

And another.

President Biden falsely claimed during CNN’s town hall event that if you have been vaccinated, you cannot get Covid-19.

3. We agree a little, but don't see how a government action causes a hardship on a business, yet you claim they are not to blame.
4. A link to CNN for a fact check is awesome. That is like trying getting a fact check if an unborn baby is a life from Planned Parenthood. However, here you go on this one as well.

Biden’s Vaccine Mandate Is Unconstitutional

On September 9, President Joe Biden unveiled his Covid-19 Action Plan, “a six-pronged, comprehensive national strategy” to combat the pandemic. The most controversial provision, covering some 80 million Americans, mandates that all employers with 100 or more employees must ensure that each...

www.city-journal.org

Leaving aside the merits of a vaccine mandate, such decisions properly belong to the states, not the federal government. Supreme Court precedents on the validity of vaccine mandates—Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905) and Zucht v. King (1922), both involving smallpox vaccination—involve state, not federal, laws.

The Court has never suggested that Congress could adopt such a mandate...

Now let's look at what CNN said when Trump incorrectly stated something similar. Keep in mind this is CNN, so don't take it as fact. However, since you used them I thought I would do the same.

Fact check: Trump falsely claims the president has 'total' authority over coronavirus restrictions

President Donald Trump falsely claimed on Monday that, as President, he has "total" authority to decide to lift restrictions governors have imposed to fight the coronavirus pandemic.

www.cnn.com

Fact check: Trump falsely claims the president has 'total' authority over coronavirus restrictions​

 

[jknowgood]

Well yes

Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame

An analysis by NPR shows that since the vaccine rollout, counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump have had more than twice the COVID mortality rates of those that voted for Joe Biden.

www.npr.org

Biden stated almost a year ago he was going to get rid of covid. What happened?

 

[Esdraelon]

Trump called it a hoax.

Link to audio or a transcript where he said it was a hoax. Otherwise, you're just a lying POS.

 

[dudmuck]

Biden stated almost a year ago he was going to get rid of covid. What happened?

Two things happenend.

The delta variant started coming here in the summer.

And the second is the larger proportion of people refusing vaccinations. The mandates rolled out in September, but was considered two months late. The legal challenges to bad mandates would have been difficult to defend while it wasn't yet known how bad Delta would have become. And now we are seeing a rerun of this with omnicron. So, in the end Biden is simultaneously an authoritarian while not doing enough to stop covid. It requires leadership at the state level, but instead some states are fighting.