Counting "undocumented", aka illegals too for political power in DC

[IDIOCRACY]

I asked this question before, without an answer, but perhaps this website adds clarification. The democrats changed the census to include "undocumented", so their States could receive more federal dollars. That I already knew, but.....

My question was, do the number of "undocumented" people count for the number of State US Representatives, and I think the answer is YES.

Funny, there's always this argument "illegals don't vote". Well, that's not necessarily true, though if they're counted for US representation, then the answer sure as **** is yeah, they essentially do, though not necessarily for POTUS.

The main constitutional purpose of the decennial US census is to allocate seats in the House of Representatives—and thus Electoral College votes—to states. In practice, the census enumerates all residents of each state—regardless of their citizenship status or legal right to live in the country. There have recently been high-profile claims that including undocumented residents in census data used for apportionment unfairly inflates the number of House seats and Electoral College votes for politically “blue” states at the expense of politically “red” states. We find that this is largely not the case; including undocumented residents in census data used for apportionment has had a negligible impact on apportionment since at least 1980.

This is me coughing at :"negligible impact".. Sure maybe as of today if they're being honest, but it shouldn't be happening at all.

https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/4/2/pgaf021/7985327

 

[Stuartbirdan2]

I asked this question before, without an answer, but perhaps this website adds clarification. The democrats changed the census to include "undocumented", so their States could receive more federal dollars. That I already knew, but.....

My question was, do the number of "undocumented" people count for the number of State US Representatives, and I think the answer is YES.

Funny, there's always this argument "illegals don't vote". Well, that's not necessarily true, though if they're counted for US representation, then the answer sure as **** is yeah, they essentially do, though not necessarily for POTUS.

The main constitutional purpose of the decennial US census is to allocate seats in the House of Representatives—and thus Electoral College votes—to states. In practice, the census enumerates all residents of each state—regardless of their citizenship status or legal right to live in the country. There have recently been high-profile claims that including undocumented residents in census data used for apportionment unfairly inflates the number of House seats and Electoral College votes for politically “blue” states at the expense of politically “red” states. We find that this is largely not the case; including undocumented residents in census data used for apportionment has had a negligible impact on apportionment since at least 1980.

This is me coughing at :"negligible impact".. Sure maybe as of today if they're being honest, but it shouldn't be happening at all.

https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/4/2/pgaf021/7985327

 

[kyzr]

Trump needs to re-do the illegal 2020 census that counted illegals and gave blue states ~24 representatives they are not entitled to.
Combine that with the gerrymandered blue states and it stole serious congressional power from Republicans.
Instead of a small House majority, Republicans should have a large House majority.

 

[Hafar1014]

The 2030 census will not count illegals resulting in a massive loss for democrats and gain fir the GOP that will shift the balance of power for decades.

 

[Thinker101]

The 2030 census will not count illegals resulting in a massive loss for democrats and gain fir the GOP that will shift the balance of power for decades.

By 2030 Democrats will want to include counting of goats and cows.

 

[kyzr]

The 2030 census will not count illegals resulting in a massive loss for democrats and gain fir the GOP that will shift the balance of power for decades.

Only if Republicans keep the WH in 2028.

 

[Hafar1014]

Only if Republicans keep the WH in 2028.

At the rate democrats are losing voters, dropping in approvals, and have no candidates, They dont have snowballs chance in hell.

 

[BlindBoo]

Since the first census of the United States in 1790, counts that include both citizens and noncitizens have been used to apportion seats in the House of Representatives, with states gaining or losing based on population change over the previous decade.

How removing unauthorized immigrants from census statistics could affect House reapportionment

If unauthorized U.S. immigrants aren't counted, 3 states could each lose a seat they otherwise would have had and 3 others each could gain one.

www.pewresearch.org

Nothing like a 235 year old precedent ( lasting the entirety of the Republic), for the Neo-GOP to overturn for the purely partisan objective of a King like executive, loyal to their radical agenda.

 

[Hafar1014]

Since the first census of the United States in 1790, counts that include both citizens and noncitizens have been used to apportion seats in the House of Representatives, with states gaining or losing based on population change over the previous decade.

How removing unauthorized immigrants from census statistics could affect House reapportionment

If unauthorized U.S. immigrants aren't counted, 3 states could each lose a seat they otherwise would have had and 3 others each could gain one.

www.pewresearch.org

Nothing like a 235 year old precedent ( lasting the entirety of the Republic), for the Neo-GOP to overturn for the purely partisan objective of a King like executive, loyal to their radical agenda.

Invaders from other countries arent persons or citizens. They will not be counted and democrats will lose many seats. Democrats attempt to alter the census is a total failure and resulted an invasion of criminals

 

[BlindBoo]

Invaders from other countries arent persons

Survey says (I mean AI)

If "invaders" refers to individuals who are part of a military force engaged in hostile acts against another country, while their actions may be condemned and have severe consequences under both domestic and international law, their personhood in a biological sense (being human) remains unchanged.

If "invaders" is used as a term to describe people migrating to another country, regardless of their legal status, then the assertion that they are "not persons" is demonstrably false and potentially harmful.

Democrats attempt to alter the census is a total failure

The Census has always counted everyone not just citizens (except the Native Americans we displaced, for a while)

 

[BluesLegend]

Only if Republicans keep the WH in 2028.

I'm shocked people are still surprised how corrupt and down right evil Democrats are. With their party circling the drain this is when they are at their most dangerous. As they pull out all the stops legal and illegal to cling to power like a dying dictatorship we need to be on guard!

 

[BluesLegend]

Democrats want control of the House! Do not doubt me. This is their #1 goal and these smaller House elections are the easiest to steal.

Dems constantly talk about it. By hook or by crook, even organizing the invasion of 20 million illegals to SCAM the census to SCAM boost the number of Dems in the House.

The House gives them control of the money. The House gives them the ability to go on witch hunts and bankrupt their political enemies with legal bills in cahoots with corrupt Dem shills in the DOJ and FBI. Even a POTUS is not safe from Democrats.

 

[kyzr]

I'm shocked people are still surprised how corrupt and down right evil Democrats are. With their party circling the drain this is when they are at their most dangerous. As they pull out all the stops legal and illegal to cling to power like a dying dictatorship we need to be on guard!

The other side of that coin is that Republicans can't rest on their laurels, and think the dems are toast.
Republicans need to keep improving their current advantages, re-do the census, gerrymander, we got Musk back, limit mail-in voting, etc.

 

[Hafar1014]

Survey says (I mean AI)

If "invaders" refers to individuals who are part of a military force engaged in hostile acts against another country, while their actions may be condemned and have severe consequences under both domestic and international law, their personhood in a biological sense (being human) remains unchanged.

If "invaders" is used as a term to describe people migrating to another country, regardless of their legal status, then the assertion that they are "not persons" is demonstrably false and potentially harmful.



The Census has always counted everyone not just citizens (except the Native Americans we displaced, for a while)

It says persons with no context. So whats a person today. Its a legal voter. Lets see what the SC says assuming any illegals are still here in 5 years