Could this be a path to ending the war?

[berg80]

Trump says U.S. will destroy Iran’s oil wells, Kharg Island without deal to ‘immediately’ reopen Hormuz Strait​

U.S. President Donald Trump has said the U.S. will “completely” obliterate Iran’s electric generating plants, oil wells and Kharg Island if the Strait of Hormuz is not “immediately” reopened and a peace deal is not reached “shortly.”

“The United States of America is in serious discussions with A NEW, AND MORE REASONABLE, REGIME to end our Military Operations in Iran,” he said in a post on Truth Social on Monday morning.

“Great progress has been made but, if for any reason a deal is not shortly reached, which it probably will be, and if the Hormuz Strait is not immediately “Open for Business,” we will conclude our lovely “stay” in Iran by blowing up and completely obliterating all of their Electric Generating Plants, Oil Wells and Kharg Island (and possibly all desalinization plants!), which we have purposefully not yet “touched.”″

Trump says U.S. will destroy Iran’s oil wells, Kharg Island without deal to 'immediately' reopen Hormuz Strait

Donald Trump warned the U.S. will completely obliterate all of Iran's electric generating plants, oil wells and Kharg Island if a peace deal is not reached.

www.cnbc.com

I believe that's referred to as shotgun diplomacy. BTW, blowing up power plants is a war crime. But that hasn't stopped trump so far. No wonder he got rid of the JAG's.

'People Are Very Scared': Trump Administration Purge of JAG Officers Raises Legal, Ethical Fears​

'People Are Very Scared': Trump Administration Purge of JAG Officers Raises Legal, Ethical Fears | Military.com

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[Dragonlady]

A deal is the only play they have left.

If you actually believe that, you're just as stupid as Donald Trump. The guy who said they'd never close the Straits.

Trump is a guy who following his gut instincts into 7 business bankruptcies and 4000+ lawsuits, and you think he's a brilliant business man.

 

[Dragonlady]

Both sides are making unreasonable demands. My hope is Dotard will extend the 5 day deadline as long as some sort of progress is being made. Otherwise, oil goes higher, the market goes lower, and the global economy heads for a recession.

I don't see much that is unreasonable in the Iranians' ask. Reparations for an unprovoked attack are not unreasonable.

Iran followed the original treaty until Trump tore it up. The USA has no one to blame but themselves for this mess, and the Iranians have every right to be pissed off.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

U.S. Is Said to Have Sent Iran a Peace Plan​

The United States has sent Iran a 15-point plan to end the war in the Middle East, according to two officials briefed on the diplomacy, reflecting the Trump administration’s eagerness to find an offramp from the conflict as it grapples with its economic fallout.

It was unclear how widely the plan, delivered by way of Pakistan, had been shared among Iranian officials and whether Iran was likely to accept it as a basis for negotiations. Nor was it clear whether Israel, which has been bombing Iran together with the United States, was on board with the proposal.

But the delivery of the plan showed that the administration was ramping up efforts to conclude a war, now in its fourth week, that has drawn in several other countries.

The New York Times did not see a copy of the plan, but the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive details, shared some of its broad outlines, saying that it addresses Iran’s ballistic missile and nuclear programs.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/03/24/world/iran-war-trump-oil#us-iran-peace-plan

Hard to tell who wants to end the war more. trump facing the consequences of his mistake or Iranians tiring of being bombed. A 15 point plan is an awful lot of points to agree on. The world eagerly awaits the outcome.

One motivation for Iran is by its actions since the war began it has positioned itself as an international pariah.

Iran is a third world dump with thanks to the clerics, mullahs, and ayatollahs for their freakish shia cult 12er worship. These same radical zealots murdered 50-70 thousand people in the streets. I really don't care if these mullahs are blasted down to the electron, neutron, proton level.

 

[CowboyTed]

U.S. Is Said to Have Sent Iran a Peace Plan​

The United States has sent Iran a 15-point plan to end the war in the Middle East, according to two officials briefed on the diplomacy, reflecting the Trump administration’s eagerness to find an offramp from the conflict as it grapples with its economic fallout.

It was unclear how widely the plan, delivered by way of Pakistan, had been shared among Iranian officials and whether Iran was likely to accept it as a basis for negotiations. Nor was it clear whether Israel, which has been bombing Iran together with the United States, was on board with the proposal.

But the delivery of the plan showed that the administration was ramping up efforts to conclude a war, now in its fourth week, that has drawn in several other countries.

The New York Times did not see a copy of the plan, but the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive details, shared some of its broad outlines, saying that it addresses Iran’s ballistic missile and nuclear programs.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/03/24/world/iran-war-trump-oil#us-iran-peace-plan

Hard to tell who wants to end the war more. trump facing the consequences of his mistake or Iranians tiring of being bombed. A 15 point plan is an awful lot of points to agree on. The world eagerly awaits the outcome.

One motivation for Iran is by its actions since the war began it has positioned itself as an international pariah.

Isreal wanted this war, so did MBS and they will bullied/fooled Trump into it...

It is an obvious shit show... There has been a plan about doing this going back decades. The first thing to do was to fill all the oil reserves in the world, US went to war on 56% reserves and then tried to blame Biden...

This is a shit show and it is pretty obvious that the adults were aken out of the room. Everyone knows Iran was going to close the strait of Hormuz. Does MAGA realise how ******* stupid Trump sounds when he said how could anyone know...
Basic History...

BTW, Iran is close to uninvadable for the US... They could invade but it would be a shit show, real bad shit show.

Isreal doesn't give a shit. They know they can grab south Lebanon on the side while has to deal with Iran... Isreal are there to stir the pot and escalate the area.

 

[kyzr]

Trump says U.S. will destroy Iran’s oil wells, Kharg Island without deal to ‘immediately’ reopen Hormuz Strait​

U.S. President Donald Trump has said the U.S. will “completely” obliterate Iran’s electric generating plants, oil wells and Kharg Island if the Strait of Hormuz is not “immediately” reopened and a peace deal is not reached “shortly.”

“The United States of America is in serious discussions with A NEW, AND MORE REASONABLE, REGIME to end our Military Operations in Iran,” he said in a post on Truth Social on Monday morning.

“Great progress has been made but, if for any reason a deal is not shortly reached, which it probably will be, and if the Hormuz Strait is not immediately “Open for Business,” we will conclude our lovely “stay” in Iran by blowing up and completely obliterating all of their Electric Generating Plants, Oil Wells and Kharg Island (and possibly all desalinization plants!), which we have purposefully not yet “touched.”″

I believe that's referred to as shotgun diplomacy. BTW, blowing up power plants is a war crime. But that hasn't stopped trump so far. No wonder he got rid of the JAG's.

Iran's powerplants do power their drone and missile factories, not to mention their centrifuges to enrich uranium.
Iran has a choice, open Hormuz or lose your powerplants, that is not a war crime, that is a choice made by Iran.

 

[kyzr]

Israel wanted this war, so did MBS and they will bullied/fooled Trump into it...
It is an obvious shit show... There has been a plan about doing this going back decades. The first thing to do was to fill all the oil reserves in the world, US went to war on 56% reserves and then tried to blame Biden...
This is a shit show and it is pretty obvious that the adults were taken out of the room. Everyone knows Iran was going to close the strait of Hormuz. Does MAGA realise how ******* stupid Trump sounds when he said how could anyone know...Basic History...
BTW, Iran is close to uninvadable for the US... They could invade but it would be a shit show, real bad shit show.

Keep watching. General Caine and Admiral Cooper are smarter than you think, they don't do "sh!t shows"

 

[berg80]

I don't see much that is unreasonable in the Iranians' ask. Reparations for an unprovoked attack are not unreasonable.

Iran followed the original treaty until Trump tore it up. The USA has no one to blame but themselves for this mess, and the Iranians have every right to be pissed off.

No doubt we are where we are because of trump. For backing out of the JCPOA and for allowing Bebe to cajole him in to war with Iran.

But I don't see Israel and the US agreeing to pay reparations to Iran. Nor do I see Iran agreeing to US demands in the 15 point plan.

Reinstating the JCPOA would solve the problem but now that trump broke it once there's no reason for Iran to trust anything the US agrees to. It's a mess with no obvious solution.

 

[berg80]

Keep watching. General Caine and Admiral Cooper are smarter than you think, they don't do "sh!t shows"

Yet that's what they're doing..........at senile grandpa Don's direction.

 

[Dragonlady]

No doubt we are where we are because of trump. For backing out of the JCPOA and for allowing Bebe to cajole him in to war with Iran.

But I don't see Israel and the US agreeing to pay reparations to Iran. Nor do I see Iran agreeing to US demands in the 15 point plan.

Reinstating the JCPOA would solve the problem but now that trump broke it once there's no reason for Iran to trust anything the US agrees to. It's a mess with no obvious solution.

The obvious solution is to impeach Trump for starting an illegal war.

I agree that there is no way either the US or Israel will pay reparations, but they should. This whole mess is their fault entirely. Trump's 15 point plan is just plain assinine. He had all of that in the JCPOA and tore it up.

Then there is the fact that Trump has torn up every trade agreement and strategic alliance he has ever signed, and no one in the world will do business with him any more because he's unreliable and cannot be trusted.

• Nuclear Program: Complete cessation of all uranium enrichment and transfer of existing enriched materials (specifically 60% purity caches) to the IAEA.
• Facility Shutdown: Decommissioning of major nuclear sites, specifically targeting Natanz, Isfahan, and Fordow.
• Proxy Network: Immediate cessation of funding and arming of regional proxy groups, such as Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthis in Yemen.
• Strait of Hormuz: Reopening the Strait of Hormuz and guaranteeing free navigation.
• Missile Program: Restrictions on Iran's development of missiles designed for self-defense.
• Incentives: In exchange for compliance, sanctions would be lifted, and the U.S. would assist in developing Iran's civilian nuclear program.
• Regime Focus: The proposal made no mention of regime change or protecting protesters, focusing entirely on tactical and nuclear constraints.

 

[berg80]

The obvious solution is to impeach Trump for starting an illegal war.

Senate R's will never vote to convict trump in an impeachment trial. IMO, impeachment is no longer the check on presidential power it was designed to be because of hyper-partisanship.

It's manifestly true that trump's crimes were far worse than Nixon's but due to R's fidelity to power, not the country, they refused to convict him..........twice. If it were to happen the third time would be no different.

 

[Mashmont]

If you actually believe that, you're just as stupid as Donald Trump. The guy who said they'd never close the Straits.

Trump is a guy who following his gut instincts into 7 business bankruptcies and 4000+ lawsuits, and you think he's a brilliant business man.

He's made $8 billion in business. Fewer than 100 people in America have that much.
So what figure would you consider a 'brilliant businessman' to have made?

 

[berg80]

He's made $8 billion in business. Only 50 or so people in America have that much.
So what figure would you consider a 'brilliant businessman' to have made?

AI Overview

Based on The New York Times analysis of tax records, Donald Trump's earnings from The Apprentice—totaling roughly $427 million over 16 years—served as a crucial financial lifeline. The income and associated fame allowed him to offset massive losses from his casinos and other businesses, providing cash for new investments and personal financial stability during a period of intense pressure.

AI Overview

Donald Trump reported over $1 billion in business losses between 1985 and 1994, with a $915.7 million loss in 1995 alone, allowing him to legally avoid federal income taxes for up to 18 years.

 

[Mashmont]

AI Overview

Based on The New York Times analysis of tax records, Donald Trump's earnings from The Apprentice—totaling roughly $427 million over 16 years—served as a crucial financial lifeline. The income and associated fame allowed him to offset massive losses from his casinos and other businesses, providing cash for new investments and personal financial stability during a period of intense pressure.

Which has what do to with his net worth in the billions, even if true, which is doubtful, considering it's the NYT?
Even lowball estimates have him at $6.5 billion.

 

[berg80]

Which has what do to with his net worth in the billions, even if true, which is doubtful, considering it's the NYT?
Even lowball estimates have him at $6.5 billion.

From scams, not business acumen.

• Net Worth Surge: His fortune has grown from roughly $2.3 billion in early 2024 to $6.5 billion in March 2026, according to Forbes on Instagram.
• Crypto and Digital Assets: A major portion of the recent wealth increase comes from digital tokens, with Forbes on Instagram estimating gains of over $550 million from digital token sales related to his family's crypto projects.
• Key Assets:
  • Trump Media & Technology Group (Truth Social): Valued around $2 billion.

 

[80zephyr]

If you actually believe that, you're just as stupid as Donald Trump. The guy who said they'd never close the Straits.

Trump is a guy who following his gut instincts into 7 business bankruptcies and 4000+ lawsuits, and you think he's a brilliant business man.

What other play do they have left?

 

[80zephyr]

Isreal wanted this war, so did MBS and they will bullied/fooled Trump into it...

It is an obvious shit show... There has been a plan about doing this going back decades. The first thing to do was to fill all the oil reserves in the world, US went to war on 56% reserves and then tried to blame Biden...

This is a shit show and it is pretty obvious that the adults were aken out of the room. Everyone knows Iran was going to close the strait of Hormuz. Does MAGA realise how ******* stupid Trump sounds when he said how could anyone know...
Basic History...

BTW, Iran is close to uninvadable for the US... They could invade but it would be a shit show, real bad shit show.

Isreal doesn't give a shit. They know they can grab south Lebanon on the side while has to deal with Iran... Isreal are there to stir the pot and escalate the area.

Why is it uninvadable?

 

[Mashmont]

From scams, not business acumen.

• Net Worth Surge: His fortune has grown from roughly $2.3 billion in early 2024 to $6.5 billion in March 2026, according to Forbes on Instagram.
• Crypto and Digital Assets: A major portion of the recent wealth increase comes from digital tokens, with Forbes on Instagram estimating gains of over $550 million from digital token sales related to his family's crypto projects.
• Key Assets:
  • Trump Media & Technology Group (Truth Social): Valued around $2 billion.

Doesn't envy ever get tiresome for you people? Trump is a great businessman. He's been a billionaire for a long time. He's sacrificed billions in order to serve the country. This is unlike Democrat politicians who enrich themselves through their office. You can't name one prominent national Democrat who hasn't done that.

 

[80zephyr]

No doubt we are where we are because of trump. For backing out of the JCPOA and for allowing Bebe to cajole him in to war with Iran.

But I don't see Israel and the US agreeing to pay reparations to Iran. Nor do I see Iran agreeing to US demands in the 15 point plan.

Reinstating the JCPOA would solve the problem but now that trump broke it once there's no reason for Iran to trust anything the US agrees to. It's a mess with no obvious solution.

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The U.S. withdrew from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) on May 8, 2018, primarily because President Trump believed the deal failed to protect American national security interests and allowed Iran to continue its nuclear activities while funding regional aggression. Critics argued that the agreement was flawed, particularly due to its temporary limits on Iran's nuclear program and lack of restrictions on its missile program.

 

[80zephyr]

AI Overview

Based on The New York Times analysis of tax records, Donald Trump's earnings from The Apprentice—totaling roughly $427 million over 16 years—served as a crucial financial lifeline. The income and associated fame allowed him to offset massive losses from his casinos and other businesses, providing cash for new investments and personal financial stability during a period of intense pressure.

AI Overview

Donald Trump reported over $1 billion in business losses between 1985 and 1994, with a $915.7 million loss in 1995 alone, allowing him to legally avoid federal income taxes for up to 18 years.

You ever run a business berg?