CDZ Could (actual) Conservatives support this kind of single payer?

[Donald H]

/——-/ At the age of 70, I’ve never met one person who thinks Canadians are or their country is communist.

I've heard the accusation many times from extreme right Americans. And I"ve heard the 'socialist' accusation even more. The two are often confused as being the same.
In fact, few Americans even understand the meanings.

They are mostly of the opinion that capitalism that contains 'socialist' policy has to be socialism. In general they don't accept that there needs to be some socialism in every capitalist system.

I'll just assume you understand that for now.

If Americans 'did' understand they would have adopted a government run universal HC system years ago.

 

[dblack]

Yes, China is a communist system in which the people are cared for by the state.

This is just factually wrong. Do some research.

They also allow capitalist enterprise with limitations for the good of the people. This is different from America's uncontrolled and greedy form of capitalism.

They allow privately owned business as long as it abides the party line. Their government is more properly characterized as corporatist (see Corporatism - Wikipedia).

China welcomes in US corporations while the US corporations run to China to seek out the world's most lucrative marketplace.

China only lags the US by 4 places now on quality of life.

Seriously. You really should visit there. Stay long enough to get a real taste. Then tell us about how much China is all about the "good of the people". While you're there, tell people in Wuhan - especially those who lost loved ones who were locked up to die when covid hit. Ask the doctors who tried, in vain, to alert Beijing about the pandemic before it was too late (if you can find one alive, who isn't still in jail). Ask the Uighurs, who are currently conscripted organ donors for wealthy party members. Ask the people lined up around the block at hospitals in Beijing, ask the scalpers who sell them places in line. Ask ANY minority, especially blacks, who've had the misfortune of spending time in a thoroughly racist society.

You really should go to China.

 

[Donald H]

This is just factually wrong. Do some research.

They allow privately owned business as long as it abides the party line. Their government is more properly characterized as corporatist (see Corporatism - Wikipedia).

Seriously. You really should visit there. Stay long enough to get a real taste. Then tell us all about how much China is all about the good of the people. While you're there, tell people in Wuhan - especially those who lost loved ones who were locked up to die when covid hit. Ask the doctors who tried, in vain, to alert Beijing about the pandemic before it was too late (if you can find one alive, who isn't still in jail). Ask the Uighurs, who are currently conscripted organ donors for wealthy party members. Ask the people lined up around the block at hospitals in Beijing, ask the scalpers who sell them places in line. Ask ANY minority, especially blacks, who've had the misfortune of spending time in a thoroughly racist society.

You really should go to China.

I told you I've been to China, but that wasn't necessary. Nobody doubts the fact that China has elevated hundreds of millions of it's people up out of poverty.

The US stands at 15th. on quality of life and China stands at 19th. That fact alone makes it obvious that you're only intent on demonization of China.

A quick word about the Uighyurs: They've become the Islamic terrorist group that Americans have learned to love. When they put down their guns and stop fighting they will be able to live in conformity to China's successful system.

As to China's success on fighting Covid, as compared to America's?? Are you serious??

Stick to a story you can make float buster!

 

[dblack]

I told you I've been to China, but that wasn't necessary. Nobody doubts the fact that China has elevated hundreds of millions of it's people up out of poverty.

Wanna bet?

The US stands at 15th. on quality of life and China stands at 19th. That fact alone makes it obvious that you're only intent on demonization of China.

Yes. If you believe the claims of the CCP. I don't.

A quick word about the Uighyurs: They've become the Islamic terrorist group that Americans have learned to love. When they put down their guns and stop fighting they will be able to live in conformity to China's successful system.

Right. Of course. If only everyone would "live in conformity". You'd be in hog heaven.

As to China's success on fighting Covid, as compared to America's?? Are you serious??

Stick to a story you can make float buster!

You should really go to China. Stay long enough to live it, long enough to take one for the team. You know, for the "good of the people".

You might love it. But you might come away with a genuine appreciation for freedom. Either way, your opinion would be informed.

 

[Donald H]

You should really go to China. Stay long enough to live it, long enough to take one for the team, for the good of the people.

I can hop over the border to America to experience roughly the same life style the people are living in China.
Broaden your horizons and come to Canada to experience that which should be America's freedoms, rights, and happiness. America long ago gave up any bragging rights.

Have a nice day.

 

[dblack]

I can hop over the border to America to experience roughly the same life style the people are living in China.

Again, you simply don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Donald H]

This is just factually wrong. Do some research.

They allow privately owned business as long as it abides the party line.

That's quite true. Corporatism and capitalism are under restraints for the good of the people. We're getting to the very definition of communism.

 

[dblack]

That's quite true. Corporatism and capitalism are under restraints for the good of the people. We're getting to the very definition of communism.

No, we're not. Please find a dictionary. We can't converse if you're randomly making up your own definitions.

 

[Donald H]

No, we're not. Please find a dictionary. We can't converse if you're randomly making up your own definitions.

Yes we are and a dictionary isn't going to tell me anything about China's communist system in which capitalism is accepted under restraints.

You're trying to make out that a 'communist' country has to conform to the exact definition of communism. That's not true for Cuba, Vietnam, or any other communist country.

That's so much the American attitude of pretending that a democratic, capitalist system must not contain a healthy amount of socialism.

China's success has become so starkly apparent to the world now, that it must be separated in your mind from 'communist' success.

The People's Republic of China is widely accepted by the world as a communist country. You're trying to separate 'communism' from that success.

 

[dblack]

Yes we are and a dictionary isn't going to tell me anything about China's communist system in which capitalism is accepted under restraints.

You're trying to make out that a 'communist' country has to conform to the exact definition of communism. That's not true for Cuba, Vietnam, or any other communist country.

That's so much the American attitude of pretending that a democratic, capitalist system must not contain a healthy amount of socialism.

China's success has become so starkly apparent to the world now, that it must be separated in your mind from 'communist' success.

The People's Republic of China is widely accepted by the world as a communist country. You're trying to separate 'communism' from that success.

Well, you're equivating and that's no fun. Make up goofy definitions on your own time.

 

[Mac-7]

This is just factually wrong. Do some research.

Ok

china is a communist country that does not take care of its people

 

[Donald H]

Ok

china is a communist country that does not take care of its people

Yes, of course China is a communist country.

Communist state - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Marxism–Leninism remains the ideology of several communist states around the world and the official ideology of the ruling parties of China, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam.[2]

But the facts on China elevating hundreds of millions of it's people up out of poverty is widelly known throughout the world.

You Americans are going to have to learn that success can be synonymous with communism.
And in fact, China's communist system has achieved more than any relatively poor country has ever achieved under capitalism is so short a time period.

Cuba is now becoming the latest example of a communist country breaking free of US oppression.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I can hop over the border to America to experience roughly the same life style the people are living in China.

No. No you can't.

 

[Donald H]

No. No you can't.

Well, admittedly I wouldn't be able to hop into some states such as Washington, but a long hop into poverty slum ----holes of the US south.

Overall, there's little difference between 15th. and China's 19th. on quality of life.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So you think I'm dragging you into communism?
Many Americans think Canada and Canadians are communists. Can you explain why that is? I think America is getting very close to a fascist takeover under a deranged psychopath.

When are you gonna leave Canada for a free country?


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Your motivation was anticipated in the Bible.

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[Mac-7]

But the facts on China elevating hundreds of millions of it's people up out of poverty is widelly known throughout the world.

China adopted the fascist economic model of limited private ownership but absolute government control over the output - which the CCP has

but that is not the whole story since other nations who are not threats to the US also have strong state control over private companies

i am thinking of japan and south korea who are not barbarians like the china communists

 

[Donald H]

Health care’s free in Canada, right? Wrong, and you’re paying a lot more than you think

HC isn't free in any country and offhand I don't know the dollar amount we're paying.

But I do know that it's estimated to be a little more than half of what Americans pay per capita. Oh, and fwiw, ours is rated as better.

Your motivation was anticipated in the Bible.

Matthew 7:3-5. King James Version · And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? ·

In the god I don't trust. That's all make believe sky fairy stuff imagined by thine thereith I sayeth unto youse all-est.

 

[PoliticalChic]

HC isn't free in any country and offhand I don't know the dollar amount we're paying.

But I do know that it's estimated to be a little more than half of what Americans pay per capita. Oh, and fwiw, ours is rated as better.



In the god I don't trust. That's all make believe sky fairy stuff imagined by thine thereith I sayeth unto youse all-est.

The following ‘Universal Healthcare’ countries have higher out-of-pocket costs than the United States:

Out-of-pocket spending as a share of total expenditure on health, 1980-2000 http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/5/53/22364122.pdf (table 4)

http://www.oecd.org/els/healthpoliciesanddata/22364122.pdf

Canada, Denmark, Finland, Italy, Spain, Switzerland.

 

[PoliticalChic]

HC isn't free in any country and offhand I don't know the dollar amount we're paying.

But I do know that it's estimated to be a little more than half of what Americans pay per capita. Oh, and fwiw, ours is rated as better.



In the god I don't trust. That's all make believe sky fairy stuff imagined by thine thereith I sayeth unto youse all-est.

Your sort has far more faith in false gods.

The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder.
David Mamet

 

[Donald H]

Your sort has far more faith in false gods.

No, none of them. They're all as false as the tooth fairy, Peter Pan, jesus, Santa, easter bun, Tinkerbell, Zeus, and etc.

The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder.
David Mamet

There is evidence from 'Answers in Genesis', or whatever it's called that man rode on the backs of dinosaurs. Along with visual proof in nearly every episode of the Flintstones.
Yabba dabba do you too.