Contrary to Shogun's stupidity, the Emancipation Proclamation didn't end slavery

[Bass v 2.0]

Nor was it an example of white benevolence towards blacks:

Featured Document: The Emancipation Proclamation

President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863, as the nation approached its third year of bloody civil war. The proclamation declared "that all persons held as slaves" within the rebellious states "are, and henceforward shall be free."

Despite this expansive wording, the Emancipation Proclamation was limited in many ways. It applied only to states that had seceded from the Union, leaving slavery untouched in the loyal border states. It also expressly exempted parts of the Confederacy that had already come under Northern control. Most important, the freedom it promised depended upon Union military victory.

Although the Emancipation Proclamation did not end slavery in the nation, it captured the hearts and imagination of millions of Americans and fundamentally transformed the character of the war. After January 1, 1863, every advance of federal troops expanded the domain of freedom. Moreover, the Proclamation announced the acceptance of black men into the Union Army and Navy, enabling the liberated to become liberators. By the end of the war, almost 200,000 black soldiers and sailors had fought for the Union and freedom.


It helps to do some real research some times instead of spewing decades old lies and distortions.

 

[Oddball]

All aboard for the Flame Room!!

 

[Bass v 2.0]

All aboard for the Flame Room!!

Surely Shogun will try his best to tapdance and spin his way out of this, but the fact remains that the Emancipation Proclamation did not free all slaves, which further backs up the Bass claim that the Civil War wasn't about freeing black slaves as that was not Abraham Lincoln's primary nor secondary goal.

 

[neurosport]

What's your point ? Everybody knows Lincoln didn't give a fuck about slaves. He just wanted more power for himself like every other politician.

 

[Gunny]

Nor was it an example of white benevolence towards blacks:

Featured Document: The Emancipation Proclamation

President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863, as the nation approached its third year of bloody civil war. The proclamation declared "that all persons held as slaves" within the rebellious states "are, and henceforward shall be free."

Despite this expansive wording, the Emancipation Proclamation was limited in many ways. It applied only to states that had seceded from the Union, leaving slavery untouched in the loyal border states. It also expressly exempted parts of the Confederacy that had already come under Northern control. Most important, the freedom it promised depended upon Union military victory.

Although the Emancipation Proclamation did not end slavery in the nation, it captured the hearts and imagination of millions of Americans and fundamentally transformed the character of the war. After January 1, 1863, every advance of federal troops expanded the domain of freedom. Moreover, the Proclamation announced the acceptance of black men into the Union Army and Navy, enabling the liberated to become liberators. By the end of the war, almost 200,000 black soldiers and sailors had fought for the Union and freedom.


It helps to do some real research some times instead of spewing decades old lies and distortions.

What's your point? The Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves in states in rebellion against the US and was an attempted (and failed) strategic move on Lincoln's part to foment uprising in the South that would pull troops off the front line to guard the homes against such an uprising.

The Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution officially abolished slavery in the United States.

 

[Gunny]

All aboard for the Flame Room!!

Surely Shogun will try his best to tapdance and spin his way out of this, but the fact remains that the Emancipation Proclamation did not free all slaves, which further backs up the Bass claim that the Civil War wasn't about freeing black slaves as that was not Abraham Lincoln's primary nor secondary goal.

The US Civil War was about power and control of the US government. Only a small minority of Northerners actually gave a rat's ass about slaves in the South as anything other than a means to break Southern power.

All this holier-than-thou, "the Civil War was fought free the slaves" is a bunch of revisionist bullshit perpetrated by the winners in an attempt to morally justify their actions.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Nor was it an example of white benevolence towards blacks:

Featured Document: The Emancipation Proclamation

President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863, as the nation approached its third year of bloody civil war. The proclamation declared "that all persons held as slaves" within the rebellious states "are, and henceforward shall be free."

Despite this expansive wording, the Emancipation Proclamation was limited in many ways. It applied only to states that had seceded from the Union, leaving slavery untouched in the loyal border states. It also expressly exempted parts of the Confederacy that had already come under Northern control. Most important, the freedom it promised depended upon Union military victory.

Although the Emancipation Proclamation did not end slavery in the nation, it captured the hearts and imagination of millions of Americans and fundamentally transformed the character of the war. After January 1, 1863, every advance of federal troops expanded the domain of freedom. Moreover, the Proclamation announced the acceptance of black men into the Union Army and Navy, enabling the liberated to become liberators. By the end of the war, almost 200,000 black soldiers and sailors had fought for the Union and freedom.


It helps to do some real research some times instead of spewing decades old lies and distortions.

What's your point? The Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves in states in rebellion against the US and was an attempted (and failed) strategic move on Lincoln's part to foment uprising in the South that would pull troops off the front line to guard the homes against such an uprising.

The Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution officially abolished slavery in the United States.

The point Gunny is that dumb, hypocritical liberals like Shogun feel blacks should be thanking white people for all of their successes because of white benevolence and he cited the Emancipation Proclamation as one such act of "white benevolence." No doubt the 13th Amendment abolished slavery and involuntary servitude for all men, but for some blacks and white liberals to advance the lie that Abraham Lincoln cared for the slaves and that the Civil War was fought to free slaves is pure intellectual dishonesty and decepation at its best.

 

[Ravi]

The south fought the civil war so they could continue owning slaves.

The north fought the civil war because they didn't want to lose half the country...though there is no doubt many people thought slavery was wrong.

I wouldn't call it benevolence.

 

[Tank]

One thing is for sure, whites captured enslaved and set the black slaves free.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

One thing is for sure, whites captured enslaved and set the black slaves free.

One thing for sure, you are a troll.

 

[Citizen]

The south fought the civil war so they could continue owning slaves.

The north fought the civil war because they didn't want to lose half the country...though there is no doubt many people thought slavery was wrong.

I wouldn't call it benevolence.

The real reason the South fought the War of Northern Agression was because of unfair taxation that caused the South to pay the vast majority of tariffs, while the Northern controlled Congress spent most of the money on Northern interests.

In 1840, the South paid 84% of the tariffs, which rose to 87% in 1860. The South paid 83% of the $13,000,000 federal fishing bounties paid to New England fishermen, and the $35,000,000 paid to Northern shipping interest which had a monoply on shipping from Southern ports.

As to the issue of slavery, in 1860 there were 250,000 slaves held in the 19 Northern states, and they were not freeed untill the 13th Amendment, certainly not under Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation, which only freed the slaves in the Confederate States.

Slavery only became an issue after the Emancipation Proclamation, which was supposed to cause Confederate troops to have to contend with slave rebellions, pulling them from the fight for States rights.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The south fought the civil war so they could continue owning slaves.

The north fought the civil war because they didn't want to lose half the country...though there is no doubt many people thought slavery was wrong.

I wouldn't call it benevolence.

You're right about the north, though I would limit that to Lincoln. Many northern citizens were for peaceful secession. Lincoln was the one willing to go to war over the fact, and the people didn't go along with it until Lincoln forced the south to attack Fort Sumter.

As for the south, that would have been a foolish reason for them to have fought the Civil War. Considering that slavery wasn't going to be abolished until well after the Civil War had started.

 

[Shogun]

What is HILARIOUS is that our local negro sage posts a thread like this while I'm on his list of blocked users. the FACT remains that black motherfuckers like the negro above didn't get equality because of blacks. Benevolent or not, Lincoln's words set a course which brought about equality moreso than the effort of every field ****** content with farm life or running to the north. The FACT is that Lincoln's words was a shining beacon of hope to grateful slaves who had larger things to think about then Charles Negro's giant shoulder chip. Indeed, the product of a white man. Hell, if every negro voted TWICE in the US there still would have never been enough votes to pass a Constitutional Amendment preserving equality; which is exactly why Negro Bass is so bitter about the role whites played in uplifting his status from farm equipment to equal citizens.

But hey... who expects this kind of insight from a ghetto monkey weened on prison education?

 

[Ravi]

I suppose the Native Americans should also thank us for allowing them to live on small patches of land with casinos.

 

[Shogun]

I suppose the Native Americans should also thank us for allowing them to live on small patches of land with casinos.

Can you name a similar speech given about Natives as the Emancipation Proc related to slaves? Face it, it's nothing less than a gut busting joke to disregard the role that WHITE people played in making blacks equal. But hey.. if you got names and sources go ahead and dip that shit in BBQ sauce and post it.

 

[Ravi]

I suppose the Native Americans should also thank us for allowing them to live on small patches of land with casinos.

Can you name a similar speech given about Natives as the Emancipation Proc related to slaves? Face it, it's nothing less than a gut busting joke to disregard the role that WHITE people played in making blacks equal. But hey.. if you got names and sources go ahead and dip that shit in BBQ sauce and post it.

White people didn't make black people equal. They just stopped pretending they weren't. Well, most of them.

 

[Shogun]

Legally, you are completely wrong. I'll go ahead and chock this up as another silly fucking failure by Ravikins to pretend she knows more about something that she clearly does not.

Tell me, Ravi.. how many blacks do you think it took to pass a constitutional amendment? And, for real, NAME the presidential document that is to natives what the Emancipation Proc was to slaves.

 

[Tank]

White people didn't make black people equal. They just stopped pretending they weren't. Well, most of them.

How are black and white people equal?

 

[Bass v 2.0]

What is HILARIOUS is that our local negro sage posts a thread like this while I'm on his list of blocked users

Shogun is mad because he's been proven wrong. Faggot, you posted in another thread that the Emancipation Proclamation was an act of white benevolence, now your lies have been set aflame. Don't get mad at the Bass because you're wrong.

. the FACT remains that black motherfuckers like the negro above didn't get equality because of blacks.

If it wasn't for a black MF you wouldn't be employed, so whom should you thank, the Negro who's employing your ungrateful faggot self.

Benevolent or not, Lincoln's words set a course which brought about equality moreso than the effort of every field ****** content with farm life or running to the north. The FACT is that Lincoln's words was a shining beacon of hope to grateful slaves who had larger things to think about then Charles Negro's giant shoulder chip.

Lincoln's words didn't apply to all blacks you faggoty buttwipe, perhaps you should read the document before having your next session of verbal diarreeha.

Indeed, the product of a white man.

The product of a white racist man hellbent on saving the Union at any cost, even freeing some people from slavery whom he regarded as inferior people. Black people should thank a racist man who saw them as inferior?

Hell, if every negro voted TWICE in the US there still would have never been enough votes to pass a Constitutional Amendment preserving equality; which is exactly why Negro Bass is so bitter about the role whites played in uplifting his status from farm equipment to equal citizens.

But hey... who expects this kind of insight from a ghetto monkey weened on prison education?

Irrelevant BS and trolling, the Emancipation Proclamation is not an act of white benevolence, and judging from Lincoln's own words, the Union army should be thanking the Negroes for helping them win the war, blacks don't have to thank the white man for anything in regards to the Emancipation Procvlamation nor the 13th Amendment, they earned it.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Tell me, Ravi.. how many blacks do you think it took to pass a constitutional amendment? And, for real, NAME the presidential document that is to natives what the Emancipation Proc was to slaves.

Obama would not have been elected as President if he didn't have 96% of the black vote idiot, its not overall numbers in votes that matter so much, its the decisive votes that count. Anyways, this rant has nothing to do with the fact that the Emancipation Proclamation is not an act of white benevolence.