Constitutional Scholar With Impeccable Credentials Explains What A True Natural Born Citizen Is

[Skylar]

While Professor Titus believes that a natural born citizen requires two citizen parents, he also understands that the current Supreme Court precedent on what is a natural born citizen is the case of Wong Kim Ark 169 U.S. 649. Under that precedent President Obama, Governor Jindal and Senator Rubio are natural born citizens. The question of Senator Cruz's status would be open to debate.

Wong Kim Ark was never affirmed a Article 2 natural born Citizen.

Professor Tutus in an amicus brief to the US Supreme Court in Rudy v. Lee said that in effect the decision on the meaning of the term natural born citizen comes down to a choice between Justice Gray's majority opinion and Chief Justice Fuller's dissenting opinion in Wong Kim Ark.

Damn straight he does.

However, 23 years later, this Court appeared to
elevate this second view, asserting that citizenship
acquired by birth was governed by the English
common law rule that citizenship at birth was defined
by place of birth, except in those cases where the
parents owed an official allegiance to a foreign
government. See Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, at 655
(1898). In a cogent dissent, Chief Justice Fuller
refuted the claim that the English common law of
citizenry by place of birth applied in the United States,
given its origin in “feudalism between the individual
and the soil on which he lived, and the allegiance due
was that of liegemen to their liege lord.” Id. at 707
(Fuller, C.J., dissenting). In the English monarchical
rule’s stead, the Chief Justice drew on the
international law of nations which held that “natives,
or natural-born citizens, are those born ... [of] parents
who are citizens.” Id. at 708.

Whatever the merits of the two views of citizenship
by birth, Wong Kim Ark settles the question of its
justiciability. Without hesitation, Justice Gray
addressed the merits of the claim of a Chinese man —
born in America to a father and mother, both of whom
were Chinese citizens, although domiciled in the
United States — that he was a citizen by birth, not
subject to the Chinese exclusion laws. Beginning with
an exposition of the English common law, Justice Gray
surveyed the cases and legal treatises addressing the
subject. Id. at 655-58. He then reviewed early
American authorities which, he concluded, supported
the view that America’s judges, federal and state, had
applied the English rule. Id. at 658-66. Thus, Justice
Gray concluded:

there are none that can constrain or permit the
judiciary to refuse to give full effect to the
peremptory and explicit language of the
fourteenth Amendment, which declares and
ordains that “All persons born or naturalized in
the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction
thereof, are citizens of the United States.” [Id.
at 694.]

Equally thorough, Chief Justice Fuller began his
analysis citing the international legal authority, de
Vattel, extensively surveying domestic legal
authorities to support the view that a natural born
citizen was defined by the parents to whom a person
was born, not by the place of birth. See id. at 708-29.
Thus, the Chief Justice concluded:
citizenship of the United States ... differed from
the English common law rule in vital
particulars, and, among others, in that it did not
recognize allegiance as indelible, and in that it
did recognize an essential difference between
birth during temporary, and birth during
permanent, residence. [Id. at 729 (Fuller, C.J.
dissenting).4
]
C. It Is Imperative That This Court Recognize
That the Question, Whether a President Is
a Natural Born Citizen, Is Justiciable.
It is not necessary at this point to decide whether
President Obama is a natural born citizen. Nor is it
necessary now to endorse Justice Gray’s views over
those of dissenting Chief Justice Fuller, or vice versa.
Indeed, Mr. Rudy’s case against President Obama’s
citizenship is based upon both views — that he is not
a natural born citizen based either on his place of
birth, or on the citizenship of his parents.

http://www.lawandfreedom.com/site/constitutional/Rudy v Lee USJF Amicus Brief.pdf

As a matter of law, the findings of the majority are authoritative. The dissent isn't. And Titus recognizes that his point of view aligns with the dissenting view.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Mike Zullo has been fully trained by the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office under the powers granted to Sheriff Arpaio by the Arizona Constitution.

Zullo didn't ask that the documents be released to the Maricopa County Sherif's department. He demanded that they be released to Zullo's non-profit corporation. Because Zullo said so.

If this is an Maricopa County Investigation, why has Maricopa County Sheriff's Department never requested any document from the State of Hawaii?

Why has Maricopa County Sheriff's Department never asked the State of Hawaii if Obama's birth certificate is accurate? The Secretary of State of Arizona Ken Bennett did just that, and the State of Hawaii responded. Informing the Secretary of State of Arizona that Obama's birth certificate was accurate. So;

1) Why won't Maricopa County Sheriff's Department just ask Hawaii the same question and conclude their investigation in 15 minutes?
2) Why are they ignoring the official response to their OWN Secrtary of State on the exact same issue?

Who conducts investigations like this? Refusing to ask the issuing agency to verify a document? Ignoring official verification of the information on that document? Sending heads of non-profit corporations to other states to demand that documents be released....to the corporation? And never releasing an official report?

And it gets so much worse:

After two years of denying he personally profited from the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office investigation into the validity of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, the head of the sheriff’s Cold Case Posse [Mike Zullo] admitted to CBS 5 Investigates that he accepted a large monetary gift from one of the sources in the investigation.

Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO

So is Mike Zullo an employee of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department? If so, a 'private gift' from a 'donor' for Zullo's personal use.....that's what we call a bribe, folks. Espeecially when that donor is a source is Zullo's own investigation. It gets so much worse:

"In 2012 a FedEx envelope arrives unexpectedly at my door, just out of nowhere. When I opened it there is a check for $10,000 made out to me personally from Bill," wrote Zullo. He was referring to Bill Wolf, who was a major researcher in the birther movement.

Wolf had supplied the Cold Case Posse with a dossier of information about alleged problems with the President's birth certificate. The dossier became a major source of information for Zullo's investigation.

In his email to CBS 5 Investigates, Zullo stated that the check was a personal gift from Wolf, and not intended to be used for Cold Case Posse expenses.

Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO

So Zullo is getting paid thousands of dollars for *personal use* by Birthers. Not just any Birther, but his own sources. Um, what the fuck?! Does the term 'conflict of interest' mean anything to anyone? And this is the head of your 'investigation'? Zullo only publicly disclosed that he's on the payroll of Birthers because a local news team cornered him. For years, Zullo lied his ass off about personally profiting from the investigation, insisting he'd never received any money.

Until the story broke. Then he was forced to admit it.

If this were say, an investigation involving Chevron, and Chevron started sending $10,000 checks to the lead investigator for personal use....and the investigation just happened to show exactly what Chevron believed, anyone with an ounce of integrity would call bullshit.

This is what you get when you make a used car salesman your lead investigator.

Mike Zullo has been fully trained by the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office under the powers granted to Sheriff Arpaio by the Arizona Constitution. He is well qualified and has ALL the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office resouces at his disposal, including their attorneys.

Then why has Maricopa County Sheriff's department nor any of their lawyers ever asked Hawaii if Obama's birth certificate is accurate?

You know....like Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett did?

Also Arpaio opened up a second criminal investigation a year ago appointing two full time detectives from the department. This is why the posse hasnt asked for donations anymore in many months.The second criminal investigation is what has delayed revealing all of the new posses evidence they collected since the second press conference. Once the 2nd investigation wraps they will hold two seperate conferences announcing their findings.

Um, where's the first criminal investigation from the Maricopa County Sheriff's department? If Zullo is an employee of Maricopa County.....then he's in a shit load of trouble for taking bribes from his own sources. If he's not an employee of the Maricopa Country Sheriff's office....then its not a Maricopa Country Sheriff's investigation. But that of Zullo's non-profit.

Pick one. Neither is pretty.

Zullo has done nothing wrong, absolutely nothing wrong. Morgan Loew has his marching orders and is trying to be a good Obama disciple like you are and trying to preemptively smear Zullo before the 2nd investigation is complete. Nothing will happen to Zullo.

 

[Syriusly]

Mike Zullo has been fully trained by the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office under the powers granted to Sheriff Arpaio by the Arizona Constitution.

Zullo didn't ask that the documents be released to the Maricopa County Sherif's department. He demanded that they be released to Zullo's non-profit corporation. Because Zullo said so.

If this is an Maricopa County Investigation, why has Maricopa County Sheriff's Department never requested any document from the State of Hawaii?

Why has Maricopa County Sheriff's Department never asked the State of Hawaii if Obama's birth certificate is accurate? The Secretary of State of Arizona Ken Bennett did just that, and the State of Hawaii responded. Informing the Secretary of State of Arizona that Obama's birth certificate was accurate. So;

1) Why won't Maricopa County Sheriff's Department just ask Hawaii the same question and conclude their investigation in 15 minutes?
2) Why are they ignoring the official response to their OWN Secrtary of State on the exact same issue?

Who conducts investigations like this? Refusing to ask the issuing agency to verify a document? Ignoring official verification of the information on that document? Sending heads of non-profit corporations to other states to demand that documents be released....to the corporation? And never releasing an official report?

And it gets so much worse:

After two years of denying he personally profited from the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office investigation into the validity of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, the head of the sheriff’s Cold Case Posse [Mike Zullo] admitted to CBS 5 Investigates that he accepted a large monetary gift from one of the sources in the investigation.

Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO

So is Mike Zullo an employee of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department? If so, a 'private gift' from a 'donor' for Zullo's personal use.....that's what we call a bribe, folks. Espeecially when that donor is a source is Zullo's own investigation. It gets so much worse:

"In 2012 a FedEx envelope arrives unexpectedly at my door, just out of nowhere. When I opened it there is a check for $10,000 made out to me personally from Bill," wrote Zullo. He was referring to Bill Wolf, who was a major researcher in the birther movement.

Wolf had supplied the Cold Case Posse with a dossier of information about alleged problems with the President's birth certificate. The dossier became a major source of information for Zullo's investigation.

In his email to CBS 5 Investigates, Zullo stated that the check was a personal gift from Wolf, and not intended to be used for Cold Case Posse expenses.

Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO

So Zullo is getting paid thousands of dollars for *personal use* by Birthers. Not just any Birther, but his own sources. Um, what the fuck?! Does the term 'conflict of interest' mean anything to anyone? And this is the head of your 'investigation'? Zullo only publicly disclosed that he's on the payroll of Birthers because a local news team cornered him. For years, Zullo lied his ass off about personally profiting from the investigation, insisting he'd never received any money.

Until the story broke. Then he was forced to admit it.

If this were say, an investigation involving Chevron, and Chevron started sending $10,000 checks to the lead investigator for personal use....and the investigation just happened to show exactly what Chevron believed, anyone with an ounce of integrity would call bullshit.

This is what you get when you make a used car salesman your lead investigator.

Mike Zullo has been fully trained by the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office under the powers granted to Sheriff Arpaio by the Arizona Constitution. He is well qualified and has ALL the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office resouces at his disposal, including their attorneys.

Then why has Maricopa County Sheriff's department nor any of their lawyers ever asked Hawaii if Obama's birth certificate is accurate?

You know....like Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett did?

Also Arpaio opened up a second criminal investigation a year ago appointing two full time detectives from the department. This is why the posse hasnt asked for donations anymore in many months.The second criminal investigation is what has delayed revealing all of the new posses evidence they collected since the second press conference. Once the 2nd investigation wraps they will hold two seperate conferences announcing their findings.

Um, where's the first criminal investigation from the Maricopa County Sheriff's department? If Zullo is an employee of Maricopa County.....then he's in a shit load of trouble for taking bribes from his own sources. If he's not an employee of the Maricopa Country Sheriff's office....then its not a Maricopa Country Sheriff's investigation. But that of Zullo's non-profit.

Pick one. Neither is pretty.

Zullo has done nothing wrong, absolutely nothing wrong. Morgan Loew has his marching orders and is trying to be a good Obama disciple like you are and trying to preemptively smear Zullo before the 2nd investigation is complete. Nothing will happen to Zullo.

Zullo has done nothing but hold press conferences.....oh and sign a book deal with a WND writer and Birther......and receive a $10,000 gratuity from a source who is also a Birther.

Just another day in the life of Maricopa County- where the Sheriff's Department is hard on the case...unless you are a victim of a sex crime.....

 

[Skylar]

Zullo has done nothing wrong, absolutely nothing wrong. Morgan Loew has his marching orders and is trying to be a good Obama disciple like you are and trying to preemptively smear Zullo before the 2nd investigation is complete. Nothing will happen to Zullo.

Oh, Obviously. That's why Zullo lied about receiving the pay off from the Birthers. Because 'he's done absolutely nothing wrong':

In response to questions emailed to him last week regarding personal use of the posse's money, Zullo responded on Tuesday:

"My answer to this question is emphatically No! These accusations that you claim you have heard are absolutely unfounded, slanderous and completely fabricated. They are designed to cast me and this organization in a disparaging light. I am appalled at this accusation!"

Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO

Appalled! Unfounded! Slanderous! Completely Fabricated!

......until Zullo the sleazy fuck was forced to admit to all of it when the press proved he was lying;

One day later, after faced with evidence provided by CBS 5 Investigates, Zullo sent another email.

"In 2012 a FedEx envelope arrives unexpectedly at my door, just out of nowhere. When I opened it there is a check for $10,000 made out to me personally from Bill," wrote Zullo. He was referring to Bill Wolf, who was a major researcher in the birther movement.

Wolf had supplied the Cold Case Posse with a dossier of information about alleged problems with the President's birth certificate. The dossier became a major source of information for Zullo's investigation.

In his email to CBS 5 Investigates, Zullo stated that the check was a personal gift from Wolf, and not intended to be used for Cold Case Posse expenses.

Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO

Laughing...so much for 'completely fabricated'. Zullo is a lying piece of shit who got caught taking bribes from the birthers......with the 'findings' of Zullo's investigation just happening to match what Bill the Birther wanted Zullo to say.

But only after the payoff. Does the term 'conflict of interest' mean anything to you? Because it sure as hell has a lot of meaning for anyone with an ounce of personal integrity.