Conservatives! You guys Rock! You got what you wanted! Farms, however, now need help!

[Intense]

One issue not raised is the fact that the farmers paid them & thats it. If an American were to do the work, they'd have to make the standard tax-deductions from the checks.

The farmer does not pay with check he pays with cash how do you think illegals do not have to pay taxes?

They pay lots of taxes wehn they purchase things.

They make so little they would pay no income taxes anyway

It's called Sales tax Idiot. Are you advocating that Nobody should have to pay more than that. That works for me. Great idea. Glad you finally saw the light.

 

[Flopper]

cut off thier food stamps and they'll work well enough.

now, maybe you can tell us what NC laws were passed that would discourage legal migrant workers from coming here to work.

Looks like N.C. is getting ready to reap what they sown.

A victory in North Carolina! 4 New immigration laws!
We are pleased to announce that North Carolina can now be added to the list of over 30 states that have passed state laws restricting illegal immigration.
ALIPAC - A victory in North Carolina! 4 New immigration laws!



ALIPAC - A victory in North Carolina! 4 New immigration laws!

and what does the democratic legislature in 2006 and the democratic governor passing these laws have to do with the GOP and how does any of that have anything to do with legal migrant workers?

One, NC Licenses will now require a valid social security number thus blocking illegal aliens from getting licenses in NC if the law is properly applied.

Two, starting Jan 1, 2007 all new hires in state government must be screened for legal presence or citizenship. The school systems have till March of 2007 to implement this change.

Three, the technical corrections bill (S 1523, page 18.) authorizes our local and state police to begin enforcing immigration laws!

Four, S 1896 places new laws in place regarding human trafficking!

these laws have been in place for 4 years, they were passed by democratics and they have had no effect on growers being able to atract legal migrant workers in any of that time.

1. Illegals don't have NC liscences anyway
2. Illegals could never work for the state
3. Every state has laws in place which allow properly trained local law enforcement to enforce immigration laws in cooperation with ICE, it's a fedral program
4. Human trafficking has always been illegal, now it's illegal to traffic in illegals too.

ALIPAC - A victory in North Carolina! 4 New immigration laws!

The problem is organizations sympathetic to migrants are now warning migrant workers, both legal and illegal as to where they are most likely to be hassled by law enforce. This underscores the need for Congress to act so we would have uniform laws throughout the country, not the patch work of state laws that are developing.

 

[Intense]

So they got their wish.

The illegals all left.

They should be happy now

oh really?.....plenty were i am at......

I'm outnumbered in my zip code.

 

[Charles_Main]

Growers now are scrambling to find enough workers to keep their crops from withering on the vine and rotting on the ground. Each spring and early summer, thousands of undocumented workers, mainly from Florida, travel to Georgia and states further north to work. Charles Hall, executive director of Georgia Fruit and Vegetable Association, said farmers are finding only between 30 percent and 50 percent of the 11,000 farm hands needed to the harvest their crops, producing a labor shortage that will hit the industry with a loss of $250 million.

The shortage clearly puts the lie to the myth held by critics of U.S. farming practices that desperate unemployed U.S. citizens will do farm work if it is available to them. The Georgia Labor Department released a survey showing that unemployment in Irwin County, where blackberries are a major crop, is at 13 percent, yet very few people went to the fields. Of those who did, the overwhelming majority walked away.

Get-Tough Laws Hurt More than Immigrants « Farmworkers Forum

More failed Republican policies.

OK GOP, take a good long look at your "farm workers".

I bet you just Ignore the Millions of Dollars a Year they are saving not Paying for Illegals Health Care, and other Social Services. Let them get some actual Legal Migrant Workers. Why do you insist they Pay Illegals Slave Labor Wages to sustain Farming? DO you really care so Little for the Migrant Workers that you think it is ok they are openly Treated like Slaves. Asked to Work for Wages that are not even legal in this Country? And when ever someone does something about it, You guys Scream were Heartless lol.

 

[Charles_Main]

They make so little they would pay no income taxes anyway

Ok First Question, Why do Libs Like Yourself think it is Ok to Continue to Use Illegal Labor as Slave Labor? You guys Fight to keep them working on our Farms, When the fact is they are being used, and working for Wages that are not even legal in this country. Sure we need a Temp Worker Program, What we do not need is to continue to turn a blind Eye and Allow Farmers to rely on Illegal Labor, they can pay nothing almost.


As far as them paying No Taxes, That is not true. Even Poor People Pay State Income Tax, and SS, and FICA. The Very Services Illegal Use all the time. States Like NC Spend Literally Millions a year caring for Illegals who Pay NOTHING at all in SS and Medicare Taxes.

 

[Intense]

Growers now are scrambling to find enough workers to keep their crops from withering on the vine and rotting on the ground. Each spring and early summer, thousands of undocumented workers, mainly from Florida, travel to Georgia and states further north to work. Charles Hall, executive director of Georgia Fruit and Vegetable Association, said farmers are finding only between 30 percent and 50 percent of the 11,000 farm hands needed to the harvest their crops, producing a labor shortage that will hit the industry with a loss of $250 million.

The shortage clearly puts the lie to the myth held by critics of U.S. farming practices that desperate unemployed U.S. citizens will do farm work if it is available to them. The Georgia Labor Department released a survey showing that unemployment in Irwin County, where blackberries are a major crop, is at 13 percent, yet very few people went to the fields. Of those who did, the overwhelming majority walked away.

Get-Tough Laws Hurt More than Immigrants « Farmworkers Forum

More failed Republican policies.

OK GOP, take a good long look at your "farm workers".

I bet you just Ignore the Millions of Dollars a Year they are saving not Paying for Illegals Health Care, and other Social Services. Let them get some actual Legal Migrant Workers. Why do you insist they Pay Illegals Slave Labor Wages to sustain Farming? DO you really care so Little for the Migrant Workers that you think it is ok they are openly Treated like Slaves. Asked to Work for Wages that are not even legal in this Country? And when ever someone does something about it, You guys Scream were Heartless lol.

There is no substitute for an honest scale, something lost on the pack of Administrators and Bureaucrats.

 

[Charles_Main]

It has nothing to do with will. it's called survival, if you aren't getting a government check you can bet your last dollar they would be more than glad to hit those fields and earn some money. Starvation will make a man do most anything.

Yep, work for starvation wages, cheat, steal, murder, or whatever is necessarily just like they do in 3rd world countries.

$12 per hour in a rural GA community is not starvation wages.

Migrant Farm Workers are not Paid By the hour there Braniac, They are usually paid by the Bushel, and can Make 12 Bucks an Hour, but they have to break their Backs to do so. The Vast majority Of Illegals who work on Farms in this Country, Do it for Wages that are not even legal. The Dirty Little Secret that Libs want to Ignore and allow to keep happening.

 

[Flopper]

cut off thier food stamps and they'll work well enough.

now, maybe you can tell us what NC laws were passed that would discourage legal migrant workers from coming here to work.

The Georgia law, HB 87, which does not take effect until July 1, already has had an effect as farm workers are staying away for fear of racial profiling. Workers caught with phony documents could be fined up to $250,000 and get 15 years in prison — the same sentence for murder in Georgia.

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Workers will stay away from the entire area.

Yes, and Georgia has a solution, use slave labor from the prisons just as they did a 100 years ago.

 

[Flopper]

One issue not raised is the fact that the farmers paid them & thats it. If an American were to do the work, they'd have to make the standard tax-deductions from the checks.

Farmers are required to withhold payroll taxes from migrant workers pay, legal or illegal. Some probably don't and others just pocket the money.

 

[bodecea]

Growers now are scrambling to find enough workers to keep their crops from withering on the vine and rotting on the ground. Each spring and early summer, thousands of undocumented workers, mainly from Florida, travel to Georgia and states further north to work. Charles Hall, executive director of Georgia Fruit and Vegetable Association, said farmers are finding only between 30 percent and 50 percent of the 11,000 farm hands needed to the harvest their crops, producing a labor shortage that will hit the industry with a loss of $250 million.

The shortage clearly puts the lie to the myth held by critics of U.S. farming practices that desperate unemployed U.S. citizens will do farm work if it is available to them. The Georgia Labor Department released a survey showing that unemployment in Irwin County, where blackberries are a major crop, is at 13 percent, yet very few people went to the fields. Of those who did, the overwhelming majority walked away.

Get-Tough Laws Hurt More than Immigrants « Farmworkers Forum

More failed Republican policies.

OK GOP, take a good long look at your "farm workers".

Have you ever seen people praying?

It's time for those farmers to start having children again

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Sunshine]

Recruit in the projects. Look for laid off white collars. You know there are all KINDS of able bodied people looking for work.

 

[Flopper]

One issue not raised is the fact that the farmers paid them & thats it. If an American were to do the work, they'd have to make the standard tax-deductions from the checks.

The farmer does not pay with check he pays with cash how do you think illegals do not have to pay taxes?

It doesn't matter how they pay, cash or check. The farmer is required to withhold taxes and report it to the government. Most legal migrants are able to get a tax refund because of their low income. Illegals rarely file for refunds.

 

[Flopper]

It has nothing to do with will. it's called survival, if you aren't getting a government check you can bet your last dollar they would be more than glad to hit those fields and earn some money. Starvation will make a man do most anything.

Yep, work for starvation wages, cheat, steal, murder, or whatever is necessarily just like they do in 3rd world countries.

$12 per hour in a rural GA community is not starvation wages.

Try living all year year on $12/hr for 3 months of picking.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The only problem is they are not willing to do this work

That is not a problem.

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The only problem is they are not willing to do this work

It has nothing to do with will. it's called survival, if you aren't getting a government check you can bet your last dollar they would be more than glad to hit those fields and earn some money. Starvation will make a man do most anything.

It certainly will, just ask anyone who has ever been through survival training. Hunger is a great motivator.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The only problem is they are not willing to do this work

Why would they be? They have a welfare state to take care of them, brought to us by people like you who believe we should all get something for nothing.

So now the problem is the "welfare state" ? First "illegals" and now this? If we got rid of all welfare and people still didn't want to do these jobs, what would you blame then?

People are willing to do those jobs.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

One issue not raised is the fact that the farmers paid them & thats it. If an American were to do the work, they'd have to make the standard tax-deductions from the checks.

Which will result in more revenue for the states and the federal government. That alone ought to get every person who wants to increase government spending behind getting illegal immigrants out of this country. If only you they were not a bunch of hypocrites.

 

[Charles_Main]

Why would they be? They have a welfare state to take care of them, brought to us by people like you who believe we should all get something for nothing.

So now the problem is the "welfare state" ? First "illegals" and now this? If we got rid of all welfare and people still didn't want to do these jobs, what would you blame then?

People are willing to do those jobs.

It used to be that Young People, looking to Buy their First car, or Pay for College would do these jobs in the summer. I know I worked on farms as a teenager every Summer. Worked out well because It's Temporary and when school is out.

No Kids are to Lazy to do it. They want to sit on their asses while mommy and daddy pay for everything, and expect to be making the Big Bucks the second their out of school. The Gimme Generation.

 

[Charles_Main]

One issue not raised is the fact that the farmers paid them & thats it. If an American were to do the work, they'd have to make the standard tax-deductions from the checks.

Which will result in more revenue for the states and the federal government. That alone ought to get every person who wants to increase government spending behind getting illegal immigrants out of this country. If only you they were not a bunch of hypocrites.

The Truth of the situation is it is all the labor laws that have caused Farms to turn to Illegal Labor. Workers Compensation Laws, 10% Unemployment Insurance, Half their SS Taxes. It goes on and on and on.

The sad truth is these farms could not pay Legal Americans, and Comply with all the laws, and still be able to Provide their Goods at an affordable, Competitive Price. The Work the do is the tedious, Back breaking harvesting that we have not come up with ways to do with machines yet. If Democrats Applied their Unions Ideals to this Industry and Americans Did the Jobs in a Union. Hand Harvest Fruits and Veggies would cost More than Kobe Beef per Pound. lol

 

[Annie]

So now the problem is the "welfare state" ? First "illegals" and now this? If we got rid of all welfare and people still didn't want to do these jobs, what would you blame then?

People are willing to do those jobs.

It used to be that Young People, looking to Buy their First car, or Pay for College would do these jobs in the summer. I know I worked on farms as a teenager every Summer. Worked out well because It's Temporary and when school is out.

No Kids are to Lazy to do it. They want to sit on their asses while mommy and daddy pay for everything, and expect to be making the Big Bucks the second their out of school. The Gimme Generation.

I hate to be the one to say it, but the kids aren't too lazy, their parents are too dim. Truth is that in the past the parents told the kids to get a job, any job to help in times of trouble. Lots of families are in trouble and unemployment amongst teens is the highest of all. Still their parents are seemingly more ready to go to the government for food than have the kids pull together for the family.

Wouldn't happen in my family.