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But doesn't that same Holy Roman Catholic Church consider the unbaptised condemned, under the concept of "Original Sin?" How can they then be both innocent and "unsaved" - guilty of mortal sin at the same time?
Nice deflection but I don't believe I mentioned religion.
You do not believe that a human life inside a mother is innocent? What crime have they committed?
Title of thread: Conservatives Imposing Religious Views Without That Right!
Actually, what I believe is "moot" since the law states that abortion is legal under certain circumstances.
However, if you will take a moment to read the first part of my signature, my position is likely clear.
In all parts of the world, the practice of abortion terminates a pregnancy, usuall unwanted for one or more reasons.
Even in Genesis, of the Holy Bible, People of the Book, the first great commandment of Moses is to have dominion over every living thing on the earth.
With respect to the things that are fetus-described, there is worldwide agreement that regulated termination of pregnancy if often warranted.
It is even so in the United States.
In the Luke 20 passages, of the Opening Post, it is even shown that Jesus, called The Christ, can be said to have taken a compassionate perspective on the phenomenon--of various ways to terminate a pregnancy.
The matter of compassion can even be taken to a worldwide consensus, just following the angelic outcomes in the referenced passage.
The United States federal government likes to think that it, too, is compassionate. The President even went so far as to pardon a turkey, at Thanksgiving, for example!
"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(How much more compassionate can a civilization ever get?)
Only in some perverse belief system is some unwanted guest, like a bum, sponging off a host, in this case the mother: Considered some nature of innocent human life.
Actually, people often call the police when that happens.
The critter at issue draws from the host and grows. No one can ascribe it guilt or innocence, except in perversity. No one suggests that a tiny, premature birth, prior to the appointed time of conception is somehow guilty of not going to the term. Only someone perverse can so-state. No one suggests that a tiny, premature birth, prior to the appointed time of conception is innocent in the matter of not going to the term. Only someone perverse can so-state.
For one or another reasons, in the case of an abortion, the symbiotic relationship gets ended, and at the direction of the host or others attending the host.
The creature itself has done nothing right, and nothing wrong. It is not involved in the decision. It has no say in the decision. The concept of the host-guest simbiosis itself is special, and civilizations take care and regulate the termination, and the birth itself.
Noted even in this thread, some theology regards everything before, during, and after the pregnancy: To be original sin, and not to be tolerated.
There are pervese beliefs that ascribe guilt or innocence: To the unborn. The U. S. federal statutes are separate from those kinds of clearly perverse beliefs.
"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Great Entrepreneurial Spirit, of Reagan Trajectory: Itself is based upon twenty thirst-crazed, jackass mules, pulling laundry salt across the desert!)
That has to be the dumbest fucking post I have ever seen.
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That has to be the dumbest fucking post I have ever seen.
Oh the irony.. On the one hand you have people that are against abortion of any kind and yet also support capital punishment.. Murder is murder be it young or old..
So lets look at this in another way?? What if mom has a medical condition that requires her to have an abortion?? Say?? Like Preclampsia.. If the child isn't removed, viable or not, the mom will die and hence so will baby?? So what do you do?? One murder or two??
See that is the problem when it comes to abortion.. While over all I think it should be avoided at all cost in the form of birth control or other contraception.. The fact remains that there are times when it is required or both mother and baby will die..
As for this being a biblical issue?? Of course it is.. Only Christians see this in such a black and white issue.. Abortion is murder so it is wrong.. So is capital punishment.. Killing a criminal serves no purpose..
Another issue to consider in the case of abortion.. And if some of you would do a little research you would know this.. Banning abortion will serve no purpose.. Women will find a way to get them anyways.. Be it a wire coat hanger or a dirty doctor in a garage.. Hence the problems of the early 70's when tens of thousands of women and unborn babies were dying annually.. Roe V. Wade was a means to an end.. It wasn't an answer.. And neither is banning abortion.. But try to get a christians to look beyond their noses and see something other than 'Thou shall not kill.'
Humanity already spoke on the issue and gave us Roe V. Wade.. Christians need to accept that and move on..
And China pays for it.. (I just put that there cause I have no idea what it means..)
That has to be the dumbest fucking post I have ever seen.
And so the selective conscientious objection to reading comprehension continues!
Since medical science can already bring a pregnancy to term outside the womb, then any abortion that brings that about will be opposed(?)!
"Innocence" itself is the taking of life support from another, in the absence of consent!
Billions have other names for that, far too numerous to list!
"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!
(Some people just don't think things through!)
And so anyone sees that Zoom boing poster can only plead and pray that the creature draining life from the mother, especially if it is against her will, is in some manner human. All humanity is apparently regarded by Zoom boing poster to be entitled like that.
Since a sense of symbiosis is required to even commence a discussion of a pregnancy, then the mother and any attending also have a say in whether or not the creature draining life from the mother is human.
It is noted throughout history that usually mother draws a sense of life back.
AND??? An unborn child contains different dna because it is separate from the mother. Wanna check that dna? 100 bucks says it human.An appendix contains DNA, and so forth. Nose parts even contain human chemistry, just like hair.
Haircuts even, are not murder of innoncent human life, even worldwide.
The Zoom boing anti-abortion contention is perverse on its face. Federal funding of abortion should be allowed in the legislation, to avoid more make-work for lawyers.
The Zoom boing position cannot allow of any medical procedure, for anyone.
Zoom boing poster can even agree that a strand of hair has no say in the matter.
Everything after that is perverse, and a clear perversion.
And so the selective conscientious objection to reading comprehension continues!
Since medical science can already bring a pregnancy to term outside the womb, then any abortion that brings that about will be opposed(?)!
"Innocence" itself is the taking of life support from another, in the absence of consent!
Billions have other names for that, far too numerous to list!
"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!
(Some people just don't think things through!)
Reading comprehension is somewhat dependent on the author following a thought through in a logical order. Jumping around with random thoughts is not helpful either. Why don't you go start that list anyway. Stop back when you hit the first billion.
I know he's trying to say something, what it is I have no idea.That has to be the dumbest fucking post I have ever seen.
You're doing better than me. I have no idea what the hell he's talking about.
"Innocence" itself is the taking of life support from another, in the absence of consent!
I know he's trying to say something, what it is I have no idea.That has to be the dumbest fucking post I have ever seen.
You're doing better than me. I have no idea what the hell he's talking about.
Oh the irony.. On the one hand you have people that are against abortion of any kind and yet also support capital punishment.. Murder is murder be it young or old..
So lets look at this in another way?? What if mom has a medical condition that requires her to have an abortion?? Say?? Like Preclampsia.. If the child isn't removed, viable or not, the mom will die and hence so will baby?? So what do you do?? One murder or two??
See that is the problem when it comes to abortion.. While over all I think it should be avoided at all cost in the form of birth control or other contraception.. The fact remains that there are times when it is required or both mother and baby will die..
As for this being a biblical issue?? Of course it is.. Only Christians see this in such a black and white issue.. Abortion is murder so it is wrong.. So is capital punishment.. Killing a criminal serves no purpose..
Another issue to consider in the case of abortion.. And if some of you would do a little research you would know this.. Banning abortion will serve no purpose.. Women will find a way to get them anyways.. Be it a wire coat hanger or a dirty doctor in a garage.. Hence the problems of the early 70's when tens of thousands of women and unborn babies were dying annually.. Roe V. Wade was a means to an end.. It wasn't an answer.. And neither is banning abortion.. But try to get a christians to look beyond their noses and see something other than 'Thou shall not kill.'
Humanity already spoke on the issue and gave us Roe V. Wade.. Christians need to accept that and move on..
And China pays for it.. (I just put that there cause I have no idea what it means..)
Oh goody someone drags this shit out again well, here we go.. I say it very slowly. capital punishment vs abortion. -------------on the one hand someone dies because they have murdered someone or a lot of someone elses in a horrible way,,, in abortion 40 million little someones have been murdered mostly because someone had a few too many and accicdently got knocked up, another percentage had medical reason.. the main point though is CP punishes a murderer,, abortion punishes an innocent little baby. so that arguement is just bullshit.
Have all the abortions you want just don't expect other people to pay for it, get on birth control, get the pill buy some condoms, keep your knees locked,, there are ways to not become pregnant and therefore not be "forced to murder a tiny innocent life.
